How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?

Egyptian gay kiss? 2300 BC, <br>from the British Museum

Egyptian gay kiss? 2300 BC,
from the British Museum

Thanks for the great question. The verse that is alleged to say, 'homosexuals will not go to heaven' is 1 Cor 6:9.

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." -1 Cor 6:9, NIV
There are many problems with translating the Greek word, arsenokoitai, as homosexual offenders.

First, the arsenokoit stem was NEVER used in the first century to mean homosexual. To help us define arsenokoites, I've listed on this website the first 56 historical uses of the rare Greek word arsenokoites.

The Thesaurus Linguae Graecae (TLG®), The Greek Language Thesaurus, is a project of the research center at the University of California, Irvine. Founded in 1972 the TLG has collected and digitized most literary texts written in Greek, from Homer in the 8th century BC to the fall of Byzantium in AD 1453.

The truth is, when we collate every extant Greek manuscript available today, the arsenokoit stem only occurs 77 times in 2400 years of Greek history. 46 of those times, it appears in a vice list quotation from 1 Cor 6:9 or 1 Tim 1:10 and is not defined in those uses.

Second, the concept of homosexuality and the word homosexual are modern constructs. The English word homosexual begins showing up in dictionaries around 1890. There was no Greek word in the first century AD which had the same semantic range as our modern word homosexual.
"No Greek or Latin word corresponds to the modern term 'homosexuality,' and ancient Mediterranean society did not in practice treat homosexuality as a socially operating category of personal or public life.

Sexual relations between persons of the same sex certainly did occur (they are widely attested in ancient sources), but they were not systematically distinguished or conceptualized as such, much less were they thought to represent a single, homogeneous phenomenon in contradistinction to sexual relations between persons of different sexes...

The application of 'homosexuality' (and 'heterosexuality') in a substantive or normative sense to sexual expression in classical antiquity is not advised." - Oxford Classical Dictionary, article on homosexuality.

Because the concept of an exclusive gay or lesbian orientation was not common in the first century and because there was no Greek word with the same semantic range as our modern word homosexual, it is wrong to impose our modern concept on scripture. To read homosexuality into Bible verses which as originally given, did not describe homosexuality, is to add to scripture and to commit spiritual malpractice.

Third, because there are no extant Greek manuscripts which use the word, arsenokoitai, with our modern meaning of homosexual, modern scholars are simply giving their "best guess" as to its meaning, based on breaking down arsenokoites into its parts, arsen, meaning man and koite, mean bed. When arsen and koite are joined together, they form a word which is a euphemism meaning, to have sex.

As noted on our define arsenokoites page, that is not an accurate way to define the meaning of ancient words. For example, all of us agree that the English word mandate does not mean, a date with a man.

Fourth, it is a terrible sin to guess at the meaning of a Biblical word, as scholars have done with arsenokoites, and with their guess, harm hundreds of millions of gays and lesbians. They've made the Bible say something it never said as originally given in the Greek language.

By translating arsenokoites as homosexual, they've made the Bible condemn lesbians in 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10. The word arsenokoites is a masculine word and refers to men, not women.

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Dec 15, 2011
Heaven or Hell
by: Anonymous

GOD did NOT make homosexuals because GOD is perfect. If a homosexual repents and accepts Christ as savior, and STOPS being homosexual they will go to heaven. I am really tired of people telling me to accept homosexuals, GOD never tells us to accept abomonations.

Rick's comment: Reality tells us that God makes about 5% of the human population gay or lesbian or bisexual or transgendered. It is always better to live in reality than in a self-created fantasy.

Feb 17, 2012
Oh didn't He?
by: Steve

If God did not create homosexuals, then for goodness sake, why oh why are we here? How do we exist? How is it that we are born from Christ-following parents, raised in their communities, taught as they are taught, love as they love and live in the way that would make many of their community respect us? Does evil wish to love God? Does evil wish to follow God? Does evil wish to spread love, care for others, and do good in the world? These answers stare you in the face every day.

We are part of your world, we do not harm you. We are your family, your friends, your doctors, your lawyers and bankers. We are human. We love just like you do and want to be loved just like you. Where we differ is only where we have to stand up and ask to be treated and recognized as such.

If an abomination exists in this instance it is that there are children of God in the world today that are bullied just because ignorant people refuse to open their eyes and minds. How Christ-following people can blatantly disobey the 10 commandments, love thy neighbor, and point fingers at others for living their own truth is truly beyond belief.

