Does the Bible say homosexuals will go to hell?

by Kam
(USA)

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No, the Bible NEVER says all homosexuals will go to hell. That is a myth based primarily on the NIV mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 plus the modern Christian mis-interpretation of Revelation 22:15.

Those are the most often used verses to teach that homosexuals will go to hell. Fortunately for saved homosexuals and unfortunately for those who use those verses against us, the verses do not teach or imply that homosexuals will go to hell.

Every homosexual - gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people - will go to heaven IF they trust Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin and hell and the wrath of God.

I Cor 6:9 and Rev 22:15 describe pagan worshipers of the fertility goddess, not born again gay men or lesbian women or bisexuals or transsexuals.

Teaching that homosexuals will go to hell based on 1 Corinthians 6:9 occurs because many Christians misunderstand the Greek word, arsenokoitai.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoitai)," 1 Cor 6:9, KJV

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (arsenokoitai)" 1 Cor 6:9, NIV

Because the NIV did such a lousy job and mistranslated the Greek word, arsenokoitai, many people concluded that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.

If the NIV translators had bothered to study instead of just going by what the Greek lexicons say, the gay community could have avoided a lot of pain and heartache.

Arsenokoitai has never been a reference to a lesbian couple or a gay male couple. Instead, in the first century, arsenokoitai referred to shrine prostitution or rape or having sex with angels. That is the behavior Paul described when he used the Greek word, arsenokoitai.
"Outside (of the holy city) are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." Revelation 22:15, NIV

"Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deu 23:18, KJV

"You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute into the house of the Lord your God to pay any vow, because the Lord your God detests them both." Deu 23:18, NIV

The word "dog" describes one class of sinner who will not be in the New Jerusalem in heaven. Some Christians interpret Rev 22:15 to mean that all homosexuals are dogs and will not be in heaven. Of course, they are dead wrong and I'll be happy to tell them so IF THEY make it to heaven.

The Greek word for dogs is, kyon, sometimes meaning a dog or sometimes used metaphorically as in Revelation 22:15, as a reference to shrine prostitutes, Deu 23:18.

The word "dog" was used as an epithet to describe cult prostitutes, shrine prostitute, pagan temple prostitutes, who used sex to serve the fertility goddesses of ancient Canaan. Even one of the most anti-gay Christians, Dr. Robert Gagnon, identifies the Greek word kyon as a reference to shrine prostitutes.
“The harsh descriptions of the qedesim in 1-2 Kings (1 Kgs 14:24: “even qades were in the land”) and Job 36:14, along with the epithet of “dog” in Deut 23:18, suggests a degree of revulsion more suited to same-sex male cult prostitution.” Robert Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 104

"The existence of male (same sex) cult prostitutes was well known to Jews of the period (the first century AD), as Philo's comments testify ...Thus the most likely explanation is that the term "dogs" in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 105

NOTE: The underlined portion is Dr. Gagnon inserting his opinion as if the Bible supports his opinion, which it does not.

“That means Josiah’s action against the qedesim in the temple precincts was likely taken as a direct result of laws in Deut 23:17-18 regarding the qedesim or “dogs.” Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 106

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Does God forgive homosexuals if they
repent but continue to be gay?

Oh yes! God saves us from our sins, not from our sexual orientation. When anyone trusts Jesus Christ alone through faith alone (without works) for salvation, they are forgiven ALL their sins, past, present and future.

The slate is wiped clean so its as it they had never sinned and never would sin. Jesus' death on the Cross and God's forgiveness based on Jesus' payment for our sins covers EVERY sin of those who trust Jesus for salvation.

There is nothing in the Bible which indicates that God changes anyone's sexual orientation when He saves and forgives them. The Bible never records that God or an apostle healed anyone of being gay or lesbian.

The belief that gays and lesbians must change their sexual orientation when they get saved is a personal belief of many Christians, based on nothing but their own opinion instead of on anything the Bible actually says.

Also, their opinion that homosexuals go to hell is partially based on the NIV's mis-translation of 1 Cor 6:9.

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Jun 05, 2010
 Fascinating
by: Me

I am currently an eighteen year old struggling with my sexuality (I am pretty sure that I am a homosexual), but for most of my life, I have been a Catholic. Because of my sexual orientation and my religion, I have always felt conflicted and confused.

Thank you for posting this page. :)

I am pretty sure that I will also leave the Catholic Church because I do not believe that salvation can be obtained by both faith and good works since the Bible says that salvation is obtained through faith alone. Do you believe that this can be another possible point in favor of homosexuals going to Heaven as long as they believe in God? Or have I stretched it too far?
Jun 05, 2010
 By grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone
by: Rick Brentlinger

"...the Bible says that salvation is obtained through faith alone. Do you believe that this can be another possible point in favor of homosexuals going to Heaven as long as they believe in God?"

You are absolutely right! Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered and Heterosexuals - all get saved and go to heaven the same way - by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Christ alone, with no works involved, no infused grace ala Roman Catholicism or any other church - salvation is only by grace through faith.

The book of Galatians makes this argument in succinct and pithy language. Its only six short chapters and is well worth reading. Try reading all six chapters of Galatians aloud every day for a week.

It will get into your heart and mind and you'll start to understand it in ways you didn't before.
Dec 21, 2010
 God and hell, I hardly think so!
by: Anonymous

I'm a practicing Catholic, and I don't believe being gay is any more of a sin then using an expired coupon. Not a sin at all! My boyfriend is also a practicing Catholic. If either of us wasn't Catholic, our relationship just wouldn't work. Our values are the same. We both believe in God and Jesus, charity, love, a strong faith, family, community, etc. Will we go to hell when we die, I hardly think so. We are part of God's children, desigined and made by our heavenly father. Our intent has never been ill will, only our belief to live a decent loving good life together as part of a civil human race. We've never asked for opinions on our life style, why should we, we've never judged yours. Go live your life and be a good soul.
Dec 21, 2010
 Trusting Jesus by faith alone is the key
by: Rick Brentlinger

Please don't make the mistake many people make - trusting their church or their pastor or their priest or their sacraments or their religious affiliation when they should be trusting by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered and Heterosexuals - EVERYONE gets saved and goes to heaven the same way - by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

* There are no works involved in salvation.
* There is no infused grace involved, ala Roman Catholicism or any other church.
* Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

On that basis, do you know for sure you are saved?
Dec 24, 2010
 I don't get it.
by: Anonymous

I don't understand the above comment by Rick. What are you saying Rick?
Dec 24, 2010
 Getting saved is really pretty simple
by: Rick Brentlinger

Some religious people trust their church membership to guarantee their salvation instead of trusting Jesus. I've met Catholics who are trusting the Catholic church to get them to heaven and I've met Baptists who are trusting the Baptist church to get them to heaven INSTEAD OF trusting Jesus by grace alone through faith alone.

Here are some pages which explain how to get saved. The key point is that no one gets saved by being Baptist or Catholic or any other denomination. Salvation isn't about religious affiliation and rituals, isn't about church membership, isn't about doing good works. Salvation is the free gift of God apart from works.

Can you illustrate how
to believe in Jesus?

What does it mean
to believe in Jesus?

I'm a gay Christian and
I have some questions.

Would you like to know
how to be saved today?
Feb 04, 2011
 Lev.
by: A friend of Dorothy

I always find it amazing when folks talk about homosexuals. They reach deep in their pockets and dust off their halo and become the most saintly being on earth since Christ himself. Have you noticed it? Drunkards, cheaters, liars, adulterers-everyone's a Christian when the subject of homosexuality comes up and there is a gay to bash!

What is most appalling is the ignorance with which they bash others and proclaim they are the true Christian. They pick and choose the scripture they want to follow. Homosexuality is always the favorite target. Yet they fail to examine the beam in their own eye. Deep down they know they fall into many of the categories mentioned above. Yet they judge and it clearly states in the Bible we are not to do it.

But they are fine with committing that sin and others. And before anyone quotes scripture in Leviticus, I wish they would read the whole book. Really, read it. Which ones are you violating and have no intentions of ever following? Maybe you are intending to stone your neighbors for the broken laws found therein?for many you are supposed to!

Many ?Christians? who study the Bible know this is true but never correct those who are young in the faith who use it as a weapon against homosexuals. Is that not misleading the little ones? Here are some of the laws that are mentioned in Leviticus.

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19). Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19). Don't cut your hair nor shave (Leviticus 19:27). Any one who curses his mother or father, must be killed (Leviticus 20:9). If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die (Leviticus 20:10). If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18). Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community (Leviticus 24:14-16). There are many, many more.
Feb 04, 2011
 Part 2
by: friend of Dorothy

Con't from previous:

And don't get me started on what you eat that God, in Leviticus, commands you not to. I know many will refer to the Gospel of Matthew 27:51 and Mark 15:38, then speak of the veil separating the holy of holies from the outer court being torn in two when Jesus died on the cross.

But decide once and for all which is it going to be for crying out loud. When you pick and choose what you like to follow in Leviticus then judge and condemn others for not following just one verse, your words become meaningless. Judge your own heart.

If truth is important to you, study the history. Seek the truth only-not what I say or others but the truth?and to do that you have to study it all! I even encourage you to study the original texts?then think again how language and word meanings have evolved. Plus context is important!

A parting thought: Read the Sermon on the Mount and judge yourself first.
Feb 19, 2011
 Thank you
by: PJ

Rick, this site is one more proof that having been born gay is a gift. I don't know that had I not struggled to the point of suicidal depression in my youth that I would've heard the call of Christ as loudly nor as clearly when I finally did accept him on October 17, 1977.

Furthermore, I wonder if you, too have noted that there is a hidden gift in being told over and over again that you are outside the grace of God simply because of your sexual orientation--the gift being that I have a continual reminder of how precious that grace is.

So many people, many non-gay Christians especially, think that gays are simply maladapted heterosexuals who have opted to "perform gay sex acts." Odd too, that if gayness were truly a "perversion," there would be more lesbian and gay people sometimes and fewer others...but, like left-handedness, it seems a consistent characteristic of God's creation of humanity over the centuries.

I was "headed to hell" based on the fact I was born a human being. God's forgiveness at the cross in Christ did not come with conditions, special clauses, or exceptions, yet so many non-gay Christians send the message that gays have a special "marker" that sets off the "hell detector" at the cross in a unique way. And even beyond, gays are branded as "anti-God" or "hell-bound" simply by coming out.

It has been over 30 years since I accepted Christ and despite the wave of "ex-Gayness" that I went through, years of praying and thinking I had lost my salvation or never had it in the first place, I emerge having grown through the "lavender desert experiences" that so many of us endure, totally accepted in Him and still as gay as I ever was.

Interestingly, too, my life continued to improve in every way imaginable. I would not have lasted another year or two had I not asked Christ into my heart in '77. But, yes, I'm still gay as I ever was.

So, thank you for your ministry. Thank you for so many people who will see the acceptance that is there for them in your messages. And thank you for giving me a reason to bookmark your site and visit often.
Feb 21, 2011
 Why me?
by: Anonymous

If I am a lesbian but do not have relations with another woman, am I still a sinner? I didn't ask to be attracted to the same sex nor did I choose to be. Knowing that, what did I do wrong that has left me fighting with the devil my whole life? Why me? Why not you or some one else?

Why make me like this if it so bad?
Feb 21, 2011
 God loves and saves lesbians
by: Rick Brentlinger

Everyone on earth is born with a sin nature which we inherited from Adam, Romans 5:12.

All of us need to trust Jesus Christ as the only way to be saved, John 14:6.

Here are two helpful Links to information about Lesbians and the Bible.

Are lesbians treated the same as gays in the Bible?

Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians?
Mar 06, 2011
 Please stop ignoring context
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dear Anonymous-

Please stop ignoring context. I've dealt extensively with the meaning of Leviticus 20:13. The context is Molech worship, Leviticus 18:3, 21; 20:2, 3, 4, 5, not a committed gay or lesbian relationship.

It is wrong to attempt to force GLBT Christians into blind subservience to the Law while the Bible tells us we are not under the Law, Romans 6:14. If we try to live under the Law, the Bible tells us we must keep ALL of it, Galatians 3:10.

I encourage you to keep studying instead of assuming your opinion is more important than what the Bible says in context.
Mar 15, 2011
 Leviticus 20:13
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Mar 15, 2011
 Another christian gutless wonder
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow, can't you "anonymously gutless wonders" read plain English? I'll bet you couldn't find the real context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 with a crowbar, a flashlight and a blow torch, if your lives depended on it.

On the off-chance you still have more than two functioning brain cells, please do yourself a big favor and read this page: Lev 18:22 & 20:13.

I'm not really blaming you. If I was as blissfully ignorant as you, I wouldn't associate my name with my Comments either.
Mar 24, 2011
 where?
by: Anonymous

I'm just curious! where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is right and not a sin?
Mar 24, 2011
 You're asking the wrong question
by: Rick Brentlinger

Where does the Bible say its okay for heterosexual couples to get married in a church building with a denominationally affiliated pastor officiating?

Where does the Bible say its okay for two heterosexuals who cannot have children to get married?

Where does the Bible say its okay for heterosexuals to get married, divorced, remarried, divorced and remarried again?

What you're really doing is trying to play gotcha. You think if the Bible doesn't say it in the words you think the Bible ought to use, then it can't possibly be right.

Yet you refuse to apply that goofy reasoning to anything you do in your own life. For example, you drive a car and use air conditioning.

Where does the Bible say its okay to drive a car?

Where does the Bible say its okay to use air conditioning?
Mar 24, 2011
 huh?
by: Anonymous

First of all.. I was ASKING!... I was not trying to be smart with my question!... like I said.. I was just curious!.. i dont know what the whole bible says thats why I asked..

second of all... I think for you to be "Christian" its really sad how you try to make what you believe "right" in a really offensive way.. I was just asking questions and you were just assuming things and just talking to me with hate in your heart and I see you are like that with everyone... no fruits of a Christian... dont you know that love words will soften the heart of a person!??? the bible teaches that....speak with love

and for last but no least how can you compare driving a car with a/c with nature!??? I believe we were created the way we were for a reason... Ive read the bible and to me it does say homosexuality isnt a good thing.. you say we change the meaning of the bible to suit what we believe and I think you all do the same... this is all about faith! at the end we will know who was wrong and who was right!.. I just dont see a God loving something so wrong ... if it is wrong to human eyes! imagine how wrong it is to God's eyes...
Mar 24, 2011
 No, you weren't just "asking"
by: Rick Brentlinger

You claim to be asking an innocent question yet you then admit your true position, that you HAVE read the Bible and you believe we're wrong.

Sorry, I'm not buying your accusation that I have hate in my heart and that you were only asking an innocent question.
Apr 02, 2011
 confused
by: Anonymous

I'm confused... when I was younger I thought I'm a girl, and I got frustrated with my discovery. As I was growing up, I dream of becoming a woman, even though I am a born a man. When I was younger, I also get attracted with girls...but when I hit puberty I am exclusively attracted to boys, and being raised by Christian parents I was disturbed and worried with their reaction. I'm so much at peace whenever I imagine that I'm a real girl (transgender)... than simply being a man having an attraction to another men (gay)
Apr 02, 2011
 God loves you dearly and has answers for you
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dear Confused:

Always remember that God dearly loves you! I encourage you to read:

If you're a gay Christian
does God still love you?


Here is a quick way to make sure you are saved.

Then I encourage you to read these pages which help to explain a bit about transgender issues and the Bible.

Transgender Issues

What about Transvestism?
May 01, 2011
 Version of the Bible
by: Angela

What version of the Bible do you use? I have seen quotes from KJV, but I was wondering if you use that exclusively. Also, how do you explain why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Thank you.
May 01, 2011
 We mostly use the KJV because of it's accuracy
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Angela-

We mostly use the old King James Version because it is the most accurate and the most gay-friendly English translation of the Bible. Yet on our page about malakoi in 1 Cor 6:9, I use more than 40 translations.

The reason for the destruction of Sodom is wickedness but never does the Bible say that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.

Here are some helpful pages about that. You will note that even anti-gay evangelicals admit that the issue in Sodom was not homosexuality.

The truth about Sodom

The real sin of Sodom

The Babylonian Talmud on Sodom
May 02, 2011
 Creation and Homosexual Marriage
by: Angela

Thank you for the previous information. I do have a couple more questions. If it was in God's perfect will for man to lay with man and woman to lay with woman, then why did God create one man and one woman rather than two of the same sex?

Also, are there any references to homosexual marriage in the Bible? From what I know about the Bible, any time that marriage is being referenced, the relationship consists of a man and a woman. I am not trying to pass judgement - I am just trying to become more educated on homosexual viewpoints. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
May 03, 2011
 The Bible is a gay-friendly book
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Angela-

The first reason for the Creation story in Genesis 1-2 is to tell us what happened when God created the heavens and the earth. The second reason is that God wanted to tell us the origin of the human race, which required Adam and Eve, a male and a female.

We are now six thousand years removed from Adam and Eve. We have more than seven billion people on earth. The human race is in no danger of dying out so the command to be fruitful and multiply is not as urgent as it was when there were only two people on earth.

It was not necessary for God to include every eventual possibility in human relationships as He told the Creation story. For example, polygamy is not mentioned in Genesis 1 or 2 but God definitely blessed polygamists later on. And celibacy is not mentioned in Genesis 1 and 2 yet celibacy is commended in 1 Cor 7:1-9, for those who have that gift.

I believe there are some references to homosexual marriages in the Bible. Here are some Links about that.

1. Is there any evidence of an actual gay marriage in the Bible?

2. Is gay marriage scriptural?

3. Gay marriages can't produce children so case closed, right?

4. Does be fruitful and multiply cancel gay marriage?

5. Are there any gay couples in the Bible?

Many thanks for your interesting questions.
May 03, 2011
 Biblical homosexual relationships???
by: Angela

Thank you, Rick. I do intend to continue fervently in my studies of the Bible.

I do want to mention that I have studied more on your examples of Biblical homosexual relationships. I believe that in each of your examples, the two people would be better described as best friends. And to classify those friendships as homosexual would be quite a stretch. It is very possible to have an intimate relationship with a person of the same sex without being interested in a sexual relationship. I have lady friends that I would count as sisters because of the closeness that I share with them. While I respect your opinion, I just cannot conclude that you are correct in calling those relationships homosexual.

Thank you once again for all of the information that you have provided on this topic. I have thoroughly enjoyed studying and learing from God's Word.
May 04, 2011
 Why forgive everyone but gays?
by: RILEY K

YOU CAN NOT say that GOD is a forgiving god if you believe that gays go to hell. If you are educated AT ALL with the HOLY BIBLE you will know the story of Jesus and The Stoning of The Prostitute.

Being a prostitute was one of THE WORST sins they could think of back then. It was so bad that they would STONE a woman to DEATH for it. But no, no, JESUS stood up FOR THE SINNER, Jesus stood up for the woman shrouded in sin and said: "Let the one without sin throw the first stone," saying that NO ONE is without sin!

Yet he stood up for her still! He loves us no matter what. "For God loved the world so much he gave his one and only son to die for us, so that whosoever believes in him will not parish, but have eternal life." Everyone has sin but he will save us if we ask for forgiveness and believe he is the Messiah!

And yes I'm gay and i am very sorry and have asked for forgiveness of my homosexuality but God doesn't want people to be someone they're not. That is an even bigger sin, denying God. God bless everyone who reads this. trust Jesus and you will NOT perish, but have eternal life.
May 09, 2011
 Romans 1:26-27
by: Pastor Ray

You can't take certain Scripture in the Bible and then change the meaning because they don't fit with your lifestyle you want to live and in this case homosexuality. The Word of God clearly speaks against this sin (and He calls it just that - A SIN).

It's okay to preach as a homosexual but to preach as if the act of being gay is pleasing to God is a lie right from the devil's mouth. And we all know how good he is at changing God's Word. In Romans the Lord say's that those who commit such things are worthy of death.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall LIVE AND NOT DIE!

God hates all sin big and small and homosexuality and it's actions are a sin against God and no sin is allowed in Heaven. Those who die in sin suffer the pains of hell.
May 09, 2011
 Stop acting like a stereotypical christian
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow Pastor Ray, why must you ignore the truth as it is in Jesus and share your mistaken opinion? Couldn't you at least take the time to read what we believe before condemning us? If you're interested, we're offering this Free pdf Bible Study on Hell this month.

You may not know it but when you keep asserting your opinion as truth instead of the pure word of God, THAT is what pushes gay people away from you. If you want to win souls try opening your heart a bit more and putting the emphasis on Jesus and what the Bible says in context.

It is clear from your Comment that you don't know the questions, let alone have the answers.

I hope that somewhere deep in your heart, there is enough honour and integrity to keep pursuing truth even when truth conflicts with your long-cherished opinion.
May 15, 2011
 God has an issue with homosexuals
by: Anonymous

Clearly if God sets a law that says you will be put to death for homosexual acts (leviticus 20:13) then its a sin and the wages of sin is death. Lets see what you say when God throws you into hell. He will not excuse your sinful lifestyle just because you lead people to Christ. If i'm not mistaken..wasn't sodom and gomorrah destroyed for their fornication and homosexual acts?..selah on that
May 15, 2011
 Ignorance is not a fruit of the Spirit
by: Rick Brentlinger

What Bible are you reading that says "you will be put to death and thrown into hell for homosexual acts?" You cite Lev 20:13 but that verse doesn't say homosexual acts.

Why do you refuse to read the Bible in context? Even John MacArthur and Dr. Robert Gagnon admit the context is shrine prostitution.

As a washed in the blood of the Lamb, born again Christian eternally secure in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ because I am justified by faith, Jesus already suffered hell in my place.

As many Christians more honest than you admit, the Sodom story is not about homosexuality.
May 19, 2011
 a true Christian
by: Anonymous

People that are true Christians know that God's word is in the Bible. People who want to continue a lifestyle that is not of God's will can do so but they cannot change what God's word is and what is written so therefore continue whatever lifestyle who wish to but do not think that you will enter Gods kingdom because you are fooling yourself
May 29, 2011
 wrong
by: Anonymous

YES THEY WILL!!!! you are totally wrong about this. 1 Corinthians 6:9, buddy. 1 corinthians 6:9.
Jun 15, 2011
 please answer me!!!!
by: Anonymous

Okay, I'm in need of help! I'm googling verses and searching pages. Just tonight my father, who is a big child of GOD, said that he had a vision that I'm going to die in a car accident because of my homosexuality and that he was relieved by that because I'm in hell.

I'm still crying and I really just need answers. Whether you believe in homosexuality or not. This is eating me up!! I have a good relationship with God but of this I'm uncertain. Please just help me
Jun 15, 2011
 You can know FOR SURE you're going to heaven
by: Rick Brentlinger

I think it's great that your Dad loves you and wants you to get saved. But he ought to sit down with you and in a loving way, show you in the Bible how to trust Jesus Christ. I have no way of knowing if you're saved or not but you can settle that right now.

The only way for any of us not to go to hell is to get saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. If you're trusting religion or being a good person or church membership instead of trusting Jesus, then you're not saved and you need to get saved.

Here's how to make sure right now that you are saved.

I'm praying for you. If you have more questions, please contact us.

God wants you to have the peace in your heart that comes from knowing you are saved. Praying for you, Pastor Rick.
Aug 11, 2011
 Interested in someone who seeks salvation
by: Anonymous

I'm glad I stumbled upon a page that didn't require an account. A short story first:

I met someone online several weeks ago, we have shared quite the connection and then he decided he could not date for fear of damnation because of a homosexual relationship. We stopped talking for a bit, and then recently started talking again because of my persistence.

We have formed a much closer connection than ever before, and along with a few issues such as not being out, having transportation, and a heavily religious family, he still has the same view. He realizes he is not going to hell for being gay, but although even after acknowledging feelings and making it very apparent that he wants something, he will not fully tolerate the idea. Committing the actual act and living the lifestyle is what he fears will condemn him.

My problem is that seeing the mutual connection, knowing the potential pain for him in the long run of relying on God's will to change his orientation and lead him in what he believes is the right direction, I cannot convince him otherwise.

He is more devout than anyone I have ever met, and his faith is far stronger than anyone I've ever met. He is willing to live a life of celibacy in order to be saved. I would never try to turn him away from his faith, and I cannot honestly say that I share the same faith, but I cannot honestly see how someone as faithful and as innocent as he is could ever be damned for making the decision to love someone of the same sex.

I've had many discussions with him over the past few weeks and it usually leads to his position that God created two worlds and gave us choice. (Or something along those lines.) Obviously I'm not entirely familiar. He believes that homosexuality is a genetic defect, which I do as well, and that we are merely victims to an imperfect system corrupted by sin.

He believes that the heart changes and that sin corrupts our hearts and that we can't always trust our hearts but must solely rely on the word of God as the bible states.

I can't say that I've honestly ever had very strong faith, but I can usually point out miracles in my life and prove thankful because the odds seem insurmountable. Even with my lack of faith, and in accordance to the belief of many people close to me as well as around the world, I truly do not believe that being in a committed faithful relationship with someone of the same sex can condemn you.

But I was just hoping for a little guidance on how to make him see the light as I see it, or at least take the chance.
Aug 26, 2011
 Jesus saved a homosexual
by: Trevor

God saved me 3 years ago. I was a practicing homosexual but He showed me that I was a sinner in need of salvation and He showed me that He'd provided for my salvation by sending His Son Jesus to die on the cross. Jesus took the full punishment for my sin that I could never have paid myself.

I repented of my sinful life and turned to Christ asking Him to save me. Since then I've not been made heterosexual.

I've learned through experience and reading God's Word that I'm to resist the lusts of my fallen flesh. As long as we're in this world we still have our fallen sin nature and it's this that satan uses to tempt us into sin again.

If and when we DO fall back into sin God has promised in His Word in 1 John 1:9 'If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.'

Thank you Lord Jesus for Your precious blood, shed for a worthless sinner like me. Glory to God!
Aug 28, 2011
 Something to think about
by: Anonymous

I'm here to defend gay Christian beliefs. I've been forcing myself everyday for the past 4 years to believe I'm straight. I hated myself so much because my family is very Christian and so are my friends and they all wanted me to be straight but that's not my choice.

I tried EXTREMELY hard. I could not force myself to be what I naturally am not. Its the way I was born. I believe chemical imbalances in the brain may cause homosexual attraction. Its not a choice.

Sin is sin is sin. God sees EVERY sin to be the same... Being gay is no worse than any sin any of you have committed. We all know as christian believers that we sin on a daily basis. It's just human nature to be imperfect which is exactly why Jesus died on the cross for us. He saved us from our daily sins.

God wants us to enjoy life I'm sure, otherwise we would not be here. But if homosexuals can't enjoy life because all of you are arguing its a terrible sin, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Sep 15, 2011
 Watch the Sodom video
by: Anonymous

Watch the Sodom video.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed.

The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, both young and old, surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'"

The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urged Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath of God. Lot and his family fled the city and "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities."
Sep 15, 2011
 @ Interested in someone who seeks salvation
by: Rick Brentlinger

Sorry for the delay in answering. I had just returned home from a trip to San Francisco when your Comment of August 11, 2011 posted and am just now getting caught up.

Thank you for sharing your story with us. I'll try to be helpful. It is so wonderful when two people discover mutual attraction and the beginnings of a love that may last forever. I can understand why you are excited and anxious at the same time. Here's what I recommend.

1. Make sure you are saved and make sure that your friend is saved. Nothing is more important than that.

2. Use a resource like this website to teach yourself and your friend what the Bible says and does not say about being gay and Christian. Its important for both of you to understand that.

3. I don't know your ages but if each of you is still a minor living at home, your responsibility is to complete your education and learn to walk with the Lord day by day.

4. Take your concerns to God in prayer each day. Only God can work out the circumstances and both of you are responsible for learning to pray and trust God with your needs.

I'm praying that God will give both of you wisdom and discernment as you seek His will and walk the path of His purpose for your lives.

Please do keep in touch and let me know how things are going.
Sep 19, 2011
 gay sick people
by: Anonymous

all gay people should burn in hell, especially the dirty no good piece of garbage lesbians out there. it makes me wonder why god created such filth.
Sep 23, 2011
 FACTS
by: Anonymous

I agree with ROB although I am not one to judge. The Bible does state clearly that homosexuality is an abomination amongst various other scriptures that state that it is wrong. I don't get how homosexuals try to misinterpret and twist the word of God around to benefit themselves.

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions" -2 Timothy 4:3

People only hear what they want to hear but the Bible states that ALL will confess that Jesus is Lord. Re-evaluate your beliefs. Are they benefitting YOU or Christ?
Sep 23, 2011
 Amazing and scary lack of discernment
by: Rick Brentlinger

After the hundreds of emails I've received which claim the Bible says its wrong to be gay, I am still amazed when people continue to parrot that view without providing any verses which say that, in context.

Don't get me wrong. I already know why you never provide any in context verses. There are none. What I don't understand is why you refuse to re-evaluate your position when you know scripture doesn't support it.

Wouldn't you rather follow God and the Bible in context instead of following your preacher when he's wrong? Yeah, I figured that would be your answer.

Do you have the guts to watch the Sodom video?
Sep 23, 2011
 Please pray for the hater
by: Rick Brentlinger

Someone wrote a hateful comment about lesbians a few comments back. Please pray for that individual to get saved and the peace of God to fill their heart. Many thanks.
Sep 30, 2011
 deception
by: Anonymous

Satan's whole system is built on a lie. He wants to bring physical death, spiritual death, and he wants to bring eternal death. And he does it through deception and that is what he is doing through you. You are going to have a lot of people's blood on your hands on judgment day, Mr. Brentlinger.
Sep 30, 2011
 I commend your wisdom in remaining Anonymous
by: Rick Brentlinger

You have demonstrated great wisdom in remaining Anonymous. I can understand why you haven't courage to place your real name with your anti-gay beliefs. You are truly a wise man. I commend you!

Please click the last word in this sentence if you'd like to know for sure you are saved.
Oct 13, 2011
 Clarification please
by: Matt

How can you interpret Leviticus 18:22-24 to discuss anything other than sexual immorality? That's not out of context either, the bulk of the chapter is about sexual immorality.

But anyways, even with the sin of homosexuality, a born again believer in Christ can be saved correct? I believe so. But they can't just take the salvation without the responsibilities that come along with it.

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I interpret this to mean if I am going to profess Christ as my Lord and savior, then If I fall away from that enlightened state (willful sinning) then it is IMPOSSIBLE for that status to be renewed.

What is your opinion on this? And I'm not bashing anyone by the way, nor passing judgement on anyone, NOR disregarding my own sin. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Oct 13, 2011
 Clarification and answers
by: Rick Brentlinger

I'm happy to answer your excellent questions. Leviticus 18:22 is about shrine prostitutes, not homosexuality. Even extremely anti-gay preachers like John MacArthur and Robert Gagnon agree that the context is shrine prostitution.

Hebrews 6 sets up a hypothetical situation using a rhetorical argument, reductio ad absurdum, to teach that believers cannot lose their salvation. It helps to read the entire chapter.

For doctrinal truth about eternal security, click on that link and find a helpful Bible study. Remember that our eternal security is based on the doctrine of justification by faith. Hope this is helpful, friend Matt.
Oct 17, 2011
 Confused
by: Jess

I have been in a confused state ever since childhood about sexual orientation. I use to consider myself bi, even had relations with females, but when my faith grew stronger I did not want to go to Hell so I stopped thinking about it. Now I am in my 20s and the bi/homosexual feelings are flaring up again.

I understand you think homosexuals will go to Heaven, but I have read KJV Bible myself and and I believe I am damned for Hell if I do act on this lifestyle so right now I made up my mind to remain single. I do not care to be in a relationship at all anyways due to my controlling ex of many years and the men in my life I had to grow up with. I was also molested by a female member of my family.

I am not against gays though, I have several gay/bi friends whom I love to death. I just feel strongly in what I believe and making the choice for my own well-being and if what you write is what you believe than that is good for you. Whose right is it to judge or try to change the way you live and what you believe?

Also, to the very hateful comment about gays should go to Hell, etc. etc. If you are a Christian than you need to repent for what you have said because you can not be Christian if you have hatred in your heart.

Thanks Rick for the help though.
Oct 27, 2011
 So much confusion and ignorance, not enough heart
by: Christopher

I would first of all like to make it extremely clear that God does love everyone of his creations, and it's because of that love we are given a free will. Second, we all know John 3:16 but do we really understand what it means? God loves us so much that he sent his son to die in our place because he knew that we would never live up to his expectations of holiness. Jesus said that no one come's to the father but through him...
Nov 04, 2011
 I love gays but
by: Anonymous

To the previous person if you ever see this. I do not support being gay at all. Leviticus states my opinion on it. I still love gays regardless. Get the axe out of your hands, stop acting like you are any better than a gay. Christ died for ALL sinners
Nov 10, 2011
 I do not support the idea of this page
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

What should be the sense of that verse if it does not mean "homosexuals should be put to death"?

If it is all about worshiping Molech then God could specifically state that in verse 13. If "a man lie with another man" is part of worship of Molech then any man who is practicing such is also worshiping Molech and that is not acceptable before God.

If you think that the Greek terms used in this verse were meant to describe the homosexual behavior present at Pagan temples and not about condemning homosexuality, on the same way the homosexual behavior present at pagan temples is UNACCEPTABLE before God.
Nov 11, 2011
 I need answers...
by: Standing Straight For Gay Marriage

Okay, first, I agree with this website; I agree with homosexuality (although I am not "gay"); however, I was doing research for a paper for school and came across this website. I support same-sex marriage, but can you verify, clarify, or disprove any of the things on an anti-gay website I saw? It deals with homosexuality and same-sex marriage being sinful.

I do not have much time to do my own research or I would myself. But I really believe in your message. Also, any Links would help as well. Thank You - God Bless.
Nov 11, 2011
 Only you know which specific information you need
by: Rick Brentlinger

I looked at the website you referenced and it is just the same anti-gay blather we hear from so many Christians who will not study. Concerning the paper you are writing, I answer 99% of their false statements on this website.

Check the Links under, What The Bible Says as well as the NavBar Links for: Gay Christian FAQ and Ask A Question. Many thanks for your support!
Nov 13, 2011
 Leviticus names many sins
by: phyllis

I find it interesting that most anti gay folks hang their hat on Leviticus, which also says we are going to hell for eating a variety of things, pork, shrimp, etc. I am not a scholar but am thankful that I attend a Methodist church who loves all and has the strength to discuss it all and actually read it ALL.

Vs picking bits and pieces out that support hatred. Our church welcomes ALL and that makes me glad. We are all sinners so why not just focus on loving one another, being kind, polite and respectful.

I think we will all be standing before our maker dumbfounded once we pass over and all is revealed. I would hate to live my life condemning folks. I would like to be proud of how I treated my fellow man once I meet my maker.
Nov 18, 2011
 what verse did you read?
by: Anonymous

1 Corinthians 6:9? If you think its a bad inturpitation in the bible you got, then get another one NKJV it says "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom og God? Do not be DECEIVED. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, NOR HOMESEXUALS, nor sodomites.(the men that slept with men) also read 1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each women have her own husband.

Revalation 22:15 you say dog is not for guys ok fine but it does say and sexually immoral.

Any one that is not with God is againstt him!
Revalation 21:8

"He who is lost, can not be rescued, if he does not know he is lost" by esd
Nov 18, 2011
 I know you probably mean well
by: Rick Brentlinger

Sweetie, I know you probably mean well but still, it will be helpful if you do three things.

One, get rid of your NKJV and get an old KJV. The NKJV, like all new age versions, is full of errors, including its mistranslation of 1 Cor 6:9.

Two, study the Bible, 2 Timothy 2:15, comparing scripture with scripture and carefully note context and word meanings.

Three, do not be so quick to judge your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.
Nov 23, 2011
 Lost and Scared
by: Drew

For as long as I can remember I have been told that God and Jesus were and are my saviors. I was also told the being gay is a sin and that you would go to hell for being gay.

I am a 19 year old male who has never once drank or had sex. I have stolen and after I took it I would feel horrible because I took someones pokemon card unfairly.

My whole life people have said "Your gay!" or "Why are you so gay?". I don't really know if I'm truly gay or not. When I look at other men I think are hot or are my type all I want is sex. However when I look at women I want a lasting and long relationship with no sexual undercurrent.

One reason I have never done anything with another man is because of my fear in going to Hell. I have accepted Jesus into my heart and I have held him there for many years it was not till my mom and dad broke up and my dad turned his back on God and Jesus that I had a shaken of faith. I don't know what to believe but I will continue to turn to God for answers.

My question is to any Gay Christian. How do you know that Jesus will save you for living the way you are living. I have read and looked at everything that was written before this and it has made me feel less sure then ever on my sexuality.

I have had bad run ins with people who thought I was gay the worst being told by my gym teacher I could not enter the change room until all the guys were out. I have never once said I'm gay but I have wished I could to get people off my back about it. Even now that I'm at school people have decided I'm gay and treat me as such. But all this aside I would like to know how you can feel so sure in something so unsure when for thousands of years it has been told to be wrong and sinful.
Nov 25, 2011
 Please read the Linked pages
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Drew- Thanks for sharing your heart with us in such an open and loving way. Please know that you are not alone in wrestling with doubts about your salvation and wondering if it's okay to be gay and Christian. Many people have gone through that struggle.

I included a lot of Links in the post at the top of the page so that you can access additional information. I hope you will take the time to read the Linked pages, especially the ones about getting saved but also the pages about it being okay to be both gay and Christian.

Only by educating yourself on what the Bible says and does not say will you receive peace in your heart about these issues. As long as you listen to anti-gay folks instead of reading and studying the Bible for yourself, you will have doubts.

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17.
Nov 25, 2011
 Not gonna post your rubbish Nick
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey Nick- Your anti-gay rants will not be posted here. I hope that some day soon, you will start living an honest life and stop ripping verses out of context to further your anti-gay agenda.
Nov 30, 2011
 I think homosexuality is a sin
by: David

Hey Rick, I wanted to first start of by stating that I believe that Homosexuals are able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe that homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin which is committed and that Christ has forgiven when we submit ourselves to Him and repent.

Now I was reading some earlier comments, and back on April 29, 2010 you said that homosexuality is not a sin. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.

Romans 1:26-27 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

In Romans 1, Paul is speaking of people who were informed of what God wanted of them and chose to "not retain God in their knowledge" (verse 28).

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. If someone is homosexual and wants to be a good christian, they need to repent and submit themselves to God. Remember that the act of repenting is to not only admit your sin but to also strive to make the change in your life.

You may say that homosexuality is not a choice and therefore you can't change it, and you're right. YOU can't change on your own, but you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you Philippians 4:13.
Nov 30, 2011
 Study to shew yourselves approved unto God, 2 Timothy 2:15
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, I encourage you to study the Bible in context before drawing conclusions based on nothing more than reading a few verses and assuming the first thought that pops into your head is their true meaning.

Most of the body of Christ for 2000 years did NOT understand Romans 1:26-27 to be addressing the question of homosexuality. Here is the context of Romans 1:26-27.

And you may also enjoy Does God love the heathen?
Nov 30, 2011
 Please watch the video and read the FREE information I provide
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, please watch the video and read the extensively documented information I provide before drawing a conclusion. The religious tolerance website only skims the surface. I go into far greater detail about the meaning of Romans 1.

The view that Romans 1:26-27 describes heterosexuals who left heterosexual practice to engage in homosexual sex comes from St. John Chrysostom, a conservative and rabidly anti-gay preacher.

My first page on Romans 1 has many links to additional information. It will help us have a fruitful discussion if you will acquaint yourself with the context and the facts about Romans 1.
Nov 30, 2011
 I will research
by: David

Ok Rick, I will look through every nook and cranny of the information you provided and try to prove myself wrong. However, I encourage you to do the same as well. I encourage you to do some research on contextual information that says that homosexuality is a sin.

I believe that we should be trying to prove ourselves wrong in order to make sure we are coming towards the truth. Both of us our questioning each others lifestyles. I am questioning the way you live, in that you believe that it is not sinful to be homosexual. Because of that, you should see if there's truth to that, so you can adjust your life accordingly. On the other end, if what you are saying is correct, then I need to rearrange my lifestyle. I have always been a user of the NIV translation and if homosexuality is not a sin, then I need to stop my use of that translation.

It seems to me that we both strive to live lives that glorify and honor God to the best of our abilities. One of us is wrong, and one of us is right. With that in mind we need to continue with research in order to make sure we are doing everything we can to honor God with our lives.

Like I said I will research more extensively on this topic and get back to you with either a counter-argument or agreeing with your view of the topic. This will most likely happen once I don't have to worry about my College Finals :/.

In the meantime I have a question on a slightly different topic: Do you believe you will still be homosexual on the New Heavens and New Earth?
Nov 30, 2011
 Truth is attainable and knowable
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, the truth is, I have been studying the Bible since 1969 and the topic of homosexuality since 1989. As I carefully document on this website and in my book with quotations from their writings, many anti-gay Christians agree with what I say. In spite of their agreement with many of the positions I take however, they steadfastly hold to their anti-gay opinions, without a shred of supporting objective proof. Discovering truth is not the same as embracing truth.

Will we still be homosexual on the new heavens and new earth?

The Bible makes no clear statement on that so anything we say is conjecture. However, if heterosexuals are still heterosexual after the resurrection, then certainly, homosexuals will still be homosexual. Both are part of God's wonderful creative plan. Jesus did indicate that in heaven, earthly marriage relationships will be different than we experience them down here, Matthew 22:30.
Dec 06, 2011
 Wow.
by: Joseph

Okay, I don't see why people are so caught up on this. I mean, really? When I was like 5 I started liking guys. It is not a choice, I am attracted to guys and I never asked to be, plus I read something that says Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart. Jeremiah 1:5a.

So God knows where your life is going to lead. He knows your future, past and your present. I really don't think gay people should go to hell. It is not between anyone but yourself and God. All you people who say we're going to hell, you're judging us and its not your place because you don't know where we're going.
Dec 06, 2011
 Ignorance
by: Anonymous

From the dawn of time, Man has always shunned, rejected, and damned things they do not understand.
Dec 09, 2011
 I Love God
by: Confused

I knew I was attracted to females a long time ago but my mom is against that. She talks bad about homosexuals all the time but in my heart I know im one. When she found out she went crazy. I disgust her now. I dont know if im going to hell but I love God. I pray to Him constantly in fear of burning forever. Ive been battling with this for years and im still confused. I can't help that im attracted to females.
Dec 09, 2011
 God created diversity
by: Standing Straight For Gay Rights

I believe everyone has the right to be with the one their heart tells them to be with. It should not matter whether you are lesbian like yourself, gay like many others on here, or straight like me and the anti-gay "Christians" on here. We are born the way God intended us to be. Remember, God does not make mistakes.
Dec 10, 2011
 madness and incorrect information
by: Anonymous

correct god does not make mistakes but we do, if god intended for us to b gay then he would have given adam a husband not a wife, or he would have made 2 women.
the natural order of things is one way, male dogs do not go behind male dogs, nor any other animal in the world is so thus the natural order is specific to see that male bonds to females, so you cannot tell me that you are justifying it by says we cannot judge people.
Dec 11, 2011
 Wrong Information?
by: Standing Straight For Gay Rights

No. There are animals in the wild (like monkeys) who exhibit homosexual behaviors and there are others who can switch sex willingly. I think it was some species of squid or octopus. So natural order is not a valid reason. And again, just because it began as man and woman does not mean God wants us All to have heterosexual relationships. God is just.

I do not think he would have made gays just for them to go to hell for LOVING. Gays do not decide to be hated, assaulted, damned, humiliated, and prosecuted. They do not decide to become gay and possibly be killed because of their sexuality. So to say they choose to be gay, you have to be gullible.
Dec 14, 2011
 Homoexuals do go to hell
by: Anonymous

how about reading 1 corinthians 6:9-10. It clearly says homosexuals will go to hell.

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do no be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Dec 14, 2011
 The wilfully ignorant are beyond the reach of truth
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey friend, this page started with a discussion of 1 Cor 6:9. Unlike you, we have read AND studied these verses. Get. A. Clue. Please.
Dec 15, 2011
 Hey Rick...
by: Anonymous

I honestly don't know how you managed to interpret the Bible's words, which are very clear about homosexuality. I rely more on the NT by the way. But really, how about speaking in love and not using ad-hominems?

Anyways, like I said, the Bible is very clear about homosexuality and doesn't support it. I'm just saying the truth and I will not force anyone. Heck, I know I'm a sinner too. I'm just saying, stop twisting God's words.
Dec 16, 2011
 Homophobic prejudiced twisters
by: Anonymous

Man has twisted His words for centuries, hence all the versions of the Bible. To say that Rick is twisting His words means nothing because it has already been twisted. Perhaps twisting it more will actually make it seem more like what God wants, not what homophobic prejudiced "true Christians" want us to believe.
Jan 03, 2012
 only God can judge and decide
by: Not God

every one one seems to be worried to see who is right and who is wrong, God will deciede in judgment day, b-cuz of our actions we will be judged. and we all knw that satan has a purpose and is to destroy Gods work and followers of Christ those that believe in the unointing of the Holy Spirit. So wether we like it or not he is to blame God made man to his image and not to be forgoten! so satan is a hater deciever and distroyer of all belivers and if we dont fear God then who? instead of ppl fighting and bikering who is right pray and worrie about your salvation and let God decide and on judgment day. any one out there arguing with Gods word is wrong! and if homosexuals are not transformed or you believe are not saved then work harder as Christians we must not be doing a good job at preaching and showing his word! when judgment day comes we will see who will enter the kingdom and who will not! beacuse any one can ask any one will you go to hell? the question should be will you get in to heaven? ask a demon will you go to hell he will say no ask him will he go te hevean he will say no what is against Gods word and any sin will Not enter his kingdom so we all need to meditate on ower owne life first if we will enter his kingdom then judge others!
Jan 06, 2012
 Rant from a moron - enjoy
by: Anonymous

This is a complete lie, how can you say that gays and lesbians arent going hell?!! did God destroy Sodom and Gomarroh because of that? yes he did!!!!! read romans chapter 1 versus 24-27 in the KJV of the bible and you will see, God completely disapproves this
Jan 08, 2012
 Investigate a little and focus on context
by: Matt

I am surprised at the lack of understanding of the Bible and christian beliefs in this comment section.
Jan 12, 2012
 Confused but trying
by: Anonymous

I do not believe in God and haven't for a while now, for many reasons. I keep finding contradictions and flaws in the holy text. Also there's something I don't much agree with.

My friend gets picked on for being gay. I'm a pacifist and not very good at standing up for what I believe in. I tried to get them to stop picking on my friend but they keep telling me being gay is a sin.

But if God positively made us, He also made gayness, right? Or are u gonna say that is Satan's temptation? I don't see why people who torture other people should think they can make it to heaven. It's evil of them, I think. I wish I could stop them but I'm too scared to stand up to them for my friend.
Jan 12, 2012
 Here is the answer to your confusion
by: Rick Brentlinger

I am so sorry that people are picking on you and your friend. I admire your courage. Your comment encourages me to believe that you are stronger than you know.

Rest assured, God sees your situation, He loves you and He wants to save you and fill your heart with His peace and your life with His strength.

Please go to this Link: Saved and watch the short video.

I hope you will stay in touch with me and let me know what God is doing in your life. Many thanks for having the courage to comment. You are loved!
Jan 16, 2012
 no such thing as a queer christian
by: Anonymous

going to hell for their sick actions, queers pick and choose the parts of the bible that suits, george michael can tell u all that god loves you, but if you read the book youll find he doesnt
Jan 16, 2012
 I'm Too dumb to walk and chew gum - here's my incoherent thoughts
by: Anonymous

i dunno how i ended up on this site, ive never heard or read such deviant sh** before. afaik, no religion condones what goes against nature. ur all sick. whats worse is u pretend god can love you in your own little corner of the world, "stoned to death" who are u all kidding?
Jan 17, 2012
 Its up to you
by: Truth

Wow..you seem to have all of the correct buzzwords and scripture sentences to justify living an abomination lifestyle...

All sins are forgiven because Jesus dies on the cross for ALL of us. Homosexuality, beastiality, and suicide are abominations I.E. UNFORGIVABLE sins. By the way, leading souls in the direction that hinders their salvation is also a sure way to lose your own salvation.
Jan 22, 2012
 Gays will go to hell no matter what
by: Anonymous

Gays will always go to hell no matter what, Gays do not love Jesus or God because if they did they wouldn't have been gay. A gay cannot be Christian or a part of any Abrahamic religion. If you are gay you cannot be saved. Homosexuality is a permanent sin and has a permanent penalty, Hell-fire. God has made man AND women as companions. Do you not forget the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Jan 31, 2012
 Homosexuality Is WRONG && You WILL go To HELL For It !!!
by: Anonymous

DO NOT lie to these people and make them believe that you can still go to heaven being gay , homosexual , bisexual or even transgender. God said it's an ABOMINATIOM , he HATESSSS it ! It isn't right so stop supporting it , either repent and have God take that crap away from you or go to HELL !!!!
Jan 31, 2012
 Must be a full moon again!
by: Rick Brentlinger

Quick, someone call the clown posse! Some of the inmates have escaped and got access to a computer. Under a full moon, they make their schizoid posts, ranting like lunatics, yet sane enough not to use their real names.

Okay Anonymous guys, you've had your 15 minutes of fame. Crawl back under your rock now. Buh bye.
Feb 10, 2012
 No Compromise
by: Christ Follower

Editor's Note: So many of you commenters parrot the same tired, jaded, goofy illogic. Don't any of you think? Don't any of you obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and study to rightly divide the word of truth? Do you have any plans to some day study the Bible instead of being spoon fed anti-gay idiocy? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

No Compromise writes: I do not want to offend. I am not the judge, however God is. His word is true and clear. We like to twist the truth to meet our specific needs. The word of God does not conform to us, we must conform to it. No matter what the sin is (heterosexual, homosexual, sexual immorality of any kind) Christ suffered and died for all kinds. If you are living a gay lifestyle and do not repent from that sin, but make it out to be normal and just in God's eyes, you will be sadly mistaken when you stand in front of Jesus on your judgment day. As a human, you will always sin, that is our nature. As a follower of Jesus, you no longer long for the sin, but despise it for you know the great price he paid so you would not have to suffer the second death. As for people who claim they were born gay and they did not have a choice; that is not true. I may have been born with a mind for stealing or violence, but I choose to act on them. I pray that all who are struggling with their sin go to God and talk with him. Stop listening to all of us who are commenting for your guidance, but ask God to open your eyes.
Feb 17, 2012
 Point out specifically where the Bible says it's okay to be gay
by: Tommy

Rick, I think that it goes on a matter of opinion,you choose to interpret the Bible as you see it and others are giving their opinion, they dont like yours,some agree and some dont, there is always the chance you are wrong and misinterpreting the bible yourslef because you DO want to justify homosexuality, would you admit it?probably not, then theres the chance you could be right,BUT God loves the sinner, you can sugar coat it as may ways as you like if none of us repents you now whats in store, none of us are going to interpret the bibe the same way,its an age old argument,but however, somebody is wrong as well as they are right. I do beleive homosexuality is a sin as well as all sins and for our sins and we will all go to hell if we dont repent. I do ask you to point out specifically where the Bible says that its ok and any scripture that says its ok and NOT a sin.(and dont use Jonathan and david, again thats an opinion)

Rick answers: Tommy, because you never apply that goofy illogic to your life, it is unfair to apply it to our lives. You cannot point out specifically in scripture where heterosexuals ever got married in a church building in a ceremony officiated by a denominationally affiliated pastor or where they exchanged wedding rings or where someone threw rice at them.

You cannot point out specifically in scripture where churches like the Southern Baptists funded their pastor's retirement by investing in the stock market.

Can you point me to specific verses where it is okay for pastors, elders, deacons and church members to get divorced and remarried and divorced and remarried again and still lead the church? If heterosexual Christians took Jesus' words seriously, Matt 5 & 19, Mark 10, they would lose more than 50% of their congregation.

Can you show me specifically in the Bible where any church had electricity or air conditioning? Why do you feel it is okay to apply that kind of goofy illogic to us yet you would never apply the same illogic to yourself?
Feb 18, 2012
 Also
by: Tommy

Tommy wrote: So you can sidestep the question, can you show the scriptures or can you? I can say your way of thinking is goofy as well but it still doesnt answer the question, can you or not?

Rick's answer: Tommy, I think it's funny that you feel the need to play gotcha. I note that you feel no need to apply that logic to your life AND you didn't answer any of my questions. That's about par for the course.

Tommy again: If I was a person too that wanted to know that whether I was doing something wrong according to God such as things like adultery for example, Id want to see where it is that says that and quit it and get my life right,now,if I was a person that enjoyed adultery Im going to fight tooth and nail to find things that say its ok,such as so and so had many wives so its ok for me too. and for darn sure if you disagree with me,Id say things like, how you think is"goofy illogic" and what I say is the truth,and I said before its going to be an argument til we reach the judgement before God,all I can tell you is I dont hate homosexuals whether I agree with it or not because we are all sinners and cant judge,if you think its ok,go with it,but make sure youre not just preaching to others that its ok because you are gay and trying to force it,Id hate to tell someone to jump off a cliff and they end up killing themselves, you better look and see whats down there first.

Rick answer: I agree with you that it's not wise to jump off a cliff and I agree that we should go with what the Bible says, in context.
Feb 18, 2012
 There's not anything that says it's okay
by: Tommy

I answered the question, but you never did either, so touche',the answer is theres not anything that says its ok. and as far as applying to my life I have, maybe you didnt go thru what i wrote, when theres something that I want to know what im doing is wrong i turn to the word of God and not humans,you and i are going to have to agree to disagree because I say im reading in context you say youre reading n context and so do scholars and people who agree with you and so do ones who agree with me,BUT Ill say this IF you are going to tell people, I know I would want you to,find a scripture that would tell everybody, the world, that this is ok, a committed relations or not, tell me its ok. and that would be no different from my life if there are things Im doing but the bible might say that thats wrong,Id want to know, wouldnt you?I wouldnt want to tell my brothers and sisters which includes you, that its ok to murder when the Bible says tho shalt not kill. the bible as you know is far more complex with its rules than people think and when people are opposed to what someone is or does the FIRST thing they do is say, well it also says this and it also says that but even though it says that doesnt mean its ok for me to stay in my sinful life does it? so I have to repent and get out of it. now, youdont think homosexuality is sinful thats on you, can I judge you or others? nope because all of us are sinners and none is greater, the fact is homosexuality is out there, you can sugarcoat it as being a normal behaviour all day and when people start to beleive it BAM,you have the parades with men wearing feminine things and women looking like men Deuteronomy 22:5,kinda make it hard to make a good argument. like I said we are just gonna have to agree to disagree

Rick's answer: Deuteronomy 22:5 is not talking about wearing similar clothing or even the same clothing. It refers to women dressing like men to worship false gods. That's not the opinion of a gay man. That is what many conservative anti-gay Bible commentators say.
Feb 20, 2012
 Just tell the truth
by: tim

I would that you could see my heart in this matter. I want to see the lost saved so let us take a closer look at this together is sex between two men or two women sin! yes no matter how you try to go around it the word is very clear.

Genesis 19 or

Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 or

Romans 1:26-27 or

1 Cor 6:9 & 1 Tim 1:10...

just the truth.

Why would a preacher constantly make anti-gay remarks?

Rick's answer: Tim, I'm not going to let you quote those verses out of context and then use the out of context verses to condemn. You are being dishonest in the way you handle the scriptures.

If you are sincerely interested in God's truth, I encourage you to please click on the Links and allow God's Holy Spirit to teach you. Many thanks!
Feb 22, 2012
 Answers are available, Part 1
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi John, thanks for the interesting questions. The standard of proof you seek is impossible for anyone to meet. For example, can you show me proof that Americans go to heaven? No verse in the Bible says that.

Can you show me proof that convicted felons go to heaven? No verse in the Bible says that.

Can you show me proof that gays go to heaven? No verse in the Bible specifically says that.

However, the Bible does clearly say that saved people have eternal life and go to heaven: John 3:5-7, John 10:28-29, John 14:1-6, Romans 8:38-39, 1 John 5:11-13. So the right question to ask is: Am I saved?

If you are saved, you are going to heaven regardless if you are American or a convicted felon or gay.

Many people grew up in church and consider themselves Christian but in reality they have never been saved. They are cultural Christians, meaning they grew up in a culture that considers itself Christian. There is a huge difference between being a cultural Christian and being a genuine born again Christian in the Biblical sense. Why do so many young people quit church? Because they've never been saved. They are only cultural Christians.
Feb 22, 2012
 Answers are available, Part 2
by: Rick Brentlinger

As far as the proof you requested, this website has more than 650 pages of in depth information proving that the clobber passages are taken out of context and then mis-applied to gays and lesbians. If that truth is not clear in your mind, I encourage you to click on any link on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says.

I encourage you to also ask the same tough questions to Christians who condemn you for being gay. Ask them for proof that they are interpreting the clobber passages in context and that those passages several thousand years ago were addressing the problem of gay partnerships, not temple prostitution.