Mar 06, 2012
Jesus Did Not Condemn Me
by: James

"But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ ... Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean ... For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men."

Romans 14:10,13,14,17,18

Paul himself wrote to the Romans that if I don't consider something a sin, to me it is not sin, and that if anyone tries to make me believe otherwise, that person is sinning by putting a stumblingblock in my way, and trying to keep me from the marvelous salvation and love of Christ. I am a gay man, in a monogamous, committed relationship, and I am a Born Again, Spirit-filled Christian.

2 Cor 6:14 says that light and darkness cannot dwell togehter in unity. So how, then, am I filled with the Holy Ghost? God's answer is that I am not of the darkness, but of the light, and therefore His Spirit has come to live in me, has cleansed me and made me holy, and that my inborn sexual orientation is of no more consequence than the fact that you might have a different color of hair than I do. Jesus died for ALL OF US.

John 3:16 does not say, "For God so loved the heterosexuals that He gave His only begotten son ..." NO, rather, it says, "For God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

I am praying daily for the Spirit of God to quicken the hardened hearts of those who would deny God's love to the GLBT community.

Apr 15, 2012
The wrath of God is upon this whole site & it's authors.
by: Daniel

The Holy Bible makes it perfectly clear that homosexuality is a sin. I don't think that being homosexual is a sin, but I do know for a fact that engaging in gay sex is a sin. The Bible makes all of this perfectly clear. There is no way to take the verses It lists on this topic out of context. How can someone possibly take this out of context?:

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination." I'm not sure if misleading people & turning around God's Word (when you know what the truth is) or blasphemy is worse. Blasphemy is the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk. So, I'm not sure if blasphemy or turning God's Word around and misleading people is worse.

I pray that the authors of this site change their ways. Also, You can't possibly accuse me of being racist, because I've been dealing with orientation issues myself. Everyone please keep this verse in mind too.

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Sin is equal in God's eyes. So is a life of pleasure here, or a eternity in Heaven more important? God Bless, Daniel

Rick's comment: It will be helpful if you do more reading and study. Your analysis of what scripture says in context is seriously lacking.

May 09, 2012
Bible Quotes
by: Anonymous

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltness is upon them"

Homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: they are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:24). As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing, and then they go and promote it and condemn others who don't participate in their sin. So, without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation. Without salvation, there is only damnation in eternal hell.

Rick's comment: You assume that Romans 1 is about homosexuality when, of course, you are quite wrong about that. I'm assigning you additional study hours until your deficient understanding is corrected.

I wonder, Are you dealing with gay feelings yourself and your comment reflects your own self-loathing?

Jul 15, 2012
by: Nicholas

Unfortunately you are trying to prove and translate the Bible in your own words. You can try to make sense of multiple meanings which was very common back in the bc times as I have studied.

Rick's comment: That stream of consciousness makes no sense to me. What are you trying to say? Can you rephrase so that I can understand what you're saying?

Homosexuality is the only sin that perverts the creation of man. He created a natural attraction to the opposite sex.

Rick's comment: Wow Nicholas - how do you know that God created a natural attraction to the opposite sex in every man? You're generalizing in a way that indicates you are oblivious to the harm you're doing.

I can also argue what I have heard in the speaking of tongues but unfortunately I do not have "evidence" to show.

Rick's comment: Your restraint on this aspect of your views is much appreciated. Nothing an unclean spirit showed you through tongues is worth anything to rational Christians who believe the Bible.

And I do not intend to argue or judge. Just to give my side and to say what quacks is a duck. Any further discussion I will respond to. Thanks.

Rick's comment: Are you willing to go beyond opinion and obey 2 Tim 2:15? Have you any interest in studying the context of the verses used to clobber gays and lesbians?

Aug 02, 2012
by: Anonymous

To the comment that talks about God creating homosexuals and how they got that way.. allow me to shed some light on the subject.

If I am angry and I desire to murder someone out of anger, only when I commit the act do I become a murderer. The simple thought of killing someone does not make me carry out the act or make me a murderer. The same is said of homosexuality. A person desires to be with someone of the same sex. That doesn't make them a homosexual until they ACT on that desire. Homosexuals can marry the opposite sex and have a successful life with children and lead a straight life. They would just be choosing NOT to be a homosexual in the same way one chooses not to drink, smoke, or have premarital sex. It is a choice.