And please understand, the only way you will know if they're giving you an honest in context answer is if you personally study this issue for yourself.

The bottom line - It is your responsibility to study. No one but the Holy Spirit can set your mind at ease on this issue. Until you read and study and put in the time and effort to learn the truth about the clobber passages for yourself, you will not have peace on this issue. The ball is in your court, the responsibility to study is yours.

1. How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?

2. Does 1 Cor 6:9 mean I can't be gay and Christian?

3. If you're a gay Christian does God still love you?

4. How do I answer verses which seem to condemn gays?
Feb 29, 2012
 The Bible Says This
by: Anonymous

ON HOMOSEXUALITY:
Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Sodom - Genesis 19. Read this in the KJV Bible.

This one is too long to post the whole story, but to sum it up God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuals and other sins. Rick's answer: No, the Bible NEVER says that or anything like that. On the off-chance that you are interested in God's truth, please click on the Links and educate yourself.

ON Cross-Dressing:
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

A personal note on Cross-dressing: Guys might want to dress as girls because they have pretty things and heck some guys might think they are a female in a mans body. However, no man can imagine the pain of child birth or a monthly period or going through menopause. So, guys let the women have thier things back and stop cross dressing. It is kind of insulting to pass yourself off as a woman when you have no idea what being a woman means. Just as a woman has no idea of what being a man means.


The bible goes as far to not only call this a sin but an abomination.

You can not pick and choose parts of the bible to believe in. It's all or NOTHING. Ther is no such thing as a homosexual Christians.

Now you may believe in a god that is simular to the LORD in some ways that doesn't care if you are gay or not, but you aren't a Christian.

A Christian believes AND follows the written word. Anyone can believe in GOD, but that doesn't make you are a Christian.
Ex. the devil believes in GOD, but by no means is the devil a Christian

I'm not replying to be mean or negative in anyway. But to say you are a Christian is incorrect.

Your religion is different from Christianity and should be under a different name.

Your religion believes in a god simular to CHRIST THE LORD that doesn't care about homosexual behavior. The HOLY BIBLE time and time again goes into great detail of how being gay is a big NO NO. So, you can't be Christian, but rather something else. Rick's answer: No, you are making false accusations based on your own ignorance of scripture, rightly divided, 2 Tim 2:15.
Mar 02, 2012
 Sodom and Gamorah
by: Anonymous

If you believe that homosexual is not a sin how do you explain what God did to the city of Sodom and Gamorrah? He calls it an abomination. Those who go to Him and repent of their sins must turn away from their sin. To say homosexuality is godily is like saying a person addicted to porn can go to God say I am sorry forgive me, but still do it. Their excuse can be, "i was programmed this way." Doesnt mean what they are doing is right and will be rewarded in Heaven.

Rick's answer: If you are sincerely interested in truth, please watch this video and read this page about Sodom. Many thanks for your interest.
Mar 09, 2012
 Homosexuality and demons?
by: HK

"My wife and I work in the deliverance ministry... We've delivered many people from homosexual spirits. I myself was delivered of a cocaine spirit, lust and pride. I've seen hundreds of people delivered of different spirits, and it all started with my wife's deliverance..."
Mar 10, 2012
 Beware of deliverance ministries
by: Rick Brentlinger

Have you prayerfully considered the fact that you are the ones who are deceived by the devil? If not, I encourage you to consider that very real possibility. Asserting that gays are demon possessed and need to be delivered via exorcism through someone's deliverance ministry is not only unscriptural, it is insulting. I will not publish your deliverance ministry speculations because doing so would only cause confusion in the body of Christ.

Wise Christians will use spiritual discernment whenever anyone suggests they need a deliverance ministry to cast out demons. Are deliverance ministries scriptural? You may be surprised at our rock-solid answer which is faithful to the Bible in context, 2 Timothy 2:15.
Mar 16, 2012
 A little hate from Bryan
by: Judge Bryan

Lev 20:Leviticus 20:13 clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and for all you gay people that are too lazy to look it up; it says, “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
There! It is such a bad sin that God required the Jews to kill all homosexuals in their culture! If you think oh well that just applied to the Jews then that is like saying that Deuteronomy 21:18-21 means that being stubborn and rebellious isn't a din because people don't stone their children anymore.-18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
 19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place
 20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
 21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
The Bible is not a grocery store! You cannot pick want you want to believe in it and forget the other stuff. If you want to be a Christian then you have to believe everything in the Bible.
Mar 16, 2012
 Wow Bryan! Hate much?
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey Bryan, what about Lev 20:10? "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Do you have any adulterous people in your church, like Sunday School teachers or pastors or deacons or elders? Before you answer, please read what Jesus said in Matthew 19:9.

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

Please let us know when to meet at your church to stone all the adulterers and adulteresses in your congregation. Many thanks!

P.S. I'm not sure how many we'll have to stone but if it's going to take all day, please let us know so we can pack a lunch.
Mar 18, 2012
 Is homosexuality a sin?
by: Anonymous

Hey. Adultary (which Rick rightfully pointed out) is just as sinful as homosexuality, theft, fornication etc. They are all sin, and all carry the death sentence (Rom 6:23). The question is, are we living in a repented state? Psalm 103 clearly shows us that our sin is seperated as far east is from west.. but this is conditional! We need to repent!

People that have committed adultary (or any other sin) need to repent of it, and they are forgiven. Note that the word "REPENT" means to "turn away from". Our Father in heaven forgives us!

The problem here is that homosexuals are not repenting, instead, choosing to live in sin.
Rick, let me ask you. Do you see homosexuality as a sin?
Mar 18, 2012
 Being gay is not like murder
by: Rick Brentlinger

Bryan, as you grow spiritually, I hope you will rethink your logical fallacies and dump your prejudice against your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. Being gay is not like being a murderer. That you think it is reveals the shallowness of your thinking. Being gay simply means that we are emotionally spiritually sexually attracted to the same sex as you are emotionally spiritually sexually attracted to the opposite sex.

Comparing it to being a murderer is illogical, thoughtless, unkind, shallow and far from reality.

Salvation and forgiveness of sins in the Bible is never based on changing one's sexual orientation.
Mar 18, 2012
 No kiddo, being gay is not a sin
by: Rick Brentlinger

@ Anonymous - I believe you are a bit confused, perhaps because you are a young Christian or perhaps because you haven't studied much.

It will be helpful if you study what repentance means in the Bible and what the Bible considers to be sin.

I do not understand why you feel free to condemn an entire group of people by saying, "The problem here is that homosexuals are not repenting, instead, choosing to live in sin." I hope the Holy Spirit convicts you of your arrogance and pride and leads you to repentance.

To answer your question: No, I do not see homosexuality as a sin. I challenge you to provide Bible verses, which, in context, say that homosexuality is a sin. The key point is, in context.

If you trot out the clobber passages which in context, are ALL dealing with temple prostitution, then you will have demonstrated that you have no scripture to support your opinion. At that point, you will face the decision: Do I continue to believe a lie or do I repent and start loving my gay brothers and lesbian sisters just as God made them?
Mar 21, 2012
 A loving God
by: Anonymous

I am not saying that homosexuality is right but I am saying this; Homosexuality is a sin just like any other and is treated just like any other. Gay people have no more of a chance of going to hell as any other sinner. What keeps you from going to hell is simply, plainly, and only your belief and love for Jesus Christ.

I'll also say this, if a gay person professes their belief and love for Jesus Christ and is still sent to hell than that goes against everything that God says. God is not going to let one of his children that loves him be trapped in hell forever simply because they are homosexual. They have sinned just like God said they would. And if he does send them to hell than he's not the loving God he claims to be.

I'm not going to try and twist God's word to make homosexuality sound like it's not such a bad thing, but I'm never going to tell a homosexual that they're not going to heaven simply because of their sexuality.

I believe and profess my love for God and Jesus Christ and therefore will spend the rest of eternity in Heaven with them. :)
Mar 23, 2012
 Jewish Law is not Christian Law
by: Amused

I am kind of shocked that no one has seemed to tackle the obvious problem with homosexuality(or even cross dressing or wearing mixed fibers or eating shellfish) being a sin or more correctly, an abomination. That being that all of these examples are from The Torah. The sacrifice of the Christ on the cross is supposed to be an end to Jewish Law. If you are a Christian you can't point to Leviticus and say "see, God said so!" because that was a different covenant for a different people at a different time which, per Christian doctrine, was abolished with the coming of Jesus. Jesus gave only two commandments, love God, and love people(some say the 10 commandments fall under these two but I'm not convinced). Now naturally if your only "law" is to love, then you are not going to do anything to hurt or besmirch God or people and while it is very simple it also can cover a great many ethical concerns. Homosexuality, cross-dressing, eating pork, etc. etc. has nothing to do with either of them. Jewish Laws were utilized to distinguish and seperate themselves from their Pagan neighbours, they were not eternal moral dictates. Of course, if you are a Christian, not being bound by Jewish Law due to Christ's sacrifice, you are even further distanced from it because there is no need to distinguish yourself from any nation since Christ's sacrifice is a universal one and unconditional. It would be really nice if people actually read their Bible as opposed to parroting a few hateful parts and regurgitating badly tranlsated versions. Study, learn! I mean, I know you call yourselves sheep and all, but don't act like it. Oh and btw...while you are studying...you'll notice that there is no Hell to burn in forever and that salvation is universal. Deal with it and stop the hate.
Mar 23, 2012
 to rick
by: bob

You are telling others not to twist the bible to further their own beliefs but you are doing that with all of your answers. Homosexuality is a sin that is a fact. No matter how much you wish it wasn't you can't change truth. You can ask Jesus to forgive your sins and go to heaven but if you ask him to forgive your sin of homosexuality then go and commit homosexuality again then you are pretty much spitting in his face.
Mar 23, 2012
 Still can't make a scriptural case, can you Bob?
by: Rick Brentlinger

You are incapable of citing any Bible verse which, in context, condemns two gay men or two lesbian women who marry and make a life together. So you rip verses out of context to "prove" your opinion and then accuse me of twisting scripture.

We're on to you Bob. You won't be able to get that past God at the judgment seat of Christ.
Mar 27, 2012
 Confused
by: Anonymous

Confused writes: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Lev 20:13

I have trouble with this verse because it goes against "thou shall not kill" one of the basic commandments also it sounds homophobic.

Rick's answer: Please check out my shrine prostitutes page and notice that even virulently anti-gay Christians like John MacArthur and Robert Gagnon, admit that the context of Lev 18:21-22 and 20:13 is cult, temple, shrine prostitutes.

Confused writes: You be the judge, but remember "judge not less ye be judged" and there is human judgement and there is God's judgement.
Mar 29, 2012
 Demons or faith?
by: bibi

Rick's comment: No one in the Bible ever cast a demon out of a saved person. It is certainly possible for an unsaved person to be demon possessed. Did your uncle get biblically saved?

The Bible says nothing which leads us to believe there is a demon of homosexuality. It may be helpful to carefully read Are deliverance ministries scriptural?

About whether or not changing one's orientation is possible, Exodus International, the largest change ministry in the world, admits that orientation change is virtually impossible.

Bibi writes: I was reading and it cought my attention that the couple up the page said its a demon and you can be deliverd? I saw something that i do think was that. i have an uncle that would hide he has gay and of course we all knew ever since his early 20's his now 45 or so,but he wanted to be diffrent he wanted to change he said he was really tired to be like that. so at church during a good Holy spirit service he put his hands up high and was pooring his heart out he has crying and was talking to God in his heart or mind or soul not sure but he did something.

He doesnt go to church and it was his 3rd time visiting. The pastor prayed for him and he just sat down and didnt move or cry any more. next thing i know my cousin calls me because he wouldnt move then we all were praying i was praying and he fell to the floor and was moving wierd and speaking wierd not his voice it was a diffrent voice, then when we finished praying and people around him helped him up and started crying agian. but it was with joy he was so happy. he was hugging every one evry one he would see just huged them and said thank you thank you, church was over and my cousins were kinda scared moslty shocked, so he went home he lives 4 hours away from my city.

its been 8 months since that happend he no longer participates in a gay life. He says something happend that day and cant explain it. He says he now lives happier, feels diffrent in every way in his life. He now has a girlfriend. so now i do think people can change if they really want to and put the disier in there heart to do so. If they let God do that change inside of them like my uncle did.

Alot of things may not be in scripture and we may not understand but when God works in his way and people let him work things do happend. So can any one explain to me how was that possible alot of you say you cant change? or was it demon like that couple said? my uncle is a big testimony for all my family and friends. I love him to death.
Apr 16, 2012
 Jesus loves you - it's often hard to put him first
by: Anonymous

I want to say that I am sorry to those who have been hurt and damaged with harsh thoughtless and insensitive unloving comments.

Whoever you are, what ever your orientation Jesus loves you, don't let anyone tell you otherwise! No one is perfect but God. You are special, you are loved and God want you to be a part of "His" family.

I do not understand many issues, I can not imagine how it must feel to be told you are going to hell, especially if you love and believe in Jesus.

I can only go from personal experience of my own relationships; I have been in relationships that in my heart and head I always knew were wrong, they just didn't feel right in my faith. In the end I ended the relationships, which was always painful but I knew it was the right thing to do. Now I know the person I am with now is meant to be.

I have found that being a true Christian means you have to be willing to put Jesus first before everything, including who we get involved with in relationships - this is VERY hard - we may feel like the living sacrifices that the Bible talks about. Life is not always about God giving us an easy route or what we want. Being a Christian is about sacrifice and love.

So I say to those who are struggling or wondering about relationships and faith - let Jesus guide you. I always pray the prayer "Your will be done, not mine." This can be painful, some times it means we can't have what we want at the time. This is what happened to me on several occasions.

In the end Jesus knows what is best for you, He is totally in love with you and wants you to be blessed too. Always put Jesus first before every relationship. I have not included my orientation as I do not wish to categorize people or cloud judgements - I am just sharing some of my experiences as a Christian with you. May God Bless you.
Apr 17, 2012
 Sex with angels?
by: Anonymous

I hate to tell u this but u are wrong about sex with angels in the bible a man asked if we would still be married in heaven and Jesus said no we will be like the angels in heaven to me that mean sex will be no longer and it could also mean that angels have no sex organs... sex only exist because of sin to reproduce our self because we die.
Apr 18, 2012
 U disgust me
by: Anonymous

U gay sodomites, u disgust me, fact of the matter is that u cant be gay and be a christian. So u will go to hell unless u stop being gay. Eaither u will find out that I was right about what the bible sayd in heaven or hell.why.do think god destroyed sodom and gommera?huh?

Rick's comment: I'm assuming you had to crawl out from under your rock so you could find free wifi to post that. Hope the sunlight hasn't been too distressing for you.
Apr 18, 2012
 Homosexuality is a sin, God calls it an abomination!
by: Anonymous

I do not hate those who practice homosexuality, or who are transvestites, or cross-dressers, etc. etc., but I do know they are committing sin and you claim to be a Christian yet claim that homosexuality is NOT a sin when the Bible clearly states how God feels about this act. It is against His creation. Yes, He loves you and so do I with the love of Christ,

Rick's comment: Well which is it sweetie, do we disgust you (as you wrote in your first comment) or do you love us? Maybe you're giving us a twofer - 1. we disgust you but 2. you still love us?

but I do not condone the act of homosexuality and to simply agree with you and allowing you to twist the words of God around, would not only be an injustice to you, but would also be an injustice to others who read this website and are led down the wrong path.

Rick's comment: So you're only making these comments because you care so much about justice? Don't you care about truth? Do you love us enough to obey 2 Tim 2:15?

Now I know that this comment probably won't change your mind, only God and the love of Jesus Christ can bring conviction upon you for this, like he does with me daily.

A relationship with God, His Son, and the Holy Spirit is a daily walk. We have to continually seek guidance and wisdom so we don't fall into sin. Satan will always tempt us, but we have to choose to turn away from the temptation just our lord Jesus did (and he turned from sin as a man, a human just as we are, so that is the hope. He proved that we can resist the devil just as he did as long as we walk with the Father just as he did)
Apr 18, 2012
 BTW I didn't write "you disgust me"
by: Anonymous

I didn't write that comment about you disgusting me that was someone else. You are not a very nice person. You assume a lot. My name is Letitia and I did not write that horrible post above mine I suppose one of my other posts didn't make it on there.

Rick's comment: Letitia, sorry for thinking you made the, you disgust me post. When people post Anonymously, I have no way to tell who is who.

I didn't post your other comments because they are long and off-topic.
Apr 18, 2012
 Homosexuality is a sin, God calls it an abomination
by: Anonymous

My other posts were very much on topic and by not posting my 2 comment you cut off my defining of the last part of the first post. My post were the truth, which you seem to beg everyone for. As for not knowing who I was it should have been obvious in the difference in the way I write and the way the other anonymous person writes. I really wish you wouldn't withhold the truth in what I wrote. It's definite truth because I used the word of God and for you to call me ignorant on the first post when I used scripture makes me wonder if you think God is ignorant because those are his words on paper.

Rick's comment: Letitia, your ignorance is believing that the verses you quote do indeed condemn modern homosexuals. If you take the time to educate yourself by clicking on the Links I inserted in your comment, you would discover that those verses are not addressed to gay people. Instead, they were addressed to idolaters, most of them heterosexual. We know they were heterosexual because they were married with children.

So No, I do not believe God is ignorant. But when people take verses out of context and insist they apply to gays when they didn't refer to gays in context, that is ignorance.
Apr 19, 2012
 Letitia's final comment
by: Anonymous

I'm afraid ignorance is twisting the scriptures to justify your sins. The Scriptures apply to us today. God was clear on homosexuality, but that is why he sent Jesus, so that homosexuals wouldn't be stoned just as the adulteress want stoned in the comment you are determined not to post. There must not be anything for you to slander otherwise you would have posted it. And because Jesus died for our sins we can be REBORN into a NEW LIFE. We should no longer live in sin. By you denying that being, which goes against the way God made you and your body, you ate giving in to your fleshly desires and are still worshiping Molech, because if that is what that scripture refers, and yet applies to today then you are trying to worship two gods. Because you twist the scripture you choose to continue in your sin as Romans 6 tells us not to do. And you are crucifying my Lord all over again. You are slapping him in the face because you say "I accept you Jesus, but I want to keep doing what my flesh wants to do."

I also notice that you hardly every gave a straight forward answer to many of the comments above and you seem to delight in putting people down. I do not approve out this website, of course I don't approve of some of these people saying ugly things, including you, and I know because I do have Jesus in my heart and the Holy Spirit guides and is the one who gives me the compassion for people who are trapped in that lifestyle, I know that God is not please with the way you are twisting scripture and ignoring other scriptures because you want to justify your actions...

Rick's comment: Letitia, you seem to be a typical anti-gay Christian. You love to make accusations against gays while also accusing us of saying ugly things. You profess to "KNOW" we are living in sin yet you haven't managed to quote any verse which says that in context. Your self-righteous judgmental attitude is showing. In case you are interested, here is the Christian way to judge.

Meanwhile, you have not given one verse which in context, addresses the issue of gays going to hell. This is your fifth and final comment that I've posted and I've deleted another five or six so we'll hear no more from you. I do hope that at some point, you will get serious in your Bible study and serious in your Christianity. Doing so will radically change your life.
Apr 20, 2012
 Mutual Understanding?
by: Damon

Firstly I want to say God bless to everyone... Are you saying Homosexuality IS NOT a sin and is according to God's will based on his word or are you saying IT IS a sin but it doesn't condemn you to hell, because of the gift of salvation through the acceptance of his Only Begotten Son?

Rick's comment: I am saying homosexuality is NOT a sin - please read the website for more information on why it is not sin.

Now I'll tell you why I specifically ask this. My step sister is homosexual and has come out already... Never have I told her God has made a mistake in her creation or she is condemned to hell, just because she is gay, for who am I to judge?

Now despite your arguments, it is the widely accepted belief, homosexuality is in fact a sin and not in accordance to God's Will. KJV, NIT, NKJV, etc all mention sexual immorality in the same verses(because they are translations and not different interpretations in the true sense of the word), and by Nature Homosexuality gets thrown into that pot of sexual immorality. This has been taught for many years all through out the world, in more then just Christianity.

Rick's comment: But they can only teach that by ripping verses out of context and then insisting that the verses mean something they did NOT mean in context.

Now I've just brought personal belief, widely accepted belief into the fray, and this site provides your belief, and now only one thing remains. The Bible. Beside the original question I asked I would also like your take on this.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. - Leviticus 18:22

Rick's comment: Here is the truth about: Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13

I have refrained from giving my opinion or any other opinion of this verse, to avoid falling out of context in anyway... Thank you for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon. God Bless.
Apr 20, 2012
 I know you don't care, but I'm asking anyway
by: Anonymous

One more question. Not that you'll answer, you are good at that. But what scriptures are actually taken into context? To me they are pretty straight forward. I don't know how you can read in between the lines so much. It doesn't matter what scripture anyone tells you, you always give them the same answer, "you are not reading those scriptures in context." Since you are changing the Bible up so much, you might as well change it from Christianity and discover a different religion to call it. Then again Christianity isn't supposed to be a "religion" it's a relationship.

Rick's comment: I have more than 650 pages of carefully sourced, precisely documented information online here. I carefully explain each of the clobber passages in detail and provide many links to other websites for those who desire to do more study.

The truth is, ALL of the verses used to clobber gays and lesbians ARE taken out of context because IN CONTEXT they do not say what the anti-gay crowd wishes they said.
Apr 22, 2012
 it SIN read your bible
by: Anonymous

STOP TWISTING THE WORDS OF GOD TO FIT INTO WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS. IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS -ITS SIN REPENT

•Lev. 18:22
•Lev. 20:13
•1 Cor. 6:9-10
•Rom. 1:26-28

Rick's comment: If you're not too busy, check the NavBar under, What The Bible Says. I answer your misapplication of these verses there.
Apr 22, 2012
 it SIN read your Bible part 2
by: Anonymous

Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God who created Adam, a man, and then made Eve, a woman. This is what God has ordained as the normal means by which we carry out his command to fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). What God has set up is what is right -- not what sinful man sets up.

Rick's comment: Sadly, it has never occurred to you that some of us have studied these verses and issues far more than you. Instead of parroting what someone told you, why don't you perform due diligence by obeying 2 Tim 2:15. You'll amazed at what our loving Lord will show you.
Apr 22, 2012
 YOUR SICK
by: Anonymous

WHAT A JOKE YOUR SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK GET IT... IT SIN SIN SIN AND STOP TWISTING YOUR WORDS TO FIT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS..IT SIN AND YOU WILL PAY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE JUST LIKE WHAT I HAVE DONE..BUT I REPENTED AND CHANGED MY LIFE ..STOP KIDDING YOURSELF YOUR A SINNER AND YOUR NOT LIVING IN GODS WORD BUT THE DEVIL AND YES YOUR A SINNER GOING TO THE BAD PLACE IF YOU DONT STOP..CHANGE YOUR LIFE STOP ACTING STUPID AND READ YOUR BIBLE ..STOP THINKING YOUR RIGHT...

IT NOT ABOUT THE FLESH IT ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD YOU LIVE IN AND WHILE YOUR LIVING IN THE FLESH WHICH THATS WHAT YOUR DOING YOU WILL DIE AND DIE FOREVER AND THEN WHERE WOULD YOU BE...NO WHERE THINK ABOUT IT

Rick's comment: I edited some of your crude expressions because this is a family friendly website. I hope you will get psychological help for your anger issues.
Apr 23, 2012
 Yes Homosexuals will go to hell.
by: Anonymous

It says that clearly in 1 Corinthians 6:9 you wont enter God's kingdom. If you wont enter God's kingdom where else will you go besides hell? Also it says that in 2 Peter 2:20-21
that it would be better if you did'nt know Jesus than continue to do the sins you've done before you were saved.Whether your lesbian or gay it doesn't matter God adresses both. Romans 1:26-32.

Women who leave the natural use of man will BURN in their own lust towards one another. So will men. It is not my personal opinion that homosexuals will go to hell. It is what God has said and I stand ferm on his word. I'd also like to say that you can be forgiven if your a homosexual.But you will not be forgiven if dont honestly mean it! Trust me when I say that the only reason that you think your gay is because you have hole your trying to fill. Turn to God when you think all is lost. May God bless you and you find truth. Love, Anonumous

Rick's comment: No sweetie, 1 Cor 6:9 doesn't mention homosexuals in the original text that Paul wrote. What you believe, that 1 Cor 6:9 mentions homosexuals, is a belief only 54 years old. Most Christians down the centuries of church history have not believed that because it wasn't in the Bible until 1958.

Your problem is, you read a verse and assume that the first thought to pop into your head must be absolute truth. Contra that, God commands you to study, 2 Tim 2:15. When will you obey God's command?
Apr 23, 2012
 His Truth
by: Anonymous

Hebrews 10:26 will answer this question. God made Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve. God also destroyed sodom and gamorah because of sexuals sins (which include homosexuals) he says homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. My friend, repent! Jesus Christ will set you free. He loves the sinners but hates the sin. Amen. Don't listen to satans lies until its too late for you! Www.insightsofgod.com will be very helpful for you. God bless

Rick's comment: Don't any of you read and study your Bible? "God made Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve." Really, that silly oxymoron is your best argument? Why do you keep quoting 1 Cor 6:9 as if it means what you assume, without study, that it means?

For almost 2000 years, Christians who were NOT gay still did not interpret 1 Cor 6:9 the way you mis-interpret it. Did it ever occur to you to wonder why? Have you ever considered obeying 2 Tim 2:15? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Apr 24, 2012
 The Word of God says you are wrong
by: Anonymous

Even the Orthodox Jewish Bible translates 1 Corinthians 6:9 as "nor effeminate call boys and homosexuals" "will not inherit the kingdom of God". And the King James says "nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" referring back to Leviticus.

Rick's comment: No honey, the word of God says I am right. You possess a finely honed ability to ignore reality while flogging your favorite hobby horse, your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

What a strange mental anomaly you exhibit. Aren't you even slightly embarrassed by your refusal to study and acquaint yourself with the facts surrounding 1 Cor 6:9? Doesn't your spiritual laziness trouble you even a little bit?

The Greek word arsenokoitai was NEVER used to mean homosexual in the first six centuries of church history. I list the first 60 or so usages of arsenokoitai on my website.

Because arsenokoitai was never used to mean homosexual in the first six centuries of church history, it did not suddenly start to mean homosexual in the twentieth and twenty first centuries, regardless of your opinion to the contrary.
Apr 26, 2012
 did you reply?
by: bibi

i was really looking foward for a responds when i asked about my uncle being changed i wanted to know if that was not possible for God. or if you knew what trigerd that change in him? but i guess il go to another site that really knows the word of God you say its not scriptual to be seat free or if its a demond.

Rick's comment: No dear, I said that no one in the Bible ever cast a demon out of a saved person. You would like people to believe that homosexuality is caused by demon possession and I pointed you to information which contradicts your opinion - an article about deliverance ministries.

with this it is certin you maybe dont know what your talking about and maybe others are right. i didnt think it was off topic him being gay and all. i just thought some one was able to help out on the issue. God does make miricles and changes in people that really want it. Good bye!

Rick's comment: bibi- I did respond but you didn't like my response. I provided helpful links to additional information including a link about Exodus International. They claim to be the world's leading experts on homosexuality. And the President of Exodus International says 99.9% of the gays he has dealt with did NOT change. I hope you will read the information this time instead of ignoring it.
Apr 27, 2012
 Need I say more?
by: Anonymous

Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:24

Rick's comment: So you're saying that gays are not allowed to feel any passion or sexual desire in their lives yet folks who are not gay ARE allowed? Or are you saying saved people never feel any passion or sexual desire?

I understand why you would not associate your name with such a snarky opinion. To understand how dishonest and sex-crazed many heterosexual Christians are, check out this page.

Isn't it all about sex for you gays and lesbians?
Apr 27, 2012
 Do transsexuals/gays/biesexual/go to heaven
by: Anna

If you know that changing sex is the right thing to do deep down inside your heart and you trust and believe in god you will go to heaven. god don't make mistakes, he don't...

Rick's comment: Check out our views on Transgender Issues

some people can't help that they feel trapped inside the wrong body and that they are gay so I just try to help people out and help them feel the same way I would want to feel, happy and live a nice life god loves every one of us he made on this earth.

Rick's comment: And Yes, all who trust in Jesus, will be saved.
Apr 27, 2012
 You won't listen to truth because you have ignored God's word
by: Anonymous

Romans 1:25-28 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed in their passions for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done.

Rick's comment: No dear, we have not ignored God's word. Unlike you, we study God's word, 2 Tim 2:15, and believe it in context. In context, Romans 1:26-27 is about idolatry and using sex to worship false gods. Isn't it about time you started to study the Bible in context?
May 01, 2012
 im confused
by: Anonymous

im a 15yr old and i am extremely confused i have gone to a Christian school all my life and have been provided with the best opportunities and chances. I know the Bible back and forth and what it says. However i am still having sexuality questions i feel trapped and like I am going to hell either way. The Bible states in some way that if you sin in your heart it is as if you are actually sinning, I am always thinking about it and wanting it but I believe Jesus died for me.

For all the people who have never felt this way please let me try to educate you. I feel like Im something nobody wants

Rick's comment:God loves you and Jesus died for your sins so that you can have peace with God by getting saved.

I cant go to my parents because Im afraid to lose them, I pray and I dont feel like God is hearing or understanding me, I want to kill myself but cant because death and my eternity is what Im afraid and unsure of in the first place and I cant talk to a friend because Im afraid of losing them, I feel like Im all alone.

Rick's comment: Killing yourself is not the right answer. God has something much better for you than suicide. Your life WILL get better and you WILL find answers which satisfy your heart.

I know I love Jesus and he loves me but that doesnt save me I guess so Im letting people know how much I want to die and wish I was never born, its really hard and confusing but thinking is just as bad as doing. Someone, anyone if you really can be sensitive and help me with real facts let me know because I am at my breaking point. Thank you all.

Rick's comment: Please read this page for a message from the heart of a loving God.
May 01, 2012
 Just a question...
by: Anonymous

There are some very interesting interpretations I'm seeing here, on both sides. But my question is..So God said celibacy is okay and whatnot so we don't HAVE to get married etc, but isn't being gay a lot more than just being together and (sometimes) not getting married?

What about gay sex? As a gay christian, do you avoid having sex with your partner? Isn't sodomy wrong? I dunno but I don't think God would be too happy with this whole anal sex thing (male- female/ male- male). Please respond :)

Rick's comment: We provide Bible-based answers to questions like this on our Gay Christian FAQ
May 01, 2012
 so confusing
by: Anonymous

I dunno...the Bible may have been interpreted wrongly many times but there are simply too many references to the ills of homosexuality. What about Sodom and Gomorrah? (that word sodom ring a bell btw?)
Yet still i feel that if soeone does not act upon there desires they should not pay the price for it. But then again the Bible says that whatever a man thinks he has already committed... :/ How do we escape sin? We can't. Gay or straight we're all sinners and we all have a hard time getting away. What does the straight world think? If someone stops being gay they get a ticket to heaven? Ha. Hell, STRAIGHT ppl don't even have the ticket to heaven.
The better question is in my opinion...are all humans going to hell? Possibly and probably. We're all sinful and no sin is better than the other...so homos don't feel bad! We're all doomed :D And straight ppl...why don't you pick that plank outta your eyes...:P

Rick's comment: Explore the NavBar of this website. We provide answers and helpful context for questions like the ones you've raised.
May 14, 2012
 Is homosexuality a sin?
by: Robert W.

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/45-16/what-the-bible-teaches-about-homosexuality

Listen here and hear the truth! Homosexuality is a sin and can be forgiven! but not without repentance. Your site leads people to hell!

Rick's comment: Hi Robert W - thanks for your interest. As one who tiptoes around the TULIP of Calvinistic philosophy with John MacArthur, you are well aware that, according to MacArthur, the choice as to who gets saved has already been made by God and nothing on earth or on my website can affect that. But of course, you knew that when you made your snarky comment.

Nevertheless, I have edited two pages of my website and added a long quote on both pages, from the John MacArthur sermon you linked to. Much appreciated.

Homosexual Eunuchs

Shrine Prostitutes
May 18, 2012
 read before mindlessly citing anti-gay verses
by: Anonymous

the ignorance here - I can't even - it's like they didn't even look at the site

seriously guys,

there's a LOT of pages here and they mention ALL the verses in the Bible that people use against gays - READ THEM
May 18, 2012
 to the 15 year old
by: S H

i am very concerned about the 15 year old who posted on here a while ago. They were so confused and distressed. This is my message to you 15 year old.

I pray you will experience the Peace and Love of Jesus and that God will bless and guide you. I pray God may send people into your life that can support and love you. never give up you are precious. God Bless x
May 22, 2012
 But the Bible clearly states
by: Anonymous

1 Corinthians 6:9-11-states that homosexuals don't inherit heaven. Don't take it out of context.

Rick's comment: No honey, 1 Cor 6:9 does not mention homosexuals. That word didn't exist until 1900 years AFTER Paul wrote 1 Corinthians. Paul was describing temple prostitutes.
May 23, 2012
 Addressing prostitution and effeminate
by: Tish

NET Study Notes on I Corinthians 6:9 states:
A number of modern translations have adopted the phrase "male prostitutes"[I Cor. 6:9 (NIV, NRSV, NLT)] but this could be MISUNDERSTOOD by the modern reader to mean "males who sell their services to women," while the term in question appears, at least IN CONTEXT, to relate to homosexual activity between males. Furthermore, it is far from certain that prostitution as commonly understood (the selling of sexual favors) is specified here, as opposed to a consensual relationship. Thus the translation "passive homosexual partners" has been used here.

Plus the KJV states "effeminate...shall not inherit the kingdom" Effeminate is defined as "having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men; not manly. Greek: (of a man) unmanly or womanish." Many men who live the homosexual lifestyle often tend to be effeminate.

Rick's comment: Congrats Tish - you exhibit a remarkable ability to ignore truth while clinging to opinion. You did notice, didn't you, that the NET Bible only presents opinion in the quote you cited?

I present historical facts concerning the use of malakoi and arsenokoitai. The way those words were actually used in history is far more important than opinions which ignore how the words were used.

Well, at least that is true for folks who are more interested in truth than in clinging to opinions.
May 23, 2012
 My opinion is based on my relationship with God
by: Tish

Well Mister Rick, you and your sarcasm seem to know it all. And I'm afraid that you are very opinionated yourself, but only your opinion seems to matter. I notice in the cites you post such as the "shrine prostitutes" you quote other people who give their opinions. You only agree with the opinion of people who agree with your opinion. I know that my words are falling on deaf ears, but I pray that other people are not falling for your twisting of the scriptures. God help you, because you are helping others down the wrong path and you can be sure He is not pleased with what you are doing. He created us man and woman for a reason a holy and righteous purpose and you are saying it's ok to pervert God's creation. You are doing what your flesh desires not what the Spirit desires. The Bible is clearly for marriage, but a marriage between man and woman. Show me a scripture that says a marriage between a man and a man or woman and a woman is sanctified and righteous in God's eyes. Thank you.

Rick's comment: I presented facts from world-renowned scholars. You presented opinion. You approach the Bible based on feelings, without regard for what scripture says in context. It is impossible to reason a woman out of a belief she was not reasoned into.
May 24, 2012
 are opinions still opinions if the opinions are facts?
by: Anonymous

I'm just saying, these people keep hiding behind "well that's your opinion" if your "opinion" has been proven then is it really an opinion anymore or just a fact?
May 24, 2012
 Women aren't the only ones who think the way I think
by: Tish

You have it all backwards rick. My so called "feelings" are from the Holy Spirit in me. You can't read the word of God thinking with a human mindset, you have to read through the Spirit. You can't fully understand God unless you have the Holy Spirit to guide you and sounds to me like you are just focused on so called "facts". Not all of us were taught to hate homosexuals. The Bible doesn't tell us to hate but to love. Heterosexuals need to stop fornicating, just as prostitutes need to stop selling their flesh, just as homosexuals need to stop perverting what God has created us for. All of these are sexual immortalities and go against the Spirit and nature of God. We as born again believers shouldn't WANT to sin. Sexual immortalities seem to be Satan's favorite tool to trap God's people and those who are not part of the family of God. If we have the mindset of Christ then you won't want to do the things your flesh want to do, like fornication (sex before marriage) or homosexuality ( people of same sex have unnatural intercourse).Also you didn't answer my question. I wanted you to show me a scripture that sanctifies and honors same sex marriage.

Rick's comment: Again, you have ignored clear Biblical facts and context. Ignorance is not a fruit of the Spirit. Why do anti-gay Christians always follow the same pathetic protocol?

1. Repeating your false beliefs
2. Going by feelings, not Biblical facts
3. Ignoring Biblical facts
4. Ignoring Biblical context
5. Demanding scripture for gay marriage

David and Jonathan provide a chapter after chapter argument for gay marriage.

I have 650+ pages of helpful info on this website. If you really want truth, it IS available.
May 24, 2012
 Poor Response
by: Tish

So, you're saying that David and Jonathan were gay? Well sorry, but you have taken their friendship "out of context" as you always like to say. They were like brothers. There was nothing sexual in their relationship...

Rick's comment: Enough from you Tish. I've given you more than ample space to make your case. You have not done so. Bye bye.
May 25, 2012
 curious about Coming Out of Homosexuality
by: Anonymous

I'd been reading this book my dad sent me called Coming Out of Homosexuality (so far hasn't been very accurate at all compared to the information on this site)

there was a section that talked about "masculinity" and "femininity" as godly traits for men and women respectively. they said something about emulating the life of Jesus, and that if a man or a woman emulates His personality, then they would achieve their sense of masculinity or femininity, because (and I quote)

"There is a sense in which males who model themselves after Jesus will become more fully masculine, while women who model themselves after Jesus will enjoy a deeper understanding of their womanhood."

I'm asking, does this mean, based on what they were saying here, that Jesus was gender fluid?

Rick's comment: I doubt that is what Bob Davies is saying. He used to be the Executive Vice President of Exodus International. I'm sure your Dad is well-intentioned but to get a clear picture of what change ministries believe, it helps to read my page on Exodus International.

By the way, most of the people who have led Exodus International over the years including current leaders of EI, admit that the people they've known and dealt with and ministered to DID NOT change their sexual orientation.
May 25, 2012
 re: Coming out of Homosexuality
by: Anonymous

I figured he wasn't really saying that, but I found it kind of amusing

I am very familiar with the propaganda of Exodus International and how it's hurt so many people. I hope and pray that I'll never be forced into it
May 27, 2012
 Leviticus 20:13
by: ACH

Lev. 20:13 days be put to death not go to hell infact the jews did not believe in hell last time i checked Lev. is from the old testament written by jews so you are the one twisting it around bc the punishment for not following the ancient jewish laws was to be put to death not go to hell bc the jews do not have a hell.

Rick's comment: Hell is mentioned 31 times in the Jewish Old Testament. Our Jewish ancestors certainly did believe in hell. Hell in the Bible.
May 27, 2012
 Marriage
by: ACH

And i would like to add that the bible does not cite God as the originator of marriage infact it states in the bible that there is no marriage after the resurection. not once is it clearly stated in the bile that God created marriage. The argument most people use is Adam and Eve, but the bible never said they were married and Adam and Eves children would have to marry each other that would be insest wich is a violation of the laws in leviticus.

Rick's comment: The first human marriage in the Bible is described in Genesis 2:18-24. God made Adam and Eve. Jesus described them as a man and wife couple, Matthew 19:3-12.

The mistake many anti-gay folks make is to assume that the story of Adam and Eve negates every other kind of marriage relationship. That false view is called complementarity.

The children of Adam and Eve did marry each other for a certain period of time early in human history. 2600 years later, when God gave the Law to Moses, marrying close relatives was forbidden. During the lives of Adam and Eve, marriage in the Bible was much different than it is today.
May 29, 2012
 My two cents...
by: Anonymous

Youre probably not goin to care what i have to say but i encourage you to look up the word effeminate. In the NIV version of the Bible "homosexual offenders" wasn't replacing "nor abusers of themselves" as it says in the King James Version which you quoted. In fact, it replaces the word effeminate. An effeminate man is defined as "Having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly". I'm pretty sure you're going to somehow twist that to justify your life of continuous sin (we all know the saying "he hears what he wants to hear) but it is okay because one day every knee will bow and everyone will be judged accordingly. God bless you guys, I hope and pray that one day you wil open your eyes.

Rick's comment: Two cents grossly OVER-values your insight on this issue. Ignorance and laziness are NOT fruits of the Spirit (if you'll pardon the word, fruits).

1 Cor 6:9 contains two Greek words, malakoi and arsenokoitai which the NIV wrongly assumes to mean homosexual. Honestly, if you're too lazy to study and acquaint yourself with basic facts, don't expect us to applaud your ignorance.
May 30, 2012
 My two cents continued...
by: Anonymous

It doesn't suprise me that once again you are justifying your acts. But hey, thats what people do. And you still never really responded to my "effeminate" deffinition. And once again, (ive commented on these things before) you guys offend and beat me with your name calling. I'm pretty sure that my initial comment wasn't rude or offensive in anyway. I simply defined a word (that you used when rebuttling the question does the bible say homosexuals will go to hell?) Again, I did not offend you so I would greatly appreciate if the name calling would stop and even if it doesn't I won't retaliate to such because as a true christian I feel it was't needed or Christ-like. Once again God bless you.

Rick's comment: You did not define the word effeminate as it is used in the Bible. You gave a hackneyed interpretation of effeminate as it is used in the twentieth and twentieth first centuries, which has almost nothing to do with the meaning of the word in 1 Cor 6:9.

That is my point. You look up a word in an English dictionary and that is the extent of your study.

Name calling? Grow up! If you want to go through life being arrogant, ignorant and spiritually lazy, that is your right. But those of us who obey 2 Tim 2:15 have better sense than to view your sophomoric rambling as intelligent.

Ignorance and teaching false doctrine are not Christ-like.
May 30, 2012
 Romans 1:26
by: Elizabeth

The banter, hateful, attacking way your words are to those who show the truth of Gods Word, which is in opposition to your point of view, speaks volumes. You are not interested in allowing the transforming Spirit of God to come into your hardened heart so He can make you His handiwork. You are only interested in picking apart the Bible to justify remaining in your flesh and the lustful desires therein. Romans 1 :26 is clear what God "allows" to happen to those like you, that is not God condoning your free choice of a lifestyle, but your hardened heart is blinded by your lustful, unnatural desires so you see only that which validates your position. I will continue to love you as Jesus does and pray for your deliverance. I wish for you, and all like you to be truly free just as the Corinthians were freed when the pure gospel of Christ was presented to them. Praise be to God for His forgiveness, mercy and Grace!

Rick's comment: If you love God you will study His word in context. If you love us, you will teach the word of God in context. So far, you have not done that.

Instead, you present the blindness of your heart, using verses out of context to assault your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. And you do it in the guise of loving us.

Then, after accusing us of using hateful attacking words, you hatefully attack us with words like: (1) your free choice of a lifestyle (apparently WE have a lifestyle, YOU have an orientation), (2) hardened heart, (3) blinded, (4) lustful, (5) unnatural desires.

Have you no self-awareness? Are you really so obtuse? Apparently unaware of your arrogance, you have the hubris to call your attacking words, love. Your attitude is shameful.
May 30, 2012
 dear homophobes
by: someone who did their research

please read the Bible IN CONTEXT, not with a preconceived bias

there is nothing "unnatural" about homosexuality. it's not a "lifestyle," but an orientation toward the same biological sex. it's caused by a combination of biological and genetic factors during fetal development.

besides, if the Bible meant to say a man lying with a man is "unnatural" the original Hebrew texts in Leviticus would have used the word "te'bel" instead of "to'ebah" (which is talking about idolatry by the way).

Romans 1 is talking about the same thing: cult practices, so don't go around preaching something you haven't even bothered to study outside of your scarsely accurate English translations

PS: the Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramic, not English
May 30, 2012
 My two cents continued
by: Anonymous

I think its really funny how every time you comment me back its with anger and name calling. Again, I have NOT called you by any names so I don't see why you are doing it to me.

Rick's comment: Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16.

Second, you are soooo "Godly" in your eyes yet you are constantly battling with me when all I did was give my opinion which is the point of the commenting section with NO offensive words or name calling.

And I was only defining the word effeminate because that is the word used in the KJV of the Bible that YOU quoted to justify yourself saying the NIV translation was wrong. Either way, I really don't care if you don't believe me or whatever.

But, on a lighter note, I am christian and I heard about the new Gay-friendly version of the Bible which basically changes all the heterosexual relationships mentioned in the Bible to homosexual ones. For example instead of Adam and Eve its now Adam and Steve, instead of Maria and Joseph its Maria and Josephine... What are your thoughts on this? ( Plain curiosity just would like to know your thoughts)

Rick's comment: The allegedly gay friendly Bible featuring Maria and Josephine was satire, a spoof, not serious, a joke. It never happened. It was never published. It does not exist in the real world.

Just wondering: Are Anonymous two cents and Elizabeth the same person?
May 30, 2012
 Effeminate
by: Anonymous

KJV Dictionary Definition: effeminate

EFFEM'INATE, a. L. effoeminatus, from effoeminor, to grow or make womanish, from foemina, a woman. See Woman.

1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.

The king, by his voluptuous life and mean marriage, became effeminate, and less sensible of honor.

2. Womanish; weak; resembling the practice or qualities of the sex; as an effeminate peace; an effeminate life.

3. Womanlike, tender, in a sense not reproachful.

EFFEM'INATE, v.t. To make womanish; to unman; to weaken; as to effeminate children.

EFFEM'INATE, v.i. To grow womanish or weak; to melt into weakness.

In a slothful peace courage will effeminate.

effeminately

EFFEM'INATELY, adv. In a womanish manner; weakly; softly.

1. By means of a woman; as effeminately vanquished.

effeminateness

EFFEM'INATENESS, n. Unmanlike softness.

Rick's comment: For everyone interested in truth about 1 Cor 6:9, I have a short video and two excellent pages of information on the meaning of the Greek word, malakoi - 1, and malakoi - 2, which is translated effeminate in the KJV.

Thoughtful students of the Bible always factor in how Biblical words were used in their Biblical and historical context. If all you do is go to an English dictionary, you will often get the Bible wrong. 1 Corinthians was originally written in koine Greek, not English. Are you at all interested in how Jesus used the Greek word malakoi? If not, why not?

Are any of you willing to memorize and obey 2 Tim 2:15? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
May 30, 2012
 Human thinking vs spiritual thinking - I'm going with spiritual
by: Anonymous

Ephesians 4:17-32 NET - So I say this, and insist in the Lord, that you no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding, being alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardness of their hearts. Because they are callous, they have given themselves over to indecency for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn about Christ like this, if indeed you heard about him and were taught in him, just as the truth is in Jesus. You were taught with reference to your former way of life to lay aside the old man who is being corrupted in accordance with deceitful desires, to be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and to put on the new man who has been created in God’s image – in righteousness and holiness that comes from truth.
Therefore, having laid aside falsehood, each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on the cause of your anger. Do not give the devil an opportunity. The one who steals must steal no longer; rather he must labor, doing good with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with the one who has need. You must let no unwholesome word come out of your mouth, but only what is beneficial for the building up of the one in need, that it may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. You must put away every kind of bitterness, anger, wrath, quarreling, and evil, slanderous talk. Instead, be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ also forgave you.

Rick's comment: What a great passage of scripture! I'm with you! I'm all for spiritual thinking. Gay Christians ARE forgiven, ARE sealed unto the day of redemption.

Thanks for reminding us that bitter angry quarreling evil slanderous accusations against gay Christians are not Christ-like, are not edifying and such talk grieves the Holy Spirit of God.
May 30, 2012
 Repentance and forgiveness
by: Elizabeth

Like I said before, love for one another in its true form is not to condone sin as the Bible has made it known to us, it is through God's grace we are saved, through repentance and turning away from that sin, we are granted forgiveness...

Rick's comment: Enough anti-gay propaganda from you Elizabeth. I deleted most of your comment. We agree on the absolute necessity of getting saved but not on much else. I do hope that you will begin to study the Bible in context, 2 Tim 2:15, so that you can know the truth as it is in Jesus.
May 30, 2012
 after reading these comments
by: someone who did their research

Rick, I will say right now that I applaud you for putting up with this every day. you're truly an inspiration and I'm glad God led me to this site

these people are immature and they wouldn't understand the Bible if God told them the answers to their faces. they kind of remind me of the Pharisees who were so stuck up in their ways that they didn't even notice God in the flesh among them

keep up the good work and God bless
May 31, 2012
 Bible truth
by: Elizabeth

Nothing I said was anti-gay or propaganda Rick. As far as deleting most of my comment it shows you truly aren't interested in Bible truth, just comments that support your true agenda, to support your lifestyle and justify it. You are not interested in anything else the Bible has to say. That says it all. Your heart is hardened and anything I or anyone else that does not believe or accept your agenda is a homophobic hater who is attacking you and is your enemy. That is all that interests you. I won't throw anymore pearls your way least you trample them under your feet and turn and tear me to pieces.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. - Jesus in Matt 7:6

Rick's comment: You're not anti-gay and you're not a homophobic hater BUT you view gay people as swine? Really?
May 31, 2012
 Don't delete people's messages
by: Anonymous

I don't think it's right to delete peoples messages... Let them say what they want to say, then battle their opinions... I am a follower of gay rights but I also believe arguments need to be fair Rick. Don't delete posts.. I have been following this thread for awhile now and would like to know the full view of the antigay Christians.

Rick's comment: Sorry but I'm NOT going to publish the ignorant hateful mean-spirited spiteful rants of anti-gay christians. Most of them are so cowardly and intentionally mean, they will not even put their real name with their rants.

The www is full of that stuff. It is often filthy, almost always nasty and has no place in thoughtful discourse. This website is one of the few gay Christian websites which is Bible-believing, conservative, evangelistic and definitely NOT post-modern, definitely NOT emergent.

I'm not going to allow bigots, haters and ignoramuses unfettered access to GLBTs who are searching for truth and/or following Jesus as His disciples.

I post some anti-gay comments but many reflect angst, bitterness and a desire to wound. I will not post those.

And just for the record, Elizabeth's comment which I deleted was deleted because it taught false doctrine about salvation, not because it was hateful or mean, etc.
May 31, 2012
 Ephesians comment
by: Anonymous

My post earlier about Ephesians 4 was not meant to justify what you are doing. I was pointing out that you are thinking with a human mind. That is why you only read the Bible looking for facts.

Rick's comment: And yet, although you have never studied the verses in the Bible which allegedly clobber gays, you view yourself enough of an expert that you can condemn us as thinking with a human mind while you are thinking with a spiritual mind.

You might slip that sophistry past a baby Christian but those of us who have had our senses exercised by reason of use, Hebrews 5:14, are not so easily fooled.

Yes God does forgive but He also says to turn from that sin and when you go against what He has created and made for a purpose you have sinned.

As for Elizabeth, she did not call you a swine. You took her meaning and that scriptural meaning out if context.

Rick's comment: That is the dumbest thing you've written so far. Have you read Matthew 7:6? Elizabeth applied that to us at this website.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. - Jesus.

I guess I am too much like my mother. I do NOT suffer fools gladly.

You also mentioned to someone else to stop deleting comments that you are not going to post hateful anti-gay comments.

You called us bigots haters and some other hateful things and as far as I could see not all of the commentators were being hateful.

Rick's comment: The only people I called bigots haters, etc. are people who have posted or tried to post comments that fit that description. My, my, aren't you sensitive to be condemning your gay brothers and lesbian sisters and then throwing a hissy fit when you're called on it.

They didn't call you names they just stated their opinion, but your opinion of them is hateful. I'm seeing some contradictions in what you have said on this page and how you have reacted to people commenting.

Rick's comment: You are confused. I am terribly sorry for that. When will you obey 2 Timothy 2:15? When will you live up to your responsibility to deal with scripture in context?
May 31, 2012
 Ephesians
by: Anonymous

By the way your last comment calling us bigots, haters, ignoramuses sounds a lot like "slanderous talk"and sounds kind of "bitter and wrathful" toward the ones who haven't been hateful like Elizabeth and several others who have comment. None of us agree with the ones who have said mean things about gays, but you throw us in with them just because we have different beliefs.
May 31, 2012
 Ephesians
by: Anonymous

John 7:24 NET Bible Do not judge according to external appearance, but judge with proper (honest; Grk: righteous) judgment.

You have made it clear what kind of attitude you have toward people who don't think like you. Not once have I nor people like elizabeth, called you "ignorant" an "ignoramus" a "bigot" but you have no problem calling us those names. Yet you agree with Ephesians 4? Hmm.

Rick's comment: Did it ever occur to you that I am not called a bigot or ignorant or an ignoramus because I know what I'm talking about? Unlike you, I have studied the issues.

Paul tells us that if any among us claiming to be Christ followers, believers, who live in sin, then they are to be judged we are not to judge those outside the faith, but reach out to them in love showing them who Christ is.

Rick's comment: You come to this gay Christian website and judge us as being sinners living in sin. Yet you haven't studied what the Bible says about gays. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're as blind as a bat backing in backwards when it comes to gays and the Bible or marriage and the Bible.

And it annoys you that we don't meekly accept your pontifications or treat with respect your false beliefs which are based on ignorance and lack of study. If that is the attitude you take through life, you're in for lots of angst and disfunction.
May 31, 2012
 two cents
by: Anonymous

no were not the same person just wanted to see your thoughts. But I'm pretty much done trying to share my opinion with you since all you do is offend me. Thanks and God bless.

Rick's comment: Thanks for letting me know you and Elizabeth are not the same poster.
May 31, 2012
 You'll never know the truth in this thread
by: Elizabeth

None of what I said in my deleted comment was hateful, gay-bashing, or inappropriate, or attacked anyone. It was simple, in context, loving, and factual quotes from scripture, but I guess none of you following this thread will ever know for sure. You will only have the one sided bias opinion of one man. God bless you all in your search for truth and Gods perfect peace.

Rick's comment: Just for the record Elizabeth, your post had false teaching about salvation. That is why I did not post it. My other remarks described the content of posts that I deleted because they were not worthy of being online.

Do you really view gay people as swine?
May 31, 2012
 dear anons
by: concerned

please shut up. you're being so immature. don't try to play the victim when it's YOU who attacked Rick's site in the first place

stop acting like children and grow up
Jun 01, 2012
 R
by: Anonymous

Ok listen. Some people in the world believe that liking/loving the same gender is wrong, immoral, a sin, ect. But two things that you guys don't seem to realize is that one there is someone out there for everyone so just let them be happy with there boyfriend or girlfriend as you are with yours. Also, people sin all the time and no one cares. Why? Because it doesn't concern you. It's not hurting you. If your straight, the gays & bisextuals aren't trying to get at you. And if it wasn't for the fact that some people are open about there sexuality we wouldn't know one way or another. Just leave them be. There not hurting anyone.
Thank you for listening, a concerned person.
Jun 01, 2012
 Elizabeth says I took her words out of context - do you agree?
by: Elizabeth

No Rick, I do not consider gay people to be swine, again, you have taken out of context what I have said, as you have done with the scriptures.

Rick's comment: Elizabeth, you presented no in context scriptural argument to support your views. And I took nothing out of context. You are the one who free-quoted Matthew 7:6, where Jesus says not to cast your pearls before swine. In no way did I take your statement out of context.

When God ordains someone to represent Him and His gospel, He holds that individual to a higher standard of strictness when sharing it with others. Paul in all the letters he wrote to the churches talked about this extensively. Romans 16:17-18 says "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." and 2 Timothy 3:13 says "13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." You have taken the gospel and perverted it to support your agenda.

Rick's comment: So untrue, so unloving, so sad. You haven't even bothered to acquaint yourself with the cultural doctrinal historical and religious context of the verses which you feel condemn gays. And from your lack of knowledge, you condemn.

Since this message will probably be deleted as before when I spoke quoted word of truth that exposes you for what you are, this is for you. Repent and turn away from what you are doing. God will not be mocked. I have initiated a prayer vigil for you, that you might be delivered, and those whom you are misleading will have their eyes open to who you are and be able to receive the real truth of the gospel and the freedom it holds for them.

Rick's comment:In 2011, 12 people wrote to let me know they repented and got saved after reading the gospel on my website. So far in 2012, 4 people have written to let me know they repented and got saved after reading the gospel on this website. Since the number of people who contact a website after getting saved is around 1% I believe we are reaching many more people with the life-saving gospel of Jesus Christ every year. Our total number of readers in May 2012 was over 56,000 in 180 countries.

Again may God give everyone who truly seeks an understanding of God, find the truth and peace He has for you.
Jun 02, 2012
 hell in the old testament?
by: ACH

While i do know hell is mentioned in the old testament, the jewish torah which christianity started from, does not believe in a hell and they do not beleive in an eternal form of punishment they believe in Olam Ha Ba and Gehenna, it is believed that the word for hell in the old testament is mistranslated based on the fact that the jews do not believe in an eternal punishment for sins, your link only showed kjv, idk if you looked but niv bible does not have hell in the old testament

Rick's comment: Jesus was God in the flesh, 1 Tim 3:16. The law came from His hand, Exodus 31:18, Luke 11:20. Jesus in His earthly ministry affirmed Jewish belief that hell is real by mentioning it 20 of the 23 times hell is mentioned in the New Testament.

That the NIV does not have hell in the Old Testament is a good reason to get a much more accurate Bible, the old KJV. Discover what else the NIV left out at: NIV leaves out lots of truth.
Jun 03, 2012
 The doctrine of hell is progressively revealed in the Bible
by: ACH

Exodus does not give any punishment besides being put to death, why is that? because the jews do not have a hell. The books written about the life of Jesus are not eye witness accounts, to me it does not make sense that God/Jesus would create hell and not create a word for it but instead use a pagan word. it is impossible to know what he really said because the books written about Jesus's life are not eye witness accounts. The KJV contains many mistranslated words thats why they create new bibles because they discover new translations for words that they did not previosly know the best translation for.

Rick's comment: ACH, three of the four gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke, were written by eye-witnesses and two of those, Matthew and John, were integral parts of Jesus' earthly ministry.

Mark is probably the young man who fled naked in Mark 14:51-52. So while he was not an integral part of the ministry of Jesus, he did personally observe Jesus.

Luke may not have been an eye-witness of Jesus' earthly ministry although the record of history is not absolutely clear on that. Some Christians believe that Luke was one of the 70 called and sent by Jesus, Luke 10:1ff. Luke is the only writer of a gospel who mentions the 70.

If Luke was one of the 70 then he too was an eyewitness of the earthly ministry of Jesus. It is important to remember 2 Tim 3:16-17, that all scripture is given by inspiration of God so that we can trust what the Bible says.
Jun 05, 2012
 Incest and sex with animals - sin or not?
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 18 lists all sexual impurities, things God told his people not to do. If having sex with a man as with a woman (homosexuality) is not a sin, then do you think incest and having sexual intercourse with animals is not a sin? Because they are listed together under sexual immorality.

Rick's comment: Well, in context, Lev 18 deals with things God forbad for the children of Israel 3450 years ago as they prepared to enter the Promised Land and live under the Law.

I deal with incest in the Biblical context here: Marriage in the Bible and with beastiality on the Beastiality page.
Jun 06, 2012
 You are WRONG
by: Anonymous

You say that the Bible never says homosexuality is wrong? I can show several scriptures from LITERALLY dozens of translations....even DIRECT Hebrew from the Torah and Greek from the New Testament.

God is Holy and pure, He is the Author of creation! Only God is the Creator. satan has NO powers of creation. he can only pervert what already exists. God created sex to be a sacred act between a man and a woman. The marital structure of a husband and wife is an earthly metaphor for Christ and the Church (the Bride of Christ). And same-sex relationships is a clear perversion of something God holds as sacred. It is because of your own selfishness and fear that you do not accept this.

ANY version of the Bible (other than that of a completely manipulated translation for personal agendas) will show homosexuality as wrong. Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; and of course the one you dispute...1 Corinthians 6:9...there are others I can bring, but I am limited to 3000 characters. God loves you, so severely, but sin cannot dwell in His presence!!!!

Rick's comment: Time to get a clue darlin' - ripping verses out of context to prove your views is neither spiritual nor Christian.
Jun 06, 2012
 Rick Brentlinger is an anti-christ
by: Packer

All my life I have been taught that I was a child of God placed here on earth in a probation state. That agency was given me as a sacred right by my father in heaven a right he himself will not breach. I am taught and recieve examples as I grew some good others not so. I am here to learn good from evil and with the embedded light of heaven to guide me I am expected to choose the right and model my life on the savior who gave his life to satisfy the demands of justice on the condition of my repentance. God owns all things and has power over all things but he does not own my agency.

He gave it to me! Frankly it is the only thing that I can give back to him, it actually represents the full me!

He is very clear through his prophets what constitutes sin, he has given us the moral law in that a man leave his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife. That is the moral law any deviation from that is what it is deviate behavior. Issa I think in the third chapter speaks of the deviancy of homosexuality and it reminded me of the movie Philidelphia when he said that "their sin shall be upon their countenance and refers to this condition as the sin of Sodom"

I personally believe Mr Brentlinger is an anti Christ who is calling evil good and good evil thereby becoming an anti Christ a very serious position to be in. There is no sin in same sex attraction only in entering the union forbidden by the lord in the strongest terms. It is a dreadful dark and dreary world we have to navigate through and these human weaknesses need to be met head on.

The great theologen Bonhoffer complained about his Lutheran religious leaders for introducing cheap grace and placing the spiritual life's of millions in danger. His argument was and still is solid "how can grace be cheap when it cost the Almighty God his only begotten son"

I implore all men to come to Christ and be perfected in him and to be aware of men who set themselves up as interpreters of scripture to suit themselves and "speak deceits and smooth things to the fathers children".

I suppose there are people who try to justify the sexual abuse of children because "god made me like this" No No No, The only way is through for all our problems and let our hearts ache as we wait upon the Lord to see our dilemma and by his grace perhaps deliver us from the pain. Our most reliable tutor. Blessings to all.

Rick's comment: You compare gays to child molesters and close with, Blessings to all? How loving of you. NOT!
Jun 06, 2012
 Gospel authorship
by: ACH

Luke's authorship is unknown...

Rick's comment: ACH - I deleted the rest of your comment. I've been more than patient with you yet I'm not going to allow you to continue posting misinformation about the authorship of the Gospels.

If you disagree fine and dandy but this thread of comments is supposed to deal with 1 Cor 6:9 and the false teaching that gays go to hell. Please, let's try to keep it on topic.
Jun 06, 2012
 Great message!
by: Linda

This is a very good message. I personally am not in favour of gay lifestyles but sin does not send you to hell, only rejecting Jesus as your saviour. Those Christians who condemn gay people to hell are not showing the love and tolerance Jesus had. His harshest words were for the religious leaders who rejected him and put stumbling blocks in people's path to heaven, not for poor sinners.
Jun 06, 2012
 Just my thoughts
by: ACH

1 Corinthians 6:9 is strange that it refers to men only and not women so i believe it is more likely to refer to male prostitution then homosexual sex. just my thoughts
Jun 11, 2012
 By the way...
by: Anonymous

Homosexuality is a sin. Is it our place to say ANYONE is going to hell? No. Being gay is a sin in God's eyes, watching something you should is a sin in God's eyes, fornication is just a sin in God's eyes.

Rick's comment: No dear, one's innate sexual orientation is NOT a sin. Please do more Bible study, 2 Tim 2:15, and ALWAYS interpret scripture in context. It's a sin to take verses out of context and act like they mean something out of context that they didn't mean in context.
Jun 11, 2012
 Think about this
by: Michael Ramirez

What are we saying here people???? I understand that homosexuality is a sin. I agree, but we dont have the right to say that they are going to hell or not. I think homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes but is there any levels of sin?

Rick's comment: Why do you think that when no verse of scripture IN CONTEXT says that?

If someone is watching something they should, thinking something they shouldn't, talking about something they should, it's a sin in God's eyes. Its not our job to say anyone is going to heaven or hell!
Jun 12, 2012
 homosexuals in heaven or hell?
by: Anonymous

Lev 18:22, 20:13 Deut 23:17 I Tim 1:10 II Tim 2:19-22 Rom 1:24-27 Jude 7-8

Rick's comment: We take these verses seriously in context. But when you rip them out of context and apply them to gays, we laugh at your mind-numbing ignorance.

If one takes these Scriptures seriously, homosexuality will be recognized as an evil.
Man has free will to obey the word of God, or seek justifications for their actions. Once saved, (by grace) as born again Christians, we have the responsibility to live our life doing His will.

Let us all do His Will and not our will, because our ways are not His ways. 1 Peter 1:16 Because it is written, Be you holy; for I am holy

Rick's comment: Why are you too lazy to study, 2 Tim 2:15? There is nothing holy about ripping verses out of context and then misapplying the out of context verses to gays.

If you are saved (and that's a BIG if), you will one day stand before the judgment seat of Christ and give account. Shame on you for ripping verses out of context and then blasting your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.
Jun 13, 2012
 Romans 1:21-28
by: ACH

When i was reading this i got the impresion that Paul is says God made them gay for not respectig him, is that a rightful interpretaion, im having trouble understanding this because Paul says God gave them over to shameful lust. I do not believe God makes people sin, to me that just doesnt make any sense.

and when he said they went against nature to me isnt exactly used to be hurtful, to me i do believe that it is kind of accurate since naturally man hase a penis and women have a vagina and are naturally opposite so they can naturally reproduce. so when a man and man or woman and woman have sex it is unatural in the way that it does not equal reproduction. but also i belive that nature is anything and everything that exist and created by God, so it is kind of impossible for something to be unatural. and also nature is kinda relavtive.

To me it makes me think God deliberatly made them gay? is that what is being described as happening? im confused about this chapter.

Rick's comment: These videos may help you sort things out.

Romans 1 video

Leviticus 18:22 video
Jun 17, 2012
 open ur eyes dont be fool
by: Anonymous

I am sorry, in matthew bible clearly says homos dont go to heaven, i do believe god made adam and eve in the garden of eden, not adam and steve.

what ever u homo priest are teaching people that gays go to heaven all ur doing is bringing them to hell w u if u dont repeant from being a homo

just because ur gay all ur doing is adding and taking words from bible and bible cleary says those people will never enter gates of heaven so repeant, yes i am sorry homo do go to hell if they dont go straight

Rick's comment: Please, in the future, DO NOT post here while you are drunk. Many thanks.
Jun 27, 2012
 Entering gates of Heaven
by: ACH

you are correct when you say gays do not go to heaven becuase in the bible and christian religion heaven is not the final destination in the christian religion we do not belive we go to heaven when we die but await judgement before we can enter into paradise which is the next world, becuase heaven and earth will pass away. and heaven is were God and his angels exist.

Rick's comment: ACH, dear soul - you are confused. Christians do not believe and the Bible does not teach what you said. I encourage you to get saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. Jesus is your only hope.
Jul 11, 2012
 Just Love and Pray
by: Torri

The Bible also tells us Who are you to judge another man's servant? -Romans 14:10 and that we "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another -Romans 13:8. It is not our job to judge what is right and wrong in another's life, when we ourselves fall short. But when you see your brother or sister in Christ falling short of the glory of God according to his word, you just need to love them. As my pastor says, you gotta Love the HELL OUT OF THEM!

Let your light shine, and pray for them that God manifests himself in that person's life. You can not sit here and condemn people believing that this will change them. Remember - All fall short of the glory of God. I Love Ya'll!

Rick's comment:And tell others about salvation in Jesus - learn how to witness for your Savior.
Jul 15, 2012
 Yes queers/homo's go to hell
by: Anonymous

Homosexuality is a sin and sin still sends you to hell. Leviticus 20:13 KJV "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Twist that around to say it is not a sin, it is pretty straightly put.

Rick's comment: I'm not sure which is more disconcerting, your blind ignorance or your mean spirit under the guise of telling the truth.

I'm not a betting man but I'd be willing to bet you have no idea which Hebrew words are used or what the context was or what Moses and God originally meant. That's a shame because it traps you into ignorance.
Jul 21, 2012
 Not all gays are evil and not all straights are God's people.
by: Anonymous

Straight people and gay people, lesbians and bis: they all have this in common! God created them all and God loves them. If you are straight, you have sinned in your life. If you are gay, you have sinned in your life. Lesbian or bi or whatever, we have all sinned.

But Jesus came to pay for our sins. He has forgiven those who repent and trust Him as their Savior. So if you say they all go to hell, only based off of your own prejudice, then you are sinning. You can't judge someone based off of what you think is right, when the reality is that Jesus died for gays, for bisexuals, for you.

People have theories as to how gay people turn gay, when in reality, most of us were born gay. Some just have experiences with gay life as kids and think they are but they aren't.

Not all homosexuals are bad just like not all heterosexuals are good. People need to learn that God loves all. "For God so loved the world, that He gave unto us His only Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16.

Rick's comment: Everyone should take the Good Person test.
Jul 21, 2012
 Do obese people go to hell?
by: Angelica

On my first note I would like to say that yes, being homosexual is in fact a sin. There is NO denying it. Therefore, sin is sin. All sins are equal and no sin is looked upon as worse. An earlier comment from a pastor said that if you die in sin you go to hell.

I do not agree. Lying is a sin, adultery, cussing, gluttony etc. so does that mean that an obese person that dies is going to hell? Does this mean that a person who died and had not come clean about a lie told is in hell? I don't believe so.

Our society has made homosexuality out to be this horrible thing when in reality there are FAR worse sins if you ask me.

I have given my life to Christ and KNOW I am His. I am also in a committed relationship with another girl.

I don't believe that our sovereign God would pick and choose which sins to be worse. Especially after His word says all sins are equal. If you are going to condemn homosexuals to hell, then please condemn all other sinners as well. Thanks.

Rick's comment: May I kindly encourage you to read through this website? There is no reason for a saved gal to live under false condemnation about being in a lesbian relationship.
Jul 22, 2012
 Don't change my title
by: Angelica

Rick, I have read your site and agree. I was simply communicating my thoughts with close minded people who are condemning.

Rick's comment: Thanks for clarifying that Angelica. You stated: "being homosexual is in fact a sin. There is NO denying it."

That statement is not factually correct according to the Bible. That is why I encouraged you to read through this website. It is not a sin to be homosexual and it is not a sin to be in a committed gay or lesbian relationship.

I change titles sometimes to more closely match what is in the comment. If the title does not reflect some aspect of what is in the comment, it does not rank as well in the search engines.
Jul 23, 2012
 With a change of heart comes a change in lifestyle
by: Anonymous

You're absolutely right that salvation is offered to homosexuals just like it is anyone else. The problem with continuing to live in a homosexual lifestyle after professing Christ as your savior is that, if someone has really accepted Christ as their savior, they make him Lord of their life, which means submitting their life to scripture and Biblical teachings.

The Bible condemns homosexuality in both the old and new testaments, along with many other sexual sins. If someone is truly saved, then he or she will have the Holy Spirit, and will be convicted of a homosexual lifestyle, as is the same with any sin. If I say I'm a Christian, but my life is still full of the same sins it was before I was a Christian, with no repentance, what makes me any different from anyone else?

The Bible calls us to stand apart from the world, not be of the world. The apostle Paul says to be alive in Christ is to be dead to sin, and asks how can we live in sin if we're dead to it? With acceptance of Christ comes a change in our heart, and a change in our heart results in a change in our ways. Our lifestyle is a reflection of the change within us: a good tree bears good fruit. Jesus himself says, "not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matt 7:21).

The reason for that isn't that Jesus rejects some people's decision to follow him, it's that some people say they want to follow him without actually doing so. We don't say we love Jesus and not care about his teachings and continue to fulfill the desires of the flesh, whatever the issue may be.

Rick's comment: I don't know if you're a Calvinist or a Lordship Salvationist but they often resort to your line of attack, namely: If you don't agree with our interpretation, then you must not be "truly saved."

Yes, people do change when they repent of their sins and get saved. But salvation does not change one's innate sexual orientation. When you couple getting saved with "you gotta stop being gay," you've gone far beyond what the Bible says.

May I kindly ask: Have you noticed that your proud judgmental heart hasn't changed much since you got saved?

Just for the record, in Matthew 19:10-12, Jesus exempted gay people from the Adam and Eve, male + female marriage paradigm.

In closing, may I encourage you to memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15? 'Nuff said.
Jul 29, 2012
 shame on the gays
by: Douglas B

The word of GOD clearly calls homosexuality an
abomination so please do not lie to yourselves
and say that it says anything but that.

Rick's comment: Wow Douglas, thanks for stopping by to share your ignorance. Did it ever occur to you to study and get the facts before you form a conclusion?

I've got 787 pages of FREE information on this website so that TRUTH is available if you're honest enough to receive it. Your assignment for this week is:

1. I will read and study and base my beliefs on facts, not on the prejudiced opinion of someone else who refuses to study.

2. I will memorize 2 Timothy 2:15 and obey it on every issue related to what the Bible says.

3. I will remember that I am a fallible human being who has been wrong in the past; therefore in the future I will be swift to hear and slow to speak until I have the facts rights.
Jul 31, 2012
 I can't change who I am.
by: Cameron J.

I'm aware that I am gay. I'm 14 years old and I know I can't change. All I ever wanted was change. I'm just so lost. I can't enjoy a single day without feeling sorry for myself. How come homosexuality is a sin that you can't change? If you can change it, then explain to me how!

Rick's comment: Hi Cameron - I'm sorry to hear the despair in your comment because God has wonderful blessing and great joy for you when you believe in Jesus. You CAN know for SURE that you are saved and in right relationship with God. AND God does not ask you to change your innate sexual orientation to be right with Him. Click on The Good Person Test on my NavBar for a great explanation of how to get saved.

Cameron's comment: My opinion on homosexuality is that from the day you were born, your fate was sealed. Homosexuality is something you don't have control over, many people I know think that you have no choice but to sit and wait for Judgement day to come and take your punishment.

Rick's comment: Cameron, God loves you SO MUCH that Jesus died in your place, as your Substitute. Jesus has already paid the penalty for your sins. If you'd like to be saved, God will save you when you repent of your sins and believe on Jesus as your Savior.

Cameron's comment: It's not fair!!! My life is pointless. Why not just finish me off? Why let me suffer with that thought? I feel like I'm already going through hell.

Rick's comment: Cameron, God will bless your life and give you a heart full of joy. Please don't let temporary despair rob you of inner peace. We have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus died for you and rose from the dead so you would know that God accepted Jesus' payment for your sins.

Please explore this website and let the love and power of God reassure you that you are loved and that God intends to bless you. I'm praying for you and so will other gay Christians who read this. Be strong and God will work things out.
Aug 01, 2012
 Someone has poisoned the water hole!
by: Stewie griffin

I know that no one likes to talk about this, but does anyone remember history class? In the fourth and fifth centuries, the catholic church removed certain books from the collective bible based on what they thought was true scripture. If all points and counter points on this site are based on the redacted version, then they are all moot.

Am I saying that I don't believe the bible is a wonderful tool to use when deciding how to live? Of course not. It is filled with sound advice, or commandments if you are into the hell fire and brimstone thing....

Rick's comment: Stewie, I encourage you to read a Bible Introduction book or better yet, get the John MacArthur NKJV Study Bible AND the John MacArthur one volume Bible commentary. Best prices for those are on Amazon or occasionally you can find used copies on Craigslist at a bargain price.

Your views on the Bible are not supported by the facts of history. I think you may be positively delighted in this instance, to discover that you are wrong and that God has spiritual riches and great blessing for you when you believe His written words in the Bible. Many thanks for stopping by. I am thankful for guys like you who are searching for truth.
Aug 02, 2012
 pues leye
by: elquesabunpocomasquetu

ok, so you don't trust anyother bible than the king james version. (which i think your an idiot, God forgive me but its true) well here is the verses from king james version. Homosexuality is against the will of God. but then here read this for your self. but do note that God does forgive, that does not mean that you should continue in the sin, that is why you repented and then again what does the word repent mean? "to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one's life for the better;" note change. ok. got it from the dictionary. not making this up. and well heres this passage i said to read: Romans 1
(continued)
Aug 06, 2012
 Im going to Heaven
by: Adam

I am a gay man who has been hiding it my whole life. I am not out to my family but have come out to a few friends this summer. My story is a "typical" gay story, Im sure.

I am a Christian and do believe, I will go to Heaven and spend eternity with my friends and family that has gone before me. I believe, you are born either gay or heterosexual. Being gay is a very difficult life because of all the hatred in this world. Why would I choose to be gay, in such a SAD world.

I believe, God understands the difficulties and sadness that we gays endure on a daily basis. With this said, why would we go to hell? I don't believe this is possible, if you have Jesus Christ in your heart and in your life!!!!

Rick's comment: Good point Adam. When we trust by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone for our salvation, God saves us eternally, places us into the body of Christ and guarantees our salvation,Eph 1:13-14. It's the BEST deal anywhere!
Aug 07, 2012
 are homosexuals heading to hell?
by: patrick

I am not here to judge or tell you exactly what u desire to hear.its not up to me or u or politicians or presidents or the public to decide your fate when it comes to homosexuality .the bible clearly confirms that homosexuality is an abomination. The book of jude (1:6-7) states that sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed as an example and they (those committing sins against nature,homosexuals) are kept in an eternal fire.furthermore, the book of Leviticus (chap 18) states that those engaging in such activities ( homosexuality) must be stoned to death. In addition, GOD DID NOT CREATE 2 ADAMs OR 2 EVEs RATHER HE CREATED ONLY ONE OF EACH KIND.sorry to say if you are involving or practicing homosexuality hell is your reward and as well your eternal dwelling place.DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY SATAN AND LIES FROM HOMOSEXUALS. THANK YOU
READ THE BIBLE!

Rick's comment: Hey Patrick, you're a smart guy in other areas of your life but your understanding of what the Bible says about gays is seriously deficient. I provide lots of detailed information on this website about the scripture passages you mentioned.

Are you willing to obey 2 Tim 2:15 and take another look at what the Bible says in context? Check out my NavBar under, What The Bible Says, and you may be surprised at what you discover. Many thanks.
Aug 07, 2012
 gay christians?
by: patrick

Sad to read gay Christians.there isn't such a thing as gay Christians.its like putting in the same basket hell-heaven, light -darkness, saved-unsaved, satan-archange Michael.if you practice homosexuality read jude 1:6-7

Rick's comment: Patrick, did you read my Jude page? I quoted many anti-gay conservative Christian commentators. They all agree, Jude is NOT about gays and lesbians. The link is on my NavBar.
Aug 07, 2012
 It is not for mankind to judge
by: Someone

Even though I am not leaning towards the homosexuality appeal, I believe that a person has no right to judge another to hell. It states somewhere in the Bible that the true Judge is the Lord Himself, and mankind is not worthy to condemn. Maybe God actually has a purpose for the queers (not meant in an offensive term). Whatsoever, it is solely up to God as whether man/woman goes to hell or heaven.

PS: Just because you claim to be a Christian doesn't mean you will go to heaven. You must act like His followers. Believe it or not, God hates ignorance, yet still forgives.
Aug 09, 2012
 This is the deaal.
by: Anonymous

So, there are many comments that have been posted in response to this entry. Well I guess I'm just going to say what I think based off of my beliefs. I'm a newly baptized Christian. I've been in the Christian church for 3 years now and throughout that time I can say that I have grown immensely in my faith. Because of this faith that I have been blessed with, I truly believe that God's grace can save ANYONE.

Some people claim that lusting for the body of the SAME SEX means that you're immoral and going to hell. well in the bible it is also said that when you LUST in GENERAL, it is considered to be immoral. Lust is one of the seven deadly sins. If a straight man lusted for a woman, would he not go to hell as well?

If a person who practices fornication with the opposite sex and he repents, isn't he saved by the Grace of God? If this is so, then why aren't homosexuals? God is an all knowing God. He knows the past, present and future. Back when the bible was written I'm sure he would have made it a point to get "He who falls in love with a person of the same sex and lives their lives for them and only them in holy matrimony shall go to hell" in the bible.

Those who have sex on a daily basis without being married are considered to be sinner and are therefore destined for hell. That includes homosexuals and heterosexuals. The only way people become saved is by accepting and believing that Jesus Christ died for us. God sacrificed his one and ONLY son for the lives of us sinners. EVERYONE IS A SINNER.

So it angers me that homosexuals are singled out just because these old fashion type religious leaders can't handle living in a world that is CHANGING, every single day. I'm 18 years old and my sexuality shouldn't have anything to do with the love I have for God. Its like I said before, whether I'm straight or a lesbian or bi, if I'm out there sinning without believing that Jesus died for my sins, then I'm going to hell. If I believe that Jesus died for me and I'm straight or any of the other, then I'm going to heaven.

People may disagree, but to be honest I've decided not to care anymore. My faith is so strong that I know I'm going to heaven. People aren't God. So why should homosexuals believe in the opinions of those who are close minded?
Aug 13, 2012
 facepalms part 2
by: Katelyn

I seriously do not see a whole lot of this in the Kristian protestors these days in fact i doubt any of them even open their bibles they just sit on a shelf collecting dust while they go off quoting words that their buddies told them once and they beleived were in there, but little do they know that even when things are mentioned in the old testament time and again god changed the rules

look at eunichs, in deuteronomy they are not to enter the house of god, later in isaiah he says they will recieve better than a namesake in the kingdom of god. kinda says that all things that apply once dont always apply later and if homosexuality was to be considered a sin still dont you think Christ would have directly said so or even went so far as to say that specific mosaic laws were still to be followed?

And yea yea i know the blah blah God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve speech but ya know maybe just maybe the idea there was to get the population going and once it was off to a good start than it wasnt such a bad thing i mean God did say go forth and populate the earth.

not to over populate it, maybe gays are gods answer to the insane amount of people on the earth (7 billion now) along with major incurable diseases, and people being born sterile and yet if those sterile people cant make babies, does that mean they going to hell cus they cant contribute to the over population of the earth?

man you would have to be stupid to believe that and i have to say i hope that one day you people pull your heads out of your butts and actually learn about the faith you falsly claim and learn about Gods love and spread it like you are supposed to instead of spreading your hatred with your bearing false witness.

in the meantime ill continue to pray for your lost souls in hopes that you will open your eyes and hearts. May you find the lord and be at peace. and as for the author of this article, it is wonderful that you are spreading Gods love to a fragile group of people who need to hear that he indeed loves them when they hear so constantly that he doesnt and thus turn their backs on him. Bless you
Aug 25, 2012
 read this if it dont fix this problem we the church just sad! !!!!!
by: Anonymous

I'm a 33 yr old Pastor Prophet God called me at 6 yrs old Jesus said stop stoning people with your mouth YE WITH OUT SIN CAST THE 1ST STONE who are I to say can get into my house. Do u want me to let u in I said don't judge I mean don't judge I'm people are hurting and u are pushing them away from your blood will be on your hands I died was that not enough I see u all day every day I'm watching when u don't even thank I'm watching I saw what u did. Last night I saw what u did I made it for u to see this and u got the nerve to run and hurt my people who into them who into then who into them that scatter my flock I am he that will open the scrolls and he alone let me be God and u be a servant I am God all by my self I didn't need your help if America don't repent for judgment in my church I will smite the. With my strong hand I'm showing signs all over earth air fire water

Rick's comment: Sweetie, that sounds like a rant, not a message from the living God of the Bible. Sorry but I don't buy your assertion that you're a prophet even if you do claim to be on our side.
Aug 26, 2012
 REPENT OR PERISH
by: SCOTT

hey rick you going to argue with GOD too at the judgment when he tells you homosexuality is a sin?be not deceived GOD is not mocked those that sow to the flesh shall reap corruption those that sow to the spirit shall reap everlasting life.unless ye repent ye shall all likewise perish.go ahead and live in your homosexual SIN!! but dont expect to get into HEAVEN.we all have this life on earth to be saved and turn from sin. when you leave this life if you were totally wrong about the way you lived your life on earth well guess what? there are no do overs once you leave this life.and hell is real and forever.you burn alive 24/7 and your body is never consumed by the flames.and you will be cut off from GOD and all human contact forever!!!people in my church have seen people on their death beds and scream out that they can feel the flames of hell at their feet. so you know those people werent lying! and they screamed out no dont let me go to hell!!!!get saved today because you could die tomorrow!

Rick's comment: Scott, I wish people like you would obey 2 Tim 2:15 and STUDY instead of simply parroting the views of someone else who refuses to study the Bible in context.

I am washed in the blood of the Lamb - Romans 5:9, already seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus - Ephesians 2:6, kept by the Holy Spirit until the Rapture - Ephesians 1:13-14.

Your idiotic idea that if we don't agree on the gay issue, I must be unsaved, reflects your ignorance of scripture and your proud arrogant heart. I encourage you to grow up spiritually. Isn't it time you developed grace toward your gay brothers and lesbian sisters in Christ? We are part of the family of God, we will be at the marriage supper of the Lamb and we will be with you in heaven for eternity.
Aug 27, 2012
 God is God can and God will
by: Anonymous

I love u with the love Jesus I care less what u believe revive a prophet being a prophet u will receive a prophets reward I pray that. U just repent into God my friend look at what's going on in the world Katrina hit August 29 2005 now we are running again the same week 7 yrs later the pic 3 numbers last night was 777 in new Orleans mushrooms are popin up all over here laike never before mana from heaven u know God is more God then u ever learned him to be and yes I do have the title prophet in front my name but I'm just a sinner justified by faith through my lord Jesus Christ and I'm not on no ones side but Jesus my friend sin is sin and your belief is your belief trust God u going to need it now u didn't test me u tested God may God have mercy on your soul

Rick's comment: Your schtick is stale. You are no more a prophet of God than a fence post is a prophet of God. God's prophets were not Anonymous people spouting vague generalities.

You've been deceived by an unclean spirit - read 2 Corinthians 11. I encourage you to obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and start living in the real world. Spiritual deception is SO 1990s.
Aug 28, 2012
 Believing Your Own Hype
by: Nikki

I am so sick of people who consider themselves Christians constantly coming down on others and turning up their noses. Christians need to be mindful about how their actions impact others. It seems that many who claim to be christians are not very accepting of others. They seem to demonstrate a limited capacity to love unconditionally unless it is fitting for them.

The Bible says, For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son. That WHOMSOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. See, the key word seems to be WHOMSOEVER. That is the most powerful word in that doctrine. Just because I am not a homosexual does not make my sin any less than someone else...that is if homosexuality whatever the form may be is a sin at all. When Jesus came here he showed love and compassion for others. He did not like how those who were considered to be leaders religious or otherwise had rules for others but made themselves exceptions to what they felt was the norm.

I mean hey Jesus was a Jew and not a christian. Does that buy us a one way ticket to the Hell Express cause we don't practice what many recognize as the true religion? Hey we come packed with pagan holidays and so forth. I can name many cause the kids get those breaks during the school year. The topic of homosexuality was NEVER an issue for Jesus. I know of many guys and girls from the church who club and fight during the week and weekends, backing that thing up. But will wake up on Sunday to sing on the choir...Hallelujah.

Seriously, why do many worry about what someone else is doing when our own backyards stink from here to high heaven? If two gay people are a couple and productive in society, they have a loving lasting relationship what business is it of yours whether or not they are going to heaven or hell? Keep track of your own dirty laundry and stop worrying about someone else's wash. Growing up I was taught to dislike gays. I was taught it was ok to beat up and pick on them. I didn't say anything to take up for them, that they recruit and will molest your kids but I have done research.

No one who was gay ever molested me. That was done by a heterosexual and a close one of the family like many I know who it has happened to. They don't recruit or push themselves on anyone no more than a heterosexual who flirts with me while I'm walking down the street. Atleast they don't mind still being my friend. The heterosexual gets angry and tell untrue stories when turned down.

And if all of you non gays are so perfect and are following ALL of the rules of the Bible then why do you go to church? Church is not for those who got it together, it is for those who are broken and need social supports. Other than that you are believing in your own hype. Lol.

Rick's comment: Hi Nikki, long time since we were in touch. Hope you're well and enjoying living for Jesus. Thanks for stopping by and for commenting.
Aug 31, 2012
 Clarifications...
by: GD

I was born in Christian family. Based on my family beliefs I always attended all the christian activities actively and I always took part in lot of things. I am a person who believes in Jesus.

When I was a child I did not know the clear idea about sin, but I knew my sexual orientation. I was never influenced by anyone that's for sure, but I knew who I really was. I was always attracted to man but I was afraid to disclose. I never knew there are people existing like me who also have the same orientation. I did not change my sexual orientation just because I wanted to be a gay. I was always thinking something was wrong in me.

Lot of people condemn homosexuals, I do not know why? People who condemn homosexuality mostly they are straights. They are attracted to woman but not to man. They do not know what gay people go through. I so wish I was born as a straight like one of those. But again I am not upset I was born this way.

Based on Bible teachings, straight guys are happy because they can get married to women and complete their sexual desires. How about people like me?? I cannot have sex with woman, it sounds awful to me, it is something which I cannot do ever in my life. How my sexuality is gonna get justified. Is their any remedies for it? E.G Now, let me believe the teachings of those straight faithful preachers, saying homosexual is sin, how am I gonna survive my life? Human being is a sexual being without sex it is difficult to survive. Even those faithful preachers they are having sex with their wives regularly that's how they are able to move on with their lives. I so wish they understand what gay people go through within. I would appreciate if they study about them rather than just condemning....If homosexual is really sin, then I must say, I am born as a curse. Tell me I need an answer..Can someone explain to me about my life.... I have done M.Th (Master of Theology)..I know God's word very well...but still I am struggling which no faithful preachers know about....who can explain this to me???? I might live my life without having sex with men but that doesn't change who really I am. I know I am a man who likes man...no matter whether I have sex with man or not..the truth doesn't change...how it is gonna be justified....????? Please do not simply blame or condemn anyone..... I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF ANYONE HAS AN ANSWER..PLEASE ANSWER ME BASED ON MY LIFE...DO NOT ANSWER ME JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW FEW SCRIPTURE PORTIONS IN THE BIBLE..... THANKS

Rick's comment: Hi GD, this entire website helps to answer your questions. I hope you will read our Gay Christian FAQ since it also contains valuable answers. God bless you dear brother!
Aug 31, 2012
 WWJD
by: Anonymous

I find it very sad that people who follow a religion lead by a man who preached love and tolerance are some of the most intolerant and hateful people. This is not my opinion of them it is just a conclusion drawn from rhetoric, read and heard. Now if it is inferred that homosexuality is a sin because God said not to lay with man as woman and not to spill seed, then it's kind of sexist since woman can do neither. He didn't tell woman not to lay together and we have no seed to spill, so I'm guessing since God would be fair and treat all humans equal he wasn't speaking to homosexuality. It is amazing to me that every hater can find a bible quote to justify their hate. Maybe it should be called "Justify your hate with the book of love". Live and let live people. Worry about your own sad situation and stop using your fear to try and run other peoples lives. You are supposed to believe in a man who died for the sins of others and you repay that sacrifice by persecuting the tolerant and anyone different from yourselves. Can you say hypocrite?
Sep 04, 2012
 God's love is abundant for all of us
by: Jesuslovesusall

I am a christian and I believe gods love is abundant and he loves us all. When I realized I was gay I was not sure what to do. My parents are strong anti-gay christians and I always thought maybe if I tried hard enough I would have some attraction to woman.

It did not work and for a few months I thought I was filled with some devil. I prayed to God every night, that he would help me overcome my struggle. I believe anyone who accepts Christ as their Savior AND receives Him, will go to heaven.

Through out my childhood I was deathly scared that God would punish me for my acts and send me to a lake of fire where I would burn forever. No I have not told my parents, but I have learned to accept my homosexuality and I believe there is hope for everyone.

Rick's comment: John 3:15-18 is just as true for gays as it is for non-gays. Getting saved results in forgiveness of sins, justification by faith and eternal life in heaven with Jesus. Nowhere in the Bible does God promise to change our innate sexual orientation.

I hope everyone who reads this will click on, The Good Person Test on the NavBar. Isn't it time you MADE SURE that you are saved?
Sep 04, 2012
 you are wrong
by: Anonymous

God said its not good for man to be alone and did not create another Adam for the first Adam but Eve for Adam. God destroyed sodom and gomorrah because the men wanted to sleep with the men who visited lot. you do not understand the Bible

Rick's comment: God's purpose in Genesis was to tell us what happened, NOT to forbid and outlaw gay relationships.

God made His decision to destroy Sodom before the angels ever visited Sodom.

If you are interested in truth, you can read about Adam and Eve and Sodom on my website. Just click on the NavBar links. I do hope you will keep reading and studying. Please do NOT assume that you know it all when really, you haven't even bothered to study these issues yet.
Sep 06, 2012
 Bum bandits and rent boys
by: Mr Dunne

NO, gay boys, batty boys, faggots, bum bandits and aids infested rent boys will NOT I repeat will NOT be going to heaven any time soon. They are all on a 1 way trip to HELL along with Ginger people and obese bastards. Amen. WritersCafe. Org / MrDunne

Rick's comment: Wow, I think the full moon is past and yet you favored us with your goofy comment. How thoughtful of you! NOT. I hope people do not treat you with the callous disregard with which you treat us.
Sep 07, 2012
 to Mr. Dunne
by: Anonymous

Mr. Dunne, Get a life. Quit spreading your hatred and disdain for others to the masses. I hope your backyard is 100% tip top. But looking at the comments you just made, it's highly unlikely. SMDH.
Sep 07, 2012
 LOL
by: Anonymous

LOL, dude, I am reading what you said above LOL, I can so see you gay, haha, so sarcastic, and biatchy, hahaha...

Obviously, homosexuality is NOT a choice, ONLY homosexuals will actually KNOW that.

BUT THE MAIN THING FROM MY INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE, IS NOT BASED ON RULES, AND BASED ON IF YOU HAVE DONE THIS, OR DONE THAT, OR IF YOU ARE THIS, ETC... IT IS IF YOU BELIEVE AND HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR...

If it was based on rules and regulations, we'll all go to hell, as Jesus said Himself, "no one will be able to keep up with the law."
Sep 08, 2012
 I have a question
by: Anonymous

If sex outside a marriage is sin, then it has to be the same for homosexuals. The bible has certain principals that stays consistent both in the old and new testament. If I'm a hetersexual I should not have relationship with a woman until I get married, and once I get married not to have relationship with another women. If i do I am a fornicator or adulterer, that is the bible. Paul gives the guide lines for marriage in ephesians and corithians. He does not mention any guide lines for homosexuals.
If a person is born homosexual, if that homosexual person receives Jesus he is saved. However, he or she must not commit the act of homosexuality. Like a hetersexual man or women they cannot have relationship outside of marriage. So we both(heter and homo sexual must refrain from sin.

Lets take a step further, we see that God created man and female, and not the same gender relaionship. That is a principle and its consistant with the bible, Both old and new testament.
Even if someone does not believe in the bible or God, in its very nature you know the act of homosexuality is unatural. Now Jesus loves the homosexual, the liar, the hetersexual, and he died for all of us. However, we must understand that we must repent and turn away from any sin, and ask God to help us. I know everyone wants someone to love and share their life, i have hetersexual friends that are single, but they dont continue in sexual sin. I would encourage any homosexual to seek God. I ask him to help you. I remember I was in love with a wonderful women after I was saved I continued in sin, i had to make a choice serve God or my needs. i chose God and broke up with the young lady.

May the Lord give you he strength to serve him.

Rick's comment: You are confusing a marriage ceremony with marriage. Marriage in the Bible is when flesh joins flesh, Genesis 2:24 and 1 Cor 6:16ff. Gay marriages are just as sanctified, just as pure, just as holy as any other marriage. Thanks for stopping by.
Sep 10, 2012
 Gay and blessed
by: Anonymous

Im sorry, but if it really does say that all gays are going to hell, then why does the bible teach us not to judge? If all gays were going to hell then would it not be ok to judge? That is why its not up to us to decide. All you need to do in order to inherit the kingdom is to live for god. An individual who is homosexual can just as easily live for god as any heterosexual. And without any examples to judge, there would be no judgement. God CAN make examples to teach us. And I truely see it as a gift. I chose to be gay no more than you chose to be straight, or white, or black, or hispanic. I agree that some people do change and choose to live this lifestyle. But for a good number of us, it was not a choice. Who would choose a lifestyle of hardship? Not one of us. I can honestly say, god has been watching over me for quite some time now. I was being poisoned for many years. Since I was around 3 years of age. I am now 22. My grandmother had been dousing our food with high levels of antifreeze and an industrial grade fungucide. I ended up in the hospital at age 19. I had been sick for a while, and I wasnt getting better. I had started going back to church and praying. My grandmother was eventually arrested and charged with attempted murder. As for me and my family, we had to have blood work and organ biopsies done. Every test came back negative for any heavy metal poisoning or chemicals. The liver results came back, along with the toxicology reports, clean as a whistle. The doctors told us that we should not have been alive. The state came in and took samples from everything in my house and they came back saturated with chemicals and household cleaners. We should have been dead. So yes, God does love everyone and he watches over us, gay or not. He has always been there for me and Im sure will continue to be. And I will continue to praise his name. He makes sure I have everything I need to get by. Even if Im broke without a penny to my name. He calms me when Im not well and speaks to me through my heart. And to those of you who are sitting there judging us? Who are you? Just another failure of Gods test. Im not judging you for judging me. Im just telling you that you are wrong and need to change your ways. We are living in end times so its best to not worry about anyone elses back porch but your own. Are you ready? Because I am. And so is my husband.
Sep 12, 2012
 The bible speaks against homosexuality
by: Bria Renee Smith

To the editor of this article how dare you try to deceive the readers of this article into believing gays won't go to Hell. How can they go to Heaven if the bible speaks against in Roman 1? When God destroyed the city Sodum Gomorrah, one of the reasons was because men were with men and women were with women. Yes it is possible for you to have feelings for the same sex but you do not have to show them and put them on display. One Christian said he had feelings for the same sex but he fought them every day and never showed them because of his great love for God. I don’t hate gays or lesbians. I love them just like I love everyone else. But how am I “simple-minded” just because I’m not ashamed to say being homosexual is wrong. God created women for man not man for man or even women for women.

Rick's comment: Bria, I hope you will study the Bible instead of parroting what someone else said and letting that suffice for your study time.

Please obey 2 Timothy 2:15 - memorize it and then apply it every time you read the Bible. Life will be a lot happier and less stressful for you. Many thanks.
Sep 13, 2012
 To Rick
by: Anonymous

Please read and memorize Romans 1. Okay? Thanks. Only a sinner will get mad at my comments.

Rick's comment: Why are you afraid to use your real name with your comment? Do you lack the courage of your convictions or are you the type of Christian who loves to make snarky comments without others knowing who you are?
Sep 13, 2012
 The Bible Speaks against Homosexuality
by: Bria Renee Smith

For the record, I'm "judging" anyone. I'm simply saying what comes from the bible. Also how can you compare being gay or straight to being black or white? You can't choose to be black or white but you can choose to be gay or straight. Being homosexual is a behavior, so why compare it to a race?

Rick's comment: Bria, I assume you are about 14 and possibly even sincere although sincerely wrong. Please do more study and get some input from Mom and Dad. Thanks kiddo.
Sep 14, 2012
 To Rick
by: Bria Renee Smith

Hey Rick, this kiddo went get more info from my mommy and daddy and guess what, they agree with me. Do you refuse to read Romans 1? Homosexual is wrong and that's a fact and not a bias. The only reason why you think it's right is because you feel it's right. We can't make decisions off feelings. If we did if, what makes rape or murder wrong? It's wrong just because we feel it's wrong? We have to make our from the Bible. Yes, God says not to judge but this doesn't apply to everything. I shouldn't judge you for homosexual if I am too right? I'm not here to judge, that's what the Bible is for. So if the Bible says homosexuality is wrong, well then it's wrong right. Wait, if God says homosexuality is wrong then it's right only if someone "feels" it's right? WRONG! One more thing, yes I'm 14 but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. Trust me, I wouldn't be on the internet if I didn't.
Sep 14, 2012
 To Rick
by: Bria Renee Smith

Sorry I forget to mention my name. I made the comment about Romans 1? Okay? I'm the Christian that's getting under your skin simply because I'm providing facts. Don't take my comments as insults because their not. I just don't want you to deceive anyone into thinking homosexuals can go to heaven. :)
Sep 14, 2012
 Wow......
by: Anonymous

Wow Rick, you sound like a great so called Christian putting a person down like you did in the previous post. Like it or not I truly do not care. Your eyes as well as your spirit are closed. You my friend are not truly saved. How can a truly saved person continue to live a life of sin? Go ahead and throw your Timothy verse in my face. Your a fool.

You will pay worse for your sins due to the fact that you are justifying everyone else actions as being OK in the sight of God. You do not know the Bible just because you misinterpret the verses that you quote. This page like yourself is an abomination in the eyes of God. How can a person truly say that they are saved and yet still make a daily decision to continue doing something that the bible speaks blatantly about doing? You and this page make no sense whatsoever. I am not judging you either. I am not closed minded. You can believe what you want, but I feel that all you really want is attention and to be able to get the last word in. I guess we will see if you get the last word in when you are standing before God and you DON'T gain entrance into heaven due to your daily walk with sin instead of a daily walk with God. This page just proves how weak Gays are. If you were truly saved you would be able to abstain from your gay sins, yet you embrace it instead due to a lack of weakness, without even trying. Keep justifying your acts to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside......
Sep 16, 2012
 Homosexuals ar going to hell
by: Minerva

Hello. What can I say?
Homosexuality IS a SIN!!!
People who live a homosexual lifestyle and having homosexual sex, will go to hell!
Please, stop lying to yourself!!!
If you have homosexual sex, that means, you hate God and you choose go to hell!
Homosexuality is a choice! Why?
Some people say, that they don't choose to be homosexual... Ok, but, you can choose to have homosexual sex. Right?
Not homosexual people are sin, but homosexual sex is a sin, and that is a choice.
Every people who have homosexual sex, are dirty and disgusting, because they hate God words and they will go to hell!
You can be homosexual in your mind, but living a homosexual lifestyle is different story, and that is big sin!!!
So stop lie to yourself!!!
This is the big problem today, that so many homosexual people are lying and they see only that, what they want so see! Its disgusting and its a sin!!!
HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN - FOREVER!!!

Rick's comment: Decaf for you from now one. Absolutely NO caffeine, is that clear? Many thanks.
Sep 19, 2012
 To Rick
by: Bria Renee Smith

Rick, do you notice what you're doing? You're missing quoting the bible and using it for your own good. Every scripture that speaks against homosexuality, you've used it out of context. Even though they can not, but what if homosexuals can go to heaven. Want to try it and see? How sure are you Rick? If homosexuals can go to heaven you shouldn't be afraid to die. You're going to heaven right? Well then you have nothing to lose. I'm not saying kill yourself, I'm just giving you something to think about.
Sep 19, 2012
 To all...!!
by: Deon

I am not too sure why everyone is trying to condemn one another? I do not see much of concern words rather you guys are trying to prove yourselves how much you know the scriptures. I am a believer too who studied God's word and have completed my (Masters of Theological Studies). I know a lot of Scriptures. I have studied Hebrew and Greek to understand the interpretation of God's word better but I am still struggling about myself.

I knew about my sexuality ever since my childhood days, before I really knew God's word and sin. Now I am glad that I am saved by His grace, but the struggle never stops within me. I pray everyday to gain strength from God and I am still fighting for it daily. According to this world terminology, I am also so called gay, who has the attraction to the same sex. I don't deny the fact and, at the same time I fear God.

One thing what I want to know from all of you is that, e.g let me not have a physical relationship with the same sex, let me live my life away from this. Does this justify that I am not gay??? Does this make me straight/heterosexual?? Certainly not!! The same me will remain as it is. I may not literally have a physical relationship with men, but in my heart I sin everyday when I come across someone who is attracted to me, but I do confess my sins. So, the question is "Am I going to Hell"?

How about you straight fellows who are still single and who are married?? You may not commit adultery or you may not be having physical relationship before your marriage. You might be keeping yourself pure. But still in your heart you might be sinning at some point of time...! If not then I would call all of you as angels....!
Now, you are straight and I am gay...what is difference between you and I? whose sin is bigger? And whom God is gonna show more mercy? Sin is Sin, there is no big sin and small sin in the sight of God. How are you gonna justify this??

All of you need to stop judging people, you cannot decide who is going to hell. It is none of your business we all of us are just a mere human we cannot fathom God's plan. "if you judge you will be judged" Leave it to God. Yes, I do agree we have God's word to understand His plans better and live life according to His will. straight guys please pray for the people like me who are struggling.

We did not choose to be gays. Stop condemning us!! Rather please pray for us, if you really feel that we are wrong. When it comes to sexual orientation I am not too sure about others but, I personally feel that it cannot be influenced. I did try my best to love girls during my studies but it didn't work. I do not want to pretend someone whom I am really not. I feel it is also sin. Now I am totally convinced that I was born this way! I am sure God loves us equally. Homosexuals sins are not bigger than adultery, sins are sins.
Sep 21, 2012
 Only The truth shall set us free!!!
by: Marian

From the above comments I can clearly see that Mr.Rick's mind is made up concerning what He belives in...and Other homosexuals who profess to be Christians. Also we heterosexuals who profess to be Christians have our minds made up. Therefore,no matter how much we argue about the issue,we each have a choice to believe whatever we choose to believe.. So my advice to u all is to diligently and sincerely seek Christ and know more of Him through His word daily..His truth shall set each and every one of us free. We may decieve others but we can never truly decieve God or ourselves,God knows those who are truly His...so homosexual or not if u truly profess Christ and believe in Him continue doing what you do. One thing I'm sure of is that those who truly seek God will definitely find Him and live in eternal life and those who don't accept Christ will perish in the Lake of fire...but as Christians we must be careful that we don't walk in error cuz scriptures says that NOT ALL who "claim" to be Christians will make heaven,but those who do His will. So my dear brethen instead of indulging in unfruitful arguements let us first examine and work on ourselves so we do not become cast aways while we profess Christ...then focus on lost souls out there who havn't even heard/dnt belive in christ..If Jesus can transform Saul to the Paul we all love and quote so much in the new testament,then surely He can change any SINCERE CHRISTIAN who is goin on the wrong path to the right path before His second coming..so! My dearly beloved keep living for CHRIST and ensure you do not end up in the Lake of fire...I hope to meet ya'll in Heaven!..can I hear an Amen to that??..
Sep 22, 2012
 lets not argue with rick
by: SCOTT A.

people lets not even argue with rick because obviously he knows all the answers. and us true CHRISTIANS are nothing but idiots according to him. so lets not argue with rick because he knows it all!! not once have i heard him agree with a true CHRISTIAN that doesnt agree with him.just argue argue argue. he only will take kindly to those that totally agree with him.SO I GUESS IF RICK CAN STILL BE HOMOSEXUAL AND GO TO HEAVEN without repenting . then i should be able to commit murder and get to heaven without repenting too. or commit any sin without repenting AND GO TO HEAVEN.but it doesnt work that way. the bible says we must repent or turn away from ALL SINS not just the ones you feel like turning away from!!! and yes homosexuality is a sin!!! argue with GOD about it because i am done arguing with someone that always thinks they are right!!!are you going to agree with me this time rick? OF COURSE NOT!!! ARGUE ARGUE ARGUE!!!
Sep 28, 2012
 To Marian
by: Bria Renee Smith

No one is judging anyone. If anyone feels their being "judged" they must feel convicted. You can tell if someone is going to hell or not. You'll know a tree by its fruit. So any person that is currently a dope-dealing, thief, etc. is going to Hell. If they repent well then they won't but if they are content with their sins then they are not going to heaven. Remember the road to hell is wide and many people travel it.
Sep 28, 2012
 To Deon
by: Bria Renee Smith

No one is judging anyone. If anyone feels their being "judged" they must feel convicted. You can tell if someone is going to hell or not. You'll know a tree by its fruit. So any person that is currently a dope-dealing, thief, etc. is going to Hell. If they repent well then they won't but if they are content with their sins then they are not going to heaven. Remember the road to hell is wide and many people travel it.

Any sorry I meant to type To Deon and not To Marian
Sep 30, 2012
 Love
by: Stokieshazer

God is good God is love and the only one who judges, through the Bible we see believing people who are imperfect being used by God.
Branded "sinners" that's who Jesus spent time with, so why are some People condemning other believers to hell?
I know Jesus said "go and sin no more" to the lady with the many "husbands" but does this mean that if someone makes a life choice or does something that is considered as wrong does that mean we are doomed?! If so we are ALL doomed!!!!
No one is perfect God judges our heart, He knows us and our struggles and intentions. Who are we to decide who is going to hell? If we have to be spotless then no one will be there! Jesus makes us spotless, what about divorced people who' remarry are they going to hell? Or if you have a lustfull thought, is that it, we are doomed. I feel this issue is a very challenging one! I do not really have any answers, but all I know is that I can not help but love people, no matter what. We all have to give an account for our choices , whatever they are including how we treat others. Brothers and sisters lets show love to all, unfailing love to all our neighbours, this is what we are commanded to do isn't it? God bless.
Oct 02, 2012
 Umm, you're making the Bible say what you want
by: Turn2Christ

Ive been on this website before and from reading this article, it seems to me that you want to make the Bible say what YOU want to say rather than following the TRUE Word of God. DO NOT try to twist God's word decieving yourseleves. Homosexuality IS a sin but you want to try to twist Scripture in order to justify your sin. You are doing a very destrutive and dangerous thing when doing that. Not only are you storing up for yourself wrath in the Day of Judgment but your also soon you are going to have an extremely rude awakening coming Judgment Day.

Rick's comment: Christian like you discourage me because you seem so impervious to God's truth. You have a point of view which is based on verses ripped out of context and you refuse to obey 2 Timothy 2:15, which commands you to read and study the Bible in context.

I hope that before you hit the judgment seat of Christ, you will accept your responsibility to obey 2 Tim 2:15 and your responsibility to truth. Hope you do it soon. Thanks for stopping by.
Oct 02, 2012
 vain babblings
by: Elizabeth

Dear No excuses. In Titus 3:9(KJV) it says, "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain." and in Titus 3:3 it also says, "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." As a matter of fact, the whole chapter 3 of Titus has very good advice when taken in context and the Bible as a whole, but on the same note to try to share it with those who have accepted the ways of the flesh over the ways of God, it is futile to share with for they love their flesh and sin more than they love the truth or the God who gave it. When a person approaches the word of God with an attitude that they are going to make it line up with the desires of their flesh and not to make their flesh submit to the Transforming Holy Spirit so He can change them and so they line themselves up with His Word, then they are lost and in bondage to their sin and they have no salvation. Sanctification is the part of the Salvation that has been left out and is the very part that gives them a true relationship with their Creator God. Until they come to this realization, they are lost in their sin and have no salvation.

Rick's comment: Gays who are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone are justified by faith. God has taken our sins and given us the perfect righteousness of Christ.

Clothed in the perfect righteousness of Christ, we are perfect in Him, we are already seated in heavenly places IN Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:6 and we are permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Those are Biblical facts. Thanks for stopping by.
Oct 16, 2012
 response
by: angelo

friends, let us love the truth. the new covenant is about grace. which we should know equals forgiveness. for any sin we agree with YHWH that it is sin and we should turn away from it. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. The scriptures say "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." (Leviticus 18:22) And that is what it still is, an abomination. Is there grace? Of course. Is there forgiveness? Of course. If we turn from our sins he will forgive us our sin. Grace and peace to the our brothers.

Rick's comment: Angelo, it is always best to know what you're talking about before commenting on scripture. Lev 18:22 has nothing to do with being gay or lesbian. The context is temple prostitution in worship of the fertility goddess, who was the consort of Molech. You may click on Lev 18:22 on the NavBar for more information. Thanks for stopping by.
Oct 17, 2012
 Genesis 2
by: tim davis

god said it is not right for man to be alone,so he made animals first. that has nothing to do with being straight or gay
god bless

Rick's comment: Interesting point Tim. Genesis 2:18 tells us it is not good that the man should be alone. I will make an help meet or fitting for him. For Adam, a fitting help meet was Eve, a woman.

For gay men, a fitting help meet is another gay man. And for lesbians, a fitting help meet is another lesbian woman. God has far more common sense than we have and He knows exactly what He is doing when He creates some of His children gay or lesbian, bisexual or transgendered.

Aren't you thankful for the awesome grace of God?
Nov 05, 2012
 It's never too late to discover undefiled truth!
by: Letitia

I have spoken with you before Mr. Brentlinger, of course you were very quick to judge me calling me ignorant and various other insults such as questioning my salvation. Your behavior is un-biblical and very un-christ-like. I never, in my other conversations, challenged your salvation, I merely disagreed with your belief that men having sex with men, and women having sex with women, is not a sin, when the Bible clearly states it is.

Rick's comment: Interestingly though, you never provided even one verse which, IN CONTEXT, supports your assertion. I wonder why?

This link, while not the only thing I've used to weigh against your summations, has some very good info and very valid historical and cultural, as well as Biblical proof that your belief that David and Jonathan had a sexual relationship is a false teaching.

You may pride yourself on reading in context, but you have missed the mark somewhere along the line, but we all miss the mark, make mistakes, but God is full of grace and forgives...

I mean no disrespect to you, because as I said before in my other comments, I have no hatred toward homosexuals, I simply don't believe nor agree with you that homosexuality is not a sin, when God clearly says it is, nor do I believe that they were born that way just as transsexuals, bisexuals, etc., were not born that way. God made man and woman in the beginning and that is His original plan and design. He gave us free will and choices, and we come to a point in our lives that we make certain choices that go against the Will of God, but it is not too late to repent, change your mind, in fact let God change your mind and desires because He designed us and created us for a holier and higher purpose than our own sinful, fleshly desires.