Rick's comment: Wow, I feel SO sorry for you. If you really believe what you wrote, you are as ignorant as an illiterate dark age peasant. I do hope you will get serious for Jesus and obey 2 Tim 2:15. You owe it to yourself and the body of Christ and your Savior to educate yourself. Many thanks.

Oct 15, 2012
1 Cor. 6:9; Inherit the Kingdom of God.
by: Tommy Cattey

I am an evangelic pastor at New Jerusalem Bible Church In Mesa, Arizona. I wish to succinctly address I Cor. 6:9. Inherit does not mean going to heaven. It means possessing heaven. One goes to heaven by believing that Jesus is the Christ. Possessing heaven is a reward by Christ. Peter refers to it as more abundantly supplied. A person becomes a Christian through grace alone. Not grace plus works or grace minus works. If a gay man had to stop being gay to become a Christian then grace would not be grace.

Oct 26, 2012
The ticket to the Savior
by: Anonymous

Jeremiah 31:31-35.
Be a Doer.
Sin is going against Gods Words.
Do the 10 Commandments and Live.
Simple. No Sodomites in Heaven.

Rick's comment: You couldn't Biblically define sodomite if your life depended on it. How long will you be ignorant of God's truth? How long will you refuse to study while acting as if you know so much that you don't need to obey 2 Timothy 2:15?

I'll bet my gay Christian soul-winning team wins more souls than you win. And we disciple the ones we win, teaching them the Bible and how to be disciples and soul-winners themselves.

Yep, gay Christians are committed soul-winning disciples of Jesus. Are you doing anything for Jesus? Or are you too busy leaving silly Anonymous comments on gay Christian websites?

Nov 08, 2012
I like this (kinda silly) debate!
by: Gay in God's Love

People who are adamant in believing that gay men and women are sinful (simply by virtue of their natural attractions) are going to think what they want, regardless of Christ's teachings to love one another.

I never really understood some of the anger this topic seems to reveal. I don't hate straight people for being straight, even though they aren't like me in that regard.

And how they misquote and twist the Bible to suit their own arguments, regardless of what further research reveals. BREEDERS NEED TO BE BETTER READERS.

BTW, I'm glad we added a couple more states where the majority of people not only don't judge or condemn gays, but now permit them to marry.

Luv y'all!

P.S. If you damn me for this, or wish hateful things, you aren't a good Christian.

Nov 09, 2012
New Jerusalem Bible Church (Pastor)
by: Tommy Cattey

Dear Gay in God's Love:

Please do not hate the straight person who may hate you because you are gay. Most likely this person is not a Christian. They crunch the Scripture because they do not know, understand and especially live the Scripture.

Yes, you are correct-they will not change. We Christians (gay and straight) live by grace. If we receive the grace of Christ then it incumbent upon us to pass it to the person who may hate us.

When you and I both arrive in eternity (heaven) come over and introduce yourself to me. I look forward to meeting you.

Tommy Cattey

Mar 20, 2013
by: Anonymous

I accept homosexual! It says on Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." don't judge others! If they are homosexual let them be!

Apr 06, 2013
by: Anonymous

i don't hate gay people and i am tired of gay people using that for an excuse.just because i don't agree with two men or two women being together, does't mean that i hate them. the bible says it is wrong, that is GODS word. you can't change it. what he meant 2000 yrs ago, he still means it today. GOD saves people by asking for forgiveness, how can you ask GOD to forgive you for a sin ,if you think it is ok, GOD convicts us of wrong, but we don't have to lisen to him, and that is what's happening in this world today.people are turning away from GOD
GOD is a loving GOD, but you can't use love for an excuse.when you ask for forgiveness, GOD forgives you, but after awhile conviction comes and lets you know what you are doing is wrong.if you don't hear him, it is because you refuse to lisen.

Rick's comment: Okay, no problem. We won't confuse you with facts and truth.

Jun 04, 2013
homosexuals should not blame God
by: mark

bec. of sin from sodom when people in that place, did what was opposite of what God wants them to do. its their choice so homosexuals should not blame God for it.

Rick's comment: It may help to read this page AND explore the text links on that page.

What really happened in Sodom?