I hope and pray that everyone who reads the Word of God, will find the truth and not just accept the word of Mr. Brentlinger, a mere human being, trapped in human thinking instead of spiritual thinking.

Rick's comment: Letitia, this website is all about in context, undefiled truth from the Holy Bible. When people take verses OUT of context and insist they refer to gays when IN CONTEXT, they didn't refer to gays, that is ignorance.

No, I will not permit you to post links to anti-gay websites. Gays get enough bombast, condemnation and verses ripped out of context to support a lie, from allegedly loving anti-gay christians, without me posting links to that stuff here. Thanks for stopping by.

Oh by the way, why are you so obsessed with us that you keep visiting this website and posting comments?

We are saved, born-again, washed in the blood of the Lamb, soul-winning, Bible-believing, Spirit-filled, Biblical Christians, active disciples of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who also happen to be gay, lesbian, bisexual and/or transgendered.
Nov 06, 2012
 incest, homosexuality, child prostitution, bestality; they are all the same sin.
by: Letitia

It's interesting to me that you read in context when in fact in context the scriptures on homosexuality are included with bestiality (sex with animals), but also reading in context the scripture that is referring to the god Molech is concerning children being given over for worship or more accurately as sex slaves.

Rick's comment: Click on Bestiality and Molech for my answers to your arguments.

Leviticus 18:21 - You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, so that you do not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord!

This is not referring to homosexuals, but children. Neither was bestiality referred to as an offering to Molech only were the children referenced here. But my question for you Mr. Brentlinger is this; if homosexuality is not a sin, which the Lord clearly states in verse 22 and calls it detestable, which by the way sounds very "anti-gay," then do you not think it is a sin to have sex with animals?

Rick's comment: My answers are available by clicking on Bestiality. The Bible analogizes temple prostitution and bestiality, NOT being gay and beastiality. There is a difference.

Or were people born attracted to animals and can't help their sexuality?

Rick's comment: I answer that question at Five Important Reasons Why Bestiality is always wrong.

This is not meaning to be ugly, but of course you seem to think everything I say is anti-gay, hate bashing, which is completely false. I simply am trying to figure out your logic and how you can teach something completely contradictory to the Word of God.

Rick's comment: I have more than 800 pages of high quality information on this website. It's easy to figure out my logic if you're willing to read a little bit.

Oh and the reason I didn't put scriptures was because they were written in that "anti-gay" link that you refuse to post for others to read, because apparently the only opinion that seems to matter here is yours.

Rick's comment: And of course, the website you wanted me to link to would not allow me to post my pro-gay views there.
Nov 08, 2012
 SIN! SIN! SIN! SIN! SIN! or is it?
by: Courtney

Whether or not the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin (which it does repeatedly), shouldn't be the issue because it clearly states that homosexuality is indeed a sin, such as in Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

It can't be any clearer then that.

The question I would be asking however....is, "What do I really believe in?"

If you really believe in the Bible.....and I don't mean "pick and choose what you believe", but a word for word belief, then the answer is obvious.....homosexuality is a sin.

Rick's comment: Courtney, it will be helpful to you to click on Lev 18:22 on the NavBar and carefully read that information.

Do you believe that the Bible was written by men? If so, are you sure that everything written in the Bible is the "direct" Word of God or is it in fact also possible that he/they may have added his/their own thoughts, beliefs, opinions or feelings about any given subject that they felt strongly about? And if the writers did in fact "push" their own thoughts, beliefs and opinions into the Book of God......how can anyone believe any of it anyway with any kind of certainty? How can anyone say that "this part is right, but this one is wrong"? Slippery slope....I know.

It's funny to me that here we have this book, A Testament of Gods Will, the written Word of God that was originally thought to be an "absolute", and yet so many that "believe" in the Word, find it appropriate to interpret it in a way they THEY see fit...."well he didn't mean that.....what he really meant was....fill in the blank."

One of the biggest, most terribly flawed assumptions human beings can grasp hold of, is to say that something is irrefutably absolute. To say that they already know the answer. To believe that they know and understand something that others don't.......because we find time and time again, that we are in fact dead wrong, and when it really comes down to what's real and what isn't, we know "absolutely" NOTHING other then what we "believe in" which is merely a way to feed our own egos to satisfy some kind of self righteous yearning that each and every one of us seem to be inherently born with.

Since God is supposed to know EVERYTHING including how each and every aspect of my life is going to play out.....why would he create me knowing full well that I am going to go to hell because I have sinned against him in a number of ways that the Bible specifically says are sins with no forgiveness? That to me sounds more like a human being with irrational expectations then any kind of all knowing, unconditionally loving God...

Rick's comment: "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
Nov 08, 2012
 listen up smart alec
by: Mari Bay

Alright, I'm getting real sick and tired of hearing you constantly putting people down, trying to prove that your worldly intelligence, is enough to belittle people! you sit there and have all these snarky, sarcastic, sardonic and rude comments towards people.. and yet you claim to be a Christian? Honestly I would've thought you were indeed a atheist, because you sound just like them! Children of God wouldn't put others down. If you're so interested in wanting to spread what you think the "word" of God is... you'd know that one of the key aspects is to LOVE! *******

Now. Let's get down to business. Now i sat here for about 4 hours reading nothing but this forum, and it's starting to get real repetitive. But one thing I noticed is that earlier when that girl mentioned or better yet kindly asked you a simple question (before u rudely assumed her intentions) which isn't fair, because unlike you... she wasn't being sarcastic! And no. I'm not saying sarcasm is a sin.. -__- ) but when she said or asked for you to prove exactly where in the Bible it says that homosexuality is NOT a sin, you just answered her question with sarcastic questions, that had nothing to do with the topic-- I know you're trying to make a point, but we're not interested in your point... we want a straight-forward answer! Because obviously you're expressing that it does not specifically state that 'homosexuality is a sin.' in which many will argue otherwise, just by reading their translations of the Holy word. Stop trying to read the verbatim text, and let God reveal you the real implied meaning. Now, if God knows dog-on well, that homosexuality is not a sin, he wouldn't express it several areas in the Bible otherwise! He wouldn't place "homosexuality" and "abomination" in the same sentence! He wouldn't call it 'detestable' because if homosexuality wasn't a sin, he might as well call his only begotten son 'detestable.' It's not a blessing, why would people who are truely desired in wanting to be saved, pray, and allow God to work through them, and have that 'destable' desire takened away from them, and even say years later that they never had any problems with it again?(To Be continued)

Rick's comment: Orientation change does not happen. Even the President of Exodus International, Allen Chambers, admits that. And you're a bit of a smart alec Mari Bay.
Nov 08, 2012
 Me again
by: Letitia

The reason I am talking about your theory that David and Jonathan were homosexual lovers here is because the other page on which the topic is written has no place for me to comment (which I find interesting because you criticized the link I posted earlier for not having a way to comment). Now this is going to be short and you probably won't be convinced but I'll put it anyways.

It's very interesting that your entire argument that David and Jonathan were lovers is based on their close and intimate admiration for one another. You have confused friendship with sexual desires, when in fact there is no scripture that backs up that view. One scripture that you point out was the kiss they shared: 1 Samuel 20:41 NET

When the servant had left, David got up from beside the mound, knelt with his face to the ground, and bowed three times. Then they kissed each other and they both wept, especially David.

The Hebrew word for "kissed (nashaq)" in 1 Samuel is the same Hebrew word used in this verse:
Genesis 48:10 NET

Now Israel’s eyes were failing because of his age; he was not able to see well. So Joseph brought his sons near to him, and his father kissed them and embraced them.
No sexual behavior there either. God is not shy about the sexual actions of His people. When they had sexual intercourse in the Bible, He said it.

But there is no mention of sexual intercourse between David and Jonathan. A kiss does not mean sex is going on. Judas kissed Jesus. Does that mean Judas was homosexual? No.

Now you may think you read in context when in fact you invent context and take things out of context. Why don't you try using a Hebrew concordance and the discernment God gives all of us who seek Him and His truth will be revealed.

David was Jonathan's brother-in-law and close friend. They shared a love for each other, but it was far from sexual. Jonathan knew David was the chosen one and knew that his father and Jonathan's shot at the throne was impossible. That is why he devoted himself to protecting David from Saul. Oh yes and the passage that David laments the death of Jonathan, he is showing the same heartbreak for the death of Saul. So were David and Saul lovers? Of course not. But today, people have perverted the scriptures, just as you are doing Mr. Brentlinger.

Rick's comment: I feel so sorry for you Letitia. So far I've posted your false accusations against me and your opinions and unsubstantiated arguments. Enough is enough. Comment after comment, you have proven your bias instead of proving your point. Thanks for stopping by and demonstrating the paucity of Biblical support for your views.
Nov 08, 2012
 Nah, I'm just spiritually smart sir.
by: Mari Bay

i checked your reply... still didn't see your proof that the Bible says that Homosexuality is a not a sin. Therefore I rest my case. And my point is proven!

Rick's comment: Sure Mari, sure. Do you understand what it means to interpret scripture in context and what it means to rip scripture out of context and misapply it so you can teach a lie?
Nov 08, 2012
 One more question
by: Letitia

Mr. Brentlinger, I don't expect nor want your pity. I know the truth. I love the Word of God, I love what Jesus has done for me, but I also know that what He did requires something of me and that is giving up my selfish, impure desires and be holy as he is holy. I know what sin is and you are teaching falsely about sin. God's word is clear. I'm curious about something else though: how does a bisexual person have a committed relationship? After all bisexual is defined as one who is sexually attracted and sexually responsive to male and female. So how can a bisexual be in a committed relationship, when they can only have one or the other? Or do you approve of them being in multiple relationships?

Rick's comment: Heteros are sexually attracted to the opposite sex but when they partner, it is with one person to whom they are committed.

Gays are sexually attracted to the same sex but when they partner, it is with one person to whom they are committed.

In the same way, bisexuals are capable of sexual attraction to both genders but when they partner, it is with one person to whom they are committed. Hope this is helpful to you.
Nov 09, 2012
 What God said
by: Anonymous

I have not really read the comments, as I don’t want to debate about the subject. All I want is for all you guys out there to answer these questions for yourself.

1. Why did God create man and women, and not the same sex
2. Why did God tell the man and women to go produce and fill the earth?
3. Can the same sex partners produce babies?
4. Why do people interperate the Bible to justify their ways?

Rick's comment: You haven't read the comments or this website and you don't want to debate but you want answers? Wow!
Nov 09, 2012
 A couple more questions
by: Letitia

That doesn't really help. It doesn't make sense. For instance, if a woman, who claims to be bisexual chooses to marry a man...

Rick's comment: Letitia, this forum is not about bisexuality. I've been more than patient with you. If you want someone to explain bisexuality to you, you might try Googling it and informing yourself or write to a bisexual website with your questions.
Nov 11, 2012
 God is Love and I am saved through Christ's blood
by: Anonymous

I firmly believe that there will be a lot of people upset when Christ does come and they don't go. There has been misinterpretation of the bible on the gay issue and manipulation of the scriptures.

I am a child of god and I AM SAVED THROUGH CHRIST'S BLOOD, AND I AM GAY AND NOT GOING TO HELL.

I feel sorry for those who preach hate. Shame on you. You really want to know then why don't you get down on your knees and ask God to show you the truth. I pray for this world and all of the brothers and sisters in Christ. The devil works long and hard for his time is short!
Nov 15, 2012
 IS HETEROSEXUALITY A SIN and do HETEROSEXUALS go to hell?
by: Chad

Jesus usually answered a question with a question. Most anti-gay comments on this site and I have read most of them, are concerned with Homosexuality as a sin. So I ask all of you who are heterosexual, is heterosexuality a sin?

Sounds silly doesn't it, that's my point. Sexuality is no more a sin than race. If you are heterosexual did you choose it? Exactly my point, sexuality is no more chosen than race or eye color. Is heterosexuality sex a sin? Many acts of heterosexual sex are considered sinful in the Bible but not all of them. Apply the same logic to homosexual sex.

I would also like to comment on all the anti-gay individuals that keep saying God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, how childish. Everything from the original plan was lost forever after sin entered the picture. We now have children born blind, mentally retarded, without limbs, etc. There is sickness, disease and death. None were Gods original plan for creation.

What are you going to say to the people born mentally retarded? Are you going to say that they are sinners because it is not what God designed in the beginning? Is it sinful for them to act different from us because they were born that way? The original design was altered and yes this includes sexuality. People are now born homosexual and it's not sinful to be homosexual any more than it would be to born any other way from the original design.

As far as who goes to hell or not, its is simple: Joel 2:32 - And it shall come to pass that everyone that calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Nov 15, 2012
 the guilt of mankind
by: Anonymous

please everybody read the kjv bible at romans 1st chapter 18 verse down to 32 verse and you will find all kinds of sin that will send you to hell because you have reprobate minds and all of the sins are listed here so get on board with the homosexual for we are no better if we do any of these things so please read them repent and let all of us live with the father, son, and the holy spirit when they come and make up their jewels
glad i found out so now i have time to change so again want you change.

Rick's comment: Yes, the KJV is the BEST because it is not anti-gay like the NIV and so many other allegedly modern translations.

No, being homosexual or being in a gay relationship is not a sin. If you think it is, please cite verses which, IN CONTEXT, say that. Of course no one will because there are none.

Yes, to go to heaven, you MUST be born again and Jesus is the only way to get saved, John 14:6.
Nov 16, 2012
 gay is a sin
by: Anonymous

The bible does not support homosexuality. It is a sin. God made man and woman in the beginning. It is an abomination to be with same sex.

Rick's comment: May I humbly suggest that you need to do more in context Bible reading before publicly stating your opinion? Please remember: A wise man does not believe everything he thinks.
Nov 18, 2012
 My opinion.
by: Anonymous

I am ftm not gay, but I doubt god would just send us to hell, we all sin and he values them the same as the next. I don't really think you can just use the bible, because god is a thinking spirit, and I'm sure he can see my feelings more than anyone else, so he might be able to understand. The men in sodom and gomorrah where raping more so and robbing travelers, that doesn't give us the best image. So maybe god was trying to prevent that for the future, but if people are doing it more out of love than hatred now, he can probably tell. Even though it's not exactly what he wanted for me, I think I can do people more justice if I feel right, I think he'd rather me be ok with myself and positive than angry. Another theory is maybe if I was just born the way I feel I am, I wouldn't have gone through the difficulties and maybe not been the same person I am today. I could be wrong though, but still, I'd rather just have faith that he can see it's not as simple as it looks to other people around me.
Nov 18, 2012
 My FELLOW christians.
by: Anonymous

You know what's funny? How all the Christians who make fun of us and point fingers calling us fags, dykes, trannys, and freaks go to heaven but we go to hell. Makes sense. I would have rather never existed than have to hear this, but even if you kill yourself you go to hell LOL it's so great.
Nov 18, 2012
 Go Chad!! You tell em!!
by: Nikki

You said it all. That is what I wanted to say but feel so passionate about this subject that I didn't say that. Instead, I focused on something else. But I am still puzzled about why we are talking about this. Why don't those same people worry about their own backyards and clean up the mess they have made instead of worrying about what someone else does?

Who chooses to be discriminated against? No one, I hope. Why do people who claim to be part of a church or religion show prejudices more than the person who does not go to church or does not claim a religion? I said it before and I will say it again. Jesus showed love, compassion and heart for people. John 3:16 says:

"For God so loved the world He gave His begotten Son, that whosoever, believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

See, there goes that powerful word again, WHOSOEVER. For all of you judgmental people out there, remember that. I work with the public and see what people go through and it's not right. Why are you taught to be hateful and despise someone who is different from you? I can't stand the insensitivity.

So all you self-righteous people, whatever. Self-righteous people get on my nerves and I'm not even gay.
Nov 19, 2012
 According to the NT Homosexuality is a sin. Period.
by: Julie

Romans 1:18-32 clearly describes the act of sex between 2 men or 2 women as "vile passions" "unrighteousness" "shameful". It is a sin. It is equal to being unloving, unforgiving, boastful, disobedient to parents and many other things. Because all sin is equal and all sin will be judged. You cannot claim to be a born again Christian who trusts in Jesus and continue to live in the lust of the sinful flesh. Jesus said, "Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I say?" Jesus said, "Many will come to me saying Lord Lord and I will say Depart from me ye who practice lawlessness." Jesus is clearly telling believers that just because you CALL him Savior it does not mean you will be saved. You must repent from sin and follow Christ. When you are born again, you are a new creation and all of the old sins of the part are gone, but if you turn again to that sin and willfully live in that sin it is as you read in 2 Peter 2:20-22 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." Every single one of us are required to turn from sin and not practice in it.

Rick's comment: Wow Julie - way to rip verses out of context so you can allege that they're talking about gays. Do you always ignore facts and context when you explain the meaning of scripture? Truth is available IF you really want it. Just click on the NavBar and begin the process of educating yourself.
Nov 19, 2012
 Final comments
by: Julie

Romans 6:1&6-7 "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?" "For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— because anyone who has died has been set free from sin." None of us are slaves to sin unless we enslave ourselves to it again. We are all born this way, as sinners. If the sin is unforgiveness or homosexuality or etc..., they are the same. And we have to both repent from those sins because we know they are sins and we cannot willfully live in sin and follow after Christ. You cannot earn your salvation, but you must participate in it. Work out thy salvation. Christ dies that we MIGHT have eternal life. Many believers will be turned away in the end and the reason is because they "practice lawlessness." Each one check themselves but do not lie to yourself about what is or isn't sin. Scripture is clear through and through and you cannot change God's mind no matter how many loved ones you have living in sin or how much you have struggled with your sins.

I have had homosexual friends and family members who have turned from the lifestyle and given that struggle to the Lord to find that they were delivered from the strength of that sin and it's pleasures. I can say the same for many people over many other areas of sin too.

Rick's comment: More anonymous folks who are no longer gay? Oh wait, you carefully avoided saying they are no longer gay. Come on Julie. Those of us who have by reason of use, had our senses exercised to discern good and evil, are not as gullible as you suppose.

And those of us who have studied the clobber passages in depth know the biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic and religious context. So you can't fool us there either.

While you pontificate about our "sin," we are busy winning souls to Jesus and discipling those we win.
Nov 20, 2012
 Wowwee Julie
by: Nikki

Julie, you must be living your life straight as an arrow. Right?

"For God so loved the world He gave His begotten Son, that whosoever, believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

See, there goes that powerful word again, WHOSOEVER. For all of you judgmental people out there, remember that. I work with the public and see what people go through and it's not right. Why are you taught to be hateful and despise someone who is different from you? I can't stand the insensitivity.

Self righteous folks get on my nerves...

Rick's comment: Nikki, I edited some of your comment. Let's extend more grace and kindness than they usually extend to us and not make it so personal. Many thanks!
Nov 20, 2012
 My Apologies
by: Nikki

Ok Rick. I am sorry. I was being very obnoxious. I just wish that the same people who condemn everyone else would take a look at themselves and how they come across to others. I will try to control my sarcasm and anger.
Nov 26, 2012
 context
by: Michael Gill of lubbock Texas

The Just Live by Faith

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”[b]

God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

Rick's comment: Michael, did it ever occur to you to factor in Romans 2:1? Are you aware of the cultural doctrinal historical and religious context of Romans 1? Do you have enough Christian character to even care about context? Are you saved by the blood of the Lamb?
Nov 26, 2012
 These verses have nothing to do with being gay
by: Michael Gill of Lubbock Texas

The Man of God and the Word of God

10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15 and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Nov 26, 2012
 I'm not judging, just telling the truth
by: Michael Gill of Lubbock Texas

It is interesting that you and many many others will jump so quickly to the whole "don't judge others" however, there is a difference between "judging" and telling the truth about what is written and given for our learning. I have not and do judge others, though if you are going to ask my opinion of something then I will tell you what is taught, and what is taught is that the ungodly will not inherite the kingdom of God...

Just because it is easier to live a lie does not make it right. In the end we will all be judged according to our deeds and I for one will not be held accountable for missleading God's people.

Rick's comment: I edited your comments Michael. No reason to repeat what you put in your last comment.

It is odd that you accuse me of saying, Don't judge, since I never say that. In fact, I teach that Christians are supposed to judge. Only people ignorant of the Bible believe that Christians should never judge.

Your problem Michael, is the same affliction shared by so many professing christians. You are too lazy to read and study the Bible in context but you have such a high opinion of your intellect that you feel competent to "correct" those of us who do study the Bible in context.

Michael, will you covenant with God to memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15 this week? I hope you will because doing that will revolutionize your spiritual life.
Nov 26, 2012
 If someone shot someone or robbed a bank
by: Anonymous

Would you say "don't judge" if someone shot and killed an innocent person or robbed a bank.

Rick's comment: Actually, I teach that Christians ARE supposed to judge.

I'm saved and I understand that homosexuality is a sin. I believe God is delivering me from the homosexual desires just as he would have to deliver a drunk person from alcohol or a gambler from casinos. All sins are sins and if you know that homosexually is one of the sexual sins, and it's abusive to the temple where the holy spirit dwells.

Rick's comment: You profess to know something the Bible never says in context. You must take verses out of context in order to make them teach something they never teach in context.

The bible doesn't say it's okay for two of the same gender to get married, so how can you have sexual relationships with someone you're not married to without it being a fornication sin. that is part of salvation, confessing your sins. One of the goals of being a Christian is to strive to be more and more like Christ each day.

Rick's comment: I encourage you to read through our Gay Christian FAQ since it is full of important information you need to know. God bless you richly as you keep an obedient heart toward God.
Nov 27, 2012
 She cheated on me
by: Anonymous

i am a straight man that had been married at one time, and i even thought that i was going to have a family with her since i loved her very much at the time. she cheated on me with another woman, and of course i was very upset about it. now that i go out i seem to meet so many low life women these days, and finding a real honest good woman has become very difficult for me now. even the straight women these days have such an attitude problem, and are so very nasty to start a conversation with. since there are so much more women that are lesbians and bi today, that is certainly the problem.

Rick's comment: I'm sorry that happened to you but it is not a reason to be negative toward all women or toward lesbians. I encourage you to trust God to lead you to the right woman, who loves God and you. Happiness is not something we find by searching. We discover happiness as we walk the path of God's purpose for our life.
Dec 02, 2012
 FALSE
by: Anonymous

There is no heaven or hell.

Rick's comment: Since you are not omniscient, how could you possibly know that? What if you are wrong and both heaven and hell are real places where real people go when they die?

I encourage you to repent of your sins and trust Jesus Christ by grace alone through faith alone. Jesus offers forgiveness, eternal salvation and hope for the future to all who receive Him as their Savior from sin.
Dec 10, 2012
 Purpose?
by: Anonymous

From evolutionary to the religious perspective your sexual perversion is product of sin and natural selection.

Rick's comment: Wow, aren't you sweet to call us perverts but you are definitely not an intellectual. If being gay was a result of natural selection, since we allegedly don't reproduce biologically, wouldn't we all have died out many centuries ago?
Dec 11, 2012
 My thoughts..
by: Anonymous

Rick, I respect Christians like you, but I don't respect Christianity, Islam in general, just because religious people are basically "homophobia", anti-woman (Islam), and they're forever trying to put god into politics.....

But I'd like to hear your response to this: (It's something I typed)

I find it remarkable that your god could create the universe which contains over trillions of stars, countless planets, and everything on planet Earth with magic, but then fails to make sure that He's OWN Holy Book is (which billions of people will look up to, and follow) - CORRECT,JUST,PROPER, NO MISTRANSLATIONS, NO MISTAKES, with ALL that power surely He could have made sure everything was proper, Instead, according to you he allowed "errors/mistranslations"(we're talking about an all-knowing god here and all-powerful, right?) in His own Holy book (Cor 6:9 - as you believe), knowingly billions of people will condemn people in His name, because His word says so, and then you claim "it was a mistake, it was an error.", but God doesn't actually condemn gays?? What the? Makes no sense...

I am not a Christian, I am not a Muslim, I am an atheist - I follow science. Religion has done NOTHING, but harm to the gay community, especially the gay community, BUT also to this planet... It is anti-nature, anti-reason, anti-human, anti-science - it's disgraceful to humanity.

+ If your god does exist, and if the Bible is the truth, just know that I would be a Christian and I am pretty sure millions of other gay/bi people would also be a Christian, if the Bible didn't condemn gays, and if the religious didn't condemn gays, and, of course you might say " the Bible doesn't" but it does, unless you get people like you who start saying, "this was a mis-translation, or don't take this literally, etc....." - fact still remains it's unheard of to the Christian world....

I really do appreciate what you've done though, and I admire the fact you're gay and you're a Christian and you're fighting other Christians about this matter - so please don't take this message like I am attacking you, just sharing my thoughts....

Thanks, lol sorry if my grammar or spelling is out it's 5:44 AM and I have gotten no sleep! -_-, so tired......

Rick's comment: It's a busy week so I'll simply post this with the advice that if you truly seek an answer to your questions, you can find good answers by Googling your questions AND by reading the New Testament.

I will be blunt with you. IF you want to find out if the Bible is true and if Jesus is really willing to save you from sin, you can do that easily in less than two weeks by simply reading the Bible every evening for an hour or two and asking God to show you if it is true. If you are not willing to do that, then you are not really interested in truth and nothing I write will convince you.
Dec 17, 2012
 Love
by: Lisa

I have been reading this site, mainly because I am struggling with my relationship that I have had with God. I was born and raised a Lutheran, and as a child was told that faith, and faith alone saved you from hell. That's it...easy.

But then I grow up...my situation at home becomes extremely mentally negative and dangerous to my mental health and sanity. I decide to escape, I have no choice because my parents tried to mold me and keep me in the house with a midnight curfew at age 22. My father criticizes and condemns anyone he comes across. "Let the first sinner throw the stone" My father gladly picks up and throws first every time in defiance that he is a better creature. Obviously, I grew up in a house hold that condemned gays, gay marriage, and repeatedly was told that gays were going to hell.

I needed to leave my home to grow up, but I wanted to move in with someone that would love me and take care of me. I am a heterosexual and I moved in with with my boyfriend. I am not married, we dream of marriage in our future, and yes, we have sex.

My father and paster both tell me I am going to hell. I was not welcome back to my church (of 8 years of membership) and was told by my father that even though I believe, I have fallen from the path and must stop my action (move out or get married) or I am destined for the fiery pit. I am facing the same struggles that homosexuals face.

I was plunged into fear. I felt that Jesus and God had abandoned me and I cried, because I moved in with my boyfriend to make my life better and happier. I looked around me at other sinners. I sin by having sex before marriage and I am going to hell by not changing my behavior. What about a thief who steals often and asks for forgiveness but continues to do it? What about all the people who get drunk every weekend at parties, ask for forgiveness, but continue to do it? Homosexuals? People who lie? I thought long and hard and realized, if i am bound for hell, so are many many other people. This did not add up for me. Jesus is Love...for all sinners.
Dec 17, 2012
 CONTINUED
by: Lisa

I have, for a long time in my life, felt nothing but love for all homosexuals. My boyfriend does many things in the theater world and I meet very many gays. I love and cherish them all. Many of them show more kindness than heterosexuals that I have met.

This website does not glorify homosexuality. It glorifies that Jesus loves all, and that...homosexuality is a sin that people are unfortunately bound to, just like a man addicted to the bottle, just like the woman who has been married 4 time (in a church too!), and like the child that steals candy. We all are bound for hell. But, through faith alone, as it is mentioned several times in the Bible, we are saved. It is impossible to turn away from our sin. Perhaps I do resolve my problem with sex before marriage and I change my action, but this one action alone will not save me! I will sin in other ways. If homosexuals change their ways, they still sin and are still bound for hell without the grace of Jesus.

I open my heart to all who are struggling with their faith because of the hatred of the people who choose to throw the first stone.

Rick's comment: Thanks for your thoughts Lisa. As I point out on this website, being gay and being in a gay relationship and having sex in a gay relationship is not a sin.

In the Bible, a marriage is not the ceremony. A marriage is when flesh joins flesh, Genesis 2:24 and 1 Cor 6:16. I'll trust the Holy Spirit to show you and your boyfriend what He wants you to do as far as getting officially married is concerned.
Dec 19, 2012
 Jesus already did all the hard work
by: Anonymous

The bible says once saved always saved PERIOD. Just receive Jesus Christ, John 1:11-12 and trust his precious words. God is Trinity - Father Son and Holy Ghost. Jesus died for ALL our sins past present and future. And that he rose from the dead, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9-10, 13, and we will be saved and have eternal life in heaven and not HELL. Thank you LORD for your blood that washed our sins white as snow.

The NIV is wrong because salvation is not hard. JESUS DIED FOR US and paid the price for our sins. He did all the hard work.
Dec 20, 2012
 Don't be deceived by the wrong definition
by: LLRT

The word "arsenokoitēs" in the Greek is not defined as this man says. The definition in the Storngs concordance is: one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual. You can check this out for yourselves on blueletterbible.org, or you can look it up for yourself in the Strong's Concordance.

Rick's comment: LLRT, your capacity for self-deception and false accusation is astonishing.

This man is lying about this issue. Truth is, if you repent of your sins, and believe that Jesus died for your sins, paid for them with His blood, and was ressurected, then you will be saved; that is the Gospel of Christ.

If you say you believe and don't acknowledge you're a sinner then your belief is in vane. Look we are all sinners, and fall short of the glory of God, we may repent and even fall back into the sin we were once in; including homosexuality. This is why we struggle every day to do better and not allow ourselves to fall back into the patterns of our old lifestyles.

Last but not least, this man has lied about being born into the life of a homosexual. If this were so, then God would have mentioned it.

Rick's comment: My Coming Out story is my personal testimony of salvation in Jesus Christ and being born gay.

You will also find it helpful to read and study Matthew 19:3-12, where Jesus says gay people are born that way, from their mother's womb. Our Homosexual Eunuchs page points out that even the most virulent anti-gay scholars admit that Jesus was probably referring to homosexuals in Matthew 19:11-12.

The only thing God said about man is that we were born sinners and our minds were on sin continually.

Rick's comment: I'm not sure why you make such a silly statement. I believe you need to read and study your Bible in a lot more depth before you attempt to explain what the Bible means. You need to understand it yourself before you teach others. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 20, 2012
 Dear LLRT
by: Shane

Strong's concordance also says "sodomite" (qadesh) means "male temple prostitute." by defining "arsenokoitēs" as "sodomite," you are effectively saying that it means "male temple prostitute." thank you.

Rick's comment: Excellent point Shane. You're a blessing! How can I be a blessing to you?

Strong's Concordance lists the meaning of sodomite as: #6945 - qadesh. kaw-deshe'; from 6942: a (quasi) sacred person, i.e. (tech.) a (male) devotee (by prostitution) to licentious idolatry:-sodomite, unclean.

Strong's Concordance on abusers, 1 Cor 6:9 = a sodomite:-abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

By the way LLRT, Strong's does NOT use the word homosexual in any of these descriptions and Thayer's Greek Lexicon does not use the word homosexual when defining arsenokoitai.

Blue Letter Bible does use the word homosexual but they are wrong on that and they give no textual or linguistic or theological reason to support their usage.

It is odd that you accuse me of lying and then you lie in your comment. Did you think no one would check to see what Strong's really says?
Dec 22, 2012
 Gays go to hell
by: Cassandra

The Bible specifically says in Fomrans Chapter 1 that homos go to hell. This is their choice. There is not way to re-interpret this, the last 12 verses in Romans chapter 1. They will not repent of this sin. All sins must b repented of and ask Jesus to forgive them. Then ask the Holy Spirit to give you strength to forsake any sins you have been clinging to. Amen.

Rick's comment: Wow Cassandra, spreading hate and ignorance even at Christmas time. Have you no shame? Did it ever occur to you to read the Bible in cultural doctrinal historical and religious context?

Your assignment for Christmas week is to read, memorize, obey and apply 2 Timothy 2:15 EVERY TIME you read the Bible from now on. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 28, 2012
 Thank you, Rick B. I absolutely love you!
by: Very Grateful

Why do I love you? Because I love intelligence. What is intelligence for me? Someone or something that can see.

I started reading this forum hours ago, and I imagined I would read it from beginning to end.

I stopped about 20-25% through (imagining I would write this when I read through the very end), when I realized that it was basically repeating itself over and over, and that there would be no real need for me to read everything unless I wanted a re-run of the same questions over and over and over.

I, up to two weeks ago, had pretty much abandoned my faith, the bible (everything), Christ for sure, for about the last 15 years because I could not understand why I was born gay, and yet gonna be sorry (put to death, etc.).

It was insanity to me, and I refused to continue to beat myself up over this craziness. (And for those that are not capable of understanding that being gay is not a choice, let me assure you this: in no way have I chosen to be this way. Anyone that thinks that, well, frankly is really, really ignorant... and has not asked even the most obvious of questions. Sorry if that offends you (whoever), but really, get a clue. But that topic is for a different time and place, because what I want to say now, I feel has far more reaching implications.)

As I said "up to two weeks ago", suggesting that something has changed, well changed it has. And this is why I say I love you Rick, and why I want to share my story.

About two weeks, I was on the internet (which I am an avid study freak of just about everything and anything), I unintentionally landed on a site about the Mark of the Beast--something that when I was married to a woman and had 3 children with, we talked about more often than not.

Well, of course, I had to read about it, and it got me thinking (I divorced 3 years ago because I came out to my wife that I was gay), that I would go to hell anyway, so what difference would it make whether I took the mark or not. It was at this point I REALLY wanted to get clear about the BIBLE and HOMOsexuality. I figured I was going to put to rest once and for all this matter. I had tried several times before, only to conclude I was screwed (being gay, no pun intended)... something I tried to change without success.

Well, long story short, I found so many things, much of which, you, Rick, have offered. When I found these things, my heart melted. I sobbed for hours because it became effervescently clear to me that God did love me, and that I was not going to be lost as I had assumed. Now I digress....
Dec 28, 2012
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by: Grateful

When I was 21, I had served a church mission (Mormon) and was (number wise) regarded as world "top baptizer". Now to put this into perspective, my companion and I baptized more people in one month than the entire mission (total of all other groups of companions) did. I could go on and on, but suffice it to say, despite the seeming evidence and the closeness I felt with God, I nonetheless exited my mission in a total quandary because I met a woman (and baptized her while on my mission) who I felt I would marry, whereby I was not in love with her, and resisted the whole idea from the get go. So I told God, I would do whatever He wants of me, and then did a rather strange act and sought a sign because I felt such situation would never end (the voices in my head, ha ha), and with such “deal” with God, which would never present itself, I could / would be off the eternal hook of having to marry this girl.

I told God the following: You make me a flight attendant; I will court her (because I will be able to return to the land of my mission with the free travel benefits afforded to a flight attendant). I will get to know her parents and do the normal, bla, bla bla thing so that it all makes sense (fall in love, etc.) I went on to say, since such “agreement” I was making would never happen, because I am not even going to apply for such position, I will not have to marry her, and that will be that, and I don't ever want to be bothered by this “thing” again. Amen.

Well, what happened is, I was doing my farewell talk, the last day of my mission, and would be getting on a plane the next morning to leave, and a member came up to me (after the close of the meeting) to tell me how he enjoyed my testimony, etc. I had had this sort of thing happen rather frequently, and so I expected it to be like the rest, and I graciously said, thank you, and answered his questions respectfully, but not really thinking anything of them (i.e. so what you gonna do after your mission, etc.)

Well, after going through the gamut of questions, he says to me, "I want to make you a Flight Attendant. I am the Western Hemisphere Director of American Airlines for in-flight services; I am offering you a job with American Airlines as a Flight Attendant."

My reply? "OK, I will marry her."
His reply? "What did you say?"

"Nothing, never mind. So what shall I do to pursue your offer?"

OK, believe it or not, this has everything to do with the topic I started out with, and I will try to quickly get to the point as best I can.

I did marry her. I did not take the job offer with American Airlines because I really didn't want the job. I was just using that as an excuse to not have to marry her.
Dec 28, 2012
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by: Grateful

We had three children, and an enormous amount of difficulty. I struggled for years trying to reconcile my gay feelings with no real resolve. Bear in mind, when I married, I did not know I was gay and have since envied guys who have told me they found out when they were like 8 or 10. Oh, sure, I had gay thoughts, but how I was raised, those thoughts were to be ignored and not thought about. So, I just figured every guy thought that way, and had to work REALLY hard to not think them. So, that is what I was doing. I made all sorts of pacts with God, all of which were broken, and all of which only caused me to feel like that much more of a failure/loser.

I could not understand why I was this Spiritual Giant, yet I could not even resolve something as simple as homosexuality. I used to believe that with God, Nothing Is Impossible.

Well, I left the church at about age 28, although it was mostly in the form of becoming inactive and I was troubled easily for another 10 years thinking, hell, hell, oh well, that's where I'm going, straight to hell.

As time persisted, by about age 40 I had pretty much dumped all previous beliefs, and found comfort in knowing that the Bible was just a big joke... as well as was ALL RELIGION. (I said I would try to get to the point, but I knew it would not be easy; please stand by.)

Anyway, as I said, we divorced 3 years ago. I told her I was gay 4 years ago, about a year went by, she filed for divorce after 22 years (of hell). (I realized, then, I was already in hell, so what difference does it make that I am going there. At least I will be accustomed to it.) She was committing adultery with a guy, and said she could not go on doing so while we were married.

It was the same twisted thinking, behavior that you have so significantly helped people to understand (in this forum), although 2 things did occur to me:

1) Do people even read the past posts? Because they seem to ask the same questions and make the same comments that have already been covered. Guess not.

2) How is it that people listen to your replies, and don't get it?

These two questions are more rhetorical. No need to reply. I have my ideas as to why they do this. Again, another topic for another time.

What you have talked about, ever frequently, I so get! I will tell you real fast why I was a top baptizer. Love. Love. Love. I have it. I manifest it. People get it.

So, here's what happened. After I studied the whole "lost Gay Guide, not" for gay people, and learned what the Bible was really all about regarding this topic, I started feeling really good for the first time in a generation and 1/2 of time.
Dec 28, 2012
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by: Grateful

Clearly, there was no way I would return to Mormonism, or any other ISM for that matter because that made no sense to me. But the point was, is, I finally for the first time in many years got it. I got the following:

1) God really does love all of us, and what we have to do to return to Him has little to with our sexual orientation, little to do with our adultery, little to do with our lusting, and so much more to do with accepting Christ as our Savior. And this is why I love you, because you return over and over again to this most basic of truths. Why others fail to see this, I don't know.

2) It is amazing to me how "Christians" don't get this. They spend so much time talking about who is not worthy and what sins are worst, and arguing about all this, while in most cases, not one minuscule feather weight of Love is even present in their tone, their logic, their heart, or their position. How do they think they rate?

Above all the 10 commandments are the two great commandments, that supersede the 10 below them: One being: Love the neighbor as thyself with all thy heart, mind....

If any of you are fulfilling this commandment (the 2nd great commandment, mind you), why do so many of you come off the way you do? And more importantly, why does anyone care? (about which is sin or isn't). It's not your job, not your problem, not your place, not your concern, not your LIFE to be fussing over. Take care of yourself already. Worry about you. Worry about loving your neighbor. Can you do that? That's what counts (and accepting Christ and having faith in Him).

This, Rick, is why I love you. I sense you get this. I admired your replies, your many, many, many replies. Your ability to explain things... Your patience with what I feel are people who are ridiculous, in that they miss the most basic of things... like the need to love BEFORE worrying about anything else.

A few guys/gals hit on that. That was nice. I was pleased. But the majority did not. I thought it was interesting folks who said, "After much, prayer, study, bla, bla, bla, I still find it to be a sin. Who cares? Did you love your neighbor? Can you love the sinner? Are you able to not judge? Are you worrying about something that isn't even your problem (i.e. you are not homo, it does not affect you [sin wise, if a sin] so why care that it is or isn't as it relates to someone else? Seems kind of foolish to me.

Let's see. I don't murder, but I think it's time well spent to run around and argue with people that do murder, and condemn them because they are thinking murder is OK. Yeah, that sounds like a worthy use of my time. After all, if I don't clarify this for them, I can't get them saved. Oops. Just forgot. Not my place to save them. But it IS my job JUDGE them, ARGUE with them, and tell them they are going straight to hell, because that is how you love your neighbor.
Dec 28, 2012
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by: Grateful

Oh, my gosh. It seems so obvious to me that that is not the way you love your neighbor. That's more the way you Hate your neighbor. A drrrr. (I now sense someone is going to chime in with, “Ah but you must warn your neighbor. “ Please, with all due respect: Save it! When you fail to love, the need to warn and the ability to influence (warn) your neighbor is useless. That’s like fighting for peace. It’s incongruent with basic common sense. Think about it. If you really are sincere about your intent, start with love. You can warn all you want after they feel your love. Put first things first. The rest will come when the teaching moment presents itself… if it is even your job to teach, least of all to judge.


In conclusion, Rick, I once again, want to tell you I admire your patience you have with this forum. I love the way you explain things. Some say, you are twisting things. I don't think so. I think you have (for the things I did read) simply explained things to people that too many have not taken the time to research on their own.

As I said, about two weeks ago, I went on a huge research trek to really get to the bottom of this topic. And I was shocked when I studied what the original words were before "so called" translators chose to interpret and change them. The NIV? What a joke.
For example, I was shocked at the real basis of the Sodom and Gomorrah dealio. I felt sad that for so long I was confused. I was also very sad for the other millions of people that have invariably been punished for this horrible, and grossly mis-understood story. Ignorance. Give a man just enough knowledge to be dangerous. That’s what ignorance is. Then, I wondered why I would be so confused for so long, and not find out sooner.

I have my own ideas why, and I am grateful (I think) as to those challenging circumstances, and I am not mad at God for lavishly allowing me to go through what I have; it has been highly educational. Clearly had I found this out 20 years ago, I would not know the suffering, nor the profound difficulty that so many pass through regarding this issue. (Before I realized I HAD this issue, life was very, very easy for me. I could do just about anything I wanted (talent wise), had no difficulty achieving the things I wanted, pretty much everything came very easy for me. Then this… (loud, unnerving gong sound please).

And I used to tell my sister, there is nothing, and I mean nothing, more difficult than this. Whether that is really true, I probably won't know until I have walked in "all shoes" of problems. I just know that I HAVE walked this one, and it's been a Doosey. The countless times I thought I should end my life, etc. speaks to this pain--among so many other things I don't have the time to expound on.
Dec 28, 2012
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by: Grateful

Bottom line, I, being a freak of wanting to know everything, "suppose" I asked God to allow me to learn everything I possibly could (while here) and sadly, this is the lot I get to live to meet out such request.

It is finished (hooray), I now feel, and I just want you to know that I really appreciate you, your intelligence and I hope your diligent responses help some along the way.

Of course, we are just barely getting started, earth wise, and some very exciting things are about to happen. It's gonna be scary to watch what is going to really play out for “most” so-called Christians, and I assume (sorry) that we are all gonna see right quick where they stand and what they stand for. Biblically speaking, most will take the mark of the beast and be cast into the lake of fire after the 3 1/2 years of the beast’s rule, right along with Satan (who is the beast).

It does not surprise, when you consider so much arguing is going on about something that does not even affect them, while spewing so much hate at the same time. This alone should be a huge red flag as to whether one who is taking this tone, is even close to Him (or His teachings). And for the well, intending, here, I am not passing judgment. I am just reiterating what the Bible says about “how many” will take the mark and follow the beast. Nothing personal here. (It says “most” all.)

There is much to learn about this topic (gay), about LOVE, about, well, everything, and it is both exciting and irritating that there is SO MUCH to grasp. But for those that want it, it is there for the having. For those that do not, and prefer to just join the dogma fest, they can do that too... but I am certain that is not going to take 'em very far when the Satan hits the fan (comes to earth in the guise of Christ with false prophets claiming to be Moses and Elijah--side kids of the beast (Satan).

Finally, after 49 years, I am at peace with homosexuality. There seems to be a resurrecting of belief in Christ and the Bible (in me), and I am getting back to what once was, not as a Mormon, not as a heterosexual, but as a single man, who is gay, and chooses to live (for now) in celibacy. And not because I fear or anything like that, but mostly because the Bible says it is a gift (to live in celibacy) and a single man can serve Christ without anything distracting him. So far, that has been what I have noticed, so for now, and because I don't have a lover, I plan to keep things simple (this way).

Thanks again, Rick for all you do. I love you; I respect you and I wish you only the best.

And just in case, someone missed the point, it is this: Love, Love, Love. Faith in Christ. Trials you will have, insane crusades will you take venture in, but at the end of the day (even your life), have love, have faith, accept Christ, and everything else is just housekeeping. And the other point was, Thank you Rick for all you do. I love you brother!
Dec 28, 2012
 A few more thoughts...
by: Grateful

Just got done reading Your Coming Out Story. Very similar to mine. My mom died of cancer, my dad still alive. My dad is still trying to figure "why" but loves me more than ever.

Everything you talked about, I related to. The anger, the confusion, the "assumptions" that what I had been taught was correct, the depression, the loneliness, the missed opportunities with past guy friends, one of which I miss to this day (and I think was in love with me--we were inseparable, but now have lost contact).

So, yeah, I really relate to your story and fully get every part of it.

I did not purse ministry like you did, but did serve a mission (as explained before)... so I even get that aspect (setting up churches, conversions, etc.)

Anyway, I read your story last, and a few others (that reflect somewhat what I said) and so now I am repeating (so to speak) what has already been said.

It is very interesting to me how the Christian world is such an inhospitable place, and yet, nobody ever takes notice of that... something that as a gay man (I suppose) is so impossible for me to be. I have loved everyone, even the sinner, and not just cuz I saw myself as one, because I loved people before I knew I was gay. But just because it is so clear to me that that is what being Christ-like is all about.

Anyway... love this site, so glad I found it. Understand and agree with everything you have done here (in that I discovered what you also did, on my own, and had many of the same thoughts and questions you did). Very cool. Take care. God Bless. And I guess from this point forward (now that we know), we just have to trust that God sets up everything for a reason (like you said, in a scripture, to strengthen).

I can't say that I am honestly happy about all that strengthening, but then I guess "someday" it will become clear to me how much of a benefit it all was. Hopefully I will come to appreciate that sooner than later.

Until further notice... Thanks again for all you have done here. It is much appreciated!
Dec 28, 2012
 @ Grateful
by: Rick Brentlinger

Would you Contact Me? I appreciate your inspiring story and your kind comments and I'd like to publish your comments on a dedicated page but want to make sure that is okay with you first. Many thanks. - Pastor Rick
Dec 30, 2012
 God could have fixed it
by: Her Boi

I am a lesbian in a long term relationship and yes I am a Christian. I have a theory about the whole homosexuality is a sin thing. According to the bible God knew who and what we were going to be before we were born.

Jeremiah 1:5 NIV "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations

KJV2000 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet unto the nations."

This being so I firmly figure that if God the omnipotent, all-powerful knew me prior to my birth then He knew full well I was going to be lesbian. Therefore it stands to reason that if He didn't want me being lesbian then He could have fixed it before I was born.
Dec 30, 2012
 Homosexuality in the bible
by: Anonymous

the term homosexuality is very new to the bible
Thus, when you see one of these terms in an English translation of the Bible, it is accurate. The word "homosexual" first appeared in an American Bible in 1973, the New International Version (NIV). It seems to have appeared in a version in the United Kingdom, the (NEB), a few years earlier.

Rick's comment: Here are the facts. The word homosexual is a modern term and there are no semantic equivalent words in ancient Hebrew or first century Greek language. The word homosexual did not come into English language usage until 1892. The first use of the word "homosexuals" in an English language Bible occurred in 1946 in the Revised Standard Version New Testament.
Dec 30, 2012
 What about Romans?
by: Anonymous

You left out the 1st chapter of Romans. That chapter says it all but let's just look at what god did to the gays in Sodom and Gomorrah. He burnt everyone in these 2 cities because of homosexuality. God is the same yesterday, today and forever more. His look on homosexuality is the same today as it was the day he destroyed and killed everyone in these 2 cities. What was a sin then remains to be a sin today.

Rick's comment: No kiddo - I cover Romans extensively on this website and in my book. And the Sodom story? Did you know that the Bible never mentions homosexuality when it mentions Sodom? I mean, not even one time. Think about that. God and the Bible disagree with your views.

Are you willing to change your views so that you agree with God and the Bible?

Look on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says, for more information.
Dec 30, 2012
 been a while.
by: Mari Bay

alright, arguing to you, or about this topic generally is sort of like trying to get the Catholic Pope to stop praying to Mary. Pointless. I believe what I believe, and you do the same.

If both parties "claim" to be Christians, both parties should know, that God speaks against trying to argue with each other. We are not supposed to argue with anyone. You say a point - they say a point, but if you constantly repeat it over and over again, that's arguing. So, I apologize for keeping it going.

I should've kept my beliefs to myself, and move on, to be an example of Christ. Live the word through my actions, I'm tired of worrying about others, who may possibly confuse the word of Christ. I know what it means, so that's all that really matters. I believe, the Bible, speaks against the idea of Homosexuality, seeing that they put "abominable, or detestable and homosexuality" in the same sentence. But, can't convince everyone. I accepted that much. I will continue to love all, gay or straight, and follow God's laws the best I can. God bless.
Jan 05, 2013
 To Anti-Gay haters
by: Anonymous

Every human on this earth has a purpose in life, even homosexuals. If they choose to receive God's grace and Jesus' salvation, then that would be a testament to his Will. God loves all people on this earth... Sure, not all of them will receive the Kingdom of God but those who accept Christ into their lives will be saved...

Read John 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

Also read Leviticus 19:18 - "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, But love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord."

I'm not gay but I believe anyone deserves the right to be saved despite being considered unfavorable in the community. Back then the demon-possessed and people with Leprosy were excluded and shunned by Society, but the Lord was still willing to save them. If Jesus Christ was willing to save the unfavorable, he should save the homosexuals. So hear what Rick has to say and I pray for you to open up and embrace your hearts with love. - God Bless.
Jan 07, 2013
 I am torn.
by: Creighton

I am just so confused as being a gay male. Do I remain celebate in order to be saved. I am so scared it gives me added anxiety. There are so many conflicting opinions. I have accepted God & Christ in my heart, Try to be a good person with no ill will & wonder if I find someone of the same sex to care about & not be lonely. I cant see how God would want to torture me certainly not in a fiery hell! But I most def want to believe that I will go to heaven even if im gay? I cant make myself be with the opposite sex. So again I am torn on whether I must just die alone :( . My Mom who is Jehova Witness says there is no Hell because a loving God wouldn't do that. But I most def want to be in Paradise. I wish God could really just tell me himself.

Rick's comment: Creighton, there is hope and help for you IF you will believe what God says in the Bible in context, 1 Thessalonians 2:13. It will also help you to read, study and believe the biblical information at these Links. Until you do that, nothing will make much sense to you on the gay issue.

1. Can I know for sure I am saved?

2. What happens when I get saved?

3. What is justification by faith?

4. Does God love me if I'm gay??

5. Gay Christian FAQ for anyone who loves truth.
Jan 07, 2013
 yes and no
by: Anonymous

you must repent your sin of being a homosexual and beg for his forgiveness, because its a sin for a man to lay with another man, you cannot lay with another man and be a christian, sorry thats the way it is, dont like it then make up your own religion!

Rick's comment: How long will you continue in your cowardly ignorance Mr. or Ms. Anonymous? Don't you ever feel lazy and guilty before God for refusing to study His word in context?
Jan 15, 2013
 You speak through the flesh, not the Holy Spirit..
by: Emily

I dont understand; in so many different verses in the bible, it says that being homosexual is wrong, the word homosexual might not exactly be there but it is still clear what is says that it is wrong ( a sin). Yet there is not one verse in the bible that says its ok.. its obvious, you dont have to say you have been studying the bible for so long... You speak in the flesh not in the spirt, as instead of clearing up things for others, you are confusing them... and that is really wrong..you are preaching the opposite of God's words.. read Galatians 1: 8-9. If ur preaching something else not in the bible, it clearly says, let them be accursed, also read James 4:17 if you know God is correct then You should be too, if you don't agree with what he says in his word, then you are not correct which is what you are doing when you change what the Bible says.
So here it is, Sodom and Gomorrah, you are correct the word homosexual is not in there but if u read it, it cleraly says that the men were asking and looking for them, so instead, lot offerend them his virgin daughters. why would a man offer other men his daughters so they would not ask for the men that were angels? he clearly says virgin so maybe the men would choose the girls instead of the angels but it does not work them want the men, why? because the are inded homosexual, if u read it, it says all the men come looking for them. The angels were sent from God, they try to stay away from men that want to be with them, why because it is wrong they knew it so they blinded them and the city was destroyed because of all the sin.. God knows, so why dont you know? you keep saying its ok but clearly it wasnt and isnt.. you can read it.. Genesis 19. 4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, 7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. 8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. 9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. 11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. I pray that the bind you have in your eyes is removed for you to see the truth... I Love You in the Name of God :)

Rick's comment: There, there. Of course you do.
Jan 15, 2013
 Homosexuality is a sin
by: Anonymous

My brothers and sisters do not let the devil deceive you on such a matter. Homosexuality is a sin just as murder is a sin. A whole city was destroyed because of such a sin namely Sodom and Gomorrah. Do not be deceived the grace of God does not give us permission to sin it infect teaches us to live holy lives. If you are gay and continue to be gay you will definitely go to hell and eventually the lake of fire. These words are true and to be trusted. If anyone of you has the Spirit of God he will know these words are true. If you want help to pray about it I can help you.

Rick's comment: You poor deluded thing. Spreading lies and mis-information and condemning to hell those of us who have been saved by the blood of the Lamb.

Your assignment for this week is to read, memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and Ephesians 4:25. You need to help yourself before you can help others.

P.S. - How can you help us when you don't have the courage to put your real name with your mean spirited comments?
Jan 16, 2013
 Thanks for open debate
by: Stokieshazer

Thank you for the open debate on this site. I have been following it for a long time now. God Bless.

Rick's comment: Thanks for your kind words. They are much appreciated and so are you. I prefer not to post links to offsite videos here in the Comments so I edited that portion of your Comment.
Jan 17, 2013
 Just wanted to say thanks
by: Lex

I just wanted to say thank you for posting this article. You are 100% correct, and it is relieving to see another strong Christian who believes like myself. Although I am not gay, growing up and hearing all of the "hell fire" that awaited gays and tales of God's hatred of them, it never added up to me. I've been researching this subject for a long while now, and your article has been immensely helpful.

You backed your statements and facts up with scripture, not arbitrary interpretations and opinions. It amazes me still how some people can call themselves Christians and so harshly judge homosexuals. God is love, and he forgives. All one needs to do is accept him as Savior, as you pointed out. In the Bible, it also says:

"For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it."

Christians sometimes think themselves higher than others because they are not gay, yet they have broken other parts of the law on a daily basis, such as lying and coveting. People seem to forget this when I remind them that sin is sin in God's eyes, and if God forgives lies, he forgives homosexuality as well (even though as you pointed out, it's not a sin in the Bible.) Before I start rambling, I just felt compelled to thank you again for your beliefs and work on this piece.

Rick's comment: Thanks for your kind words Lex. The crux of the issue is always the gospel - have we believed the gospel and are we saved by grace alone through faith alone in the shed blood of Jesus Christ alone.

The real issue is not now and never has been whether or not someone is gay or lesbian, bisexual or transgendered. Only the ignorant and the sex-obsessed try to make everything into a sexual issue.
Jan 22, 2013
 Not condemning, just curious
by: Anonymous

While I myself do not feel compelled on the topic one way or the other (not to say I don't want everyone to see eternity with Christ) as I'm of a straight orientation, I do not believe that homosexual impulse, or any other impulse is a sin.

A sin requires action, thought nor physical impulse is action (though Christ's statement regarding lust might even call that belief into question) However it is put very straightforward what marriage is, and sexual acts outside of marriage is sin. How is homosexual activity resolved? Is there some argument that is posed against the KJV translation in any of the points where marriage is described as being between a man and woman?

Rick's comment: Our Gay Christian FAQ answers your thoughtful questions.
Jan 22, 2013
 dude
by: iused

I used to be gay when I was a kid but I saw a different verse other than that that said that you go to hell, said something like if a man lie with another man as if it were a woman it's bad and god won't forgive you.

so even if i'm no longer gay i'm still going to hell. so that's why i'm kind of not really christian anymore.

besides it's the whites mans religion and i'm part native american so.

Rick's comment: I too am part native American. My great-grandmother on Dad's side was Shawnee. Christianity is not the white man's religion. Every human author of the Bible was Jewish, which used to be referred to as Oriental, to distinguish from Caucasoid and Negroid.

The verses you referenced are Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. You really should look them up and read them because they do not say what you think they say. The part about, God won't forgive you, is not in the verses.

I encourage you to make sure you are saved and living for Jesus. It will also help you to read our Gay Christian FAQ since there are so many lies and myths floating around these days. God bless you!
Jan 24, 2013
 While we're on the topic
by: Jason

I think most people know the answer to this. Just off the top of my head, I don't think there can be such a thing as a 'gay Christian'. It's just an absurdity thats the equivalent of saying 'A Satanic Christian', there's no special acceptance of your particular sexual orientation in the Faith.

As a straight male, its considered sinful to gaze upon women with a lust in my heart, or hatred upon my brother makes me a murderer. If I did these things and just said 'well thats how God made me' I'd be considered in the same vein of logic as a self described 'adulterer-murderer Christian'. My point is you're either Christian or you're not.

If you don't leave behind your homosexuality, or any other sexual immorality then you're NOT a Christian. I'm not saying this in a judging way, but as truthful as I can be in a biblical context. Once you've accepted Jesus Christ there's no ifs ands or buts, and there's no don't ask/don't tell policy in this army.

But what I can tell my brothers & sisters in the Lord who are Gay but have sacrificed that part of themselves for their faith there's a great love you've been given by our God. Just remember that he gave more than you or I could ever hope to sacrifice in this world.

Rick's comment: Note to Jason, just off the top of my head. Please do NOT believe everything you think. Your assignment for this week is to read, memorize and apply 2 Timothy 2:15 every time you read the Bible. Let me know when you've completed your assignment. Many thanks.
Jan 27, 2013
 The Bible Does State That GOD is against Homosexuality
by: Anonymous

The Word of God, it plainly states through out the Bible God that is not for same sex marriage.

OLD TESTEMENT Genesis 5:2 (NKJV) He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created.

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with male as with a woman. It is an abominatio­n.

NEW TESTAMENT 1 Corinthian­s 6:9–10 Do you not know that the unrighteou­s will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicator­s, nor idolaters, nor adulterers­, nor homosexua­ls,

Rick's comment: The Greek word arsenokoitai was incorrectly translated homosexuals in the version you cited since it NEVER meant homosexual and was never used in the first century A.D. to mean homosexual. ­

1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Jesus said in the new testament that He has not come to abolish the laws enforced and effect before His coming.

Matthew 5: 17“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

People are being deceived they can JUST come to church and stay as they are. However, God is a God of order, doesn't show favoritism,he doesn't lie or change his mind.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it?....

ACTS 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be CONVERTED, that your sins MAY be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come.

Rick's comment: Yet oddly enough, NONE of the verses you cited says that God is against homosexuality and NONE of the verses you cited plainly state that God is not for same sex marriage.
Jan 28, 2013
 Really!!!
by: Anonymous

Lev 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Rick's comment: Are you honest enough to read these pages and watch the very short videos? I hope you are. Shrine or temple prostitutes.

1 Cor 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Rick's comment: Even the most anti-gay Christians admit that the context of 1 Cor 6:9 is temple prostitutes.

Arsenokoites describes temple prostitutes, not gays.

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again. As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same you would any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin.

Therefore, you should show him same dignity as anyone else you come in contact with. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of godliness.

Rick's comment: Repeating the lie that the word homosexual belongs in 1 Cor 6:9 does not make the lie become truth. I pray God your spiritual blindness be lifted so that you may understand what the Bible says in context.

The context of the verses you cited is temple prostitution. It is not honest to rip verses out of context and then insist that the out of context verses mean something they did not mean in context.
Jan 31, 2013
 The Proper Perspective
by: Anonymous

Guys, we need a proper perspective on this.

Being gay is a sin. It is.

Here's where a proper perspective should be done:

Lying is a sin too. So is killing, cheating, and all kinds of small sins that we do everyday.

Being gay is a sin the same as all kinds of sins out there.

We sin too. We sin differently than gay people but we sin.

So it is not a question of "Will homosexuals go to hell" but shift our perspective into "Will sinners go to hell"

We know that sinners go to hell and the only way to be cleansed and saved is through trusting Jesus Christ

trusting Him means we have a genuine heart to live for Him and obey ALL of his commands.

so if we had drug tendencies, we would be doing our best to avoid drugs

if we always lied, we would repent and start telling the truth and make it a habit

if we're gay, we would do our best to stop our sexual tendencies and focus on God

it's all about the proper perspective.

Rick's comment: You need a proper foundation before you can have a proper perspective. The proper foundation is: Do not base what you believe on faulty presuppositions or on verses ripped out of their biblical context.

You begin by assuming something that the Bible never says (being gay is a sin) and which you therefore have no reason to believe aside from your faulty presuppositions.

I'm not sure why you Anonymous commenters lack the courage to put your real name with your views.

I'm also wondering why you refuse to read and consider historically accurate views which differ from what you were taught. For example, in the previous comment, there are blue text links with factual information. Why do you refuse to deal with those facts?

I'm guessing it is because facts contradict your viewpoint and you are more focused on defending your opinion than on embracing truth wherever you find it. And that is an intellectually stultifying and spiritually dangerous thing to do.
Feb 03, 2013
 There are NO gay Christians
by: Paul Martin

The scriptures that you lie about being misinterpreted condemn you already. The Bible talks about the abomination of homosexuality throughout. The word talks about people like yourself deceiving and being deceived. It also says that these same people come to the point in their sin that they have developed a seered conscious. Even if you knew nothing about the Bible God has put a conscious in every person. And that conscious shows us what we are doing right and wrong.

The Lord Jesus Christ gives everyone the choice to accept him and "turn from their wicked ways". You can't accept Christ and not turn away from a wicked life. Jesus said, (and that's really the only one to listen to), that you cannot serve two masters. Him or Satan is the choice. Satan tempts and tells us to do the opposite of what Jesus says to do. I encourage any Homosexual here to read and study the bible for themselves and ask Jesus to save them from their sin and ultimately hell. Hell is real and it's for anyone that rejects Christ and say to him, not your will Jesus, but my will be done. Homosexuality is a choice and so is heaven or hell. - Paul Martin

Rick's comment: Kudos for using a real name. I'm always amazed at how easy it is for you guys who are flogging an agenda to ignore what the Bible says in context. Must you always replace what the Bible says with your own opinion? Doesn't that bother your conscience even a little bit? Strange, very strange.
Feb 04, 2013
 Reward For Correct Page Number
by: Anonymous

Does Anyone No What Page Or Section Of The King JAmes bible They Talk About Whores And Girls Acting And Dressing Likee Whores Can Yall Email me the page number
$100 dOLLAR rEWARD IF You can tell me the correct page number please and thank you.

Rick's comment: Proverbs 7:10 says: "And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot and subtil of heart."

Christian women are to dress differently. 1 Timothy 2:9a says: "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel."
Feb 04, 2013
 thanks for the info
by: Shane

Rick, I've finally gotten all the information I needed on arsenokoites to finish the project I've been working on

my school rebuilding its GSA and I am helping get it started. I've recently written a tract with a bunch of information I've gathered from your website and elsewhere concerning the Bible and homosexuality (I hope you don't mind that I also added a link to your site on the back). I'm counting on there being Christians in my school who have gone through similar struggles I've been going through and I'm hoping this will help them at least a little bit

again thank you so much for this website. you truly are a blessing

Rick's comment: You're welcome Shane. So glad I can be helpful.
Feb 15, 2013
 open ur eyes and walk in a spiritual path
by: Anonymous

it means if a person do any type of crime also jesus will forgive ah. homosex is a crime bcoz that man is cheating his parents and wife. the lines say that jesus is encouraging homosex and lesbians. do any crime trust in jesus. so funny hahaha

Rick's comment: You really need to read this page: How to be SURE I am saved.
Feb 16, 2013
 in context study
by: Sarah

Rick, Your study of God's word is certainly encouraged!I would like to challenge you to go from deductive teaching here to inductive teaching. I'm very curious how you explain all of chapters 6 and 7 from your perspective. In order to study the Word of God, you and I are both aware that we must study based on the entire context of scripture. Looking in 1 Corinthians 6-7, we find for instance, in chapter 7, v.1 "It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman. But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband." The scripture goes on to describe direction for living as man and wife.

My concern with the way you are teaching and applying scripture is that there is never any encouragement in the Lord in the Bible for how man and man or woman and woman should live as portrayed in 1 Corinthians 6-7. Because it would not behoove your intentions, how then would you teach it? Does it seem pointless? Surely not, if it's God's Word. Also, out of curiosity, I'm wondering if you have research to support the use of homosexuality (not anything else, no other wording) in a positive light.

Where in the Bible do people who state that they are saved and homosexual find peace that this IS a sanctified lifestyle? Where is it proven in other words? Forgive me for all these questions, my heart goes out to you and your pursuit of our Lord! I pray you be so blessed as you continue to seek Him!

Rick's comment: Hi Sarah. The Bible addresses ancient culture as it found it. So we see that polygamy was affirmed and blessed back then although polygamy is not legal in western countries today. Polygamy is analogous to gay relationships. In some periods of church history, polygamy was acceptable and in some periods it was not. Same with gay relationships. In some periods of church history they were not acceptable but in states and countries where they are legal, gay relationships are affirmed and blessed.

For Biblical examples where gay relationships are affirmed and blessed, Jonathan and David and Daniel and Ashpenaz are possible gay relationships. There is more proof for the J & D relationship than for the D & A relationship.

In the New Testament, Jesus mentions eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb. The eunuch class included gays and lesbians. The gay centurion in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 is another example of a gay relationship which Jesus affirmed and blessed.

Keep in mind, NONE of the clobber passages, in context, is talking about gays and lesbians. ALL of the clobber verses are talking about pagan temple prostitutes and temple prostitution in worship of the fertility goddess.

In 1 Cor 6, notice that the context of the chapter includes harlotry and prostitution, 1 Cor 6:16-18.
Feb 17, 2013
 Your Wrong
by: Anonymous

First I would like to say that I don't hate gays, I just hate homosexuality. God say in the Old Testament that homosexuals should be killed and in the book of Revelation Jesus says that Liars,Whore Mongers, God Hater's,Atheists,Hypocrites,Thieves and Homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom Of God.
It is not a myth. But, do not despair, pray to God to take away your homosexuality and he shall answer. You must full heartily WANT to change.

Rick's comment: Truth is available on this website if you want it. I'm sorry that you don't want truth right now but perhaps you will later on.
Feb 17, 2013
 i disagree
by: Anonymous

DONT TWIST THE SCRIPTURES! you are twisting what the bible says i am kinda bi and even i know that! if you dont believe homosexuality is a sin dont decieve others and say you are a christian -.- ITS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES YOU PEOPLE ARE DECIEVING OTHERS

Rick's comment: Kinda bi? Please take ten deep breaths and slowly exhale each one. Then please read this page and prayerfully consider what you read. Shrine prostitutes? Many thanks.
Feb 26, 2013
 Re: Dec 12
by: Anonymous

Don't you see the failed logic in that post? Just because God knew you before you were born, doesn't mean that whatever you do is acceptable. What about the murderer? We know that's a sin. What about the adulterer? We know that's a sin. Are you going to say that God was okay with that because he knew before that person was created that's how they were going to act?

I believe homosexuality is a sin. I do NOT believe all homosexuals will go to hell. But, as has been said a few times here, it's what you do with your life after you accept Christ that is important. I struggle with sin in my own life, and I have to ask repentance daily. But the whole debate between choice/born that way isn't relevant. Acting upon homosexuality is a sin. Just like using some other sickness as an excuse to sin is a sin.

God makes us the way he makes us, but that doesn't give us an excuse to live life how we want. It's that simple.

Rick's comment: If you are a Christian who bases your beliefs on what the Bible says, then please cite verses which say in context, that homosexuality is a sin. Many thanks.
Mar 05, 2013
 Does the Bible say homosexuals will go to hell?
by: Anonymous

YES It Does. It says in the Bible that NO Homosexual will EVER enter into the Kingdom of God!!!

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals. 1 Corinthians 6:9

Rick's comment: Do you Anonymous clowns all drop out of the same school? Do you always ignore facts so your opinion stays uniform with the rest of your low information peers? I guess you CAN'T fix stupid, not even with duct tape.
Mar 07, 2013
 Gays go to hell
by: by a real christian

in the holy bible gays do go to hell.all i read is a bunch of stupid stuff tha a gay person wrote.gay people don't know nothing about the holy bible.it say's in the holy bible gays would be put to death by god.and i got the proof to.and i got the proof gays do go to hell.there are a lot of gays in hell right now burning.who ever made this site is really stupid.

Rick's comment: Thanks for your comment. I needed a good laugh today and you supplied it. Much appreciated.
Mar 08, 2013
 The Bible Is Our Final Authority
by: Baptist Preacher

As a Baptist we believe the Bible is our final authority. You CANNOT show me anywhere in the Bible that God is for Homosexuality. Many people always ask whats wrong with it. I what you to ask "What's right with it?" What excuses are you going to give me about this passage? I'll Cap some words in case you miss them

Romans 1:24-28 KJV Wherefore God also gave them up to UNCLEANNESS through the LUSTS of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the TRUTH OF GOD into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto VILE affections: for even their women did change the NATURAL use into that which is against NATURE: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the NATURAL use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; MEN WITH MEN working that which is UNSEEMLY, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their ERROR which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 6:1-2 KJV What shall we say then? Shall we CONTINUE IN SIN, that grace may abound? 2 GOD FORBID. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Galatians 5:13 KJV For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only USE NOT LIBERTY FOR AN OCCASION TO THE FLESH, but by love serve one another.

You see, Rick Brentlinger, you are using your liberty for an occasion to the flesh. We are saved by grace but when we are saved we become a new creature.

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, ALL things are become NEW.

Now, go ahead and comment Rick, but I want Scripture. and show me some that say homosexuality is right - is pleasing to God. I can show you many where marriage between a man and a women is pleasing to God. I'll make another comment that will give you something to think about. In Christ, Nathan

Rick's comment: Hi Nathan. The scriptural truths on this website refute your illogic. I hope you'll take time to educate yourself and stop ripping verses out of context and using the out of context verses to condemn your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. Many thanks.
Mar 08, 2013
 The Bible Is Our Final Authority Part 2
by: Baptist Preacher

you say Marriage between same sex is okay to God. Really. lets see what Marriage is a picture of. I'm sure you've read this but probably ignore it so you can live in your sin. Once again I'm using Bible.

Ephesians 5:21-32 KJV... please look it up.

You see Marriage between a man and a woman is a picture of Christ and the church. We born again believers are the church (bride of Christ). And Christ is the husbandman.

Now, Rick, why don't you explain what the marriage between a man and a man is a picture of. or a woman and a woman? Once again, give me some Bible. come on Rick.

Rick's comment: Nathan, you have a weird disconnect in your thinking. You believe that you, a man, are part of the bride of Christ and will marry the man, Christ Jesus. Why is it okay for you, a man, to marry a man in heaven but it's not okay for me to marry a man down here on earth? Some Baptists have really weird beliefs about Christs bride.

Rick, understand that I'm doing this so you can understand the truth. I don't hate you or any other homosexual, but, as Christ does, I hate the sin. over and over the scripture says that homosexuality is sin. The Bible clearly says to repent which means to have a change of mind. That is the key - A change of mind. Yes we will sin, it is our fleshly nature but if our sin does not bother us we have not repented of it and when we get save there might be sin that we don't know that we are doing but when we see scripture that shows us what sin is we will have not want to do it.

Rick, please see the truth and repent from homosexuality (change your mind) that is the key. and someday I hope to see you in heaven. I am not saying that homosexuals are going to hell, but I am saying the Scripture does clearly show that we can be saved and live in our sin without a guilty conscience. Please, Rick, I hope you see the truth. In Christ, Nathan

Rick's comment: Nathan, you are not engaging any argument I made. Instead, you ignore the argument and change the subject so you don't have to deal with what the Bible says in context.
Mar 08, 2013
 The Bible Is Our Final Authority
by: Baptist Preacher

Come on Rick, give me some scripture, do not retreat to this website. I haven't seen any scripture in your comment. don't disappoint me.

Rick's comment: Nathan, your spiritual blindness is typical of so many anti-gay Christians. You refuse to deal with what the Bible says in context. You refuse to engage any argument I made in the post which started this exchange. You refuse to read and study and educate yourself. Then you demand that I answer you when my answer is on more than 800 pages of this website. Guys like you are so ensnared by your faulty presuppositions that you cannot think logically. And truth be told, you are incapable of teaching what the Bible says in context because your false presuppositions get in the way of truth.
Mar 09, 2013
 The Bible Is Our Final Authority
by: Baptist Preacher

Eunuch does not mean gay

G2135
εὐνοῦχος
eunouchos
yoo-noo'-khos
From εὐνή eunē (a bed) and G2192; a castrated person (such being employed in Oriental bed chambers); by extension an impotent or unmarried man; by implication a chamberlain (state officer): - eunuch.

Encyclopedia - Castrated human male. From remote antiquity on, eunuchs were employed in the Middle East and China as guards and servants in harems or other women's quarters and as chamberlains to kings. The eunuchs' confidential position frequently enabled them to exercise an important influence over their royal masters. Many of the patriarchs of Constantinople during Byzantine times were eunuchs. Eunuch advisers disappeared as a class only with the end of the Ottoman Empire. See also castrato.

Quote:
eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments. Nathan

Rick's comment: Your research is lazy and your understanding shallow. You need to grow up and perform due diligence so you don't look unlearned and ignorant. Here's a good place to start if you have the courage to read these pages.

Same Sex Attracted Eunuchs

Homosexual Eunuchs

I hope this information is helpful to you Nathan, as the blessed Holy Spirit leads you into God's truth.
Mar 09, 2013
 re: the Bible is our final authority
by: Shane

The reason God created eve was so that Adam did not have to live without someone to share himself with.

"And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him." Genesis 2:18

Example of a gay relationship in the Bible.

"I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women." 2 Samuel 1:26

Jesus affirming people who are homosexual, saying they do not have to be married to the opposite sex.

"But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Matthew 19:11-12

Paul's statement about marriage as an outlet for sexual expression and not procreation.

"I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn." 1 Corinthians 7:8-9

Paul's statement against people who forbid others to marry and/or eat meats, which are God-given.

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." 2 Timothy 4:1-5
Mar 19, 2013
 Where do you find your moral standards
by: james

i would just like to know what you would say god condemns remember he said to Mary go and sin no more not be what you want and i will accept it if you can truly convince yourself that god will just blanket forgive people who defy him what would you say he does condemn gods word clearly says to walk away from sin you can paint it any way you want but the words don't lie i would respect you more if you would just say I'm gay get over it the whole oppressed stic is getting old i mean whats next sex with animals pedophilia is OK what moral standards do you go by i am sure i could open a poor house to help lgbt and it would not be enough for you to convince you Christian's in general not all do not hate gay people thought i can find you a nut job for every cause you can imagine who just blatantly hates my prayers are with you may truth find you.

Rick's comment: Wow James, sorry you are hurting so much that you're lashing out at us. You compare gay love to sex with animals and molesting children and then tell us you're praying for us. What a sad lonely heart your comment reveals.

As saved gays and lesbians who are washed in the blood of the Lamb (Revelation 7:14, 12:11), our moral standards are based on what the Bible says in context AND on God's law written on our hearts, Romans 2:14-15.

We joyfully serve our Savior by living clean lives, winning souls, discipling those we win and serving God.

Have you ever been saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone? Are you a witness for Jesus Christ? Are you a soul winner? Have you ever street preached?
Mar 20, 2013
 Where does it say homosexuals go to hell?
by: Very confused

All day I've been trying to figure out where in the bible it says homosexuals go to hell. In the end i got nothing. i just saw several pointless immature arguments and a couple versions of the "verse" that claims (or not) that gays go to hell. I'm not trying to bash on any Religion or anything so please if I say something offensive I'm very truly sorry and please forgive me.

I used to go to a Catholic school and I've never heard anything about god hating gays and whatnot. I was always told that god loves everyone no matter what sin they've committed as long as they ask for forgiveness and believe they would move on to heaven.

Speaking of the bible wasn't that technically made by a human so maybe a homophobic made it. Or it could've been translated very poorly because its in so many languages and someone just happened to make an error. Who knows.

It's a shame see people of the same religion arguing about something that would probably never be cleared up in this ancient text. I think that someone should just rewrite this thing. And everyone should get along despite their sexual preference and just be happy that there's people out there whose able to find someone they love.

Rick's comment:
Thanks for your comment. I encourage everyone to believe the Bible because the Bible comes from God. Gays who are saved and have common sense, ignore anti-gay haters and we also ignore versions like the NIV, which incorrectly stick the word, homosexual, into 1 Cor 6:9. Hope you will keep reading so we can be a blessing to your spiritual life.
Mar 25, 2013
 amaze
by: gent

Come to Synacogue Church of all Nation and get delivered from that evil spirit. Stop decieving people. Genuine repentance keeps no room for more sin. What is bad is bad. Homexuality is a sin. You all need deliverance then the scales of homosexuality will fall off from your eyes. GOD love you

Rick's comment: Another low information commenter who has no idea what he is talking about because he has NEVER studied this issue. How long will you continue in your ignorance?
Mar 26, 2013
 You can
by: Think of the children

Jesus says in the New Testament YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR BEING GAY. So yes the bible says so.

Rick's comment: I will give you a one million dollar bill if you can provide a verse in the New Testament where Jesus says we will go to hell for being gay.

Your unbelievable ignorance is astonishing! I hope you get saved soon.
Mar 26, 2013
 Nashing of Teeth
by: Killerdokes

ef·fem·i·nate (-fm-nt) adj. 1. Having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men

1 Corinthians 6:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

As you see its in the King James version.

Rick's comment: No kiddo, it is NOT in the King James Version. You have a vivid imagination which apparently is not focused on truth.

Do not be deceived. What things deceive you? Love deceives you,lust deceives you,the rulers and forces of darkness deceive you

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12).

Leviticus 18:22 (Luther Bibel (1545))Du sollst nicht beim Knaben liegen wie beim Weibe; denn es ist ein Greuel. Translation --- Thou shalt not lie with boys as with a woman, for it is an abomination. Notice the 1545.

abomination [əˌbɒmɪˈneɪʃən] n 1. a person or thing that is disgusting 2. an action that is vicious, vile, etc. 3. intense loathing

God says your gross and vile.

Rick's comment: No sweetie, you said that. You're confusing people who molest children, mostly heterosexual men, with two gay men or two lesbian women.

vi·cious (vshs) adj. 1. Having the nature of vice; evil, immoral, or depraved. 2. Given to vice, immorality, or depravity. 3. Spiteful; malicious: vicious gossip. 4. Disposed to or characterized by violent or destructive behavior. See Synonyms at cruel. 5. Marked by an aggressive disposition; savage. Used chiefly of animals. 6. Severe or intense; fierce: a vicious storm.
7. Faulty, imperfect, or otherwise impaired by defects or a defect: a forced, vicious style of prose. 8. Impure; foul.

So in other words Repent and know God has instructed us to not trust evil that is you.

But remember For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Being Gay is a sin,it's through and through the bible. Dont be deceived. Ask Jesus to show you this,ask Jesus to give you the desires of your heart. He will take this belief out of you and put in the real one. Trust in Christ. God Bless.

Rick's comment: Truth is available if you desire it instead of your fables. "Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him." Prov 27:22

I guess I get to keep my one million dollar bill.
Mar 26, 2013
 see above
by: For the wages of sin is death

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

In order to go to heaven you have to confess your sins, being gay is a sin thus you have to repent that to Christ,and you haven't means your not saved or your a false teacher. You can rebut it all you want.

Rick's comment: Are you guys all drinking the same kool aid? Don't any of you guys ever study the Bible? Reading it and assuming it means whatever first pops into your empty little head is NOT studying the Bible.

Remember 2 Timothy 2:15? How about taking that to heart and doing some honest intensive study? How about doing some word studies so you'll begin to get familiar with what the Bible says in context?

Come on guys. Ignorance is NOT a fruit of the Spirit.
Mar 26, 2013
 Seutonius
by: Howie Gardner

I cannot confirm if you are right about kyon being translated as shrine prostitutes or not but I do know that the depictions of people bound for hell in Revelation 21 closely parallel Seutonius' description of Nero's cabinet. These people were molesting and mutilating male children, practicing sorcery through the use of drugs (pharmakia is the origin of our word pharmacist) murdering these children afterwards and outwardly portraying a wholesome public image while living in debauchery behind closed doors (a term usually translated as "liars" but perhaps better defined as "Narcissism").

It is quite possible that John is directing his words specifically to Nero and company. I am in no way homosexual and to be honest I am uncomfortable with the lifestyle but it does not seem reasonable for my side to be ostracizing everyone who disagrees on this matter.

Rick's comment: I know a lot of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people. The gay people I know are nothing like the pagan pervs in Emperor Nero's government.

John wrote the book of Revelation around A.D. 95. Nero died in A.D. 68 so it is unlikely that John the Beloved Apostle of Jesus was addressing anything in the Book of Revelation to Nero.

May I encourage you to remember that gays do not have a lifestyle anymore than heterosexuals have a lifestyle. We are individuals. Some of us are saved and born again Christians. Some of us are conservative politically and theologically. We are as individual and independent as heterosexuals.
Mar 26, 2013
 English is not the same as Greek
by: Shane

You cannot expect to find the definition of a Greek word in an English dictionary. Paul's letters were composed in koine Greek no later than AD 68, while the earliest forms of English appeared in the 600s AD. With this knowledge in mind, looking to Webster's for insight into a word used in the Bible seems ignorant, lazy, or just plain stupid.

Rick's comment: The apostle Paul was executed by the Roman government in AD 68. It helps us know what Paul meant by studying the koine Greek words he used and the way those words were used in and around the first century AD.
Mar 26, 2013
 Recommended resources for Bible study?
by: Shane

thank you for the correction on the dates. do you recommend any Lexicon Concordances I can refer to in order to learn the correct in-context meanings of words used in the Bible?


Rick's comment: Hi Shane. In my Bible study, I use many of the excellent FREE resources listed on our eDisciples page.

For Hebrew and Greek study, I often begin with BlueLetterBible.org That resource is available to anyone online and I can easily Link to it to help people study a particular Hebrew or Greek word.

I also use BDAG and other lexicons and commentaries which discuss language, including The Expositor's Bible Commentary, a good basic twelve volume set which I have in my office.

Some lexicons such as Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament were produced by unsaved men or at least, men who denied much of what constitutes Biblical Christianity.

So, what a lexicon says about the meaning of Biblical words is not always reliable. BlueLetterBible and similar online resources provide FREE online commentaries from Adam Clark, John Gill, Matthew Henry and others, which sometimes contain information about Hebrew and Greek word meanings, besides what those sites offer in their lexical helps.
Mar 27, 2013
 Concerned
by: Anonymous

I am extremely concerned. My son very recently told me about his sexuality and he is a very devoted Christian but will he still go to heaven since he believes in god and Jesus Christ?

Rick's comment: Jesus promised us this: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

Getting genuinely saved is always by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. If your son has trusted Jesus Christ as his Savior from sin and from hell, then he is going to heaven, regardless of his sexual orientation.
Mar 27, 2013
 Context and love
by: Elizabeth

The Bible is clear if read contextually. I am so tired of folk taking it out of context and teaching things about God that are an untrue portrayal of His character. He does not make mistakes, mankind does and they suffer the consequences of those choices both good and bad. He gives us an outline from Genesis to Revelation of how to live healthy, happy lives, how to walk in His grace, how to love and worship Him, and how to love one another.

He does not punish or threaten you with punishment, does not sanction you, hate you, try to manipulate you with fear of these things, if you choose to go your own way and not follow Him or His way and if you choose to walk outside His love, protection, and grace. He is not going to send you to an eternal place of fire and torment for choosing to remain in your sin.

Rick's comment: Wrong Elizabeth. God does punish sin and He does warn sinners to get saved or face the coming judgment - read Matthew 23. Hell is a real place where God sends people who do not get saved.

I edited out your false teaching about the soul sleeping in the grave and annihilation of the soul. I know that most websites would allow you to post false teaching but I don't want to confuse people by allowing that.

I don't know where you got your false beliefs about hell but I hope you will carefully read what Jesus taught about hell since Jesus definitely does not agree with your beliefs. We should conform our belief system to what Jesus believed and taught in the Bible.

How can I get saved?

https://www.gaychristian101.com/Jesus-On-Hell.html

https://www.gaychristian101.com/jesus-teaches-hell-101.html

https://www.gaychristian101.com/surprises-in-hell.html

Does the Bible say Jesus went to hell?

https://www.gaychristian101.com/saved-from-what-exactly.html

Read your Bible, study it for yourself with a prayerful, humble, and submissive heart to the Holy Spirit and He will give you understanding that will surpass all human reasoning and wisdom, and the light will come on like never before for you, a transformation will take place, and you will never be the same again.
Mar 29, 2013
 is it true?
by: sony

wow! intresting reading all these comments you really learn of them. i have a question, I have read a report that ALL homosexuals become homosexuals when they go threw trauma. Something had to snap in there life to turn against there oposite sex. Is this true? its hard to understand this since im straight. is it a mental physcal or emotional change that happends? I mean if its Gods will to be gay why is he so against it in the bible and why didnt he have gay desciples to teach us that was ok? we fallow Christ and his teachings right? Whats happining now in days? is it like man vs God, man vs the bible? man vs man? CRAZY MOMENTS!

Rick's comment: Being gay is not the result of mental, physical or emotional trauma. In Bible times, the word which described homosexuals was, eunuch. Jesus tells us in Matthew 19:11-12 that some eunuchs are born that way, from their mother's womb.

In plainer words, according to Jesus, gays are born that way. Being gay is not a choice we make for ourselves.

Gay disciples? How do you know all of Jesus' disciples were not gay? God used polygamists like Moses, King David and King Solomon to write part of the Bible.

The love story of Jonathan and David is a wonderful example of covenant love between two men. God portrays their loving relationship in a relentlessly positive light and contrasts their loving relationship with the rocky stormy difficult relationship David had with his wife Michel and his father in law, King Saul.

You can read about all of those topics by clicking on the NavBar buttons under, What The Bible Says.
Mar 30, 2013
 Hey
by: Anonymous

Do you know the spirit of sarcasm and pride is a demon?

Rick's comment: Really? Has it ever occurred to you that you are confusing truths you don't like with sarcasm and pride? Who told you the spirit of sarcasm and pride is a demon? Before you answer, please read John 8:44 & 47 -

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it...

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God."
Apr 01, 2013
 Just trying to understand...
by: Mark

Rick, So you are saying that you believe that a gay person who become saved will go to Heaven if he/she still engages in homosexuality behavior which is sin? What about a heterosexual who engages in sin all the time after he/she become saved? Will he/she not be separated from God because of the sin?

I am just trying to understand what point you are trying to make. - Mark

Rick's comment: First I will point out that being gay or having sex in a committed gay relationship is not sinful. Every verse folks use to say otherwise is taken out of context because the context of the clobber passages is temple prostitution.

Second, salvation in the church age is always by grace alone through faith alone in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ alone. There are NEVER any works involved to get saved or to stay saved. Jesus saves us from sin and from hell purely by His amazing grace.

When God saves us He gives us the perfect righteousness of Christ as a free gift. This is called justification by faith.

Many things happen when you get saved. At salvation God blesses us with ALL spiritual blessings in Christ Jesus. Those spiritual blessings include eternal security because the blood of God's Lamb redeemed us from ALL sin.

Every born again Christian still struggles with sin because our flesh did not get saved. Our soul got saved and our spirit got born again. Yet in the midst of our struggle, we are triumphant in Christ. Learning to walk in the Spirit, Galatians 5:16 and to live by faith, Hebrews 11:1, 6 are part of the sanctification process in which God works to make us like Jesus Christ.

Hope this information is helpful to you Mark.
Apr 01, 2013
 gays and lesbians
by: Anonymous

yes all gays and lesbians go to hell, you believe in God, HE did not creat adam and steve.

Rick's comment: Congratulations! You have just qualified for our Anonymous Moron of the week contest.
Apr 03, 2013
 RICK IS STUPID
by: JORDAN

rick your a dumbass listen up fools who think gays will go to heaven it's a lie being gay is a sin DON'T LISTEN TO RICK . RICK I HOPE YOU LEARN THE TRUTH SOON.
Apr 03, 2013
 rick is an idot
by: richard

people do not listen to rick he's using other bible verses to back up his opinion rick you are a dumbass and i hope you'll find the truth someday.
Apr 03, 2013
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by: Anonymous

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Rick's comment: I had no idea they allow you Internet access in there.
Apr 05, 2013
 GOD LOVES EVERYONE
by: The Truth7777

Homosexuality is a sin. I read a lot of comments. One stuck me hard Dont juge period. Because we are All born in sin. But the one thing I think most comments and opinion s are missing is that God loves everyone. His grace and love is..... well words aren't even close to be worthy enough to decribe them. Jesus loves the gay, lesbian , and anyone who isnt atracted to the opposite sex. Just like he loves the murder, drunk, drug addict, porn lover, porn addict, atheist, sex offender, or even the person who said that very small tiny white lie. BUT he is NOT OK, SATISFIED, OR BY ANY MEANS ALRIGHT WITH IT. Just like a parent isn't ok with with their children lieing, or disobeying them. BUT STILL LOVE THEM. Its called UNCODITIONAL love. Meaning my love for you isnt base on Any conditions what so ever. So it is a sin but the best part about that is Jesus' blood washes that all away. Meaning all sin. So love all who is sin and pray for them, for you are or were in sin. We were all born in sin.No one is perfect except for Jesus Christ. Not even me or you that is reading this. So love all and forgive. Father thank you. I pray your love spreads through this website and throughout their lives towards true repentance. Wheather its homo sexuality or unforgivefull hate, repentance from All sin. Father I also ask that you give me the right words to write , preach, and say. And keep me from the dark and to stay in light. Amen.

Rick's comment: Saying homosexuality is a sin does NOT make that statement true. You can only reach that conclusion by ripping verses out of context. Learn to deal with difficult passages of scripture. Learn to live with the tension of not liking truths which are different than your opinion. Obey 2 Timothy 2:15. Many thanks.
Apr 07, 2013
 heaven or hell
by: Anonymous

hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well I guess killers will be there too
Apr 09, 2013
 why being gay is a sin
by: richard

RICK YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BEING IS A SIN PEOPLE OF THE WORLD DO NOT LISTEN TO RICK BRENTLINGER BEING GAY IS A SIN BUT THERE IS ONE WAY OUT JUST ASK GOD FOR FORGIVENESS AND HE WILL TAKE THIS MADNESS AWAY FROM YOU RICK I HATE TO SAY BUT IF YOU DONT STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE INTO THINKING BEING GAY IS ALRIGHT YOU WILL BE JUDGED I WONT ANYONE WHO SEES THIS COMMENT TO PRAY FOR RICK BRENTLINGER

Rick's comment: Okay, Richard has spoken and that settles it. No need to use any Bible verses which, in context, say what you believe. No need to study the biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic literary and religious context. Let's just take Richard's word for it and be done.

Notice Richard's lack of reason, his inability to list even one verse which, in context, says what he believes. Notice further his debate tactic of suggesting that because I disagree with him, I am not saved.

Am I the only one who cannot understand such space cadet illogic? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Apr 09, 2013
 All Sin is Sin
by: Anonymous

Homosexuality is as much a sin as sex outside of marriage. I am a woman who cannot lie with a man, as I am not married. Jesus died for our sins before we ever committed them. Once you have been saved you are to turn away from sin. No impure, immoral or greedy person will inherit the kingdom of Christ. Ephesians 5

Rick's comment: Yet when God saves us, we are under the blood of Christ. All of our sins are totally forgiven. We are also given the perfect righteousness of Christ as a FREE gift. That is called: justification by faith. So regardless what we do or don't do, God views us as sinlessly perfect as His Son. That is our standing in Christ.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor arsenokoitai, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Arsenokoitai" is made up of two parts: "arsen" means "man" and "koitai" means "beds."

Rick's comment: Arsenokoitai was NEVER used in the first century to mean gay or lesbian.

Obviously there are no modern terms written in the bible, considering when it was written. The F-word isn't in it either, but we know the translation.

Rick's comment: What words could Paul have used if he intended to condemn homosexuality?
Apr 10, 2013
 Your free but
by: Danny

We are free to sin or to believe in Jesus or not. Jesus said if you love me you obey. If you love me you keep my commands. In my searching for what is written going back some words were never use like homosexual for you dont translate to a word that is unknown. Yet the word used can not be taken any way than man laying with another man.

Jesus did die for all sin. So the real question you must ask YOUR SELF is can you knowingly stay in sin and believe in Jesus and go to heaven? I would never say a liar is going to hell no more then I would say a homosexual is going to hell or not.

I would say if you LOVE Him you obey. Me? At a heart beat I will give up my wife my two boys for Jesus. My son at age 4 fell eyes rolled back ambivalence came. Open the door a few mins later said he is not responding to anything. I walked off said Father I will NEVER blame you for it was not you right then he open the door and said he is crying out for daddy.

There is no middle road. You love Him or you love the enemy satan. Just because you say Jesus is lord died rose again does not make you saved. It is not by works we are saved but you say it from your heart. You want all of Him He wants all of you.

So will you go to heaven knowing you are walking in sin? Makes no difference saying is not sin does not make it ok to do now. Jewish people wrote the bible. In Moses day it was sin and it has not changed. If you love Jesus we dont sin.

You are walking in sin. Yes you can find people to tell you, your ok. Jesus is ALIVE try praying and asking He will show YOU where it is WRITTEN!

Time is over and look out side, this is NOT the time to play in sin. Repent - you're free. Keep saying is ok to be gay and Jesus will not say one word. Your free to go up or down. Sorry you have to give ALL repent of ALL. Not try to find a reason why to keep a sin.

Its not just "abusers of themselves its ἀρσενοκοίτης.

Rick's comment: Danny, there is a lot of Bible truth you have not yet studied. I hope you will continue to study with an open heart because you haven't got it right yet on the gay issue.

You may find it helpful to read the text links in your comment and this page: What words could Paul have used?
Apr 10, 2013
 Legalization
by: Anonymous

Hi, I just was curious on you views on this argument. On the subject of legalization of equal rights and same sex marriage, someone argued that: if same sex marriage is legalized in all states (which is, apparently, to antigays, an abomination according to the Bible), we may as well legalize incest as well as marriage between a human and an animal. This person stated this because the equal rights case is based on the fact that if you love someone you should be allowed to marry them. What are your thoughts on this?

Rick's comment: People who use arguments like that are not trying to be honest. They intend to demonize gays by comparing us to people who have sex with animals or with children. In plainer words, their argument is not based on what the Bible says in context. Instead, they base their argument on emotion without logic. They want to scare people into believing unbelievable things about us to present us as unworthy of having equal rights and civil rights.

I provide answers to beastiality arguments on this page: Is being gay analogous to having sex with animals?
May 04, 2013
 Homosexuailty a sin?
by: Anonymous

Hang on, you say 'read your bible' yet still say that being gay isn't a sin? I have read my Bible and it explicitly says it is a sin, what are you on about? It's there in black and white, starting in Leviticus and then right through cropping up in all sorts of places. Why you no make sense yo?

You are basically saying that it is fine to be gay/lesbian and believe in God, and he'll be sweet with it because he loves all his children. How much do YOU love and fear your God? Obviously not much because you are blatantly disregarding something he has told you not to do. Hell if you have committed a sin you can ask to be forgiven and then try not to do it again like a good little christian, you don't continue doing it for fark sakes man!

I will turn your attention to...

Deuteronomy 4.2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

Deuteronomy 28.58 "If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;" - Goes on to threaten the people with plagues etc.

Revelations 22.18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things , God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy,God shall take away his part out of the book of life,and out of the holy city,and from the things which are written in this book."

Wow you better check yo self before you reck yo self! Make sure you know what you are reading before you start telling others what you think is right and wrong, especially if the Lord your God is saying otherwise!!!

Rick's comment: Dear One - you will struggle all of your Christian life if you refuse to obey 2 Timothy 2:15. If case you did not know it, the word, homosexual, only became an English word around 1880 and began appearing in English dictionaries in the 1890s. No human author of the Bible used the word homosexual in the Bible.

Translators who didn't do enough study or, who had an anti-gay axe to grind, inserted the word homosexual into the Bible beginning in 1948. The point is that most Christians for 2000 years of church history did NOT read the word homosexual in their Bible.

If you require answers about the clobber passages, please click on any NavBar link under, What The Bible Says. Many thanks.
May 05, 2013
 Why!
by: Anonymous

I don't think homosexuals should go to hell because if they want to be gay let them.
May 07, 2013
 Take a minute to read this - it's really clever
by: JD

Okay personally, I have a lot of gay friends that believe in God. I don't hate them nor condemn them. Their nice people they really are. But the problem is, homosexuality is a HUGE abomination in the father's eyes. God doesn't want the corruption in his perfect kingdom; that's why your not born gay and can't enter the kingdom unless you are basically straight. One of my friends, Stanton, was in church for thirteen years of his life and then just backslid and fell out of the church. Soon after he became homosexual. It broke my heart but I still loved and cared for him, It didn't stop me from loving him. He's like a brother to me. Anyways, my point is that, to enter the kingdom you absolutely need to be baptized and filled with the holy ghost. The only way you can get the holy ghost is if your truly sorry for your sins. The holy ghost is part of God himself.

Rick's comment: It is easy to apply pseudo-christian pop psychology to the gay vs. Christian debate, as you have done.

First, assert that you have lots of gay friends and you really love them because they're nice, they really are.

Second, explain how great an abomination homosexuality is to God, without citing ANY verses from the Bible which, in context, say that.

Third, insist that no one is born gay, without citing ANY corroborating evidence, since no conclusive evidence exists to support your claim.

Fourth, assert that only straight people go to heaven, without citing ANY Biblical evidence to support your claim.

Fifth, cite an anecdote about someone who left the church and BECAME gay, to subtly insinuate that being gay is a sinful choice, not a genuine sexual orientation.

Sixth, reassert your claim to really love and care for gays.

Seventh, assert a false plan of salvation and then point out that gays may be sorry for their sins but are not TRULY sorry because if they were truly sorry, they would stop being gay.

Hahaha - too cute by half.
May 07, 2013
 What a joke
by: Anonymous

You don't see any of God's angels homosexual do you? That's how corrupt this website is.

Rick's comment: I agree - your logic is a joke. Think about it for a moment - go ahead, you can do it if you try.

How many angels have you seen in your life time? How many angels has anyone seen in the last hundred years? Of the angels you have seen, could you tell by looking at them, whether they were homosexual or not?

Did you get a chance to interview any of the angels you have seen? Did you ask them if they were gay? What was their response?

How many total angels are there in the universe? Of that number, how many of them have you seen and interviewed?

Can a rational person make an intelligent assessment of the number of homosexual angels vs. heterosexual angels based on allegedly seeing a few angels?

You nailed it with the title to your comments.

What a joke.
May 10, 2013
 English?
by: Anonymous

Do people keep in mind that people who wrote Bible didn't speak English ? We translated it to many languages, how high is the chance somebody put a wrong word somewhere ?

Rick's comment: Here are three helpful links you may want to consider.

What must I do to be saved?

What did Jesus believe about the Bible?

Dude, do you really believe the Bible is true?
May 18, 2013
 Something to think about
by: Anonymous

The Bible specifically talks about homosexuality, it's cause and that it is a sin. Does that mean that God hates homosexual?. No. The sin is hated, not the person.

So can you make it to Heaven being actively gay and living a gay lifestyle? According to the Bible the answer is no. Now let's say you have homosexually tendencies yet you DON'T act on them and don't live the lifestyle. Can you make it to Heaven? Yes.

Rick's comment: Something else to think about. Shame on you for parroting the same old lies, framed by "the Bible says" when you are too lazy to even study what the Bible says in context.

I note that you did not cite ANY verses which say what you claim the Bible says. Is that because you know that, in context, the Bible does NOT say that? Could it be you are willing to lie to spread your false teaching because you are too proud to line up your views with what the Bible says in context?
May 18, 2013
 Comments Not Showing?
by: Anonymous

It's odd my comment is not showing.
May 22, 2013
 Websites like this make me sad
by: Tim

I am sad to see such websites exist. Yes, homosexuality is a sin. The beginning of Romans clearly defines this behavior to be immoral.

With that said, just because you have homosexual desires does not mean you have to give in to them. Control yourself and abstain. Homosexuality will NEVER be acceptable to God.

Rick's comment: Cool, an abstinence message. Hey Tim, should we abstain like heterosexual Christians abstain?
May 22, 2013
 Messages Not Showing
by: John

Interesting how my last message has yet to show. I will jump in on the last comment I saw.

Yes, heterosexual Christians should abstain from sex until marriage, as the Bible states.

Rick's comment: Thanks for answering John. Did you visit the text link: like heterosexual Christians abstain?

My hope is that some day, Christians will focus on cleaning up their own churches instead of ignoring the tsunami of sin in their own congregations while condemning gays and lesbians.

About comments, I moderate all comments because there are some really sick people out there. Some comments I delete because they are too vile to post. Most comments do post however, unless they are long anti-gay rants. I usually delete those because the interwebs are already full of that silliness.
May 22, 2013
 Hypocrites
by: Anonymous

I was the John that was commenting to your comment after I posted anonymous the first time. You and I disagreed big time about homosexuality.

However, I do agree with you about Churches needing to clean up their act. I have been to many Churches in my time and I see them focusing on certain sins. Yet, those that focus the most on other people's sin are sinning up a storm in their life.

Let me give you a MILD example. A lady friend of mine and I were talking about the Bible. She stated that people who smoked and drank were going to hell. I asked her why she thought that. She brought up the body being a temple and that if we do things to hurt the body we are sinning on a constant basis so we will go to hell. I explained to her that small amounts of drinking is actually healthy but I agreed that smoking was bad for the body. I told her that based on HER belief, not mine, she was going to hell. She about had a fit and told me that she does nothing bad for her body. I told her that being 100 pounds over weight is sure not healthy so according to HER belief, not mine, she was going to hell just like the smoker. She said I was wrong and her being obese was fine but smoking was horrible. I could not wrap my head around that thinking.

Churches are filled with hypocrites. People that are living life styles of the world and they walk around telling everyone else how they need to straighten up their life. It makes me sick.
May 23, 2013
 re: tim's comment
by: Shane

tim, you need to understand something about homosexuality. homosexual orientation in itself is a completely natural occurrance that is observable in both humans and in the animal kingdom. humans with a strictly homosexual orientation are only capable of forming sexual and romantic bonds with people of the same sex. this in itself is not sinful. sexual attraction and desire is morally neutral, and heterosexuals experience the same toward members of the opposite sex

Rick's point was that your command "just because you have homosexual desires does not mean you have to give in to them" is unreasonable and promotes a double-standard. no one expects heterosexuals to abstain from any and all forms of sex because it seems impossible for them to do, yet homosexuals are expected to be celibate all their lives. why? is it that a couple of verses in the Bible which mention one type of same-sex activity automatically makes all homosexuality wrong? certainly there are many instances where specific heterosexual practices are prohibited, yet it is understood that those few verses are not universally condemning

the city of Gibeah in Judges 19 was not destroyed because the men of the city committed an act of heterosexual sex, and the men who had sex with female shrine prostitutes in the books of Kings were not put to death because they had heterosexual sex. certainly the same could be said about the men of sodom and the male shrine prostitutes in the books of Kings, right?
May 24, 2013
 Come on, people.
by: Chelzie

SIN IS SIN. If you believe homosexuality is a sin, then by all means, please do so. Tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't it said through scripture that whoever proclaims love for God and asks for forgiveness, shall be forgiven? I mean, read John 3:16! "God gave his one and only begotten son, and whosoever believeth, shall not perish, but have everlasting life." If you believe in God, you should know that all sin is forgiven. My personal opinion, which I believe I heard this was spoken of in the bible, and again I could be wrong, but the only sins I see worthy of not being forgiven are the ones stated in the 10 commandments. No where in the 10 commandments does it speak of homosexuality at all. I also believe that God made people in a unique way. Some are born with the belief that they are male, when they're actually female, and vise versa. Which is transgender. I do believe in God, I'm not perfect, and I DO SIN. I don't judge based on sexual orientation either. Judging is left to God, though many judge everyday. With this, I leave you this quote.
"Before you start pointing fingers, make sure YOUR fingers are clean."
May 24, 2013
 Read Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13
by: Anonymous

Read Leviticus 18:22. To lie with another man as with a woman is DETESTABLE. there is no taking this out of context. why do you think people in the 50's and 60's tried to cover up and hide being gay ? becdause they were ashamed of it? why were they ashamed? becuase our Lord Jesus Christ gave us a conscience. a conscience tells the pygmies in africa not to kill someone. A conscience tells you not to cheat on a test or have sex with a neighbor.

Rick's comment: We have a generation of professing christians, like this Anonymous commenter, who REFUSE to deal with what the Bible says IN CONTEXT. They assume the clobber passages mean what they think they mean, without any study of context, without even caring about the context.

Then, based on no Bible study, they attack gays and lesbians, charging us with sin, based on verses ripped out of context.

You see, my friend who does still belive being gay is "okay." God gave us all an inner conscience - the law is written on our hearts when we are born. it is that simple. Even if you have NEVER heard of Christ you have a conscience. and this tells any woman or man not to lie down with someone of the same sex. yes, you can be a Christian and be gay. But it is NOT God's will to continue to be gay.

why do so many gay people who accept Christ get help and then become straight? cause they wanna do the right thing. sorry, it wasn't adam and steve and no, God didn't create anyone gay. Their screwed up parents prolly did the most to cause this.

Rick's comment: You asked: "why do so many gay people who accept Christ get help and then become straight?"

That is a myth, a lie, a falsehood, an untruth. If you are interested in truth, read what Exodus International, the largest ex-gay group on earth says about their success rate. It is ZERO. That is their testimony about their ministry.
May 27, 2013
 Homosexuality is wrong
by: Anonymous

No homosexuals are Christian. How can you say that you trust Christ as your Savior while disobeying Him and living the lifestyle of a homosexual? Jesus clearly detests homosexuality (there is no mistranslation to argue with that).

Rick's comment: When you insist on taking verses out of context, then insist that the out of context verses mean something they did not mean in context, there is no cure for your scripture twisting.
May 27, 2013
 God loves ALL of his children
by: Anonymous

They say that God hand crafts all the beings on this Earth. If you are Christian you believe that statement right? And God also loves all of his Children which are us, humans.

Homosexuals are also Humans, also hand crafted by God, which means also Gods children. Which means, he loves them also. Try and tell me that what i have just said is not true. Try to tell me that homosexuals CHOOSE to be that way? That they CHOOSE to go through all of the hate that is put upon them. Try to tell me that God created homosexuals as his children just so that he can hate them and send them to hell. Try to tell me that God does not love his own children.
May 27, 2013
 Not All
by: Anonymous

Yes, God loves all his children but not all his children will make it to heaven.

Rick's comment: Saved people go to heaven. Do you know for sure you are saved?

"For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:26
Jun 01, 2013
 I'm ignorant so I won't use my name with this comment
by: Anonymous

So, basically you are all saying the equivalant of "There's nothing dishonest about being a liar! Being opposed to lying is dishonest!" or "I have decided that God doesn't mind me spitting in His face." or "When God calls something sin, He doesn't really mean that it is sin." or "I can invent my own interpretation of any Bible passage so that I can continue committing the sin that I love without having to feel guilty that it is sin." ("Because I have decided it is not sin, even though God CLEARLY calls it sin in His word.")-- The day IS going to come when EVERY homosexual will accknowledge the sinfulness of their homosexuality. The sad part is that it will probably be AFTER they die, when they stand before Him in judgement, and it is too late. There will not be any argument with Him then. I pray that at least some of you will turn from your sin (including homosexuality) before it's too late.

Rick's comment: If I was as ignorant of what the Bible says, in context, as you are, I would not be making ANY public comments on this topic. I do appreciate your wisdom in hiding your identity. Could it be that you are aware of your ignorance?
Jun 01, 2013
 Not All
by: Anonymous

Saved people make it to Heaven you say? Well Rick. It sounds like you are saying that if someone excepts the Lord as their savior and becomes saved that is it? What they do after that means nothing? If that is what you believe, I am sorry, but you are wrong and it is what many people use to justify themselves going to Heaven.

You actually sound like a Baptist I once knew. He said once saved always saved. So I asked him this. If you decided to Rob a bank and you did so, shot someone while you were running out and than you were shot by the police would you go to Heaven. He said "yes". Sounds like you have the same mindset.

Homosexuality is a sin. The Bible specifically talks about it. I know, I know. You are going to want me to give you scriptures proving this. Many on here already have and you tell them they are "misinterpreting" it. Did you ever think that you might be?

Rick's comment: Every verse you give me to "prove" your views on gays is ripped from its context. You must rip verses out of context to prove your point because you already know that, in context, they do not prove your point. We call that dishonesty in case you were wondering.

There are demonic spirits Rick, some very strong. Homosexuality is one of them. I have personally seen deliverance of homosexual spirit. The person in question was an actual friend of mine and everyone, including the two that performed the deliverance were personal friends of mine. The demonic spirit actually spoke through my friend in ancient languages during the deliverance.

Rick's comment: You're so sure it's true that you remain Anonymous, so no one can check out your story? Haha - nice try kiddo.

You can keep believing what you wish. However, one day, you will know if you were correct or not.
Jun 01, 2013
 One Day Everyone Will Know
by: John

You stated the following Rick.

"Every verse you give me to "prove" your views on gays is ripped from its context. You must rip verses out of context to prove your point because you already know that, in context, they do not prove your point. We call that dishonesty in case you were wondering."

What you stated above is not true whatsoever.

1. I do not "rip" versus out of context.
2. The versus DO prove the point. The Bible is quite specific about Homosexuality.
3. Dishonesty by quoting what the scripture say? Not true.
4. In reality, you are ripping versus out of context.

My name is John. Kiddo? I have 45 years old.

Rick's comment: LOL. I am 62.

You see Rick. I don't hate homosexual people whatsoever and I know that certain churches focus alot on homosexuality when their church is filled with all kinds of other sin. I get it. I get that you are tired of people being hateful towards you and the homosexual community. We are suppose to love one another, not hate.

But Rick. Seriously. You are the one that rips everything out of context. Why can't you admit to what the Bible states, ask for forgiveness and stop your homosexual lifestyle?

Rick's comment: Oh please. I provide a detailed analysis of context and even quote anti-gay world-class conservative Christian scholars who agree with me about the context.

I have no control over your vivid imagination about my lifestyle. My lifestyle is Bible study, prayer, witnessing and leading gays and lesbians to saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Like I stated before. One day, you will find out if you were correct or wrong.

Rick's comment: And so will you John. By the way, I am a born again saved washed in the blood of the Lamb witnessing tract passing soul-winning Bible believing Christian. I am eternally saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone, without any of my own works helping to get me saved or to keep me saved.

I am justified by faith and so, I possess the perfect righteousness of Christ as a present possession.

I am already seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:6.
Jun 01, 2013
 Ond Day All Will Know
by: John

Ok. You are 62. That has nothing to do with anything.

Rick's comment: Oh please. I provide a detailed analysis of context and even quote anti-gay world-class conservative Christian scholars who agree with me about the context.

John's comment: Just because they agree with you does not mean they are correct. Scriptures are pretty plain as day about homosexuality.

Rick's comment: I have no control over your vivid imagination about my lifestyle. My lifestyle is Bible study, prayer, witnessing and leading gays and lesbians to saving faith in Jesus Christ.

John's comment: If gays and lesbians became truly saved they would stop their homosexual lifestyle.

John's comment: Like I stated before. One day, you will find out if you were correct or wrong.

Rick's comment: And so will you John. By the way, I am a born again saved washed in the blood of the Lamb witnessing tract passing soul-winning Bible believing Christian. I am eternally saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone, without any of my own works helping to get me saved or to keep me saved.

John's comment: You are correct Rick. One day I will also find out. Sorry Rick, but someone can't live a sinful lifestyle after excepting the Lord and still make it too Heaven. You must walk to the talk.

Rick's comment: I'll leave you to your own views John. Isaiah 1:18 says: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

This website is my attempt to reason with Christians who quote the clobber passages to condemn their gay brothers and lesbian sisters. But, as Jonathan Swift said: "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a belief he was never reasoned into."

You did not come to your anti-gay beliefs based on contextual Bible study or reason so it is impossible to reason you out of your false beliefs.
Jun 02, 2013
 Ond Day All Will Know
by: John

Rick. I am not saying people are suppose to hate homosexuals. Quite the opposite. Anyone that goes around hating people for any reason normally have some issues with themselves. I am saying, according to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. Just as sex before marriage is a sin, stealing, etc. Someone can't live in sin 24/7 and expect to make it to Heaven just because they believe in God. It does not work that way.

I am not anti-gay Rick. That would mean I am against gays, hate them, won't hang out with them, etc. I know plenty of people that are gay, bi, etc. I never tell them they are going to hell, never tell them they are wrong, etc. Their life is their businesses. We talk about normal things and if THEY ask me what i think, I simply state what the Bible states and let them take it from there.