Jan 07, 2014
Leviticus 20:13
by: Jay

How about you just read Leviticus 20:13, geniuses. People like you really irritate me because you're the ones committing the sin of interpreting the Bible to say what YOU want it to say.

Rick's comment: Hi Jay - think about it. You have never studied Lev 20:13 or 1 Cor 6:9 yet you assume you know what they mean. Is it honest of you to condemn us based on verses you have never studied?

Feb 07, 2014
hard times
by: Tonya

I feel so messed up over this topic. I have had feelings for the same sex since I can remember, since being a little girl but I also love the Lord with all my heart and go to church and try to live a christ like life. I see both sides of the equation in the Bible but I have come to realize that love is love and when the bible speaks of homosexual acts I believe they are speaking of sexual immorality which covers straight people too. You cant just go around sleeping with everyone thats the problem, not being gay.

My life is splintered between the condemnation I feel from people who tell me I will go to hell and the love I feel for my girlfriend. I would never want to do anything to offend Jesus. I have tried to suppress it, I have tried to pray the gay away like Im some alcoholic with a disease, I have tried to stop but only to be confronted with exhaustion and thoughts of suicide over the entire matter. I just ask the Lord to help me everyday. This life is not a choice or i would choose to be with guys. Jesus is my Lord and Savior forever, thats all I know.

Rick's comment: Tonya, please don't let the anti-gay crowd snow you. This website goes in depth to refute the false teaching so many of us grew up with.

It will benefit you greatly to click on the NavBar links under, What The Bible Says, and carefully read the information. In fact, print out those pages and keep them to read and reread. It is worth the time and effort to learn this for your peace of mind and joy in the Lord.

No one can do this for you. I count on my gay brothers and lesbian sisters to make the effort. We do NOT have to live in constant turmoil and fear. Many thanks for stopping by.

Jul 06, 2014
Gays and Rick's comments
by: John

Rick's comment: From time to time I get comments accusing me of being an idiot who leads people astray from God's truth. What follows is three comments from John, which I've combined into one long comment.

Comment 1: It is an abomination in gods eye's for a man to lay with another man as he would with a woman, and the punishment is clear they were to be stoned to death.but we in modern day society have learned to except all the the abominations, and even embrace them as a natural part of life. No matter how sophisticated and intellectual we think we are you can't twist the written laws of the bible whether you believe it or not.

2. Comment 2: Don't let gay homosexuals draw you into there beliefs that they are excepted by the lord god because there not and never will seems they can fool themselves and other people into believing that what they are is normal and natural, the truth is its not normal or natural to practice homosexuality, and to think they are a harmless lot think again. There are people in high places of the same persuasion that will do and say anything to make you believe that God accepts them as they are . There's just one miracle for man on this planet the miracle of Jonah, that if sinners truly repent, turn away from sin they will receive the miracle of Jonah which is forgiveness. That's the only miracle for man on this earth. so be it.

Comment 3: Rick do you truly believe what you're saying, if you do your either an idiot and believe your drivel. Or your just evil and you would lead as many unenlightened people as you can to the same doom as you yourself are headed. The truth wouldn't suite you rick! It doesn't read the way you want it to. So you'll go to the lengths of manipulating words and meaning to suite yourself and your false idea of the truth. You'll even drag (pardon the pun) as many people down with you.

Rick's comment: Hi John - this website refutes your views, providing chapter and verse in context. I hope you will continue to read and study because there is much to learn from the blessed Holy Spirit and from the God who loved you and died in your place, as your Substitute, so that you can be saved.

Sep 25, 2014
God turned his back on them
by: Jan Wright

Whats gays don't seem to understand is they are under a (curse) God turned his back on them for disobedience causing them to have a vile and unnatural lust(homosexuality)it is a punishment. Yes God did create gays however it is to prove his power and that he is real, when gays say God created me this way they are only acknowledging the fact God turned his back them for disobedience, only God can change the nature of what he created Rom 1:26-27 Gays are proof God is real. That's why they are still here and why they continue to disobey (same gender sex and marriage) those who agree with are worse off than they are because they endorse this violation of the word of God.

Rick's comment: Hi Jan - what an odd comment. Your views are made up from your own imagination or from some anti-gay preacher - they are not Bible based.

If you're interested in truth, there is a lot of truth from the Bible on this website. I hope you will keep reading and studying.