I actually did use the Bible when deciding if homosexuality was right or wrong and it is not a false belief. The Bible is VERY specific.

I have a gay friend in TX that I go visit during my yearly trip to the state. He is even on my facebook as a friend, to the disgust of a few of my christian friends. But, you know what, I don't care if they don't like the fact he is my friend. It's my businesses and they need to stop hating. You get better results by being nice, caring and loving to people than you do by being hateful.
Jun 03, 2013
 What is wrong with you? TWIST NOT THE SCRIPTURES LESS YOU BE LIKE SATAN
by: Anonymous

Are you kidding me? Trying to show people and make it sound like being gay is not a sin? You know, people may not agree with me, but I believe that being gay is not exactly easy to get away from why? Because it's a demon, a spirit of "Soddom and Gommora" or immorality, the greeks did that.

Jesus cast out demons, demons are real.

Rick's comment: Jesus only cast demons out of unsaved people. Saved people cannot be demon possessed because our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, 1 Cor 6:19-20.

The Holy Spirit will not allow demons to inhabit His space.

Please make sure that you are saved.

Then, you really need to stop listening to charismaniac preachers (many of them are obsessed with casting out demons) and start reading and studying and memorizing and obeying the Bible for yourself.
Jun 04, 2013
 this will stop the argument
by: dave

IN Jesus u can achieve victory, meaning that if your gay and christian it's because your choosen to be gay and not willing to let go of your sinful desire, ask your self do you really want to be gay?

if the answer is yes then you have choosen to be gay. have you ever THOUGHT about just asking God to help you with overcoming your homosexuality? I'M SURE HE WOULD BE MORE THEN HAPPY TO HELP YOU TO STOP SINNING AGAINST HIM, because he loves you :)
enough said. no bible scriptures needed. stop beating around the bush u just don't want to give up being gay for God.

Rick's comment: You have embraced more than your share of false teaching Dave.

1. Being gay is not a sinful choice made by an individual. You're just parroting the false teaching of Exodus International.

2. It's a sin to be gay, Dave says, yet offers no verses which, in context, say so because according to Dave, "no bible scriptures needed."

3. Have you ever thought about asking God? Dave, if you are saved, you have committed willful sins every day of your Christian life. Dave, have you ever asked God to help you stop sinning? If you have but you're still committing willful sin every day, then you've chosen to be a sinner instead of a Christian. Do you see how foolish your reasoning is?

4. Because you profess to be a saved sinner yet you commit willful sin every day of your life, you just don't want to give up being a sinner, for God.

Sometimes when I read comments as dumb as yours, I am tempted to warn you not to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Jun 04, 2013
 What would Jesus said?
by: Erika

The Christian faith has many layers of tradition and core beliefs. Both liberals and conservatives can both easily point out bible passages to suit there viewpoints. But true spiritual passage to heaven can only be met if you believe in the son, father and the holy ghost. Life is too short to mistrust or hate it only brings your spiritual core being into question. John 8:2-11 is truly something even in today's challenging times we all can live by.
Jun 10, 2013
 Draw your own conclusions
by: Anonymous

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." -Jesus

"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."- God in Leviticus 18:22

Rick's comment: So are you assuming the verse is talking about gays? Why would you assume that? What FACTS support your belief?

Since you're not an expert and you're not a Biblical scholar and since you've never studied this topic in any depth, wouldn't it help to have some FACTS upon which to base your beliefs?
Jun 12, 2013
 wow
by: Anonymous

after reading a majority of the comments here I think I know how to word my comment (of course there's still going to be haters). The bible states it's an abomination. I'm bisexual myself so don't come off saying that I'm "anti-gay". I know my lifestyle is wrong and I pray every day for God to change it because I don't want to spend an eternity in hell and I believe that through the help of God and Jesus that I will one day be cured of my bisexuality. It is a choice, just like being transgendered is a choice. I think through counseling you can cope with it better and through Jesus you can be cured of it. Come at me with all your negativity.

Rick's comment: No professional counselor or competent psychiatrist believes being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered is a choice. The American Psychological Association says those are not choices made by the individual.

And to be sure, the Bible never says anything which indicates it is a choice made by the individual. Please do yourself a favor and read up on these issues.

There is no reason to keep listening to people who encourage you to hate yourself. That is heart-breaking and so self-destructive. God has a much better life for you than that, Ephesians 2:8-10.

About getting saved - you can make sure of that in the next fifteen minutes if you seriously want to. Click on the link, read the page and receive Jesus as your Savior from sin and from hell. Jesus will save you for all eternity and through eternal ages you can praise His holy Name.
Jun 13, 2013
 Homosexuality is Sin - Leviticus 18.22
by: Anonymous

The reason that people are being deceived into the sin of homosexuality is because the master deceiver that everyone doesn't realize is real. Satan he has hidden the truth from the masses so that at the end of their lives they will be sent where he is in hell eternally separated from God. All sin seperates man from God. If Satan could convince more of the society that murder was okay and not a sin he would. He realizes just only instinctively we know murder is wrong. Also instinctively people know that man with man is wrong or women with women gives heterosexual a sense of uncomfortableness, until satan gets to your mind to convince you it is okay. God in both old and new testament says that it is an abomination. Don't allow Lucifer to deceive you God is against homosexuality and even fornication. which is sex outside marriage. So you see we all have to conform its not just the gays that are out of wack. If you come to God in the name of Jesus and ask him to have mercy on you and to lead you to the truth. He will.

Rick's comment: Amazingly obtuse or too dumb to pound sand. When you rip verses out of context to condemn your gay brothers and lesbian sisters, you are not seeking truth.
Jun 13, 2013
 Would hate to be you.
by: John

You are the one ripping the versus out of context so you can justify you lifestyle. You are also going to be judged on all this false information about homosexuality that you are giving out. I would hate to be in your shoes when that day comes.

Rick's comment: Ditto John. At least I have enough courage to confront the text and wrestle with it.

That you believe I take verses out of context indicates you are unable to read with comprehension or you're just not honest.
Jun 13, 2013
 Wish it was easier
by: Here's hoping

I was raised in a very strict religious Mennonite home. I studied to become a minister, I was extremely devoted to God but always underneath was the knowledge that I am a gay man. Long story short, I am living with my partner, a man, now, stopped going to church and prayer. I'm sad about not having a relationship with God anymore but the rest of my life is good. Just wish there was someway I could be confident tht I'm not headed to eternal damnation.

Anyway, I've been reading a lot of the comments on here and I've heard all the arguments on both sides but I'm still not convinced of either side. Confusing!

Rick's comment: I encourage you to carefully read each page about the clobber passages by clicking on NavBar links under, What The Bible Says. God's truth in context is the ONLY antidote for the lies told by anti-gay christians.

Also, please read through our Gay Christian FAQ for answers to questions many people ask.

You CAN be a Bible believing Jesus-loving soul-winning gay Christian. There is no reason on earth to embrace the false teaching of the anti-gay crowd. Please don't let them psych you into self-hatred.

I grew up around Mennonites and went to first and second grade in a Mennonite school. Blessings to you and your wonderful partner. Serve the Lord with gladness!
Jun 13, 2013
 John's answer
by: John

Rick's comment: Ditto John. At least I have enough courage to confront the text and wrestle with it.

John's comment: As do I.

Rick's comment: That you believe I take verses out of context indicates you are unable to read with comprehension or you're just not honest.

John's comment: I do read with comprehension and I am being honest. It is plain as day that homosexuality is a sin as is sex before marriage, stealing, murder, etc.

There is also more to making it to heaven than just excepting the Lord as your savior. You must live the life.

Rick's comment: Wow John. You believe homosexuality is a sin yet you can produce no verses, NOT EVEN ONE, which in context, says that. You're pushing your own opinion, your own agenda and hoping the rest of us don't know enough Bible to spot your lies. Thankfully we know what the Bible says and does not say so you cannot fool us.

On the doctrine of salvation, you are confused. Getting saved has never been about doing any works. God will not accept any of our works to get us saved or to keep us saved. Please study the doctrine of justification by faith for more information. Jesus lived the life FOR US, so nothing we do as far as living the life, adds anything to the perfect work He already did. THAT is basic biblical fact. Thanks for stopping by.
Jun 13, 2013
 WOW
by: Troy

If you read 2nd these 2 10 and on, it says, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." If you dont want to know the truth you might be Walking around with a "Strong Delusion" that you may believe a Lie". EVery Scripture that speaks about Homosexuals is done in a Negative way. God killed an entire city over homosexuals (Genesis) (they even wanted to have sex with angels then). He said in Romans that "He gave them over to reprobate minds and that their men gave up the natural use of the woman and so on. God has never had a loving thing to say about Homosexuals No Not One. So anyways what you might want to do is consider the scripture in James for he said "Be y not many masters (teachers) knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation, Meaning that False teachers will suffer greater for leading others away and hindering those that would enter in. You Mock God with your false teaching and your false promises of Heaven for these confused young men and woman that are living after their own lust as God said they will be lead away of their own lust and not tempted of Him, you are taking away the keys to those that might turn. You have been warned of your dirty thoughts that you are bringing forth for others to digest, you shall reep what you are sewing so the advice from God would be to repent (have a change of mind) and be converted, as the scripture says. We have one purpose on this earth and one only and that is to serve God and work in the kingdom bringing forth fruit Period. Heed the warning while you still can, if you dont already have the delusion given to you.

Rick's comment: Wow, you're a blizzard of disinformation Troy. Take a deep breath, now take another one, there you go buddy. Now, turn off the TV and the mp3 player, pick up your Bible, sit down and start reading.

You will discover that EVERY verse you cited must be ripped out of its biblical context if you want to teach that those verses are talking about gays.

If you leave the verses in context, you will discover that NONE of them is talking about gays. If you can get a grip on that basic truth, you're a lot closer to understanding the Bible as God intends you to understand it.

By the way Troy, the Bible is NOT a tool God gave you to assault your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. I'm just sayin...
Jun 13, 2013
 Thanks
by: Anonymous

Thank you Rick. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post! How very kind of you. I've been browsing your site and its very informative and Definitely gives me much food for thought and I will be reading more. God bless you for your caring. - Ben

Rick's comment: I'm glad I can be helpful Ben. Please Contact Me privately if you have questions. I want to bless and encourage you guys. God definitely has a ministry for you to do for Him.

Once we make sure we are saved, God wants us to always keep in mind that we are loved.

Here are a few of the many things that happen when you get saved.
Jun 14, 2013
 Nice try, no cigar
by: John

Rick's comment: Wow John. You believe homosexuality is a sin yet you can produce no verses, NOT EVEN ONE, which in context, says that. You're pushing your own opinion, your own agenda and hoping the rest of us don't know enough Bible to spot your lies. Thankfully we know what the Bible says and does not say so you cannot fool us.

John's comment: We have been over this before Rick. If I do post them, like many others on here have, you will simply say I am taking it out of context. This is what you always say.

I am not pushing my own opinion, nor agenda. According to the scriptures homosexuality is a sin. It's that simple. Just as sex before marriage, stealing, hatred, etc.

Rick's comment: On the doctrine of salvation, you are confused. Getting saved has never been about doing any works. God will not accept any of our works to get us saved or to keep us saved. Please study the doctrine of justification by faith for more information. Jesus lived the life FOR US, so nothing we do as far as living the life, adds anything to the perfect work He already did. THAT is basic biblical fact. Thanks for stopping by.

John's comment: Did I say works? I said living the life. You can't say you excepted the Lord as your savior and live your old, sinful life and expect to make it to Heaven.

Rick's comment: Okay John. I get it. You cannot discuss context because you take verses out of context to make your point. Even when world-class conservative Christian scholars disagree with you and agree with me on the context of the clobber passages, you prefer to ignore them.

No problem, I get it. I live in the real world, kind of like Rush says: I am the Mayor of Realville. In the real world, thinking Christians don't base their views on opinions. Thinking Christians don't read an English translation and assume that reading it a few times is enough to know precisely what it's talking about.

In the real world, thinking Christians obey 2 Tim 2:15 and allow that wonderful command to mediate our interaction with scripture.
Jun 14, 2013
 So Wrong
by: John

You state the following on your site.

"You are hell-proof forever. That's why even if a born-again Christian backslides or gets so despondent that (s)he commits suicide, that born-again believer does not go to hell but instead goes to Heaven."

I can't believe you state this. It's hard to believe that you basically say that once someone excepts the Lord as their savior, they can commit any sin they want, die in their sin and go to Heaven. This is not true whatsoever.

I now see where you are coming from and why you focus so hard on homosexuality. You wish to believe you can go to Heaven while living a sinful life. So you twist the scriptures to your "need".

I truly feel sorry for all of those that you mislead. You will be judged on judgement day for all of those that you gave this false information to.

I will be surprised if you post this, instead of deleting it.

Rick's comment: John, if you've received Jesus Christ as your Savior, God in His mercy has made you justified by faith. In plainer words, God has taken away ALL of your sins (past, present and future) and in their place, God has given you the perfect righteousness of Christ as a free gift for all eternity.

Along with that incredible blessing, here's what else God does for you when you get saved.

As if that weren't enough, God also gives you eternal security as a free gift of His amazing grace.

I agree with you on one point. Our response to God's grace should never be living sinful lives. Obviously you do not know me so your accusation against me is only your imagination.

I live a godly life, witnessing, passing out tracts, winning souls both in person and through my website which reaches 50,000+ people each month in 195 countries. I wish you God's best John.

Please know that God has a lot more for you than you think and you don't have to be on pins and needles, wondering if you'll lose your salvation. Has it occurred to you that God brought you to my website so you could learn more about God's loving provision for your present life?
Jun 16, 2013
 Homosexuality is a sin and sin sends you to hell
by: Anonymous

Dear Rick, The core problem with your arguement is that you believe that God made people gay. You also probably believe that I have brown hair because made it brown right? Im also colorblind, was that a concious decision that God made? See, it starts to sound stupid after awhile.

However, I also did not CHOOSE to be colorblind, I just am. And people are just gay. BUT that does not excuse behavior. I cant go do things on purpose and just say "hey, im colorblind, its just the way I am". Thats just as stupid as blaming me or God for my trait.

Being colorblind also has its advatanges as well. To label it as something bad or a flaw is stupid. For example Ive taken multiple tests with the army where I could see things that were camoflauged that "normal" people couldnt.

All of us are born with different traits. Its what we do with them that defines us. Also its true god does not make mistakes but the reason why people born with syndromes and colorblind and more diseases is because we live in devils nature/gods nature

adam and eva bodies where perfect they had a perfect mind no lustful no diseases they lived in a perfect world called gods nature but when adam and eva eat the apple of choose we live now in a gods/devil nature and thats why homosexual is a sin because its devil nature. if we couldn't sin, there wouldn't be free will

You see, a sinner will do anything to justify their sin instead of looking at the TRUTH. God says it is a sin. Check Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination." Please Repent Rick!

Rick's comment: "This is the mother ship calling. We are transmitting new orders for you Anonymous. Yes, YOU.

1. Grab your Bible.
2. Now, remove the tin foil hat from your head. That's right, you can do it.
3. Now open your Bible to 2 Timothy 2:15.
4. The mother ship commands you to read, memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15.
5. Do.It.Now.

End of transmission."
Jun 16, 2013
 Rick could you please watch this video?
by: Anonymous

there was a women she had a near-death experience and journey through hell, see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI2Ov6IKPhw

This video called Homosexuals in hell
please watch this video and i hope that you repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins will be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, God Bless

Rick's comment: Are you saying that you think I am unsaved because you and I disagree on the gay issue? I get that kind of foolishness all the time. Usually charismatics who disagree with me tell me I am demon possessed.

Calvinists who disagree with me on the gay issue usually tell me I am not saved. So here we have a charismatic telling me I'm not saved. You folks need to get into the word and stop letting your emotions rule your lives.

The problem with being a charismatic is that you rarely study the Bible. You are so focused on fake signs and wonders and sending your money to TV evangelist shysters and money grubbing pastors and fake trips to the afterlife that you are easily deceived by religious con artists.

For the record, gay Christians believe in a literal fiery hell as the destination of sinners who reject Jesus Christ as Savior. We believe that because we believe the Bible.

I personally do NOT believe the stories of people like the woman on YouTube who claim to have near death experiences in which they visit heaven or hell. If you are a Bible believing Christian, go with what the Bible says in context, NOT with someone's imaginary tales of the afterlife.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

How can I get saved?

Jesus believed in a literal hell.

Does the Bible say homosexuals will go to hell?
Jun 19, 2013
 Romans 1
by: Anonymous

It doesn't get any clearer than Romans chapter one. First comes evolution and then homosexuality and then:

"And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, [v]haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them."

Rick's comment: Your comment shows lack of study and lack of insight into Romans 1. Did it ever occur to you to obey 2 Tim 2:15? If not, why not?

Romans 1 is not now and never has been about homosexuality. For the first 350 years of church history, the almost universal view of Romans 1 is that Paul was describing temple prostitutes and temple prostitution practiced in some of the 400 pagan temples in first century Rome.

Why are you unaware of the cultural historical and religious context of Romans 1? Don't you ever study?
Jun 19, 2013
 Romans One
by: Anonymous

Romans one:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Rick's comment: These are great verses yet you seem to believe they are talking about lesbians and gays. That is a knee jerk reaction to reading the English text and assuming you know exactly what it means while refusing to study the biblical cultural doctrinal linguistic literary and religious context of Romans 1.

If you're willing to perform due diligence, you will discover that your initial impression about the meaning of these verses is far afield from what most Christians have believed for almost 2000 years. Isn't it time you learned to obey the Holy Spirit and His leading on this chapter? Why do you have such an aversion to studying and teaching the Bible in context?

The body of Christ does not need your foolish private interpretation. When some of us gay Christians got saved, God placed in our heart a burning desire to obey 2 Timothy 2:15, to study to shew ourselves approved unto God, workmen who need not be ashamed so we can rightly divide the word of truth. O that you would develop a heart fervent for God's truth.
Jun 21, 2013
 Wrong question
by: Anonymous

It is almost absurd that this question is positioned to an audience. The Bible says a lot about homosexuality, yet this is not a question ever raised by the text.

It is a question specifically raised to heat up the emotions with the propensity for most persons to avoid relevant discussion about what the writer is really saying to the audiences through the text.

When asking who the apostle Paul was writing to, it is evident that his readership was divided over many issues, because they had succumbed to listening to all manner of diverse opinions that were all contrary to sound doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:14-16 reminds the faithful worker in partnership with the good news of Christ Jesus not to quarrel about words which does no good to the hearers, but to do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, by rightly handling the word of truth, but on the contrary avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene.

In matters that divide, the letters to the Corinthians are not to be ripped out of context. Simply put, the way a believer in Christ is called to live is in complete contrast to the world. People who have been bought with the precious blood of Christ and are now participants in God's kingdom life will no longer walk in the former manner of life lusting after the flesh, but as new creations walking and living in newness of the Spirit. Their bodies are not their own, but are now a dwelling place, a temple of the Spirit of God.

The 6th chapter of the first letter to the Corinthian assembly better answers the question; How do we as believers judge matters of moral failure between believers?
Jun 21, 2013
 Out of context?
by: Anonymous

It would not matter if you were 90 years old, been studying the Bible since you were 10, and were the "top" Bible scholar in the entire world. Rick would still say you are taking the Scriptures out of context. So it's really worthless to even have a conversation with him, because he wishes to believe that a homosexual lifestyle is fine no matter what proof you give him. He sure will be surprised comes judgement day.

Rick's comment: I am not an Anonymous coward taking pot shots at folks who study the Bible. Anonymous cowards refuse to study the Bible, refuse to acquaint themselves with the issues and then lob false accusations at those of us who study the Bible.

I wonder if an Angel came to Rick, and stated that homosexuality was a sin, if he would believe the Angel?

Rick's comment: I'll gladly answer your question with scripture, which, I suppose, will torque your jaw because you've never cared much about scripture. But here goes anyway.

No, I would NOT believe the angel because I have the inerrant infallible words of the living God in the Book He gave to us. And I have the indwelling Holy Spirit to lead me into all truth, John 16:13.

"And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:" - 2 Peter 1:18-19, KVJ.

More sure than what? The written words of the Bible, in context, are MORE SURE than the voice of God Himself, speaking from heaven, Matthew 17:1-5.

Anonymous Kiddo, you need to get your heart right with God and start studying your Bible.
Jun 21, 2013
 re: the angel, Anonymous
by: Anonymous

If an angel came down and told me false information, I would not believe that angel.

Rick's comment: Amen!
Jun 21, 2013
 Coward?
by: Anonymous

Aw Rick. Calling people cowards now because I don't put a name in?

You and I have talked before and you believe what you believe no matter what Scripture you are given. I have studies the Bible for decades. You simply wish believe that a homosexual lifestyle is not sin, yet, according to the Bible, it is.

I find it interesting how people, in all walks of life, twist the scriptures to fit their life styles.

Rick, you twist the Scriptures all over the place, and not just about homosexuality.

I have read your responses to people, and you assume people have not studied the Scripture because they disagree with you and you are very prideful and condescending.

Rick's comment: Yep, coward. I am the one providing in context scriptures for what I believe. You provide absolutely no scriptures, not even one, which, in context, says what you believe about gays.

Why do you lack courage to put your real name with your beliefs? Jesus has your number and so do I. Here's what Jesus said.

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:19, KJV

You need the light of the glorious gospel of Christ to shine in your heart, 2 Cor 4:4 - I pray that happens soon for you.
Jun 23, 2013
 Slaves to righteousness
by: Julia

While being gay will not send you to hell, continuing to commit pornea with an unrepentant heart shows that you are not really saved. Ask Jesus to help you fight your weaknesses so that you may grow to be more like him. It will probably be hard and you will face temptation, but think of the reward you will get in Heaven after this life. Please do not take God's grace for granted.

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6 v 15 & 22,23

Rick's comment: There you go again Julia. You assume that being gay is a sin, when no verse of scripture, in context, says that.

In Romans 1:24, Paul uses the Greek word ἀκαθαρσίαν akatharsian, to describe the idolatry of temple prostitutes. In Romans 6:19 Paul uses ἀκαθαρσίᾳ akatharsia and tells us that some were saved out of that idolatrous life.

Paul is NOT describing two gay guys or two gay gals who fall in love with each other. He is describing the uncleanness, the gross sin of temple prostitutes.

We do not take the grace of God for granted. We study the Bible in context and we refuse to allow anti-gay Christians to put us under false condemnation by taking verses out of context and then using the out of context verses to condemn us.
Jun 24, 2013
 The Lake of Fire
by: Sam Spade

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Liars, cheats, gluttons, murderers, rapists, unbelievers, occultists, pagans, people who sleep around etc., will go to the lake of fire - not just homosexuals.

ALL unrepentant sinners who reject the saving grace of Christ will be lost.

Rick's comment: Hi Sam - I hope you'll work your way through my FREE Bible Study, Jesus Teaches Hell 101. Here at Gay Christian 101 we believe in the reality of a literal burning hell as the destination of those who reject Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin and hell.

We also believe in and teach justification by faith - the biblical belief that salvation is always by grace alone through faith alone in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross alone.

Anyone - gays, lesbians, right wing fundamentalist KJV Christians - anyone who trusts his own works instead of trusting Jesus Christ will go to hell because salvation is never by our own works.
Jun 24, 2013
 Homosexuality is a sin, so is being hateful towards others
by: Carol

Leviticus 20:13 KJV "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Twist that around to say it is not a sin.

Rick's comment: Carol, time to get a clue or buy a vowel! Factoring in context as we decide what a verse means is not twisting things around.

The context of Lev 20:13 is vs. 2, 3, 4, 5 - Molech worship - using sex to worship false gods. We must factor in context before we determine what the scripture means. Context includes: biblical, cultural, doctrinal, historical, linguistic, literary, religious, just to name a few.

If you're interested in telling the truth in a nice way, here are helpful links.

1. Shrine prostitutes

2. Lev 17:7 and goat idols, part 1

3. Lev 17:7 and goat idols, part 2

4. How do you interpret Lev 18:22 and 20:13, man should not lay with man?
Jun 24, 2013
 Of course
by: Carol

I figured that is how you would respond. You also find a way to find yourself correct, even though you are not. There are many more scriptures besides the one I listed. Before you even mention about studying the Bible, I have, for decades.

I read your profile so now I get an idea where you are coming from. You want to feel good about your homosexual life style, so you twist the scriptures to our liking. Just like others twist the scripture when it comes to things such as hating, sex prior to marriage, drinking till drunk, etc.

Rick's comment: Pretty funny Carol. I gave you solid scriptural answers. Instead of dealing with what the Bible says in context, you accuse me of twisting the scriptures.

The GLBT community is on to the games you folks play. I've never been able to figure out why you anti-gays insist on ignoring context. What are you afraid of?
Jun 24, 2013
 Being gay is not a sin
by: Julia

Homosexuality is NOT a sin.
Homosexual activity IS a sin.

The ONLY sexual act approved of in the Bible is that been a man and a woman in the institute of marriage. All other forms of sexual acts are grouped generally as sexual immorality by the Greek word "pornea", most often translated as "fornication" ie any sexual act outside of heterosexual marriage.

Nowhere in the Bible is homosexuality, pre-marital sex or extra-marital sex approved of, infact they are all condemned.

Rick, I would ask you to stop misleading people with incorrect interpretations of our Holy book. The English translations do an excellent job of conveying what the original Greek and Hebrew say.

Since you bring up Romans 1v24, it is not talking about temple prostitutes, the text could not be clearer:

26 Because of this, God gave them over to *shameful lusts*. Even their women exchanged *natural* sexual relations for *unnatural* ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were *inflamed* with *lust* for one another. Men committed *shameful* acts with other men, and received in themselves the due *penalty* for their *error*.

Are the words "shameful", "lust", "inflamed" and "error" ever used to describe something that is not sinful?

Please, give me some passages that condone homosexual activity, rather than writing your own meaning for verses that condemn it.

The Lord bless you and keep you.

Rick's comment: Hi Julia. As usual, you're a fountain of false information. I think you have mis-under-estimated the capacity of GLBTs to read the Bible and understand it with the help of the Holy Spirit. The more you parrot the same old discredited lies, the more we shake our heads and back off from you.
Jun 24, 2013
 Interested in your thoughts
by: Anonymous

I am a straight Christian (single and very attracted to the opposite sex). There are a lot of comments and I haven't read them all, forgive me if this had been covered. I believe that Gods love (and grace) trumps sin, but the issue here is sexual purity. If I, as a single man, have sex with any one (regardless of there sex) I am living in unrepentant sin. By God's word, sex is reserved for marriage. If two people (not married) engage in intercourse, it is a sin against God. Correct?

Rick's comment: Abraham had a wife AND concubines with whom he had sex and fathered children, Genesis 25:1-6. How does that fit into your no sex outside of marriage view?

Gays are not allowed to marry in most places. If heteros were not allowed to marry, would all of you live celibate lives like you tell us to do?

The bible speaks out against, and Jesus rebukes, sexual impurity mor than any other sin.

Rick's comment: Oh come on. That is just a throw away line that means nothing. It's not something you've studied or something you can prove from scripture.

In fact, it is the only allowable reason for divorce. The bottom line here is sexual purity. You can't have sex unless you are married. Also of note, some people claim they are created to be attracted to children.

Rick's comment: You wouldn't seriously argue that child molesting is a natural normal sexual orientation, would you? Here is your answer.

Are gay rights analogous to beastiality rights?

Others are "genetically pre disposed" to alcoholism or other things that may be sinful. We all have our temptations, our struggle is to avoid them, and in as much, proving our alligence to the Father. Of course I want to have straight sex out of wedlock but I refuse to because that wouldn't glorify God. I could cite countless verses to back this up, but don't need to because if you know the bible you know this is true. This is about sexual purity (both physical and in your thoughts), not about sexual orientation. Grace and peace.
Jun 25, 2013
 Maybe you are?
by: Carol

Many people on here have also given you scriptures, yet you tell everyone they are taking those scriptures out of context. Ever think maybe you are?

Anti-gay? It's not an attack and it's not anti-gay. There are plenty of very nice gay people, but a gay lifestyle is a sin, just as many other things people do are sins. It's that simple.

Rick's comment: Carol, no one can possibly be that obtuse. I think you're a troll. Only a troll keeps posting what you post while ignoring all evidence to the contrary.


Jun 25, 2013
 Answer my question
by: Julia

As I asked in my last comment, please give some passages that condone homosexual activity. Any sex outside of marriage is a sin. You cannot escape that, no matter how hard you try to twist scripture.

I don't know why you are trying to back off from a sister in Christ who genuinely cares for your salvation. Why not open your mind to the possibilty you could be wrong?

You ignored every point I made in my previious comment and did not even attempt to biblically refute it. Apparently in your case, ignorance is indeed bliss.

Rick's comment: Julia, I believed like you believe for the first 39 years of my life. As I studied the Bible in context, I changed my mind based on evidence and put together this website to help others.

You want to know where the Bible condones - yet that is a standard you never apply to any other issue or to anything in your heterosexual life. I've answered those questions many times on this website and in comments.

The problem with folks like you is arrogance. You believe that since we disagree on the gay issue, that I must not be saved.

You believe that since we disagree on the gay issue, that I don't have an open mind.

That arrogance would be startling if it were not so common. You have never studied the clobber passages in depth. You cannot intelligently discuss the context or the Hebrew and Greek words used. You are clueless as to the biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic literary religious context of the verses you use to condemn gays. You have not read the literature on the topic.

Yet from your perspective of no study and almost total ignorance, you accuse me of not having an open mind and tell me you are concerned for my salvation. This website is 500+ pages of factual, carefully sourced information. You could find truth if you really wanted to.
Jun 26, 2013
 Killing gays is no more wrong than being gay
by: Ricard

I don't even need the Bible to point out just how wrong homosexuality really is...

If we throw out the Bible, and twist the scriptures or deny the influence or existence of God, then yes, there would be no sin of homosexuality. There would also be nothing wrong with murder, or theft. There would be no right or wrong beyond what a society agrees as being right or wrong. Human suffering would simply be the natural result of life. Any association between lifestyle and, say, disease, would be seen as coincidental.

Someone who went around killing homosexuals because they see an association between homosexuality and an increase of STDs that ultimately affect all would be no more right, and no more wrong than those who practice homosexuality.

Gays are not born this way they use that excuse to make them feel its ok to be gay So Romans 2 says God wrote his laws on your heart for Atheists and sinners who could just say "There was no bible around for me to read, so I sinned because I did not know the rules." or "I believe god made this way and he makes no mistakes"

You know them very well without reading a bible and you know what you are doing is a sin, just trying to argue and makes excuses means you have quilt. My gosh the gays in my school tried so hard to press on me their agenda and why, because they knew they were wrong.

Rick If being gay is part genetic, then why would God condemn something that can't be changed? I Can't believe you are a christian and bringing people to te wrong path. like this !! Do you not know God's word ??

It is not about accepting or not accepting !! It is about sin that all people must repent of and turn from,,and stop repeating the sin ,,as GOD"S word says to !!

Rick's comment: I am so glad I don't have to make up stuff like this. The mentality of the anti-gay crowd is evident here.
Jun 26, 2013
 Only Faith?
by: Anonymous

Im sorry but your comments waaaaay above said only you need Faith no works no nothing....Can you elaborate more? Heres a scripture I found about faith AND works. James 2:17, 21, 22, 24 NIV

Rick's comment: Comparing Paul and James.

I cant speak for homosexuals going to hell or not. im still a student on this subject...
Jun 26, 2013
 Why sensor?
by: Jack

Hey Rick, Why do you sensor so much? I know people that have made posts, you have responded, and than you quit posting what they posts. It's almost like you are trying to get the last word.

Rick's comment: Some people post false and wicked accusations against gays and sometimes against me. Others post repetitively, saying basically the same thing over and over. Others post mean rants using different fake names. As I read the thousands of comments I get here, I am amazed at how deceptive professing Christians are and how ignorant they are of what the Bible says, in context. Those are some of the reasons I don't post every comment.
Jul 03, 2013
 I am sorry I misjudged you
by: Anonymous

The saying is original yet true and refreshing to know. I am sorry I misjudged you and some of what you said was humbling. But I never said that I hate homosexuals because my cousin and some of my friends are gay yet I still love them. I know God loves all but gay people are not going to Heaven. I didn't say a lot because it would be tedious if I just repeated everything and having you deal with the same thing.
Jul 07, 2013
 Thank you so much
by: Sarah

I was raised in a house that taught me that being gay was wrong. (Was also told Pokemon was demons and Harry Potter was evil hahaha) anyway, as I've gotten older I've found myself questioning things. I started to drive myself mad because I didn't understand why people couldn't love each other no matter what. I understand that it could have possibly been wrong in the Old Testament because the earth was small (person wise) and so and so. And since after Christ paid for out sins, the only thing to take from the Old Testament was the 10 commandments, which for some reason I had thought said something against gay marriage. (I..really should start reading my bible again.Ha.) I had been praying to God to tell me what to believe and after reading this and actually looking up the Commandments, I feel like so much has gotten off me. Thanks so much for making this, I feel like my prayers have been answered! I really wish people would lay off the Old Testament to back up why it's wrong because we don't live in those times anymore and we only have the Commandments to take from that time in regards to living our lives. (I kinda see the rest as a history book.)
Jul 08, 2013
 is Homosexuality a Sin?
by: Anonymous

I am interested soley in what the Bible says abour Homosexuality and whether it's a sin. I could not care less if someone is gay; if it is a sin, then it is between them and God.

I have read some of the posts on this site explaining various passages of Scripture, but I haven't yet seen an explanation of Romans 1:26-32; can someone explain that?

Again, I am only interested in whether the Bible, God's Word, says homosexuality is a sin. Thank you in advance.

Rick's comment: The answer is on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says.

1. Romans 1 is about shrine prostitution.

2. Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians?

3. Early Christians said Romans 1 is about shrine prostitution.

4. How can we be sure what Paul was talking about in Romans 1?
Jul 08, 2013
 Comparing James and Paul - June 26
by: Anonymous

There is no contradiction; one is saved by grace and grace alone. What James is referring to is that when one's heart is truly changed by the Holy Spirit they will do good things because they want to, because they want to please God.

Rick's comment: Hi Anonymous - I agree with you. The justification by faith of which Paul speaks took place in Genesis 15. The justification by works of which James speaks took place about thirty years after Genesis 15, in Genesis 22.

James and Paul are speaking about two different events separated by about thirty years. James refers to practical justification which people can see. Paul refers to theological justification which no one but God can see.
Jul 12, 2013
 transgender vs transgendered
by: Anonymous

Rick, I've noticed you have been using the term "transgendered" instead of "transgender."I don't mean to sound rude in the slightest, but the grammatically correct word is "transgender" as an adjective and not "transgendered" as a verb (the latter almost makes it sound as though people become "transgendered" instead of being born "transgender"). I hope you consider making the change.

Rick's comment: Thanks for letting us know your views. As a former high school English teacher, I disagree with your proposal. Here are a few reasons why.

1. We use ‘transgender’ as an adjective to describe certain entities that are abstract, such as ‘transgender law,’ ‘transgender studies,’ and ‘transgender community,’ because it is the people — not the law, the studies, or the community — who are transgendered.

2. Adding an ‘ed’ to a verb to create an adjective is a very common construction in English and the fact that an adjective is created from a verb doesn’t mean that it isn’t an adjective.

Similarly with ‘transgendered.’ When we talk about people, we ordinarily say that they are ‘gendered,’ using an adjective created by adding ‘ed’ to ‘gender’. We wouldn't say they are gender. We say they are gendered.

3. The Oxford English Dictionary suggests that 'transgendered' derives from the noun 'gender' formulated as an adjective by the addition of the '-ed' suffix. About the '-ed' suffix, the OED has this to say:

"The suffix is now added without restriction to any n. from which it is desired to form an adj. with the sense ‘possessing, provided with, characterized by’ (something)".

The verb 'gender', meaning "To assign or attribute a gender to; to divide, classify, or differentiate on the basis of gender" is described as "rare before mid 20th cent."

More on Transgender vs. Transgendered
Jul 12, 2013
 re: "transgender" vs. "transgendered"
by: Anonymous

Thanks for letting me know, Rick! I was a bit confused at first because I kept hearing the contrary.
Jul 18, 2013
 Confused Christian here!
by: Anonymous

Ok, so I personally believe that homosexuality is a sin because of what the Bible tells me. But to me, it doesn't make any sense to send gays to hell because of it. It would just make more sense that my god would say to be with someone if they make you happy in this life. Anyway, my feelings towards homosexuality have always been that, no one is perfect, and none of us are without sin. We all have issues in this life that we have to deal with, an god is here to help guide us through everything. This page was really interesting to read though, and it has really started to get me reexamining things.
Jul 26, 2013
 Not Correct
by: John

NIV's mistranslation? What about the other countless other translations that say the same thing. In Deuteronomy God puts homosexuality & lesbianism in the same class as Beastiality.

The Sons of God are led by the Word & the Spirit of God.

Rick's comment: John, may I give you some things to think about?

1. It's not Deuteronomy. The verses you intended to reference are Lev 18:22 and 20:13.

2. The context is not two gay guys or two gay gals. The context is using sex to worship false gods. That has been the Jewish and Christian view of those verses for thousands of years.

3. The Leviticus verses do NOT analogize being gay or lesbian with beastiality. Instead, those verses compare beastiality with people using sex to worship false gods, sometimes called shrine prostitutes.

4. Countless translations? Really? Most translations for the last 2000 years have not used the silly NIV mistranslation in 1 Cor 6:9.

Click on the text links for more information.
Aug 08, 2013
 Rufutes
by: Anonymous

The Bible refutes your article and your website.

Rick's comment: Brilliant, simply brilliant!
Aug 08, 2013
 You are ignoring what the Bible says in context.
by: Assam

How could someone that has done so much studying be so wrong?

By the way, did you know that "hell" is nothing more but the grave?

Rick's comment: Jesus differentiated between hell and the grave in Luke 16:22-23. Please read that over and over until you notice that the rich man's body was buried in a grave but according to Jesus, the rich man's soul was in hell. Hell is not the grave.

Here's a FREE Bible study for you: Jesus teaches Hell 101.
Aug 12, 2013
 Maybe Not
by: Bobby

However, it does say we should kill homosexuals. Bottom line is that it's all barbaric and outdated.

Rick's comment: Bobby, the context is not homosexuals. The context is shrine prostitutes - people who used same sex rituals to worship false gods.

Whoever you are, whatever you are, don't fear religions; don't be afraid to be yourself. If a Christian denomination won't accept you based on your sexuality, they don't deserve you or any followers for that matter. If you really want a church, then find one that is accepting. Nobody can control your religious beliefs. Freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion are key things in this country. We should fight to maintain them.
I'm an atheist and I got all kinds of crap from religious people when I first came out as such. I am also straight, but fervently believe in equal rights. Don't be afraid to be yourself, and tell people who you are.

Rick's comment: Bobby, the love of God extends to you through Jesus dying on on the cross for your sins. Salvation is available as a free gift from God to all who will receive it, Romans 5:17, 6:23.
Aug 12, 2013
 Removed my information huh?
by: Anonymous

I gave you proof that hell is nothing more than the grave and you did not post it. Interesting.

Rick's comment: No Kiddo, you gave me opinion based on your own delusion. Nothing you wrote was factual, which is why I didn't post it here.

How can I get saved?
Aug 22, 2013
 I need answers! I seek help
by: Anonymous

Okay so time to look up if gays go to hell because I am one. my mother has asked me if I am homosexual for the past years but I deny it because I have hope that I soon will have a change of feelings but it's not happening! I don't want to go to hell!

I don't even go to church! I want to though. I want to pray my sin off but I'm scared of being caught since I don't pray very often. I plan on going to a straight camp to become straight. I will do anything to change my sexuality! I just want to be normal and have a happy family. Why was I chosen to be gay? I want to change!

I get made fun of for being gay and that has made me what I am now. I am cruel, evil, mean. This, and I lie! This is what gods gift has made me! I'm full of anger and depression. I'm in need of your help please!

Rick's comment: Thanks for commenting. This website exists to point people to Jesus as their Savior from sin and to explain what the Bible says and doesn't say about being gay. This link is a good place to start.

How to know FOR SURE you are saved.
Aug 24, 2013
 very good read
by: Chris

thankx for your insight on this topic, very helpful
Aug 25, 2013
 another one led astray
by: Anonymous

You let lead another one astray with your false teaching. I am glad I am not in your shoes.

Rick's comment: I get that a lot. Don't any of you bother to read and study the Bible before you comment? I hope you are aware that ignorance is NOT the fruit of God's Holy Spirit. You do know that, don't you?

In the future, before you criticize a man, take time to walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away AND you have his shoes!
Aug 25, 2013
 ...study the Bible
by: Anonymous

I actually have studied the Bible in extreme detail, Hebrew included.

Rick's comment: I hope you will keep studying and keep seeking truth.
Aug 30, 2013
 Demons of homosexuality?
by: Alexandra

What is your opinion on this matter - deliverance from demons of homosexuality in this case? Thank you and God bless you, in Jesus Name!

Rick's comment: Nothing in the Bible supports the belief that there are demons of homosexuality. In the Bible, no one ever cast demons out of a born again Christian. Yet religious fakirs allege that they cast demons out of believers in Jesus.

Click on the link and read the article several times. It contains lots of very helpful information. Also, please look up the verses, Acts 17:11. Many thanks!

Are deliverance ministries scriptural?
Aug 30, 2013
 Yes, Christians need deliverance
by: Anonymous

I have personally witnessed demons being cast out of born again Christians. I watched as a minister friend of mine performed it on Christians friends of mine. I have witnessed the the demons speaking forth from their mouths in English and ancient language. So you can't say that it is fake. The Bible also talks about this, yet you will say it does not because it is against your belief.

Rick's comment: No dear one, you have not personally witnessed that. You are confused or deceived. What you claim to have witnessed is completely contrary to what the Bible says. It is dangerous to ignore the Bible and then base your beliefs on experience.

May I encourage you to MAKE SURE you are saved by the blood of God's Lamb, John 1:29, by reading the gospel of salvation at this link? Many thanks.

What must I do to be saved?
Sep 07, 2013
 What does sexuality have to do with sin?
by: Translate

I do not see one verse in the bible that a person's sexual relatedness is any what relative to sin at all. If a woman / man has no sexual interest whatsoever in the opposite sex, how does that make them a sinner and doomed to hell...

I have a newly translated Galilean Aramaic translation with 1 Cor 6:9 and it is translated as 'child molesters' not homosexuals. Where is homosexuality mentioned in the 10 Commandments? And what were Christ's Commandments, Love the Father with all your heart, soul, mind and body; love your neighbor (which mine translates as 'best friend' as yourself) and love your enemies...

The point is, It is by Grace in Faith you are saved and not by works, so that no human being may boast...

The word homosexual didn't exist at the time the Bible was written; try reading up on Homosexuality during the times of the Romans. Paul was dealing with all types back then, including what we call today "New Age Spirituality" What has been will be again and what will be has already been.
Sep 16, 2013
 Thanks - Must Read
by: Anonymous

Hi, I'm turning 18. I was starting to hate my self for being homosexual, and feel disgusted, for keeping on trying to change and fail. It got to a point were I got depressed and started to wear a mask (a fake smile, fake happiness.) I even thought about maybe jumping of a bridge, heart broken and uncertain of what to do.

I searched for answers and found them, but this is just one site so I did more research while reading this and found lots of proof of the
mistranslation in 1 Cor 6:9 and more. I can finally live with myself.

Found a scripture for all Christian homosexuals, gay, lesbian, etc., being mocked and feeling rejected. Galatians 1:10 English Standard Version

"For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ."
Sep 18, 2013
 I wouldn't
by: lex

Idk if it's wrong or not but I am gay. In Lev 18:22 when I interpret it, I will never lay with mankind AS I would lay with a woman because I'm gay. So i will never lay with a woman.

Rick's comment: I see your point yet the context of Lev 17:7, 18:22 and 20:13 has nothing to do with being gay or lesbian. The context is shrine prostitutes worshiping demonic false gods and goddesses.

What must I do to be saved? That's a question everyone must answer.
Sep 20, 2013
 wrong
by: morris766126

all homosexuals who do not repent and continue having same sex relations WILL BURN IN HELL
any one who says different is a lie and does not have Christ in them.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Romans 1:26-27 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rick's comment: Morriss766126 - Well aren't you a fountain of cheer. LOL. If you are interested in truth, click on my NavBar for an in-context explanation of the verses you cited.

Your views about who will burn in hell are wildly unscriptural and strangely at odds with what Jesus said when He taught Hell 101.
Sep 21, 2013
 At Odds?
by: Jeff

At odds with what Jesus said? Incorrect. I have studied Hebrew and Greek and the Bible is very clear that a life style which we now call homosexuality is a sin and an abomination which will stop you from entering Heaven.

On the other hand, people should not be hated. Hating is wrong and also a sin, yet not an abomination.

Rick's comment: It seems a frequent claim lately, by folks who want me to post their comments, that you have studied Hebrew and Greek and based on that study, you know that being gay is a sin. Yawn. No facts, no verses which, in context, say that yet you want us to accept your assertion as gospel truth.

When I got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, I fell in love with Jesus AND I also began to love the truth of God found in the written words of God.

May I kindly suggest, you would be better off if you stop commenting on gay Christian websites and instead, use your time to obey 2 Timothy 2:15? If you have not yet memorized that verse, please do so immediately. Many thanks.
Oct 05, 2013
 ACTUALLY
by: Allie

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (and ive read several translations and they all mean the same thing.)

Leviticus 20:13

1 Timothy 1:10

Romans 1:26-28

Hebrews 13:1-25 Focusing on "God will judge the sexually immoral and adulerous." Not you or anyone on this site.

And its odd to me that you judge other Christians when they are simply following what the bible says.

Rick's comment: No Allie, actually they are ripping verses out of context and then insisting that the out of context verses mean something they did NOT mean in context. Doing that is dishonest.

And no, maybe the bible doesnt name homosexuality as a sin. It does however call it an abomination. There are no grey areas, no loopholes. If God calls it an abomination it is an abomination.

I do believe that homosexuality is an abomination. I do beleve that its sin. However I also believe that you are responsible for your lifestyle and your personal relationship with Jesus.

Rick's comment: In context, the Bible never says that. You ignore context because you prefer: (1) not to think and (2) not to study your Bible.

Romans 1:32 "Though they know Gods decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." God Bless You, regardless.

What must I do to be saved?
Oct 05, 2013
 Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek
by: Ted

Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek. It is plain as day in all three that same sex relationships are a sin. Period. Nothing is being taken out of context as you say, you simply can't admit it because you need a way to justify your life style.

Rick's comment: Being a low information Christian is nothing to be proud of Ted. No Bible verse in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek condemns two gay guys or two gay gals when read in context.

You and your low information friends must rip verses out of context and then insist that the out of context verses teach something they do not teach in context. That is your modus operandi - rip verses out of context and then obfuscate.
Oct 06, 2013
 Leviticus 18:22 isn't talking about homosexuality
by: Shane

To previous commenters: if Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 were a condemnation against all homosexuality in every context, why did the latter use two different words for "man" and "male"?

Verse 20:13 says a "generic man" (iysh) must not lie with "specific man with a special purpose determined by the context" (zakhar). If it was really against homosexuality why didn't it say something like "iysh lying with iysh and ishsha lying with ishsha is an abomination"?

This is literally the only law in the Old Testament that mentions anything same-sex. Would Paul invent a new law in Romans and 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy that says "oh yeah and gay people go to hell" that was never referenced before? Wasn't he a Pharisee who knew the Law really well and knew not to change it?
Oct 13, 2013
 repent and ask jesus for mercy
by: me

all gays and lesbians will burn in hell. the bible is clear on that so stop fooling yourself that you go to heaven, yes you will go to second heaven where you father satan is.

Rick's comment: Umm, okay, that's an odd comment.
Oct 27, 2013
 Quote the verse and explain it in its context
by: A mom

(nor effeminate) What does this word mean? having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly. This too is in the KJV 1 Cor 6.9 where does this fit into your righteous contempt for biblical saying that homosexuals are going to heaven in their sin?

Sin is sin repent yes, but if you are going to keep living the lifestyle then you are not truly sorry therefore what a waste of time it is to repent if you are just going to keep doing it.

Rick's comment: What malakos means in the Bible.
Oct 27, 2013
 God Resists the Proud
by: Mom

Homosexuals refuse to submit themselves to the authority of God. The lifestyle is one of defiance against the pure and perfect will of God. I don't need to bash use foul words to tell you that they are those who are rebelling against Him. It's called being blinded by satan.


Romans 1:27-29 in the King James Version (KJV)

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

They may not be able to help how they feel, but it is because of the number one sin PRIDE... 1.James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Rick's comment: I don't think it's unreasonable of gay Christians like me to expect you to study before you attack us. Clearly you have not studied the clobber passages. May I kindly encourage you to study Romans 1 in context? Many thanks for stopping by.
Nov 01, 2013
 great resource
by: Sarah

Please read an article written by John MacArthur, who is known for seeking Biblical truth, link below. Great resource for this topic. God's Plan for the Gay Agenda according to John MacArthur

Rick's comment: I agree with John MacArthur on some issues BUT on the gay issue and on Calvinism and Lordship salvation, I disagree with him. That said, I provide in depth answers to all of the clobber passages on this website. Click any link on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says.

John MacArthur admits in his books and online, that the real context of the clobber passages is cult shrine temple prostitution, which is radically different from being gay or lesbian. By the way, Phil Johnson also admits those truths. It is odd that good men like John and Phil, who are usually careful to exegete scripture and focus on context, choose to ignore context on verses used to clobber gays.

I hope you have enough courage to read the truth on this website instead taking some-one's word for it - be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 02, 2013
 Gay men
by: jack

Unfortunately it says in the Bible "man shall not lie with man as with a woman. it is abomination". Thats pretty clear.

Rick's comment: Hi Jack - PLEASE dear readers. Promise me you will NEVER say that at the airport.

Fortunately, some of us obey 2 Tim 2:15 and study the Bible instead of assuming that the first thought which pops into our head when we read a verse MUST be true.

May I kindly encourage you to move beyond surface impressions about the meaning of Bible verses? Instead of assuming that you are so intelligent that you know what the Bible means without ever studying it, how about reading, memorizing and obeying 2 Timothy 2:15?

It's up to you, of course but it will make your life better when you obey God and delve deeply into His inerrant infallible word. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 07, 2013
 The way and truth
by: Rev.Johathan w Bowlin Sr.

This has been one of most misdirected answer's of God's word I've ever seen,One thing is true the bible never said that you could not be saved if you have lived such a life stle, that's for sure but if you do not turn from this way of living(repents)then yes you WILL be lost,people forget what happen to Sodom & Gomorrah in Genesis chapter 19,For their sin was so great God destroyed them because of it,the apostle Paul even wrote in Romans chapter 1 verse 24-32 that they were worthy of death because of it being consider wicked in the eyes of God,James said in chapter 4:17 that if you know to good and do it not then it's sin,God didn't want us to keep living in the sinful way (Romans 6 and verse 2 he said that how the we are dead to sin live in sin,God doesn't want us to keep living in sin that's why we repent and change our way of life to the way he wants us to be,it's God's will not our on and if we expect to make it we have live according to his way not ours, and he says we must change then that's what we must do,I pray that if anyone reads this before it gets deleted by someone that you would be more open to God's word and not bye mans get yourself an old King James Bible not know new NIV but get an old bible and before you even open it up fine you a place and pray and ask God for the truth either way and be open to his way,fast and pray like you've never had before and I believe if you do these things he"ll show you everything you need to know,God bless you all.

Rick's comment: Rev. Jonathan, may I encourage you to do more study than you have done. God never puts a premium on ignorance. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 09, 2013
 Truth Sets You Free
by: Sheena

I have read NET, KJV, WEB, ASV and NIV old and new versions of Bible, all have the same meaning that homosexuals will not inherit God's kingdom. I would ask you to read succeeding verses of 1 Corinthians 6:9 to make it clear to you, especially 1 Cor. 6:12-20 about sexual immorality and 1 Cor. 7:1-2.

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." (Proverbs 16:25) Things are not always what they seem. Proverbs warns us that we can be deceived into believing we are going down the right path and yet be heading toward death and hell, the opposite direction from God's will.

People will do what makes the most sense, based on our own wisdom. But what looks attractive may actually lead to sin, ultimately destroying what is precious to us. "Sin packages itself so attractively that we are lulled into thinking that it cannot really harm us" (2 Cor. 11:14-15)

God is absolutely just. He loves, and forgives, but He does not compromise His righteousness. God deals with us uniquely. God will forgive us of our sin, but He may provide stark reminders of the ugliness of sin like He did to Paul.

Rick's comment: Sheena, your statement leads to a false conclusion. "I have read NET, KJV, WEB, ASV and NIV old and new versions of Bible, all have the same meaning that homosexuals will not inherit God's kingdom." There are many problems with your view.

1. The Greek words malakoi and arsenokoitai were rarely, if ever used to mean homosexual.

2. Homosexual is a modern cultural construct. It was not a word or a concept people used in ancient times.

3. Paul did not use any word which meant homosexual in his writings.

4. It is arrogant and sinful to inject the word homosexual into any Bible verses, since that word was never used in the Bible.

5. Comparing five or six translations of the Bible and assuming you know what a verse means, is not studying the Bible.

6. Bible study requires getting to know the biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic literary and religious context, just for starters.

7. The crowd is usually wrong, yet on the gay issue, without really studying, you have decided to go with the religious crowd.

May I kindly encourage you - take time to do a lot more study before you condemn us based on false information? Many thanks.
Dec 24, 2013
 Genesis 1:27
by: Hal

God made Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve.

Rick's comment: LOL - Merry Christmas to you.
Dec 27, 2013
 So called Christians crack me up
by: Nikki

Do all of you so called Christians practice what you preach? If you are going to church, studying the Bible and yet scam, lie, cheat, steal, live with a man or woman co-habitating bringing forth children in a relationship and all the while being neglectful of your children and fellow man, and mean as a rattlesnake all week but get to church on Sunday singing Hallelujah in the choir doesn't make you an expert.

Because that is what matters, the condition of the heart. How do you treat your fellow man? Even though someone is gay, do you show them kindness and love? How they live is not for you to judge. Quit worrying about someone else's backyard and go clean up yours. Y'all are the biggest hypocritical gossipy extremely prejudicial people on the face of Earth, and unhappy with your own lives because you know and see your shortcomings but are afraid to take your own blinders off.

I know I must pray and I do realize my shortcomings. Stop trying too pick on those society looks down on. Look at yourselves in the mirror. You point a finger at others, scoff, and make fun of others' struggles. Try recognizing that it is the condition of the heart that matters. As long as the person is saved why do you care how others live. All of those men that Jesus were around were not the best of the best. They still continued to struggle with their own issues even after being baptized and following Christ.

I believe it was Peter who denied Christ as the cock crowed, forgive me if I have mentioned the wrong name. I am no Bible thumper and do not proclaim to be unlike you so called Christians who come to this site to verbally beat up on others who are picked on and looked down on by society. But I guess he is on his way to hell because the Bible states that Christ says if you deny him, he will also deny you to the Father, right?

Well, I see that same man, Peter, has a book in the Bible named after him, and no one is questioning whether or not he is really going to heaven. Go fix yourselves first and clean up your own backyards.
Jan 03, 2014
 Your incorrect translation
by: Gary Kukis

There are dozens of Greek scholars out there. One of the best lexicons is by Thayer, who says of the word in question:

G733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs Thayer Definition:

1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

The narrow definition which you give it does not occur in any of my Greek textbooks (and I have an extensive collection). Your narrow definition is self-serving and has no application to today (also problematic).

Rick's comment: Hi Gary. The problem with translating arsenokoitai with our English word, homosexual, is that NO ONE in the first six centuries of church history used arsenokoitai with that meaning.

That meaning also makes arsenokoitai include lesbians and no one in church history used arsenokoitai when speaking of lesbians. Homosexual also excludes heterosexuals who engage in same sex activity.

Thayer's lexicon is not the best. Thayer was a Unitarian, who denied the deity of Christ and the Trinitarian godhead. His aberrant views impacted the truthfulness of his lexicon.

Your problem is, you are unable to admit that a sin is a sin. All believers are tempted; some of them with various sexual temptations. Such believers do not go out of their way to excuse their own personal temptation.

Salvation is clearly by faith in Jesus Christ, no matter what. But, after salvation, there is day-to-day fellowship with God. 1John1:9 tells us that "If we admit our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Here is your basic problem: if you are a Christian and refuse to admit a sin is a sin, then how will you get back into fellowship?

Rick's comment: No Gary, my problem is that I will not allow you or anyone else to assume facts not in evidence about the meaning of words. And then, based on your opinion instead of facts, you attack gays and lesbians.

Did you bother to click on any of the text links in my article? I have not proposed any new doctrine or any private interpretation. My views on arsenokoitai are the views of Christians for almost 2000 years. Your views on this issue do not reflect the views of our spiritual forebears. You're retired now so may I kindly encourage you to do more in depth study? Many thanks.
Jan 04, 2014
 As Usual, Rick is 100% correct
by: Ted

As usual, no matter what evidence or facts that are given, Rick is always right. I guess Rick is the only person on the planet that is 100% correct in all of his Biblical beliefs.

Rick's comment: LOL, Ted, so far you folks have presented no in context facts, no in context evidence. Some folks refuse to study yet expect the rest of us to honor your baseless opinions. Sadly for you, post-modern illogic is always a dead end street.
Jan 10, 2014
 sexual immorality
by: mom_of_6

Sexual immorality is a sin. It includes, homosexuality, adultery and sex before marriage (fornication). Ephesians 5:5 says, "For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God."

Rick's comment: Hi mom_of_6 - Are you aware that no Bible verse equates being gay with sin or sexual immorality? People who believe otherwise always take a few verses out of context in their attempt to make them say what they wish they said.

If they left the verses in context, it is clear that none of the verses they love to quote against gays and lesbians is talking about being gay or lesbian. In context, no Bible verses says anything negative about being gay or lesbian.

Will you prayerfully read the information under the NavBar heading, What The Bible Says? God has joyful information about this topic which will bring peace to your heart. Many thanks for stopping by.
Feb 18, 2014
 Question
by: Bill

So if a paeodophile is saved, he then doesn't need to change his sexuality?? ...I dont think so!!

Rick's comment: Hi Bill - please think before you comment. Thinking keeps your blood pressure from shooting up. Being a pedophile is not a sexual orientation. It is a paraphilia.

GayChristian101 is against pedophilia.

What must I do to be saved?
Mar 06, 2014
 citation please
by: David

Where is the proof that arsenokoitai doesn't mean homosexuality? ESV also says it is, and that is a very literal translation. Where is the source for this mistranslation?

Rick's comment: The article contains text links. Those text links about the meaning of arsenokoitai and the links on those pages provide the documentation you seek. Many thanks for stopping by.
Apr 22, 2014
 Jesus is the only way to heaven
by: Kenny

The only way to be saved is through faith and not of works. But there is a difference between Jesus as Saviour and Jesus as Lord.

All I can say is after being truly saved I want to try and be what is pleasing to Jesus (who loved me enough to be beaten to a pulp and die for me on a lonely cross) whether that involves giving up certain things or abstianing from certain things. All I want to do is what's pleasing to him and not what's pleasing to myself.

Jesus as your Saviour happens the minute you beleive and are repentent of your sins. Trying to make Jesus as Lord is a life time of work.

Rick's comment: Hi Kenny - we teach that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. Works have absolutely nothing to do with getting saved or staying saved. Here is how to get saved.

We are not Lordship salvationists nor are we Calvinists.
Apr 23, 2014
 Can't change
by: Kayla

I'm 15 years old and I'm quite certain that I'm a lesbian, and I know there is no way to "pray the gay away." I was born like this, it's what I'm attracted to. If god made us in his own likeness, and is supposed to love everyone of us, then why would he not love me?

What's the point of creating gay people if they will be sent to hell anyways? I think we are just not quite sure, because one quote says il be stoned, the next says god accepts everybody, why are you judging us anyways, pretty sure your not supposed to do that either. I know the quotes, and I understand that the heterosexuals wouldn't understand the homosexuals. I can't blame you for that, and god will probably forgive you for that, but if i really am going to hell then why can't you guys at least leave me with my hope.

Rick's comment: Hi Kayla - here is my Bible study: Jesus teaches Hell 101, so you'll know what Jesus believes about hell.

it is SO easy to know for sure you are saved. Once you know for sure that you are saved, trust the Holy Spirit to show you His truth as you read the Bible. Best place to start is the New Testament.
May 18, 2014
 prayers for all
by: regina

Rick, This is off your subject! I will pray for all on this page. God is good and he is our judge. When it is our time to meet our father, then we will see who goes where considering we all our sinners one way or another.

With that being said do you know where we can get the Greek and Hebrew transcript? We would love to get a copy!

Rick's comment: Hi Regina - you can freely access the Hebrew text of the Old Testament and the Greek text of the New Testament online at http://www.blueletterbible.org

Hebrew - English and Greek - English Interlinears in book form can be found at amazon.com
May 21, 2014
 What is your take on gluttony ?
by: Emma

As I read your replies and teaching on gays and lesbians not living in sin, I am curious what is sexual sin in your perspective and what do you think of gluttony? Is it a sin ? If so what makes it a sin?

You use quite a bit of outside resources to back up your interpretation of scripture, but what, if you don't mind me asking are examples of sin you do deal with? Do you have a struggling sin right now? In other words, how do you work out your own salvation?

John 15 tells us of the importance of remaining in The Lord. How do you remain in Him ?

As you consider your walk, is the fruit of The Lord evident in your life? We can't muster self -control or patience or love up ourselves, only the power of the Holy Spirit can do this and it happens as we repent of our sinful ways. My caution to you and anyone else reading this information is absolutely unrelated to sexuality! Instead, I speak on the heart- if we as Christians who claim that we have salvation thru Christ and that He lives in us fail to hear Him when He tells us the way to righteousness, our conscience becomes more and more quieted to wrong.

If you do feel The Lord has given you a true peace about your eternity with Him, understand the Kingdom of God is now in the hearts of those who believe. If you are not experiencing such fellowship and communion, please do not hesitate to search your heart of the sin He does bring to your heart and repent! Christ died for our sins that we might repent regularly of food idolatry ( what I am facing right now!), pleasing people, materialism, whatever it is repent and turn to The Lord that you might experience abundant life NOW!

Rick's comment: Hi Emma - My ministry has lots of enemies so I don't share personal information beyond what is on my Coming Out page.

On gluttony, it seems to be a predominant problem in western society for many reasons: fast food, high fructose corn syrup, too much sugar, too much refined flour, too many gmo products in the food chain, not enough exercise. I would Google gluttony for more info.

It may be helpful to your spiritual life to read and study my series on justification by faith and what happens when you get saved?
May 23, 2014
 I think you misunderstood
by: Paul

Hi Rick, I think you misunderstood a word's definition "eunuchs", that definition isn't meaning a gay person.
The actual definition is a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard the women's living areas at an oriental court.

Rick's comment: Hi Paul - I refer you to these pages for in depth info about eunuchs. Your view is incorrect.

Homosexual Eunuchs

Same Sex Attracted Eunuchs

I also have to say that sin does separate us from God, and not just homosexuality. I believe that all sexual sin in general is one of the hardest sins for a person to overcome, especially in our western society. I personally have had a sexual sin addictions in my life for almost 18 years, it wasn't until I turned to God for help that he started to give me proper sobriety.

Rick's comment: The apostle Paul says, Once we are saved, NOTHING can separate us from God, Romans 8:38-39.

Jesus speaks with the adulterous woman (John 8:1-11) about her sexual sin, and he tells her "go, and sin no more" - this is very important, Jesus is forgiving her sins, and then tells her to sin no more. This is difficult task, and will require God's help, but that is the point - turn away from you sin and draw nearer to God.

Matthew 19:4-6 King James Version (KJV)

Did Jesus define marriage as only between a man and a woman?

My personal testimony

Justification by faith

Thank you, Paul
Jun 04, 2014
 Thank you for helping me understand
by: gus

I lI've in a small town with about 600 people. I go to church every sunday and i was so afraid i was going to go to hell when i relized that i was gay because that's what they always teach on sundays.

And it gets hard being stuck in this town with no way out, stuck with people who say amen and praise god when the pastor says something against being gay. I can count on one hand the number of people who know and even they don't really understand and i just want to say thank you because this really helped me .

Because i love god and i was so afraid that i was going to hell simply because I'm gay its gotten to the point where I was praying that god would fix me, you know, make it where i feel about girls the way that i feel about guys. So thank you. this helps so much and it was comforting to know that in the large scale of things i wasn't the only one who was worried or scared and that I'm not alone so thank you so much.

Rick's comment: You're welcome. I'm glad we can be a blessing to you. Have you considered moving to a more gay friendly place, like southern California or Wilton Manors, FL or?
Jun 08, 2014
 Homosexuality is a serious sin
by: Rolando

God has and will always and forever and ever be the same. Homosexual is a detestable offense to God!!! Don't let anyone from this age fool you? They only hear what there etching ears want to hear.

Rick's comment: Hi Rolando - I hope that someday soon you will stop getting your exercise by jumping to conclusions. Listening to mp3s of the Bible while you jog or drive to work would be better for you, as long as you always remember to interpret scripture IN CONTEXT, 2 Timothy 2:15.

On the gay issue, it is clear that you have never really studied it. How about doing more study before you draw a conclusion? Many thanks.
Jul 15, 2014
 YOUR WRONG with this WEBSITE!!!!!
by: Kastyn

1 Corinthians 6:9-NIV - Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

New American Standard Bible - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,


SMH. this comes directly from the bible. email me-if you would like to learn more, or converse in a friendly, and organized manner.

Rick's comment: Hi Kastyn - one of the first lessons of Bible study is: Do not assume the text means what you think it means.

That is because often, your first impression is wrong. If you're interested in truth, these pages provide truth about

Malakoi and 1 Cor 6:9

Arsenokoites and 1 Cor 6:9

How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?
Aug 28, 2014
 What is meant by effeminate?
by: adam

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoitai)," 1 Cor 6:9, KJV

What is meant by EFFEMINATE?

Rick's comment: Hi Adam - Effeminate, from the Greek word, malakoi, is defined on my Define malakoi page.
Sep 03, 2014
 I'd give anything
by: Trevion

Well, I guess since I'm not sure where to start, I'll just start with this. My name is Trevion, I'm a 20 year old male, I just turned 20 two weeks ago on August, 13. I confessed to my pastor yesterday that I was gay and. well the answer I got was the answer I expected.

Before I go any further, let me just say that before I confessed, I was truly happy with my life. After I graduated highschool in the top 10% of my class, I was excited to go to college, get into my dream career, and live out the rest of my days feeling happy and free.

It never really took much at all to make me happy. I didn't need fancy clothes, cool technology, lots of money, or even too many friends to feel happy and loved. I knew that God loved me and that was enough to feel me with so much Joy that my heart overflowed with it, and all I wanted to do was share that love with everyone.

If i could list out my one true desire, it would be to find true love. True, commited, deep, passionate, honest love. And throughout my life, it's been that desire that's been my sole driving factor.

I was willing to hit the gym and make myself stronger, so that I could protect the one I cared about, and let him know that he was safe. I was willing to let go of anger and frustration for the sake of living a loving and preaceful relationship.

I was willing to endure long hard hours of study, so that I could make more money, and be able to take care of that person, and give them a long and happy life. Just thinking about each of these things was enough to put me to bed with a smile on my face, because I knew that, no matter what happened, I woudl always have this deep love inside me, and that God would always accept me, so long as I loved him too.

But yesterday, when I talked to the pastor, I found out that I was living a lie. I could never know the pleasure of a loving and committed relationship. I was damned right from the start, and now, the only way for me to be saved is to endure a life full of pain.

I cant recall ever having felt a pain as deep or sofocaitign as the pain I feel right now. When I found out that I couldn't be gay, I didn't just lose my sexuality, I lost my whole reason for living.

God has been angry with me since I was a child. Since I can trace my gay feelings all the way down to when I was two years old. I didn't know it was "gayness" then or that It was wrong, but I definitely remember feeling something then, and lookign back, I have no doubts about what those feelings were.

The deep well of love that i once shared with everyone has gone dry. I used to love my life, now I wish my soul could just dissapear. I used to have hope for my future, now I cant feel happy about anything. I could win 10 million dollars the next day and it wouldn't mean anything.

If the very love i felt was evil, then I cant go on loving again. And as much as I wish I could feel something ANYTHING for the opposite sex, and go on living that way, the feelings just aren't there.

I spent yesterday curled up in a ball of pain, crying out for God to help me. Becasue, right now I just cant see myself finding joy in this world anymore. If i'm completely honest, i would've considered commmiting suicide if I didn't know that I'd go straight to hell if i did it.

So right now I feel trapped. I'm doomed to live on this earth where the pain will never stop. And if I do decide to endulge these feelings that I used to have, I'll have to witness the person I love more than anything else suffer for all eternity in hell.

I'd give anything if the bible were written just a little bit differently. If, maybe i'd have been born a female. I'd give anythign to be able to share my love with someone else.

Right now I feel like I've been trapped by my own faith.

Rick's comment: Hi Trevion - In Jesus there is help and joy and peace for you in the midst of the storm. God gave you a brain and a Bible because He expects you to use both instead of farming out the responsibility onto your pastor. The links contain the info you need to bring peace to your heart.

First thing to do is: Make sure you are saved. I'm not talking about joining a church or going to confession - getting saved is the real issue here.

Second, once you know for sure you are saved, it helps to understand what happens when you get saved. God has a purpose for you and for your life. Are you willing to spend some time discovering God's purpose for you?

Third, once you understand what happened when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal? Being gay has absolutely nothing to do with being saved.

Fourth, my Gay Christian FAQ answers lots of questions about gay relationships and is it okay to be gay. God has something He has already planned for your life, Ephesians 2:10. You can trust Him to work out His plan in your life as you walk with Him.

My website also has lots of helpful FREE Bible studies so you can grow in the Lord - check the NavBar for the FREE Downloads page. And Trevion, please keep in touch and let me know how things are going for you.
Oct 07, 2014
 Sodom and Gomorrah
by: Caleb

Not to beat a dead horse, but everyone wants to say God destroyed Sodom because of homosexuality. Why doesn't anyone ever mention the part of the story where Lot offers his two virgin daughters to all of the men of Sodom to rape instead of the angels who came to destroy it! That's not a sin?!

It seems a bit odd to me that Lot would think that okay. So many want to focus on the so called homosexuals; "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom both young and old". Were ALL the men in Sodom really gay?

Was Lot the only straight guy? What about the two guys who were supposed to marry the virgin daughters he just offered to ALL of the men in Sodom? The whole story is just a bit questionable and quite possibly has nothing to do with homosexuality at all.
Nov 05, 2014
 truth
by: joejack

Someone convinced the masses that Gays were beyond saving and they were indeed condemned to hell. Many people quote the Bible but have never read it through or managed to understand it. In the Bible it clearly states that a sinner that does not accept Jesus as their lord will go to hell, no matter what the sin is.

Nowhere in the bible does it say if your gay you go to Super Hell, or if you murder, drink your life away or let drugs consume your life you can still go to heaven but if your gay you can't. These hateful who claim to be speaking in the name of God really need to look inward and ask themselves if openly lying about Gods will is really a smart thing to do, and what do they think Jesus would think of them if he was before them while they spit venom from their mouth proclaiming its in the name of the lord.
Dec 01, 2014
 I have been struggling with my sexuality
by: Kiyana

I have been struggling with my sexuality thinking i'm straight when i'm not. I'm bisexual and proud. My former girlfriend who I just broken up with said she doesn't wanna be this way scared she won't go to Heaven I said the same thing. But it just didn't feel right at all. Until my sister talked to me said you can't change your sexuality it's who you wanna be. I love the Lord very very much and have did bad things and I repent for doing all of the things. God Loves us for the way we are no matter what we are.

Rick's comment: Hi Kiyana - The first thing to do is, MAKE SURE you are right with God by getting saved the BIble way.

The second thing is to commit to being a biblical disciple of Jesus by reading and obeying the Bible, especially the New Testament.

The third thing to do is, learn what the Bible says about the hot button issues anti-gay Christians keep harping on. A great place to start learning is my Gay Christian FAQ. God bless you Kiyana as you walk with Jesus - it's an adventure like no other.
Dec 29, 2014
 DEARRRRRRR rick
by: William

i am very glad you know the truth of god i talk to him everyday and i will be honest he even made my own angels now get this rick if gays go to hell can i ask why after having soo much faith in him and accepting him in all my heart and soul and spirit my prayers have been answered and why would an angel tell me he wants me by his side ill tell you this rick the ones that think they will make it to heaven by judging others theyre the ones bringing hell to the earth and theyre the ones getting told by satan to say this they just dont know it oh and get this, if gays to hell, why would i have a great relationship with god and start seeing angels fly around me everyday but wait thats not all rick the ones who judge - thats not theyre call thats god, and also get this rick - god loves you oh and get this, gays go to hell lesbians go to hell cause the bible says it is a sin - isnt that why he died for us why when ive asked him and prayed to change.

i'm still gay getting all my prayers answered hmmmmmm you know i believe the devil is talking through those kinds of people cause he loves to cause fear in those, yeahhhhh thats what it is the devil using people and making god loook like a bad father. i can definitely say the devil has them for sure he wants them to cause hell on earth which is why people judge gays so hell can be caused you know its pretty simple judging people. who are you to judge us and say burn in hell thats the devil talking definitely not gods kind loving words. people that judge make me sick theyre misunderstood souls who are lost in hell on earth they just dont know it and saying may blood be spilled on those who do this or something like that.

thats right judgmental keep giving out the word of god make him look bad and terrible he will definitely enjoy taking great care of you to help you realize how the devil uses such harsh words in people and they dont even know it its sad what a pity people are go on keep making jesus look like an unforgiving father - im sure YOUUUUU judgmental christians will make it to heaven only to be told thou show shall not judge.

Rick's comment: Hi William - thanks for commenting. You may enjoy reading these links and sharing them with others.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

What must I do to be saved?
Dec 30, 2014
 THANK YOU!!! SO FULL OF GRACE!!!
by: Rainbow Rachel xx

Dear writer, I stumbled across this article because I am of bisexual orientation and I have a nineteen year old girlfriend. I had originally google searched, is it still a sinful relationship since we engage in no sexual activities because she is 3,000 mis away on the east coast and I'm in the Midwest. But I found this, so intriguing as to answer the question: since I'm homosexual, do I go to hell? This article stirred me to tears for it was literally the most loving, Grace- filled, non- condemning thing from a Christian site I've ever read. I'm a huge fan of Joseph Prince, and part of the Grace revolution, and this is what I have prayed for. Someone to be a city on the hill for hurting and questioning LGBT people. Thank you for your sweet spirit and in depth explanation of mistranslations. My girlfriend and I will definitely be relying on this to defend our love!

Rick's comment: Hi Rachel - thank you for your sweet comments. I appreciate you! May God bless you and your girlfriend as you "walk in the Spirit" (Galatians 5:16) and live for Jesus every day.

What must I do to be saved?
Jan 09, 2015
 My belief
by: Anonymous

Those werent misinterpretations. That is the bible. I love all people including homosexuals but i do believe that they are going against gods word. Romans 6 explains that it is wrong to keep sinning just because you are saved by grace. If you do this you are a slave to sin and sin leads to death.

Rick's comment: Why don't you anti-gay folks ever STUDY your Bible? In Romans 1:24 and 6:19, Paul uses a Greek word which has for more than 2000 years, denoted someone who was a shrine prostitute. Here are the facts.

What does the Greek word akatharsian mean in Romans 1:24?
Jan 09, 2015
 I just don't understand ;(
by: tiffany

I am not a homosexual I am married and have been for 10 years I have four children as well. My problem with this whole subject is the fact that we argue a point in which is not out point to argue. When did god give us the right to say hey your wrong and going to hell I can't fathom how he is shaking his head at this world in dispair! I mean honestly we all have sinned in someway or another whether it be big or small no sin is justified! I don't think it is a sin to be born homosexual I mean I was against it in all honesty until I came across lbgt youth suicide because of anti gay bullying I mean is that what we have come to they are kids for crying out loud I do not know nor will I say I do know very much about the bible but do we really think that is what god wants from us as a race? To teach our innocent children that they are not good enough because of their sexual attraction? If you are crazy enough like I was to think its a choice then next time you see a lonely person do not for any reason tell them they will find love tell them to look at a man/woman and no matter who how or what they are be attracted because you can choose!?! Yeah stupid right its not a flipping choice its genetics its how they are born!!! So stop trying to speak for god and say how he feels because you just look stupid and to all teens and children and adults of the lgbt nation keep your head up be strong and carry on one day all pain will subside and happiness and love will come alive walk tall live strong and above all just keep holding on!!!!
Jan 14, 2015
 you are wrong and misleading people
by: nessie

Leviticus 18:22-29New International Version (NIV)

22 "‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

23 "‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 "‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

Rick's comment: Hi Nessie - Thanks for citing those verses. The context of those verses is shrine prostitutes. Even anti-gay conservative Bible scholars agree with gays on that. This page explains it and provides precise quotes from guys like Pastor John MacArthur.

What were shrine prostitutes?
Jan 28, 2015
 You are so wrong
by: J

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination to God. Leviticus 18:22 male and female where created for each other. Your nothing but a false prophet who lies and brakes people's faith in the end days that we live in now. You will be punished even more then a person who kills by God.

Rick's comment: LOL - Hi J - you are SO sure you are right that you won't put your name with your comment? Haha. Time to buy a clue or find some courage or something.

What must I do to be saved?
Mar 11, 2015
 I KNEW IT!!!!
by: Yasmine

I knew that the bible didn't say anything about homosexuals not going to hell, wow, what a relief, I'm not homosexual, but I am completely not against it, I actually think love is a beautiful thing given to us by God, so we should give it to everyone, when I would hear people say that gays go to hell, I would always wonder were did they hear that, then people started saying that it's in the bible, so I looked for it, and it wasn't there, so how can someone's love be considered evil, you know what I mean, thank you for writing this page.
Mar 13, 2015
 Awesome
by: Johnny Fry

This was just awesome. I think you are doing God's work by letting people know it is ok to be gay. That they can still love the Lord and go to heaven. You have given me a great peace. I thank you.

Rick's comment: Hi Johnny - just so there is no confusion - the way to eventually get to heaven is to get saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. That is God's way of dealing with sin. Jesus took God's wrath against our sin upon Himself, dying AS US FOR US, paying the death penalty for our sins.

Jesus' death on the cross satisfied the demands of God's law, so that when we trust Jesus as our Savior, God has a legal basis to forgive our sins (because Jesus already paid for them), save us, give us the righteousness of Christ as a free gift and take us to heaven when we die.
Mar 29, 2015
 My interpretation
by: kait

I am a heterosexual Christian. I'm not a Bible scholar so it's certainly possible that I have read many verses out of context. But I also believe that the Bible is a book that anyone can understand if you take time to ask God to help you. I appreciate your putting these verses into context and showing the differences in the different translations.

I just want to say one way I decide right and wrong for myself. In the Bible, I'm not sure of the verse, it says that God's commandments were written on our hearts. I take this to refer to what we often call our "conscience". It is the voice inside us all whether we are saved or not that helps us determine right and wrong. I can feel that it would be wrong for me to have a relationship with another woman and that such actions or thoughts are a perversion to who God has called me to be.

However, I know many people that feel that they were created by God to be homosexual in nature. I really can't speak for them. I can't fully put myself in their shoes. All I can do is listen to what God commands of me. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Do not judge. Forgive others as Christ has forgiven you. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I pray that I can allow my heart to be open to God's purpose instead of getting hung up on some verses that some people use to justify their superior feelings to others. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Mar 31, 2015
 Excellent Article But
by: Sheep in Wolves Clothing

Hey Rick! This is a beautiful article and I commend you for writing such a beautiful representation of what it really means to be gay and christian. I am disappointed (but not surprised) by the resounding amount of ignorant folks who spew hate onto your page, but I'm also somewhat disappointed with your responses. I recognize your anger and frustration with these individuals, but responding to them with love and without sarcasm, as you did to an early anon comment, feels much more positive and more righteous than returning the angered words with witty comments.

Rick's comment: Hi Sheep - thanks for your input BUT I've never been a go along to get along, always gotta be positive Christian. When people reject truth, we should confront them. Their laziness and lack of study, their enervating ignorance, their arrogance in teaching error - those are never to be celebrated.

The battery on your car has two poles, one positive and one negative. If your battery had two positive poles, you could not start your car. Negative is necessary and is a normal part of life.

P.S. - Honesty is not anger and frustration - you are wrong to assume that about me. The constant avalanche of affirmation and saccharine positivity in the christian world is nothing more than faux honesty, an effort toward political correctness instead of love for truth.
Apr 01, 2015
 Remember Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve
by: Follower-of-the-Messiah

Obviously who ever wrote this has no idea what their talking about. Gay Christian 101. Really!!! there is no such thing as a Gay Christian. i mean Come on, it clearly states in Leviticus chapter 18:22 and other chapters that it an Abomination. that is the King James Version and not the Niv. I guarantee any version that you look at will say the same thing except worded differently. you cant pick and choose from the Bible it comes as a whole. its right there your just to blinded by sin!!! to see it. Gays, lesbians, transgenders will Not enter into heaven Ever!!!!!!!!! Sin Cannot Enter into Heaven at Any time Whatsoever. God does Not Ever make Mistakes at Any given time. If you were born a Man, Stay a Man, and a Women Stay a Women. I mean this is completely ridiculous that your telling people Homosexuals and Trannys will get to Heaven. Clearly you have a Demon. Clearly you have no love of God in your life.

Rick's comment: HI Follower - LOL - I'll assume that if you're saved, it happened recently and you're young in the Lord. You have probably never read the Bible from cover to cover and you probably have not even read the New Testament from cover to cover.

As you grow in the Lord, I hope you will learn to study the Bible in context, 2 Timothy 2:15, instead of taking someone's word for what it says, Acts 17:11.

Isn't it odd? You and I disagree on the gay issue. Imagine that - I disagree with YOU, so you say, If he disagrees with ME, he must have a demon. Hahaha - that is so silly.

What must I do to be saved?
Apr 15, 2015
 Wake Up Call
by: StarDspl

Rick, I don't know why you would come up with such a article to promote the ungodly lifestyle of homosexuality or any other perverted sexual practice. Being a homosexual, transgender, bisexual etc. is a sin just as bestiality, lying with one's close relative, such one's mother, aunt etc.

You seem to twist the truth to justify sin that God clearly points out that will keep one out of Heaven. You know the truth or either are blinded by your father, satan. You are helping satan distort the truth and ultimately fool many others living the gay lifestyle so that they will join him in hell. I pray that you stop twisting the Bible verses to your and satan's benefit. You have now been warned and I hope you repent of your false teaching before it's too late for you.

I apologize for writing down bestiality. It's actually spelled beastality. In addition to my prior comment, doesn't Paul have a long list of other not only sins but those who practice them regularly as a lifestyle such as alcoholics, murders, and whoremongers. This list also includes homosexuals and there is no way to justify there chance of going to Heaven without true repentance and change from that lifestyle. Peace and wishes for you to repent and seek change.

Rick's comment: Hi StarDspl - what a humble guy you must be to choose the fake name, Star Disciple instead of using your real name. LOL - This is YOUR Wake Up Call. Buy a vowel - get a clue dude! God never puts a premium on ignorance and ignorance about the Bible is NEVER the fruit of the Spirit.

You sound like you've never read the Bible or even the New Testament from cover to cover. Why is that? Examine yourself and ask:

Why am I so willing to attack my gay brothers and lesbian sisters when I am so ignorant of what the Bible says in context?

Your assignment IF you really want to be a Star Disciple, is to read the entire New Testament from cover to cover. Then read it again and then, read it again. Get to know what you're talking about in context before presuming to judge us as blinded by Satan. And all God's people said: Amen and Amen.
Apr 19, 2015
 Gay Christianity
by: Hello Rick

Hi Rick, I am truly sorry for your ignorance in understanding all of the Bible verses that clearly point out that homosexuals will not enter into the kingdom of God. While I may have missed one vowel (and then immediately corrected it, if you even noticed it), you will miss Heaven if you don't stop your false teaching.

You need to get a clue. Jesus does in fact love everyone but the fact remains that the long lists of those who practice certain lifestyles-murderers, thieves, adulterers, homosexuals etc...) will be kept out of God's presence for all eternity. And why should I reveal my name to you? I don't owe you anything but to love you in spite of your wicked ways. Peace to you Rick.

Rick's comment: Hi alleged StarDspl - LOL - Imagine that - I disagree with YOU on the gay issue so you conclude that:

1. I am not saved and,

2. I live a wicked lifestyle.

I get that from quite a few professing Christians who, strangely enough:

1. Rarely study the Bible - have probably never read the New Testament from cover to cover.

2. Rarely study culture and history

3. Cannot intelligently discuss the clobber passages

4. Spend too much time trolling gay websites

5. Lack courage to put their real name with their snarky comments.

Please - stop being a secret disciple of Jesus. If you're serious about following and witnessing for Jesus, it's okay to come out of the closet of anonymity and into the light of the glorious gospel of Christ. Go ahead - you CAN do it.

"Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee." Deuteronomy 31:6
Apr 19, 2015
 God Is angry
by: Wrestler

I don't know why this site even exists. If you call yourself a gay Christian then you have not read the bible correctly. The bible clearly states that if a man sleeps with another man, as with a woman, they shall be put to death. What is so hard to understand about that? It's so simple.

THEY MUST BE PUT TO DEATH as I am literally reading it right now. Liviticus 20:13. So Rick if you are gay then you must be put to death or else you are not following Gods word like a true Christian would. It's like a bunch of 2nd graders that can't read properly here.

Rick's comment: Hi Wrestler - LOL - A Chinese Chihuahua knows more about the Bible than you, because you rarely read or study the Bible in context.

By the way, sounds like you made a death threat against me.

Is kill gays what God wants?
Apr 20, 2015
 Idk - confused about hell
by: Brice

Ik I'm might be too young to think or post about anything with this but im pretty young and when I was in middle school I had bibles thrown at me I was pushed of curves I got a lot of hell and still am n I get told every other day I'm going to hell n idk what's to think it scares me honestly I try to be the best person I can be n I love Jesus christ as my lord n savor but it kill me wondering if everything I do it comes down to my sexuality if I might go to heaven or hell idk I'm very confused n ik this properly won't make any sense for this post but if u could email me that would mean the world to me cuz I have nobody to talk to this about.

Rick's comment: Hi Brice - I sent an email to both email addresses you provided. Check your Spam file if you haven't received them. Hope they're helpful to you.

Can I know for sure that I'm saved?

Jesus teaches Hell 101
May 01, 2015
 God called us to be holy as He is holy.
by: Tae Jun

Everything we do must be pleasing to God's eyes. We must be holy and pure. The NIV is a book of lies.
May 12, 2015
 God
by: Craig erlandson

Yes god saves you from your sins the only hitch is you have to ask him and repent
May 20, 2015
 All hatred is a manipulation by Satan.
by: Mark Andrews

It is sad today to realize that an organization like a church can spout so much hatred towards humanity, and it really occurs to me that supposedly decent Christians have allowed Satan to enter their hearts to do his biding in the name of Jesus's love. Actions like this sometimes manipulate gay people to turn away from God, not realizing that it isn't God and his son, our savior, who is making this happen, but the angel of darkness. The great deceiver disguises himself/herself in the realm of the church to spread vile hatred which goes against every word Jesus ever said in his sadly short life. I have other sins in my life which I constantly work on to have God forgive me, but the fact that I am only capable of loving another man makes these ignorant people want to kill me (all in the name of God) is very sad. I have many gay friends who have never attained faith or left theirs behind because they sadly believe that they are going to hell, so why not just enjoy the party when you are here on earth? I sure am enjoying the party, but I thank God and his son, my savior, every day for making me healthy, happy, and for all the great gifts I have received through his blessings, and that includes the times of suffering which has only made me stronger and more sure of the fact that God has been with me through even the darkest of times. Let's put focus on more important issues, like the fact that Satan is destroying society through the obsession with mass media and technology and the lack of real human interaction.
Jun 26, 2015
 FALSE PROPHETS
by: THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." MATTHEW 7:15

THIS IS YOU, RICK.

Rick's comment: LOL - Gotta laugh at gutless wonders who accuse those of us on the front lines of the Internet truth war of being false prophets but who are too cowardly to put their real name with their silly accusation.

I encourage every English speaking person to read, believe, memorize and obey the old Authorized Version KJB.

Man Up Sister! If you're going to call me a false prophet, at least have enough guts to put your name with your comment AND say why you think I'm a false prophet.

No dear, disagreeing with YOU on the gay issue does not make ME a false prophet.

What must I do to be saved?
Jun 26, 2015
 confused
by: candy

My heart, thought,and ultimate belief is that homosexuality isn't a sin and you show that in several versus. However, I'm still confused because other versus state differently. Such as Lev.18:22, deu.22:5, rom. 1:26-27. There we're a few more quoted to me, but I can't remember them all. Can you help me understand these versus because I've honestly become confused. Regardlyi do not believe a homosexual will burn in hell and believe in salvation. The problem I'm having is determining if it's a sin or not?

Rick's comment: Hi Candy - Yes, I can help. On the NavBar, under, What The Bible Says, click on the buttons. I address and explain the clobber passages. Also, please read through my Gay Christian FAQ.
Jun 27, 2015
 Confused
by: Skippy

I understand repenting and God not holding past sins against you, but continuing to be gay after repenting is still continuing to sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Skippy - more thought and study are needed so that you under-stand, It is not a sin to be gay.
Jul 01, 2015
 homosexuality
by: christine

You are in serious error. The entire counsel of God in the BIble is against homosexuality. Stop trying to twist a single verse. It is up there with murder, adultery, pride etc etc. Does God love all of the above - thank goodness He does. Does He desire all to know Him and be with Him for eternity - He does. Will all people He loves be saved - NO - only those who do the will of the Father. Like all sin, homosexuality is an abomination to a Holy God. It is forgivable but only when repented of. You can't say, I'm sorry I practice homosexuality but I am going to keep having sex with a member of the same sex. It's those who continually persist in the sin that will go to hell. Once the state says it is OK to marry according to human law (not God's law), it will be very hard for homosexuals to repent - which means change your mind and actions. If I steal a loaf of bread and repent and don't continue in that sin I am not called a thief - it is not my character or who I am, it was a one off sin but if I persist in this sin of stealing and it becomes who I am then it is a different matter and I need to repent. Is homosexuality a sin - absolutely and I can send you passage after passage in the bible to explain why - even the medical profession say its causing enormous health and medical problems for homosexuals. Get real - if you want to sin then do it but please don't don't try and justify it.

I have seen hundreds of homosexuals set free and marry a person of the opposite sex and have a family the natural way. It is doable.

Rick's comment: Hi Christine - I question the honesty of your statement, which I bolded above.

Exodus International the largest ex-gay ministry on earth shut down in 2013 and admitted they didn't see anyone change their sexual orientation in the almost 40 years they operated.

Holding out false hope of change for gays and condemning them to hell if they can't change and ripping verses out of context to make it seem like the Bible condemns gays is spiritual malpractice.
Jul 08, 2015
 wrong
by: mike

Nice try, but you are wrong. If a person were to murder everyday of their life, like gays do when they are with a partner, would Jesus forgive by accepting him? Being gay isnt a sin, but acting on it is a sure way to go to hell. You cant make things up to live a life of sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Mike - your words are incoherent - you haven't thought about this much. You wrote: "If a person were to murder everyday of their life, like gays do when they are with a partner" - I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Jul 09, 2015
 If it's not a sin to be gay, how do you explain this?
by: Tim

Leviticus 20:13 - Authorized King James Version, KJV

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Rick's comment: Hi Tim - What are shrine prostitutes?
Jul 26, 2015
 No they won't - no abomination will enter the kingdom of god
by: Jus

No the sick perverted filthy people will not enter the kingdom of god homosexuality is sick and perverted it's sad that people have became that perverted in the head from watching crap on TV that they think it's normal

fact 1 if it was the human race doubt have died a long time ago no homosexual filthy single enter the kingdom of heaven you can make up your new twisted Bibles it is not going to save you from the truth you sick perverted things it clearly indicates in New and Old Testament it is a sick abomination everyone that is not deceived that does have the holy ghost in a relationship with Jesus Christ knows this it is sick and perverted pedafiles you can make up all the lies you want at the end of the day you going to hear you sick perverted paedophiles it's in New and Old Testament Your God is Satan the devil he is a he she.

Rick's comment: Hi Jus - Sorry you're having a difficult day. Hope it gets better for you.

What must I do to be saved?
Aug 17, 2015
 Sodom history
by: Just curious

If lord say u can enter heaven if u gay or lesb, then whats the reason god destroyed Sodom? It doesn't add up.

Rick's comment: Sodom had many sins, including inhospitality or lack of hospitality. Here are a few more that are listed in the Bible.

"As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, 1. pride, 2. fulness of bread, and 3. abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, 4. neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And 5. they were haughty, and 6. committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good." - Ezekiel 16:48-50

The sins of Sodom
Aug 28, 2015
 I Trust
by: FeramiGreen

I have a good relationship with God but Im a lesbian. My crush is girls. But I dont want to get into relationship with another girl. because I believe that is a sin. Please help me. I tried hundred times to stop my feelings but its not work. What to do?

Rick's comment: Hi FeramiGreen - Here's the best advice I can give you.

1. Make absolutely sure you are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ - don't trust your church or your works or your good intentions.

What must I do to be saved?

2. Start reading and studying your Bible so you can grow as a Christian and so you'll know more than the anti-gay crowd.

Bible Study, Part 1

3. Read through this website and make notes as if you're studying for a class, so you will know what the Bible says and doesn't say.

4. There is no way to change your innate sexual orientation. The largest ex-gay group on earth, Exodus International, shut down their entire ministry on 6-20-2013 and admitted attempts to change sexual orientation were not working for anyone.
Sep 07, 2015
 Gays ARE going to hell.
by: Jhon

Gays ARE going to hell if thy do not change their sinful ways. Everyone is straying from gods holy and true word and soon they shall pay for it. "Faith without works is DEAD" you have to WORK for youre salvation. If you're at all affiliated with anything godly you will see you're error and change you're ways. Leviticus 18:22 plainly says that thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it IS abomination.

Rick's comment: Hi Jhon - Thanks for your input. I hope you will keep studying the Bible. God has truth for you if you're interested in hearing it.

What must I do to be saved?
Sep 08, 2015
 Rick
by: Jhon

Rick if you don't change you're ways you're going to hell like the rest of you're followers. You are wrong about many things and I don't eaven know how you sleep at night. You must already be gone.

Rick's comment: Hi Jhon - God bless you. We are saved, washed in the blood of God's holy Lamb, sanctified and filled with the blessed Holy Ghost.
Sep 09, 2015
 thank you
by: A friend

thank you for posting this, I'm a Christian and newly homo, I've heard way to many times that homo cant go to heaven, I've been really depressed lately, this helped, thank you.

Rick's comment: Hi Friend - I'm glad we could be helpful. Please explore our many FREE Bible study resources. After making sure you are saved, I think you will be pleased to discover that God has joy and blessing as you walk the path of His purpose for your life.
Sep 10, 2015
 What about Romans 1:22-28....
by: Jessica

Rowan 1:22-28 It doesn't get any more clear than that. I literally says God abandoned them and specifically says, women started having unnatural sexual relations, as well as men listing and acting with other men sexual, so God abandoned then to let them have the wicked desires of their lust.

There are tons of other verses about it but it just seems the gay community twists things to make themselves feel better about it. So we shall see on judgement day. I'm sorry at that point it will be too late to accept the truth. But as long as they feel loved on the walk to judgement day right? Sad. Temporary happiness for an eternity of pain.

Rick's comment: Hi Jessica - Romans 1 is not about gays and lesbians. Paul makes a strong argument against idolatry. Then he illustrates his argument in v. 26 by mentioning female shrine prostitutes and in v. 27 by mentioning male shrine prostitutes.

Both women and men engaged in anal sex in their pagan worship of the fertility goddess. Neither the men nor the women were said by Paul to be homosexual. There is plenty of information to support what I've written, on my Romans 1 page.
Sep 11, 2015
 One-sided Christianity
by: Mark Waltz

Spread hate around to do your dirty deeds. Spread lies around to manipulate. Spread gossip to destroy. Religious right gets to destroy through wars and a supposed flag of Christ. The real Jesus lived for peace and love of humanity. If you are truly one of Christ, you will love all, do your best to understand all, and really keep the Son of God in your heart without the hatred and one-sided arguments against a large percentage of the population. Live to love, not to hate. We are fighting a war together. Doesn't it make sense to have a large army in the name of salvation?
Oct 28, 2015
 Judgment Day
by: Christian

One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that when we turn to Jesus Christ in repentance and faith, God forgives our sins and gives us the gift of eternal life. We no longer need to fear death or Hell or judgment, because Christ endured them for us. As the Bible says, "He forgave us all our sins" (Colossians 2:13)...

Rick's comment: I have posted hundreds of comments from Anonymous "christian" cowards who condemn gays but who lack the courage and character to put their name with their negative comments. I'm posting your first paragraph but deleted the rest of your comment.

It is time for you to come out of your christian closet into the light of the glorious gospel of Christ. Stop hiding in the shadows of anonymity while you take pot shots at your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. Man up!

What must I do to be saved?
Oct 30, 2015
 Repent or Perish
by: Sola Scriptura

Yes you will go to hell if you remain in sin. The wages of sin is death. An adulterer is not to remain an adulterer and a thief is not to remain a thief.You say Sola Scriptura but ignore the facts before your faces.An twist the words to justify the sin you all remain in. Repent means change one's mind and turn away from.... It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out what it is saying. But if a homosexual repent's renounces the sin then of course they will be saved. If not and like all other people who do not repent they go to hell.Itis not a easy thing to hear but it is the truth. Let not the enemy deceive you! Ask God to revel the truth and ask Him to expose the reality of Scripture and that He is really saying.

Rick's comment: LOL - gutless wonder Calvinists afraid to put your real name with your insulting comments while claiming sola scriptura. You tell us:

"Ask God to revel the truth and ask Him to expose the reality of Scripture and that He is really saying" yet you've never done that with the clobber passages and couldn't discuss them intelligently if your life depended on it.

"Physician, heal thyself:" Jesus, in Luke 4:23

In plainer words, take your own advice. We've been studying these verses and these issues for years and this 500+ page website is one result of our study.
Nov 28, 2015
 Gay Christian contradiction?
by: Charles

Seeing how god burned Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground I think its ignorant from a fundamental perspective to pretend God is okay with that lifestyle choice, I think Leviticus 20:13 sums it up. I don't hate gays or care if they get married, but saying your a gay christian is like me saying I'm a vegetarian while eating beef and pork.

Rick's comment: Hi Charles - How have you managed to be so wrong on so many things? God listed sins of Sodom in Ezekiel 16:49-50 and homosexuality was not among them.

If you bothered to read the Sodom story in Genesis 19, you would discover that no one in Sodom is said to be gay, no one in Sodom has a gay relationship or has gay sex or a gay marriage.

There are two rapes committed in Genesis 19 and both are heterosexual on heterosexual rape - how did you miss that?

Homosexuality is no more a life style choice than heterosexuality - When did you choose to be heterosexual?

Leviticus 20:13 sums it up, really? The context of Lev 20:13 is the Holiness code, which is Lev chapters 17-25. Notice Leviticus 17:7, 18:3, 21-22, 20:2, 3, 4, 5; in other words, using sex to worship idols and false gods is the sin God is focused on in Leviticus. Before making negative comments about your gay brothers and lesbian sisters, a wise man would obey 2 Timothy 2:15, so he knows what he's talking about.

What must I do to be saved?
Dec 07, 2015
 Why do gay Sodomites do what they do ?
by: Frank

Don't blame the Bible because it doesn't suit your lifestyle. I majored in Religious Studies, heard the sob stories from gays and lesbians. If you are going to blame someone-blame yourselves. People die every day and since you didn't follow God's commandments,don't be surprised when you are sent to HELL.

Rick's comment: Hi Frank - It's best not to loathe yourself for being gay. God has blessing and joy for you if you'll trust Jesus and receive His full and FREE salvation.

In the spirit of truth, the Bible never equates gays with sodomites and the Bible never refers to gays or lesbians as sodomites.

What must I do to be saved?


Wishing you a blessed Merry Christmas.
Dec 09, 2015
 wasn't king james bisexual
by: shay

i read that king james was gay himself that two of his boyfriend were buried with him one on the right and one to his left. King James authorized each part of his bible he even said that he was the same as God himself for whom else choses besides them either someone lives or dies. am I the only one who researched this? how come the bible cost so much?

Rick's comment: Hi Shay - Some people believe that King James was gay or bisexual and some believe he was heterosexual. This article explores some of the personal relationships of King James.

I'm not sure how to answer your question about how much the Bible costs. You can find King James Versions for $1 at many Dollar Stores. If you want a good quality leather bound study Bible, you can get one on Amazon for between $40 and $180.

I have a Cambridge pinseal morocco leather bound KJV Bible which I have used for 30+ years. It cost about $35 when I bought it in the early 1980s and still looks good today, even after being used extensively for 30+ years.
Dec 14, 2015
 Effemination
by: Paula Lopez

The word that depicts homosexuality in the King James Version Bible is Effemination not arsenokoitai. Can you please have a closer look at that? Thank you (:

Rick's comment: Hi Paula - Here is 1 Cor 6:9 in the KJV.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate," (Greek word malakoi) "nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (Greek word arsenokoitai).

I have several pages about arsenokoitai which you may find helpful.
Dec 15, 2015
 Bible verses
by: Gilbert

What about the Romans verse? Or 1st Timothy? Or the definition of marriage and sex? Aren't these all clear on homosexuality being sinful?

Rick's comment: Hi Gilbert - Thanks for the good questions. Here are my biblical answers.

1. Romans 1 has nothing to do with gays or lesbians.

2. 1 Cor 6:9-10 and 1 Tim 1:10 have nothing to do with gays and lesbians.

3. Modern teaching that "God will only bless a one man with one woman for life" type of marriage is not a biblical teaching. The Old Testament is full of stories of polygamists who were heroes of the faith and powerful witnesses for God.

And the New Testament gives at least three biblical grounds for divorce, Matthew 19, Romans 7 and 1 Corinthians 7. God Himself is perfect and without sin yet He divorced Israel because of her wickedness and spiritual adultery, Isaiah 50:1, Ezekiel 16:8, Jeremiah 3:8, 14, 20, 25. It is interesting to note that remarriage is allowed for divorced people.

Those truths indicate that God can and does bless marriages different than the Adam and Eve marriage example, meaning that the Adam and Eve marriage example does not rule out other kinds of marriage.

4. If homosexuality were sinful, the Bible would clearly state that yet it does not. EVERY verse used to prove homosexuality is sinful is ripped out of its biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic and religious context because when they are left in context, they do not teach what the anti-gay crowd so desperately tries to prove.

I hope this is helpful Gilbert.
Dec 15, 2015
 Unsure
by: Gilbert

How is it that Romans does not talk about homosexuality? I totally get the verses that say "homosexual" might not be appropriate because they might have been misinterpreted. However Romans says God gave them up to unnatural LUST. And LUST is a sin. God does condemn divorce in the new testament but also provides a basis on which men and women can divorce each other.

Rick's comment: Hi Gilbert - Because I get so many nasty comments, no comment goes live until I okay it. That's why comments do not show up immediately on the website.

Romans 1 is talking about shrine prostitution, not two gay guys or two gay gals who fall in love and commit to spend their lives together. Shrine prostitution was pagans using sex to worship false gods and goddesses.

Why Romans 1 is not about gays.

If Israel was wicked or doing wicked things, then she was not righteous in the eyes of god. And God says that men and women are not bound to marriage if their spouse commits sexual immorality. (I'm not sure what she did btw)

To be completely truthful I'm a gay 17 year old boy and no I have not read the bible cover to cover but I do have a pretty good understanding on scripture especially in regard to homosexuality. Even the most notable non-denominational preachers preach against homosexuality.

Rick's comment: It is true that lots of people preach against gays but all of them take verses out of context to make their point. Think about it - if they have to take verses out of context to make their point, then they are not being honest on the gay issue.

You can imagine how hard this is for me. But the bible does seem so clear. If God really didn't have a problem with homosexuality, why doesn't he discuss it more? Even better, why aren't committed monogamous relationships mentioned in the bible? Wouldn't god have known this would arise such a problem in the future? So why didn't he give us more?

Rick's comment: Monogamous gay relationships are not mentioned much in the Bible because thousands of years ago, culture and society were different. What we read in the Bible reflects the cultural situation of ancient times. It helps to remember that in the Old Testament era, women were not considered equal to men and did not have all the rights of a property owning man.

In ancient times there were no lesbian or gay couples as we know them today. In plainer words, lesbian or gay couples thousands of years ago tended to also be heterosexually married. An agrarian economy and a social structure based on large families made it much more difficult for gays and lesbians to live in exclusive same sex partnerships as we know them today.

Gay marriage as we know it today and gay rights were not even a consideration back then. So the Bible reflects the cultural situation that existed thousands of years ago when it was written and puts the focus on the 95% of humanity that is not gay.

This link provides a more detailed explanation.

Same sex couples in ancient history?

And why do so many people claim to flee homosexuality and believe God has changed them? I'm sorry for so many questions but your help is much appreciated. :)

Rick's comment: Lots of gay people listened to preachers condemning gays and believed their lies, instead of reading and studying the Bible for themselves, to see if what the preachers said was true, Acts 17:11.

Once they believed the anti-gay lie, they started looking for help to become straight, to stop being gay. Exodus International offered that help and spent almost 40 years trying to make gay people straight. It never worked but it did harm thousands of people emotionally and psychologically and spiritually and it helped Exodus make millions of dollars. Exodus shut down their ministry in 2013 after admitting that orientation change did not work for anyone.

If you'll click on the links in my answers to you and carefully read the truth, I believe many of your questions will be answered. God bless you Gilbert.
Jan 02, 2016
 Gays are an abomination to God - NO IF - NO BUT
by: IRefuseBeastMark@gmail.com

LOOK at Deut 22:5 WHERE it states that God finds it an abomination for men to wear women's garments and women wearing men's.

I hate these satanic attitude of this website trying to lure more people away from God and His word. For Jesus Christ to say that if a man looks at a woman in an indecent way than he already committed adultery in his hear. Jesus made this point that people want to deceive themselves to live the way they want to rather than living for God.

I live in San Francisco and there are two huge gay/lesbian (LGBT) parades called pride and Folsom street fair. The Pride parade is recognized by merchants to cash in on the evil festivities and wants to profit (cash) rather than observing God's creation law.

God commanded humans to procreate in Genesis. So how can God's will be done if evil people slant and pervert the word around? Romans 1:20 talks about the invisible good qualities we see. How can a gay or lesbian person say that they can come into existence if a man and woman did not get together? Those LGBT are unappreciative of God's design and purpose just as Adam and Eve were before the devil got to them.

I can go into 2 Tim 3:1-5, Romans 1:26, Genesis 19, 2 Peter 3:3 but what is the use when you ungodly people are hardened in your hearts like the ungodly Egyptians (in Exodus).

You do not fear God and chase after your own foolish fleshly evil desires. Haven't HIV, hepatitis and other future disease that God will inflict on you not enough?

If you LGBT want to rebel against God, you do NOT have the right to corrupt the younger generation of this wicked and perverted and slanted gospel.
God promised that those who speak of the gospel (or God's Word) in a perversion will be held more accountable and anyone stumble another will be liable as well (James 3:1-2).

I am confident that God is on my side and NOT on LGBT side because it goes against His creation and the functionality of it. The diseases and plagues on sin is a fact. Evidence in His word in the Bible along with the diseases and His prophesy that near the end days people will be chasing after their own desires rather than seeking for God.

Rick's comment: Hi I Refuse- Fascinating rant. Are you a member of the True Jesus Church? If not, why do you want to support Pastor Yang in Paris, France, with your money? Do you believe getting baptized in water for the remission of sins is the way to be saved? I hope you are not silly enough to believe that.

I also hope you will start to read, believe, study and obey the Bible, 2 Timothy 2:15. IF you are saved, God created you in Christ Jesus unto good works which He has planned for you - Ephesians 2:10 - Please don't miss out on God's amazing plans for your life.
Jan 07, 2016
 thank you
by: k

i'm a fourteen year old girl, and in a loving relationship with another girl. i plan on coming out to my dad tonight and in fear of him using the bible verses against me, i was trying to find verses on unconditional love and forgiveness from God.

thank you endlessly for posting this, as the idea of sinning so badly that i would be denied the kingdom of God terrified me, and now i can share this view with everyone else i cross paths with.

Rick's comment: Hi K - I don't think it is wise for a 14 year old to come out, in most cases or to consider yourself in a loving relationship with a girl or a boy. Yes you should love your friends but not in a committed relationship way, not in a sexual way. At 14, you should have many friends of both sexes and not be in a sexual relationship with any of them.

Coming out can disrupt your life and the lives of your whole family. It can cause your parents to put you on restriction or in extreme cases, to place you in psychiatric counseling.

I encourage you to read about Coming Out and then follow that advice before coming out. You're young and you have a lot to focus on besides coming out. Don't allow peer pressure or social media pressure to make you come out. Be strong enough to resist doing what everyone else is doing.

What must I do to be saved?
Jan 10, 2016
 Thank you all so much!
by: Alyssah

Thank you all so much! And thank God for you. I hope you and your families have a blessed day.
Jan 22, 2016
 The Creator Made It Clear
by: ReaLTalk

When a mechanic works on a car, he has to keep in mind that it's a car (not a truck). When the doctor does a physical evaluation he/she must know the TRUE gender a person was BORN as. To say that God created the features of a male on someone that was intended to ACT/THINK otherwise, would be like telling God He doesn't know what he's doing. He is GOD the ultimate CREATOR. Ask yourself this, why is it that human being seem to be the only ones with so many various "gender orientations?" The animals seem to have it fully understood. God is a Creator of LIFE, not diseases. Are diseases in fact possible via anal sex, yes it is. The rectum was not originally intended for the insertion in that manner. Put an electrical plug in a socket, and I assure you there will be a better chance of the LIGHT BULB turning on. Hopefully, this will help someone with who God REALLY is.

Rick's comment: I am puzzled - Why do gutless wonders who think they know God HIDE THEIR IDENTITY when commenting here? Please find some courage and man up! Do.It.Now.

What must I do to be saved?
Jan 28, 2016
 You're an idiot
by: Tom

This website is truly sickening. It's incredibly evil how you're luring people on this site to hell.

I hope you really see the truth one day but until then please repent because I have a feeling that God defenitly won't be happy with what you're doing.

Rick's comment: Hi Tom - Thanks for favoring us with your views.

What must I do to be saved?
Feb 02, 2016
 I'm still worried
by: Maddy

I'm still worried that it is a sin because so many people say it is... is it a sin to date people of the same sex also? Or is it just sexual acts? This scares me I DONT WANT TO GO TO HELL. Can I and should I change?

Rick's comment: Hi Maddy - the ONLY way to find peace on this issue is to KNOW FOR SURE that you are saved. Here's how you can know for sure. Can you pass the Good Person Test?
Feb 06, 2016
 Thank you
by: Gabe

For the past year I was struggling with to admit I was gay, but I was in tears happy when I read this, because now I have confidence, I can't thank you enough.

Rick's comment: Hi Gabe - Thanks for your encouraging words. God bless and keep you.

Can you pass the Good Person test?
Feb 23, 2016
 A question
by: John Fountain

My brother, my sister n law, and a couple of friends I work with know I'm gay. Does that mean I'm coming out of the closet and if so will I go to hell for it?

Rick's comment: Hi John - If you're telling people you are gay, then Yes, that means you are coming out of the closet.

About going to hell for being gay, I've already answered that question for you a number of times John.

I encourage you to go to the Comments section of that link to review your questions and my answers. I provided lots of clickable links so you will have sound biblical information about HOW to get saved and HOW to know for sure you are saved.
Feb 29, 2016
 Thank you
by: Meghann

God loves all. Our military consist of a wide variety of people who are gay, straight, black, white, Asian. The US military soldier sacrifices their life for our freedom. To defend, protect.

Basically when person supports our military they are also supporting the gay/homosexual soldiers or do they not count as heroes?. Think twice before judging.

I am not perfect. We are all work in progress. God gave me a will to make the right choices in life. My heart loves everyone. I do not live in the past, and cannot predict the future. But I choose to live everyday w love, kindness to others, respect for others as well as myself, through Gods teaching, and sharing his Word. I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I LOVE GAYS! God is my only judge. God bless and praise the Lord.
Feb 29, 2016
 It does - Just got to read it and study it
by: Chris

Where and I say where does the bible old or new say that God accepts Homosexuality? I do see that it does say that he is against it. That no man shall lie with another man and no woman shall lie with another woman.

Read Mark 10:6-9, Matthew 7:12, Romans 1:24-27, even in the old testament before Christ came in Leviticus. How are you going to argue and twist God's Word? It is not hate it is God's Will. He wrote these laws for reasons. If you love and follow God, you cannot love and follow man's ways. Yes, anyone who does not follow the path of the Lord will indeed go to hell, this would be gays too. Sorry but it is the truth.

Rick's comment: Hi Chris - Where does the Bible, Old or New Testament, say it's okay with God for heterosexuals to get married, divorced, remarried, divorced and married again? How are you going to argue and twist God's word to make it fit the way so many saved heterosexuals live?

Anyone who does not get saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone will indeed go to hell.

For answers to your questions, look on the NavBar of this website and click on the buttons.
Mar 01, 2016
 Duh
by: Meghann

Chris, God loves all. If you are stating gay is wrong and you cannot be a Christian because your gay ( a label ) I pray for your heart to grow big and realize you are not to judge. Only God had the last sat in our life's. Being homosexual is a sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Meghann - The Bible never identifies being gay or being in a gay relationship or a gay marriage as a sin. This website has hundreds of pages of carefully sourced info on that topic.

But so is divorce. Same. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. It's black and white. A sin is a sin. That's why Jesus died. For our sins. Jesus is like Yo, You know that perfect line you have been trying to walk. It's cool. I died so you don't have to be perfect. The bible is like a law book. Laws cannot be broken. But they can be forgiven.

If your heart accepts Christ as your savior regardless of anything else in this world your good in Christ's eyes. Considering the laws of the bible. Do not judge, LOVE ALL, Honestly the world right now needs more pray by whomever doing whatever with who ever than a pee battle over labeling persons. I'm a Christian and I love gays. Now you tell me if i don't love God or of Christ doesn't accept me? Crazy world. Life is simple. Stop hating and start loving. Love does not judge.
Mar 12, 2016
 Faith without work is dead
by: Jeanne

I'm very confuse about this for a while.
I believe that we are saved by Jesus Christ through our faith in Him and He is indeed our Savior. But I'm very confuse because of the passages about "Faith without work is dead". So, basically, we still need to do something(which is the work) because we have faith because without that work, out faith is still dead or we could say that we didn't really have that "faith" at all?

Rick's comment: Hi Jeanne - You've asked an important question. Our works have nothing to do with getting saved or staying saved. Works are the result of getting saved. God has a plan for our lives which He starts working out as soon as He saves us - read Ephesians 2:8-10, paying close attention to v. 10.

This page about grace explains the difference between doing good works (keeping the law) and grace.

Remember, our works do not cause our salvation - they are the result of our salvation.

This SAVED page explains how to get saved and at the bottom of the page I linked to, are other links which explain What happens when we get saved and How long we are saved for. Hope this is helpful Jeanne.
Mar 14, 2016
 OHHH!!!
by: Jeanne

Thank you very much! Now I know! I was having a mental argument about it. Hahaha. So because we are saved through His Grace, we are doing things that are pleasing to Him. Not because we want to do things that we think that pleases Him to be saved by those works. It is indeed very helpful. I even also felt like because of accepting and believing Jesus, even seeking Him and the answers that I asked within me(of course it's about homosexuality), I know God more and more and how much He accepted me and love me as His child.

Rick's comment: Hi Jeanne - that's it - Grace is SO much better than our human works. It will help to review the biblical facts on the pages I gave in my previous answer.

It will also be helpful to highlite the verses in your Bible and make notes in the margin so if someone asks you about it, you will understand it well enough to be able to teach it to others.

God bless you abundantly Jeanne.
Apr 04, 2016
 Gay and Repentance
by: Haley

God tells us to "repent" of our sins, which means "to turn from sin" that means don't commit those sins again, right? So if God says to "repent" of your sins, then how can you still continue to be gay if you're suppose to "repent" of your sins? Think about what you're saying.

Rick's comment: Hi Haley - Repentance does not mean to turn from your sins.

Repentance means to CHANGE YOUR MIND and agree with God about your sins and your need for salvation.

Repentance does not mean that you change your sexual orientation or that God changes your sexual orientation. God saves us from our sins, not from our sexual orientation.

Being gay or gay married is not a sin - this website exists to carefully explain that. In the same way that being in a polygamous marriage was not a sin in the Old or New Testaments, so being gay or gay married is not a sin now.

I encourage you to do more Bible study to gain a better understanding of this issue. I have lots of excellent information on this website to help you. Many thanks.
Apr 15, 2016
 Please preach the truth from now on.
by: Melissa

I appreciate the article that you have written. & I am a firm believer that homosexuals are no different than the rest of us, do to the fact that we ALL sin, on a regular basis. Even a rich Christian who spends their time and money on idolizing material such as fancy cars, clothes, and jewelry is sinning.

However, I do not believe that you're doing other homosexual Christians a favor by writing this article. We as leaders of the church of Christ need to understand what having a repentful heart truly means. It means OWNING up to our sinful nature and allowing it to wreck our hearts and for us to cry out to be more Christ-like. (This is coming from a former lesbian, born again Christian, by the way.)

Rick's comment: Hi Melissa - I'm so glad to know you are saved and walking with the Lord. I believe there is danger however, in holding up your situation as normative for other lesbians and gays.

The largest ex-gay group on earth, Exodus International, shut down their entire ministry in 2013 and admitted that in 38 years, they never saw anyone change their sexual orientation.

I've known some saved ladies who were in lesbian relationships and who self-identified as lesbians yet they had also been in happy relationships with men. I believe they were bisexual instead of lesbian.

I'm not saying it's as easy for every homosexual to escape the orientation or lifestyle. My journey took nearly 7 years. But the important thing to know is that my heart was always repentful, even in my relationship with a woman whom I cared about greatly at the time. There were times I would ask for her to become celibate with me. We would refrain from physical relationship.

(Granted we would become weak and slip at times) but the important thing to note is that I was craving to please God and I was trying my hardest to sin LESS, in all areas of my life. I spent years praying, and everyday trying, sometimes taking one step forward and two steps back. Eventually, God freed me of the desire to be with another female. I am now happily married to my BEST FRIEND, with a beautiful little boy, and another one on the way!!! Praise God!!!

God is capable of answering ALL prayers. He is God ALMIGHTY for a reason. The strong desire that I used to have is now COMPLETELY removed. All I'm saying is that, it may sound impossible and the struggle is certainly real. But, please, do not discredit our Savior. If your heart longs to grow closer to Him, then it starts with prayer and a hopeful heart. Blessings to everyone here on this article. I pray your relationships with Christ continue to grow!

Rick's comment: Here is the truth - I don't want to hold out false hope that God will change someone He created to be lesbian or gay when the testimony of the largest Christian ex-gay group on earth is that they never saw anyone change their sexual orientation.

If the most highly motivated people on earth, saved lesbians and gays, under the most rigorously intense change ministry, Exodus International, could not experience changed sexual orientations in 38 years, it seems more likely to me that, while you were in a lesbian relationship, you were not a lesbian. You were instead, a bisexual.
Apr 15, 2016
 What bible are you reading
by: Ncgrayfox

The word dog refures to the Gentiles anyone other than the Jews YES all gays are going to Hell look at Sodium and gormaro they where a city full of gays that is why god destroyed them read your bible man that lays with man kind as woman kind will never see Heaven with means HELL.

Rick's comment: Hi Ncgrayfox - Is that the way it works? You post an anonymous comment so no one knows who you are. You assert that the word dog refers to Gentiles, without any proof, without any reference to Hebrew or Greek, the original languages of the Bible and without any reference to history.

May I kindly encourage you to study the Bible instead of assuming it means what you think it means without any study?

World class scholars, experts in ancient history and ancient languages, tell us the word dog describes ancient shrine prostitutes who worshiped the fertility gods and goddesses.

What knowledge do you possess that contradicts their fact based arguments?
Apr 22, 2016
 No longer a believer...
by: Phil

I grew up in a denomination and as I came to realize my sexuality in my teens, I realized their preaching was homophobic. I left them and tried a number of others, but still found they were anti-gay. The 'usual' verses Bible have been thrown at me.

I've now left all churches. I also spent 15+ years praying for some little sign that god didn't hate me, sometimes as I was curled up crying. That sign never came.

I'm now left believing he does hate me for how he made me, leaning more to the 'he doesn't exist' end of the spectrum. I try looking for answers, but then realize that the constant hate I've experienced has left me very distrusting, skeptical and disbelieving of anything to the contrary.

Rick's comment: Hi Phil - I am so sorry that some Christians have been hateful and unkind to you. You did not deserve that treatment and they were wrong. God does love you and wants you to know Him as your Savior from sin, hell and the wrath of God.

This website explains the clobber passages in context, offering help and hope to all of God's gay and lesbian children.
May 03, 2016
 What people need to know
by: Yolanda

God made you just the way he wanted you to be, don't question who you are just because someone might tell you something. Before you were in the womb he said you are going to be a beautiful woman or a beautiful man. Don't be deceived today just because everyone is agreeing with it. Don't forget who you are.
May 09, 2016
 Email?
by: Anonymous

Is there a way I could get your email. I wanna talk to you one on one?

Rick's comment: Yes, use our Contact Us form. It goes directly to me, Rick Brentlinger. If you're in the USA and include your phone number, I'll give you a call or we can talk by email if you prefer that.

Note 1: As of November 15, 2017 - To my knowledge, this person has still NOT contacted me.

Note 2: As of September 22, 2018 - To my knowledge, this person still has not contacted me.
May 19, 2016
 Lies
by: Blake

Lies. Those who truly know Christ would/will no longer desire a sinful lifestyle. If one is a true Christian, they will flee from sin and this type of lifestyle. God bless.

Rick's comment: Hi Blake - There are no verses in the Bible which say what you believe about gays UNLESS you rip the verses out of context.

Alleging that gays live a sinful lifestyle is a sin itself since you don't know us and you have no knowledge of how we live.
May 26, 2016
 Will gays go to heaven
by: Tim

No one that is gay will enter enter the kingdom of God their feet will not leave the ground. There is no such thing as a gay Christian nor is there a white Christian nor is there a black Christian there is only Christians. Why throw scriptures into this discussion the scriptures are very plain. In the Old Testament it was a punishment by Death. It does not matter male or female two of the same sex shall not lie together it is an abomination which simply means it stinks in the nostrils of God. I see all kinds Ofor very foolish comments most of the people have no true understanding of God they read the scripture and declare there are words of understanding is the way to be saved.

Saved through faith not by works lest any man should boast. First of all we're speaking of a letter written by the Apostle Paul to the Roman Church he is instructing the church not sinners. There are a lot of people that should just stop teaching scriptures. Matthew Mark Luke and John are the Gospels each man giving a testimony and revelation of Jesus Christ clearly being God and man. After the Gospels we have the book of Acts this is the book that tells Christians how to be saved starting in chapter 1 when Jesus ascends into heaven the Christian dispensation starts not until then the groom went away to prepare a place for his bride. Matthew chapter 16 Jesus clearly gives Peter the ability to bind and loose in heaven and in Earth we clearly see this done in Acts chapter 2 Acts chapter 8 in Acts chapter 10. You can argue to your blue in the face it doesn't matter 1 door one mediator 1 salvation not five hundred different ways to get to heaven. No man could do any work to save man from destruction Christ lay down his life therefore he purchased our salvation not by our works but by his alone and unless you believe that you shall die in your sins. Repent is to die baptism is to bury the in filling of the Holy Ghost is to rise in newness of life that is born again. You need to quit giving scriptures and just obey the scriptures that's how you have you saved. You can't live like the devil and declare your saved you are a liar if you believe or teach that. No homosexuals no Liars no fornicators no adulterers straight or gay committing sin openly secretly is against the nature of God.

Rick's comment: Hi Tim - It sounds like you just recently got saved and you've been taught a lot of negative things about gays. I hope you will read, believe, memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15 in the old King James Bible.

It isn't spiritual to take verses out of context and insist that the out of context verses mean something they didn't mean in context.

I'm sure it will encourage your heart to know there are lots of saved gays already in the body of Christ. In plainer words, we are already part of the bride of Christ.

We'll be together in heaven with you. And please remember, we are ALREADY seated together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:6.

"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"
May 28, 2016
 Yes It Does
by: Nima

If Christians don't KNOW that the bible says this then which bible do they read and what God do they worship? And there's no such thing as a "gay Christian". You're either gay or you're Christian. Jesus said:"Why do you call me Lord but do NOT the things I say?" People who serve Satan are not disciples of Christ. "Let no man deceive you, men who lie with men(and women who lie with women) WILL NOT inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Time to QUIT JUSTIFYING and start REPENTING. It's not too late.

Sorry to inform you but it's YOU have been taught the wrong things about gay people and their consequences. It's YOU who IS NOT saved and not spiritual because you DO NOT have the Spirit of God within you.

You speak vain things that are contrary to the will of God because you have the Spirit of AntiChrist and are led by Satan, not God. You follow a false gospel. Gay people WILL go to hell.

You DO NOT KNOW the REAL LIVING GOD and are of YOUR FATHER, The Devil and the truth IS NOT IN YOU. This is why you savor things that be NOT of GOD. I pray you REALLY get saved and truly come to know Christ and the nature of Christ very soon. God Bless. You are greatly deceived and on the broad path to destruction.

Rick's comment: Hi Nima or Carrie - I combined your rather snarky comments into one.

The rule around here (also known as the Brentlinger Axiom) is:

The more vitriolic the comment, the less the commenter knows about the Bible.

Thank you for confirming that for us once again.
May 28, 2016
 Not going to hell
by: Scotta

Hey everybody if Rick says saved homosexuals are not going to hell, Yippee that means none of us has to repent from sin we can just go out and live in sin knowing we can go to heaven unrepentant. thanks Rick. Excuse me now while i go wallow in sin. (SARCASM)!

Rick's comment: Hi Scotta - "But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." - 2 Peter 2:22

When you finish wallowing and after you've washed off the muck and mire, you may want to discover why real Christians believe in trusting Jesus alone for salvation AND the eternal security of every believer in our Lord Jesus Christ.
May 30, 2016
 Thank you!
by: Aaron S.

I am currently struggling with my homosexuality. I am very confused and scared. I still want to trust in the lord, and go to heaven instead of being in hell for the rest of eternity, but I think that this article literally saved my life, because I didn't want to be someone who I am not.

Gay people are actually very smart also, they can still be themselves and help children in adoption centers. They are helping these children to become successful citizens, without doing it by themselves.

I was so scared, and I was literally about to change my sexuality because I didn't want to go to hell, thank you so much for doing this, because without this, I would have never changed who I really am.

Rick's comment: Hi Aaron - God knows you are gay and He LOVES you dearly and intends to bless you as a gay man who loves Jesus and walks by faith as a modern day disciple of Jesus.

I hope you will keep exploring the fascinating rock solid FREE Bible studies we offer to help you grow in the Lord.

How to know FOR SURE you are saved.
Jun 22, 2016
 ignorant ppl
by: gsjfh

again u guys are making excuses ..why ur trying to justify what ur doing and above all of that comparing it with holy and religious things this is disgusting just do what ur doing and god will burn u all in hell for what u have done in this earth for the filth that u have caused on earth.

Rick's comment: LOL - Another Anonymous low-information christian who thinks WE are going to burn in Hell because we disagree with HIM and his unstudied views about the Bible, LOL.

Here is my FREE Bible Study as a gift to you.

Jesus Teaches Hell 101
Jun 22, 2016
 In need of guidance
by: Anonymous

I'm fairly certain I am gay and I am fully accepting of God, love him and embrace the presence of his goodness but I'm scared to think of what my sexuality means for my Christianity.

I pray, read the bible and go out and practice discipleship but I'm conflicted by what God thinks of me and am concerned about his plans for me.

I have asked God through prayer but to no avail - have not obtained an answer. I've seen him work wonders in my life and so assume that he is accepting of who I am but I still am uncertain of where I stand in direct correlation of sexuality and Christianity.

I'm so scared that God is constantly forgiving me for being gay and I don't want to keep letting him down but I feel, this is who I am. Is God testing my true faith or is this God's plan for me?

Rick's comment: Hi Anonymous - God has good news and peace of mind for us when we believe what He says in the Bible. The most important question to answer right now is:

Am I sure I am saved?

Many gays are cultural Christians instead of born again Christians. They grew up in church or they are religious or they are spiritual. They try to do the right thing but they've never personally received Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin.

Why do so many young people quit church?


The best preparation for being a disciple of Jesus is to know for sure you are saved. Everyone needs to be saved from sin and hell and the wrath of God. Here is what Jesus taught about hell and God's wrath.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

What is the wrath of God?


Getting saved and becoming a disciple of Jesus means not trusting your good works, confirmation, baptism, sacraments, being a cultural Christian or grace allegedly infused through a church, instead, trusting by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone to save you.

What must I do to be saved?


Once you know for sure you are saved, it helps to understand what happened when you got saved.

What happens when you get saved?


Once you understand what happened when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal?

Am I saved for all eternity?


God has answers and peace of mind for you Anonymous. Once you make sure you are saved, this website has lots of helpful information from the Bible which shows that God loves you as a gay person and intends to bless you in His service.

Click on the NavBar links and and explore the wonders of God's amazing grace.
Jul 07, 2016
 Homosexuals will go to hell- stop SUGAR COATING
by: messenger of God

First of all, the Holy Bible states clearly that homosexuals WILL go to hell. why is this so hard to understand for many of you... GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!! IN JESUS CHRIST NAME, AMEN!

Rick's comment: I'd have some respect for you if you would man up and use your real name when you insult us. I edited most of your comment because it was just ranting with some out of context verses thrown in.

A real messenger of God would have enough courage to put his real name with his condemning rant.
Aug 22, 2016
 It is extremely outrageous !!!
by: Peter

Have you ever seen a bull sleeping with another bull, have you ever seen a cow wanting sex from another cow? If you answered NO then why on earth will you a human act like a lesser being than even animals. In this case even animals are more sane than a human who wants sex from same gender.

God will surely soon punish you guys and especially those trying to twist God's word just like the way Satan twisted the word when lying Eve and brought sin to the world. You will only get to heaven when you Repent and turn away from the insanity in the form of homosexual. It is a decease worse than cancer. - Peter, Washington DC

Rick's comment: Hi Peter - Three brief points.

1. It is not twisting scripture when we disagree with you on the gay issue. A wise man would memorize this point.

2. God does not punish your brothers and sisters in Christ for disagreeing with you on the gay issue.

3. That you think otherwise is extremely outrageous.
Oct 14, 2016
 I feel sad for gays
by: Alex

I feel sad for gays because of what anti-gay people say to them. I get angry at anti-gay people. I need help understanding more of the Bible and not listen to anti-gay false preachers or prophets.

Rick's comment: Hi Alex - God bless you. I hope you will read through this website, which has the best information online defending gays and lesbians.

We also have lots of FREE online Bible studies - click the links on our Home Page and our Free Stuff page on the NavBar. You are blessed and God loves you with an everlasting love.
Oct 17, 2016
 Still sad about it and hate anti-gays
by: Alex

I still feel sad about it, it's because of homophobes living on this earth. I hate homophobes. They are the most pathetic cold hearted bastards living on this planet. Who put homophobes on this earth anyways? I get sick of false prophets and anti-religious people saying that "homosexuals will go to hell." Those are very cold hearted bastards should be abolished here. Homophobes shouldn't be on this website.

Those homophobes should feel so so sorry of all the lives they caused. One day, they are going to pay for what they done. Anti-gays are bullies that use Jesus and the Bible to hurt others. I get because of them. I'm sorry for my anger, but I'm trying to express myself. I just feel sad about it still. People use similar verses on the bible to hurt others. I just need help.

Rick's comment: Hi Alex - God wants to exchange your sadness for His gladness.

Our wonderful Lord Jesus has good news and peace of mind for us when we believe what He says in the Bible. The most important question to answer right now is:

Am I sure I am saved?

Many gays are cultural Christians instead of born again Christians. They grew up in church or they are religious or they are spiritual. They try to do the right thing but they've never personally received Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin.

Why do so many young people quit church?


The best preparation for being a disciple of Jesus is to know for sure you are saved. Everyone needs to be saved from sin and hell and the wrath of God. Here is what Jesus taught about hell and God's wrath.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

What is the wrath of God?


Getting saved and becoming a disciple of Jesus means not trusting your good works, confirmation, baptism, sacraments, being a cultural Christian or grace allegedly infused through a church, instead, trusting by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone to save you.

What must I do to be saved?


Once you know for sure you are saved, it helps to understand what happened when you got saved.

What happens when you get saved?


Once you understand what happened when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal?

Am I saved for all eternity?


God has answers and peace of mind for you Alex. Please click on the links, read the information and trust Jesus as your Savior. You'll be glad you did.

And please let me know how things are going for you.
Nov 06, 2016
 Self rationalization at its deadliest
by: David

The article is so wrong I don't know where to start. "It does say ALL homosexuals" Right. It just says homosexuals. And murders. And sorcerers, etc etc.

"Dog does mean homosexual it means a certain very specific type of homosexual in a specific time and place in a specific temple for a specific god.

From what I can see Dog means male prostitute. Wages a dog. Male prostitute.

"All who turn to Jesus are forgiven and saved"

Yes if you REPENT and make an effort to change and fight your sin. You cannot willfully continue in this abhorrent sinful lifestyle and expect to be saved by mere virtue of association. It doesn't make sense.

Rick's comment: Hi David - I encourage you to reread the article several more times and read some of my answers to comments near your comment.

My article points out commonly known truths. I haven't made things up. That being the case, you may want to consider that you need to do more reading and study before concluding that I am wrong. Truth is worth pursuing.
Nov 14, 2016
 All Gays will go to Hell
by: Scott

If God says it in the Bible, (he does) then yeah the Bible CLEARLY says this about Gays! It IS an abomination and we are not to support anything that they stand for or represent as Christians, same goes for Atheist.

You lost souls can say and do what you want, and hate me for voicing it but in the end it won't matter, and your souls will be cast into Hell you are all insane if you truly believe that God made you that way at birth...

It's been proven that bad parenting and parents not being in the picture and sexual abuse of some sort is some of the main reasons that bring on or triggers these lifestyles for many throughout life, that's also been proven, and the fact that just because something feels good to you regardless of what is said about it in the Bible you choose to knowingly live that way anyway,

Rick's comment: Hi Scott - LOL - It's been proven? Really - What peer reviewed study says that?

and then makes YOU, the Gay, Sickening, Filth of the Community, a Blasephemist, Evil, Beast of Satans work.

I don't care how "SWEET" you act and girls or guys think you are. Just because it's been forced on us to accept your sick ways doesn't mean that God must approve it as well you people have a messed up way of looking at our Heavenly Father if you think he's just going to let this go and eventually support all of you sick individuals.

Rick's comment: Thank you Scott for demonstrating once again the Brentlinger axiom:

The more vitriolic the comment, the less the commenter knows about the Bible.
Nov 14, 2016
 homos
by: Bill hill

Don't common sense itself tell you this is sin. If you are a practicing homosexual, you cannot go to Heaven if you die without asking God to forgive you. You cannot be saved from sin and still committing intentiional sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Bill - It is shocking how little some of you know about the biblical doctrine of salvation.
Nov 14, 2016
 Why can't everyone be as accepting
by: A person

I want to know why can't people be as accepting to homosexuals, bisexuals, etc. I personally believe people should be level headed and accept everyone. Accept them for having different religion, sexual preference, race etc.

I love religious people who accepts everyone for who they are as a human being. I personally am not christian but I do believe their is a unexplained force. I cannot confirm that force as god however.

Back on track, why can some people accept people who aren't straight while others refuse to do so. Before I even knew I wasn't straight I supported them. Why can't others be this loving to everyone?

Wasn't their a quote that says love one another like you would to yourself? Again not religious don't know for sure. But shouldn't that quote not discriminate the LGBTQ+ community? Thank you for any answer that is not a close minded response.

Rick's comment: Hi A person - God does not accept all religions. In fact, John 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Jesus wasn't shy about telling folks He is the ONLY way to heaven. Any other way, any other religion is a false way. Jesus loves gays and lesbians and He died on the cross for our sins so that we can get saved.

Would you like to know the love of God and have peace in your heart, knowing that your sins are forgiven?

God has good news and peace of mind for us when we believe what He says in the Bible. The most important question to answer right now is:

Am I sure I am saved?

Many gays are cultural Christians instead of born again Christians. They grew up in church or they are religious or they are spiritual. They try to do the right thing but they've never personally received Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin.

Why do so many young people quit church?


The best preparation for being a disciple of Jesus is to know for sure you are saved. Everyone needs to be saved from sin and hell and the wrath of God. Here is what Jesus taught about hell and God's wrath.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

What is the wrath of God?


Getting saved and becoming a disciple of Jesus means not trusting your good works, confirmation, baptism, sacraments, being a cultural Christian or grace allegedly infused through a church, instead, trusting by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone to save you.

What must I do to be saved?


Once you know for sure you are saved, it helps to understand what happened when you got saved.

What happens when you get saved?


Once you understand what happened when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal?

Am I saved for all eternity?
Jan 23, 2017
 Thank you!!
by: Kobe (Trans)

I'm transgender and I've been worried sick and really sad because I believed I had to choose between faith and my happiness. I'm a Christian and I truly believe in Jesus. Now I know I am saved and will go to Heaven because I believe in Jesus. Thank you, I can relax a little now I know that God loves me, I love being a Christian! Jesus is truly awesome. Thanks again! -Kobe


Rick's comment: Hi Kobe - Thanks for commenting. I am SO happy we've been a blessing to you! God loves YOU with an everlasting love and He does intend to bless you as a genuine disciple of Jesus.

Check on the NavBar under FREE STuff - we have lots of Bible Studies you can download and use to help you grow spiritually. You CAN learn the Bible and you can be your beautiful transgender self and serve Jesus joyfully! God bless you Kobe!
Mar 11, 2017
 The Bibles does say
by: M.A

Gods living word does say for sure, they will not enter God's kingdom. So where do you think they'll go otherwise?

Rick's comment: Hi M.A. - When Paul wrote 1 Cor 6:9, he did not use a word which means gay or homosexual. The word he used, arsenokoitai, means shrine prostitute or rapist. Only in the last 70 years or so did Bible translators start putting the word homosexual in the Bible.

They are wrong to do so because that is a grievous sin against your gay brothers and lesbian sisters in Christ.

What does arsenokoitai mean in 1 Cor 6:9?
Apr 10, 2017
 CAN'T USE THE GREEK WORD FOR "DOG"
by: Joseph

You guys are twisting the Word to accommodate your fleshly faith. You are using a Greek word for "dog" for the Deut verse but you are supposed to use the Hebrew word since it is OT. See? You guys are manipulating ideas to accommodate your ideas. Then you say "kyon" in the NT is the same notion as the paganism in the OT Deut verses. It isn't. Gay prostitution, whether at an alter of idols, or gay sex such as the example of Sodom and Gomorrah, is sin. 90% of Homosexuals were sexually abused as children. Get more serious with God and He can heal you and change your mind, but if you keep bringing the Word down to your fleshly, lustful level of lukewarm faith, you will never see any miracles let alone heaven.

Rick's comment: Hi Joseph - I believe you have missed the point. I don't say that the Greek word for dog, kyon, is found in Deuteronomy. I point out that the word translated dog in Deu 23:18 carries the meaning of shrine prostitute. When John uses the Greek word for dogs, kyon, in Revelation 22:15, he is not talking about German Shepherds and poodles. He is referring to shrine prostitutes.

I deleted your goofy rant against gays. Keep studying because truth is available to everyone with an honest heart.
Apr 28, 2017
 Same sex is immoral sex
by: Michael Reap

Romans chapter 3. Read it and realize homosexual acts are sin and will cost you eternal life.

Rick's comment: Hi Michael - In case you don't know, ignorance is NOT the fruit of the Holy Spirit. It is pretty obvious you don't know much about the Bible - the chapter you intended to reference is Romans 1.

If you are searching for truth, I have lots of truth on my Romans 1 page.
Jun 22, 2017
 It does say!
by: Daniel

Check the kjv before abusers of themselves.. Effeminate google the definition. Men acting as girls.. Sounds gay to me man u cant twist Gods word for to tickle ppl ears.

Rick's comment: Hi Daniel - I encourage you to study the Bible before you decide you know what it says and what it means. Malakoi never means gay in the King James Bible.
Aug 02, 2017
 Not to judge
by: Mike

Hi, I have no idea with 100% accuracy of what the bible says I think a lot of factors need to be looked at, the translation and perhaps the skewing of the translation by personal beliefs (either way) I am fairly sure of the biblical verses that say its not up to us to judge what others do and I believe that God wants to have a personal relationship with each of us just as any loving father would do with a gay or straight child.

I am 100% sure that the author of this article and responder's to most of these comments are completely hate filled and biased to what they WANT to believe throwing insults and calling names is wrong and 2 wrongs still don't make a right.


Rick's comment: Hi Mike - You do not possess Indubitability - the ability to be 100% sure of something. Only God possesses Indubitability.

Indubitability - Can I be 100% sure?

Does your statement that I am, completely hate-filled and biased, fall into the category of throwing insults and calling names?

we could debate this forever but no matter how we feel about it personally its up to God not any man (gay or not) better to teach love of your fellow human and let the author of this life make it clear to each of us personally. Lastly God will have his way no matter what we think!

Rick's comment:

Are Christians supposed to judge?

What must I do to be saved?
Aug 02, 2017
 No such thing as a gay christian
by: Grayfox

Lev 20 says that mankind that lie with mankind as womankind is an abomination an should be put to DEATH the muslin shave that right the kill you if your gay that's why God destoried Solem and Gormara because of gays and he will destroy America with fire the same way the great whore of Babylon. She stands proud with a crown on her head saying come all to the most sinful perverted place on earth God bless America NO may God have mercy on her.

Rick's comment: Hi Grayfox - Shrine prostitutes in Leviticus - That's what Moses was talking about - not gays.
Sep 30, 2017
 no. just no.
by: heidi

dont listen to these people ladies and gents. god is a loving god and accepts everyone. they say.."gay people are mistakes" NEWSFLAH: god doesnt make mistakes! being gay,bi,pan, its not a choice!! and these people are to ignorant to realize it. god loves you. god accepts you. if jesus was here today...he would be at every pride march. god is freakin awesome. and if those "christians" are not with the time, (btw its the 21st century)... then they need some serious reality checking.

if got hates me... let him strike me with lightning right now.
.... well i guess that settles that.

Rick's comment: Hi Heidi - Yes, just yes! With all due respect, being flippant is not the way to deal with the reality that you are headed for eternal hell if you don't get saved.

You really really need to get saved ASAP from sin and hell and the wrath of God. Your only hope is to trust the Lord Jesus Christ to save you because He already showed His love for you by dying on Calvary's cross in your place.

You deserved the punishment Jesus endured but because Jesus loves you, He took your place, as your substitute, bearing the wrath of God against your sins and appeasing God's wrath.

They buried Jesus in a borrowed tomb and on the third day, Jesus rose from the dead, proving that God accepted the payment He made for your sins.

Now the question is: If Jesus' payment for your sins satisfied God, why doesn't it satisfy you?

If you will be satisfied with Jesus' payment for your sins and receive Jesus as your Savior from sin and hell and the wrath of God, He will save you, forgive ALL your sins, give you amazing peace in your heart, give you His righteousness as a free gift and guarantee you a place in heaven when you die.

This link explains it in more detail.

What must I do to be saved?

Heidi, please let us know when you've trusted Jesus and experienced complete forgiveness of all your sins and the peace of God which passes all understanding.
Nov 15, 2017
 Why do you call me Lord?
by: 1

Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?"

John 8:11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more."

You cannot continue to live that way and enter heaven.

Rick's comment: Hello 1 - I know why you don't want to use your real name. Low information Christians are often reluctant to use their real name when they ignore what the Bible says in context and want us to accept their opinion as truth.

This website is leading many straight to hell.

If my comment doesn't make it to the board I will know why. Because the truth hurts and many prefer to believe a lie.
Nov 15, 2017
 Not choosing sides
by: Matt J.

While I am not choosing sides, I've just been wondering, you never mentioned Leviticus 18:22 in which it literally says not to have sex with people of the same gender.

Rick's comment: Hi Matt J - I have an extensive section on Lev 18:22 and 20:13 with lots of links to additional information.
Nov 20, 2017
 A misreading for those who are perishing
by: John Johnson

Hi there
You can misquote Scripture all you like. Inclusion without repentance will end up in the fires of hell. What I am saying is that if an Homosexual person repents of his sin and believes in the Name of Jesus, then he or she will be saved. If not, they certainly will end up in hell.
For instance, the woman caught in adultery records Jesus saying to her 'Go and sin no more.' Not carry on committing adultery!

If you want to be reminded about God's Wrath on mankind, read Paul's Epistle to the Romans Chapter 1 Verse 18 ff. Ho yes. God is a God of love but He is also a God of justice as well.

Take care. John Johnson

Rick's comment: Hi John - I have an extensive section on Romans 1 including a 90 page verse by verse commentary plus lots of links to additional information.

You are getting it dreadfully wrong when you (1) assert that Romans 1:18ff. is about being gay and (2) when you compare being gay with committing adultery.
Dec 24, 2017
 this is really helpful
by: anonymous bisexual female

so, im around 17 and im bisexual and still in the closet around my family, but this is slowly helping me build up courage to come out. but i am still very worried of the outcome, my family is very homophobic, and im scared that if i come out, they'll cut all my contact with my girlfriend, who they only think is my "best friend".

i probably will wait till i move out to come out, but it is still worrying that i may be disowned. i really want to go to heaven and be with god, jesus, whatever you wanna say is in heaven. but i still really love my girlfriend and dont want to have to dump her. im really conflicted right now.

Rick's comment: Hi abf - Please read these two pages and place your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior from sin, hell and the wrath of God. You'll be glad you did.

What must I do to be saved?

How do I go about getting saved?
Feb 11, 2018
 EFFEMINATE vs GAY
by: Truthprevail

YOU DO REALIZE that in the translation that YOU quoted just PRIOR to that critical 'homosexual' word, theres that word 'EFFEMINATE'.?

That word with the following phrase (whichever way you want to twist it) makes it very clear what the position of Scripture is with regards to homosexuality.

Effeminate and perversion of themselves...MEANS HOMOSEXUALS. You simply cannot argue yourselves out of that.

BUT...that said. God DOES want to save your souls. I do NOT agree that anybody should push anybody else out just because of their sexual differences. And I also do NOT agree that a Christian should condemn another. The foundation of it all is LOVE. But we need to get our basics right first. Homosexuality is wrong.

But I do not judge you. So are fornicators and adulterers. Based on that verse, all of us are going to hell. Not just you.

The way forward for gays/homosexuals the way I see it, is for everyone to practise self-control. I do not know how far each of us can go. But let not our hearts be far from God. I believe He will provide the answers, if we provide our hands.

Rick's comment: You are confused in your beliefs, especially about the meaning of 1 Corinthians 6:9.

What must I do to be saved?
Apr 17, 2018
 Guys
by: Richard

I AM not guy but I think the guys can't go to hell if they repaint because GOD made the guy to why? I don't know why GOD made fat people why not everyone the same I don't know but one thing I know trust in Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness tell GOD the u sorry because u can't help being guy or other John 3:16-19 Romans 10-9
Apr 26, 2018
 Will partial truth get you to heaven?
by: Scott

I don't think you can build a case either direction based on a couple verses translated incorrectly or not. Theology and sound doctrine can be obtained only if you read the entire New & Old Testaments. I would venture to say that most who write here have never truly read God's Word cover to cover. Yet they will form pretty dogmatic opinions.
Jun 02, 2018
 Thank you
by: Grace

I'm no church goer, but my family does believe in God. I've just come out and told my family I'm bisexual, and they loved me anyway! I've heard the stories though I've listened to the song "Take Me To Church" so I was scared that I'll never go to heaven, but after reading this.
Whomever wrote this, thank you.

Rick's comment: Hi Grace - You're welcome. I'm glad we've been helpful to you. Here is more helpful information to help you know for sure that you are saved AND to help your friends know for sure they are saved.

What must I do to be saved?
Jul 28, 2018
 Read this please
by: Bible Man

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/arsenokoitai.html

Rick's comment: Hi Bible Man - I've never understood why you anti-gay guys are:

1. Averse to in depth Bible study, and

2. Afraid to put your real name with your anti-gay views.

If you are interested in truth, for your edification, please read these two links which go into a lot more detail about the meaning of arsenokoitai, than the page you referenced.

Define Arsenokoites

The truth about arsenokoites
Sep 22, 2018
 LIAR!!!
by: Les

You liar! The Bible repeatedly calls you sodomites abominations & reprobates. Plus, the NIV Bible isn't the only version that refers to sodomites as reprobate abominations. The KJV 1611 Bible, which is the true version of the Bible, states repeatedly in both Old & New Testaments that sodomites are reprobate abominations worthy of death.

Rick's comment: Hi Les - If you don't mind me quoting Jesus: "But go ye and learn what that meaneth..." Matthew 9:13.

In the old King James Bible, the terms, sodomite and sodomites, never mean gay or lesbian or homosexual. Truth is available if your heart is open to God's truth.

https://www.gaychristian101.com/sodomites.html
Oct 13, 2018
 You
by: Ryan

You are dead wrong. The Bible clearly states time and again that homosexuality is an abomination and a sin, and also that if we freely sin we will go to hell, because that means we are Not making Jesus our savior and avoiding evil.

Rick's comment: Hi Ryan - No, the Bible states time and again that shrine prostitutes are an abomination.

Using the English word, homosexual, in the Bible is a weird phenomenon that began around 1948.

Some of the new Bible versions use the word homosexual but they are wrong to do so.

That being the case, you'd be well advised to get an old fashioned King James Bible (don't get the New King James though) and start reading it.
Nov 14, 2018
 thoughts on homosexuality
by: KL

why do Christians hate homosexuals? isn't that breaking the commandment, love your neighbor as yourself? also, I think that I may be bi. Christianity makes me sick because of the followers who look down on LGBT people and not themselves. plus their hypocrisy.

Rick's comment: Hi KL - Thanks for your comment. I encourage you to not allow some anti-gay Christians to kill your joy in Jesus.

God has a lot of wonderful blessings for you and some tough challenges which He will help you face if you're willing to be a disciple of Jesus.

What must I do to be saved?

The Christian life is not a walk in the park. It can be extremely challenging and difficult but remember, Jesus and the Holy Spirit will be your companions on the road of discipleship.

Don't let anyone anywhere make you miss out on the adventure of faith!
Dec 26, 2018
 Question - about Bible versions
by: KL

what bible should i get? I have the new american bible, but I am not sure it is 100% correct. should I get the Old King James Bible instead? thx

Rick's comment: Hi KL - Thanks for the good question. Yes, the old King James Bible is the best! Here's why.

Which Bible?

Which Bible translation is gay and transgender friendly?

Bible version comparison

What must I do to be saved?
Mar 23, 2019
 God said, Be holy
by: John Cassar

Yes, your right, God loves all. But he's also the God of justice. We are all sinners but the message is: Our Lord said that God made man and women to be together.

When the women was brought to our Lord for adultery he said: neither do I condemn you but leave your sin.

We all have feelings but they get us in trouble if we don't control them.

It's in the act both for straight people and gay people, for God said: be holy for I am holy.

Regards, John

Rick's comment: Hi John- I hope you will keep reading and studying your Bible and this website. The Holy Spirit has much to teach you.

What must I do to be saved?
May 03, 2019
 ???
by: Firma ment

the Bible calls to be holy. What happen to the men who wanted to have sex with the men in the house? what did the person say to them when he open the door?

What city did God burn to the ground do to the sexual immorality like Sex prior to marriage,homosexuality, self pleasure etc? Revelation 21:8 says nkj

But the fearful, and unbelievers, and the abominable, and murders, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Rick's comment: Hi Firma ment - This link answers your question - about Genesis 19. You'll need to look up Genesis chapter 19 and read it.

What must I do to be saved?
May 11, 2019
 Yes, Gays go to hell.
by: Michael Sogood

Gays should be ashamed of themselves. You have to quit being gay and ask Jesus for forgiveness. Sex is not there for fun... only to make babies. I know for a fact gays go to hell. Don't let yourself believe in the lies and push it away. Being gay is a sickness.

Rick's comment: Hi Michael Sogood - It's time to stop being a low information religionist.

Truth is available if you are willing to walk away from your false, religious, presuppositions and believe what the Bible says, in context.

What must I do to be saved?
May 13, 2019
 People like you ruin church
by: Douglas

Rick's comment: I think the following comment is aimed at Michael Sogood.

What must I do to be saved?

This exactly why i left church my brother is gay and I get sick and tired of churches saying he is going to hell. Plus no offense sir you are clearly racist there is no point in the bible that says gays are going to hell. I sick of these religious types who say this it is wrong and amoral. It says in the bible as long as you believe in Jesus and you believe he is our lord and savior you will be saved what spews out of your dirty mouth is blaspheme and those who say this will go to hell because these people are the non believers god spoke of. Sorry to be a rude person but it is the cold hard truth either stop your racist remarks or you will end up there. blaspheme like that everywhere they go will make you be thrown in the pit.
Jun 25, 2019
 HELP
by: Gay is idk anymore

I just need to know if a gay person like myself will burn in hell forever or not?

Rick's comment: Hi Gay is idk - No gay goes to hell for being gay. People go to hell because they rejected Jesus as their Savior, from sin, hell and the wrath of God.

Jesus is the only hope of anyone, whether gay or straight. The link below explains how to know for sure you're going to heaven.

Please let me know when you have read the link below and believed on Jesus Christ as your Savior.

You are loved by Jesus and He will save you when you call upon Him.

What must I do to be saved?
Jun 29, 2019
 Sorry but you're way wrong and it's sad because it's so easy to find
by: Ken Standridge

You claim that Arsenokoitai means something it clearly does not. An easy search of Greek definition paints very clearly what the word means and why Paul ised it in only a couple spots in the whole Bible.

First- Arsen means man. Koite or Koitas or Koitai means Bed. The word in Greek clearly means Men who bed with other men. Paul coined the word from Leviticus 18 and 20. Let's quit deceiving people and claiming something to be ok that the Bible clearly says isn't.

Then you try to blame it on poor translation when really it was just translated using a word that has been common to describe homosexuals for years. Even more sad is you're teaching people a false teaching and they grab it because it makes them feel justified in their sin. You will have to answer for that.

I love everyone just as Christ told us to but I can't stand or make excuses for people just because I love them. I pray that your eyes will be opened and you would quit misleading people.

And to the people. Quit listening to pastors just because they say something is true. It will take you 3 min to find out what the Greek translation is for this word and it's not just the NIV that says homosexuals. Even the New King James says it. That's because that's what the word means. We will not and can not change the word of God to make a sinner feel better about sinning. Period. Love in Christ.

Rick's comment: Hi Ken - Any competent Greek scholar understands that the meaning of a word is based on its usage, not its etymology. For example:

Etymology does not determine meaning.

"The etymological fallacy is to assume that the origin of a word is its true meaning. No, the true meaning of a word is its current usage." - Dr. Robert J. Cara, Chief Academic Officer and Professor of New Testament, Reformed Theological Seminary

"Usage determines the meaning of words" - James L. Boyer, "Semantics in Biblical Interpretation," Grace Journal, Vol. 3, No. 2, Spring 1962.

"The meaning of a word depends on its usage, not on its derivation" - "Biblical Exegesis and Hermeneutics," Encyclopedia Britannica, Macropaedia (1974), Vol. 7, p. 61.

"Usage determines the meaning of words" - Rollin T. Chafer, The Science of Biblical Hermeneutics (Dallas, TX: Bibliotheca Sacra, n.d.), p. 28.

"As already stated, often the etymology of a word does not help determine its meaning. Therefore we need to determine its current established usage by the writer. This practice is called uses loquendi (literally, the use by the one speaking).

In other words what was the customary meaning of the word when the writer used it? How he used the word in context often helps determine its meaning." - Roy B. Zuck, Donald Campbell, Basic Bible Interpretation: A Practical Guide to Discovering Biblical Truth, p. 103.

Remember, it is intellectually dishonest to give words like arsenokoites a linguistic significance and meaning which the biblical word itself did not possess in actual historical usage.

There is not a shred of objective evidence that Paul used arsenokoites to mean homosexual.

What does arsenokoites mean?
Jun 30, 2019
 You are wrong but you still can repent
by: Isaac

It is sad that you have read the bible and the still think that homosexuality is not a sin. You are a real sinner. Most gays don't know about Christ but you know about, and you would still be willing to crucify him. Shame on you.

I totally and unequivocally disagree with what you said. But all hope is not lost, you still have a chance to repent and be saved and don't try to tell me that you are already saved and that you don't agree cause you may think you know about God but you don't personally know him.

You don't have a personal relation with Christ. Repent and ask him to be involved in your life and then you will clearly see and understand what I am trying to say.

Rick's comment: Hi Isaac - You sound like a young Christian who hasn't done much Bible study yet. So, when I disagree with you on the gay issue, you assume that,

since I disagree with you, I must not be saved.

As you grow in grace and knowledge of God and the Bible, I believe you will grow out of that way of viewing things. God bless you Isaac.

What must I do to be saved?
Jul 12, 2019
 God And Jesus
by: Anonymous

God and Jesus should be the ones to burn in hell.

Rick's comment: Hi Anonymous Atheist - I wish I could help heal the hurt in your heart. Jesus is the answer to your hurt and your healing, if you will believe on Him as your Savior.

Did you know that Jesus did go to hell for you?

"He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." Acts 2:31, quoting part of Psalm 16:1-11.

What must I do to be saved?
Dec 21, 2019
 No it does not and it is wrong to state this
by: John

There is no where in the bible that says that. Now if you have intimacy before marriage or sex with multiple people yes but this lying garbage is exactly what makes me angry at Christians it is wrong to chastise a person just because they are different or have different views about relationships.

As Jesus says do not judge unless you want to be judged. It is wrong to say they are going to hell. it is God's choice not ours who is or is not. I apologize for the rude statement but it angers me to hear Christians says this. It disgust me to think we believe this blasphemy.

Rick's comment: Hi John - The Bible and Jesus make it clear that people who reject Jesus Christ as their Savior, are the ones going to hell.

Jesus teaches Hell 101
May 12, 2020
 Thank You!!!
by: SBK

I'm bisexual, and I've struggled with accepting this part of me for so long now. I was raised in a very old-fashioned Southern Baptist church, so there's a fear ingrained in my mind that I'm going to go to hell. It makes it hard to sleep at night sometimes.

Your article has a lot of sources, though, and a lot of evidence to back up your argument. Thank you so much for doing this research and making this article!!

Rick's comment: Hi SBK - You're welcome.

Once you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get 1. saved, you have 2. eternal security because, as a saved soul, you are 3. Justified by faith.
Jul 12, 2020
 Thank you
by: Id Rather Not Say..

Reading this made me feel so much more at ease. Knowing that loving a gender verses not won't send me to hell, or make me an awful sinner. It really is a terrifying thought.

Before I was just trying to convince myself that it was the lustful nature and premarital sex that made gays "wrong,' but if you think of it like that, then it still doesn't make sense, sexuality doesn't determine whether someone will do those kinds of acts.

Knowing it was a translation/miscommunication error of sorts is extremely comforting. I truly hope that this is the truth.

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination." that in particular is what really broke me.

I didn't know what to do, I didn't know how to come to terms with the fact that it really could be a sin.
You really just turned my life around sir, Thank you so much, and may God bless you.

Rick's comment:You're welcome.

Be sure that you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get 1. saved.

Once you've done that, you have 2. eternal security in Jesus and can never be lost again.

The reason is, as a saved soul, you are 3. Justified by faith.
Oct 27, 2020
 4) sanctification
by: Sarah

Hey!! Just thought of you today from years ago commenting on this blog post! I sought you out and just wanted to say I admire your gentle responses recently!

I’d love to hear more of your thoughts though with adding to those 3 points as you’ve written above, maybe the 4th point of sanctification! How do you understand that to work?

I wonder if many people condone sinners living in sin because they are determined to say- that’s me- my identity is that I am a glutton. Or that’s just me- I’m a passionate person full of too many things, don’t call them idols, Ha! etc?

The Jesus we know loves us thru those struggles and helps us to become more like Him- He helps us put on the new self as Colossians 3 encourages!
Instead of defending ourselves, how can we defend Christ?

I appreciate the way you seem to do that more and more! Whether you post this or not, I just wanted to encourage you in your faith! Trusting Him with you!

Rick's comment: Hi Sarah- Nice to hear from you again.

I understand biblical sanctification to be a work of grace God does for everyone who gets saved. Just as we are justified by faith at salvation, so we are also sanctified by faith at salvation.

Justified by faith and sanctified by faith represent our standing in Christ. Our actual state is often different than our standing in Christ because of our flesh.

All of us still struggle with sin and will struggle until the day we die or get raptured home to heaven.

When we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, our soul got saved and our spirit got born again but nothing happened to our flesh. For that reason, we struggle with sin, even though we have put on the new man.

The indwelling Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit help us live for Jesus, help us walk in the Spirit so that we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and help us grow into the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ, over the course of our life.

I go into a great deal of detail about this in my verse by verse Romans commentary. Chapters 1 - 11 are available FREE on the Home Page of my website, FREE Romans Commentary
Jan 24, 2021
 According to Hell Is Real Official page on Facebook?
by: Carlo Fernandez...

According to Hell Is Real Official page on Facebook, homosexuality may be a sin and gays would go to hell...

NO!

Not all gays go to hell and it's not a sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Carlo- The most important thing is, What does Jesus say about hell?

Here is what Jesus says about hell.

Jesus teaches Hell 101
Mar 25, 2021
 LGBTQ+ and the Catholic Church
by: Chris

I know that I'm late and I'm aware that many people won't react to this post.
However, I have a reason to tell my opinion about that.
I'm Chris, I indentify as an Asexual male. I never changed my biological gender and I'm a Catholic.

I believe that Every Homosexual, Bisexual, Polysexual, Pansexual, Transgender, etc. can go to Heaven if they believe in God, accept Christ's teaching and ask for forgiveness.

Homosexuality, in my opinion, is not a Sin. The Leviticus is yet to be understandable, because it is unclear for me what exactly happened in there, in the Old Testament.

Even Pope Francis himself said that Homosexual tendencies are not a sin and I 100% agree with him. He's an amazing person, by the way.

God bless you all.

Rick's comment:Hi Chris- Thanks for your comment! Be sure that you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and get 1. saved.

Everyone needs to get saved - Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Mormons, Buddhists, Muslims - and Jesus is the only way of salvation, John 14:6.

Once you've believed on Jesus as your risen Savior from sin, hell and the wrath of God, you have 2. eternal security in Jesus and can never be unsaved again.

The reason is, as a saved soul, you are 3. Justified by faith.

That is the glorious good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
May 01, 2021
 You are wrong
by: Tom

Arsenkoitai. The etymology is obvious. The similarity between coitus and kotai is also no accident.

But, that aside, the King James Version also condemns such behavior. They spoke more euphemistically in King James' time, but the meaning is clear (self abusers with other men) to all but those who desperately want it to mean something other than it actually does.

Now I believe that stopping sinful behavior coupled with genuine repentance does not mean a sinner will go to hell. But continuance of that behavior along with denial that it is even a sin will.

If I constantly stole from people, refused to stop stealing, even denied that taking other people's stuff without permission is a sin would I go to heaven?

Rick's comment: Hi Tom- There is a wealth of information on this website which contradicts your logic. For example:

Contrary to your belief, Etymology does not determine the meaning of biblical words.

"The etymological fallacy is to assume that the origin of a word is its true meaning. No, the true meaning of a word is its current usage." - Dr. Robert J. Cara, Chief Academic Officer and Professor of New Testament, Reformed Theological Seminary

"Usage determines the meaning of words" - James L. Boyer, "Semantics in Biblical Interpretation," Grace Journal, Vol. 3, No. 2, Spring 1962.

"The meaning of a word depends on its usage, not on its derivation" - "Biblical Exegesis and Hermeneutics," Encyclopedia Britannica, Macropaedia (1974), Vol. 7, p. 61.

"Usage determines the meaning of words" - Rollin T. Chafer, The Science of Biblical Hermeneutics (Dallas, TX: Bibliotheca Sacra, n.d.), p. 28.

"As already stated, often the etymology of a word does not help determine its meaning. Therefore we need to determine its current established usage by the writer.

This practice is called uses loquendi (literally, the use by the one speaking).

In other words what was the customary meaning of the word when the writer used it? How he used the word in context often helps determine its meaning."

- Roy B. Zuck, Donald Campbell, Basic Bible Interpretation: A Practical Guide to Discovering Biblical Truth, p. 103.

I encourage you not to stop the thought process where you currently are.

Keep searching for truth and you will find it.
Aug 06, 2021
 The Bible says “repent”
by: Stacie

I agree with your statements until your second to last paragraph. It is not just Christian "opinion" that a saved gay or lesbian person should change their ways it actually IS in the bible, although you say it’s not.

Rick's comment:Hi Stacie- Thanks for commenting. If that was actually in the Bible, if the Bible actually said that, you would quote the verse(s).

But that isn't in the Bible, which is why you don't quote any verse(s) which, in context, say that.

When you accept Jesus, ask to be saved, to be forgiven if sins, God tells us to "repent" which basically means to turn from those sins and do the right thing... live the way God tells us. And the Bible says if we love Him, we’ll do it.

We can’t just live how we want and use His promise like a get outta jail free card. It doesn’t work like that. We have to do the best we can. And I say this as a sinner.

I’ve screwed up repeatedly... which sin is worse- being Gay or being divorced 4 times? That’s not up to me. But we can both be saved.

God says we both need to repent. I know better now though so I’m trying hard to do better - it’s not my job to judge ANYONE and I wish everyone Gods blessings.

Rick's comment: The biblical word, repent, does not mean, turn from your sin. Repent means, to change your mind.

What does it mean to repent?
Feb 09, 2022
 U are confused
by: Elvis

Leviticus 18:22 man should not lay with man as woman it is abomination

Genesis 19 the destruction of sodoma and gomorrah for practicing homosexuality .

Jesus and God love gays but hate their sin. As he told the prostitute Mary magdalene repent, go and sin no more. Jesus will save a gay person if he or she repents and stops committing the sin then jesus will save you. As long as you are alive you can repent and be saved.

Recently I just found out my girlfriend of 7 years who I am engaged to to be married has been having a lesbian relationship with her married to a man lesbian supervisor.

I was shocked in disbelief and tears came down my eyes. But I preached to her Leviticus 18:22, Roman's 1:24:32 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 to her and that woman who corrupted her from the truth and transformed her into a lesbian and got her into lesbian orgies.

I have preached to her but if she continues to be with this woman and lesbian orgies I will leave her and leave the evidence in her bed because I will not live a miserable life married to a woman committing abomination.

God considers homosexuality an abomination. You either repent like Mary magdalene and stop this life style or you continue the lifestyle and end up in judgement and hell. Genesis 19

God destroyed sodoma and gomorra because they refused to practice heterosexual sex. Clearly when you see and man and a woman can create life that means that is what God intended for us not same sex desire. But God gave us free will, you choose which life you want.

I feel sorry for my girlfriend, I love her and don't understand why a woman who was never gay all of a sudden meets this supervisor and is turned completely gay and into lesbian orgies.

It got so bad she doesn't even want to have sex with me. But I already been thru this before, I had another ex girlfriend that was a lesbian and I got so mad a throw her out of my house.

My current girlfriend I have not done that because she has my back, treats me well and gives me money and helps me a lot and my family loves her.

So for her I will fight and pray until God makes a miracle and takes her away from that life. I told her I will pray that God takes that woman away from your life , because she is the problem and the reason why our relationship has been affected negatively.

She was shocked because she tries to deny that nothing is going on but I know everything I got messages from her old phone and almost caught her 3 times, is as if God gives me the insight to see into her soul.

I have put so much pressure that she has had to distance herself from that woman. But if she continues to see this woman I will have no choice but to walk away and leave her in abomination.

Rick's comment: Hi Elvis - I am so sorry to hear what you're going through with your girl friend. I pray that she will come back to the Lord and/or, get saved.
Jun 07, 2023
 Rationalization
by: Steve Hammond

The Bible, in both the Old and New Testament is very clear on homosexuality.

In the Old Testament, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are clear that homosexuality is an abomination and that the participants shall be put to death. We do not execute homosexuals in modern society but this can also be construed as SPIRITUAL death.

In the New Testament Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; Jude 1:7 are also clear that it is against nature and the Teachings of Jesus Christ. It is very specific that anyone who practices homosexuality will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

People who call themselves "Christians" yet condone or practice homosexuality are fooling themselves.

They have all kinds of rationalizations for it, "I was born this way" or "you can't help who you love" are more trying convince THEMSELVES that what their behavior is out of that control.

Our behavior, right or wrong, moral or immoral, is completely under our control. Their rationalizations are aimed at trying to tell themselves that their sexually deviant, morally bankrupt behavior is somehow out of their control. Those are thoughts put into their heads by Satan.

Rick's comment: Hi Steve Hammond - Thanks for your comment. I have extensive, honest, in context information about Leviticus 18:22, 20:13 and Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:10; Jude 1:7 on this website.

Please click on some NavBar links and start the adventure of learning God's truth.

If you really believe what you wrote, it is apparent that:

1. you are a young Christian who doesn't know the Bible or,

2. you are a Christian who doesn't study the Bible.

God's truth is available if you want to know God's truth.

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