Nov 20, 2014
Jesus Christ
by: Dan

Ok if you are gay..good for you..its your choice anyway..but i have one a CHRISTIAN, did you ever asked Jesus Christ (through prayers),our Lord and Saviour, THE ONE AND ONLY as described in the holy bible,....who came in flesh(John1:14), who was born from a virgin(Matthew 1:23),who walk on this earth for 33 1/2 years (see proof from God's kingdom society website on google), who was sinless(2 Corinthians 5:21) and yet died on the cross for our sins(Romans 4:25, John 3:16) but rose from the dead on the third day(1 Corinthians 15:3-6), who then went to heaven and made to be seated at the right side of God( Ephesian 1: 20-23) examine your choice and ask if he is happy with it or not...remember no servant, which applies to all those who call themselves christians, is greater than the master(Matthew 10:24, John 13:16)..If we love Jesus Christ..we keep his commandments(John 14:15,23)...the biblical quotes above help to distinguish the real Jesus Christ from the false one(Matthew 24:5, 24)...I would love to hear what Jesus Christ as described from verses of the holy bible said to you. I would appreciate a detailed account..thanks.

Rick's comment: Hi Dan - My personal testimony is found on this page: My Coming Out.

Since Jesus is "the Word made flesh," John 1:14, whatever the Bible says in context is what Jesus says to us, therefore this website focuses on "rightly dividing the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15, providing the detailed account you seek. Many thanks for stopping by.

Dec 24, 2014
Unnatural Relations
by: Patricia Lewis

Romans 2:26 - Because of this (turning away from God's truth - see verses 1-25), God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

According to this, homosexuality is an unnatural lust, indecent, perverted & shameful. No Greek dictionary is going to do anything to prove otherwise. Please stop trying to find excuses and listen to what God is telling you in His Word! And please quit judging others that are only trying to teach you the truth from His word. May you open your mind and your heart to the truth.

Rick's comment: Hi Patricia - It sounds like you have a loved one who is gay and that causes you great distress. I am sorry you are hurting right now. Please know that our Lord has comfort and hope for you in the scriptures, rightly divided, 2 Timothy 2:15.

Believing what the Bible says in context is not twisting the scriptures and is not finding excuses. It is God's way of helping us understand the Bible. One of the best gifts you can give your gay loved one this Christmas is to obey 2 Timothy 2:15 when studying the gay issue.

The predominant Christian view of Romans 1 for 2000 years has been that it is talking about temple prostitutes. Most Christians for 2000 years have NOT believed that Romans 1 was talking about lesbians and gays. Here is your starter page for studying Romans 1.

Dec 25, 2014
by: Patricia Lewis

Well, just as you misinterpret the Bible, you also misread my comment. Or rather read something into it that is not even true. I do not have any gay members of my family or even close friends. I am not "hurting" in any way pertaining to homosexuality. I do KNOW some gay people, but none are particularly close to me. However, I am still concerned for them and pray for them to come to an understanding of the Truth. I will pray for you also.

Rick's comment: Hi Patricia - sorry that I misunderstood your comment. If you don't have anyone close to you who is gay, why are you coming to a gay Christian website and commenting?

And why do you refuse to educate yourself on the topic about which you comment? You have read into Romans 1 things which the text does not say - that it condemns lesbians and gays. Romans 1 is not now and never has been about homosexuality.

Did you even bother to read the link to Romans 1 and the factual info presented there? I do hope you will read that helpful info. Wishing you a blessed Merry Christmas.

Dec 26, 2014
by: Patricia

To answer your questions, I did not "come to this site". I came across it as a link to another site on Facebook and thought I'd check it out. I've tried very hard to understand the issue of homosexuality, but it just seems so straight forward to me in the Bible I don't see how you can even question what the Bible says. My interest comes from the almost daily accusations of the liberal left toward the conservative right (me) as being intolerant and judgmental toward gays, which could not be further from the truth. I get tired of being called intolerant when I'm trying very hard to understand where the left's thinking comes from. But after much study and research, I can only come to the conclusion that they are accepting the false teachings of those that want to make their sin be acceptable to God. I find that to be so sad. And, yes, I did look at your "information" (though, in my opinion, not accurate) on Romans 1. So much time is spent trying to explain when, why and what Paul was referencing when the bottom line is that no matter the time period, it still does not negate the fact that the acts of sin mentioned in Romans 1 are still a sin! What do you hope to gain by focusing on the time period or this temple that is not even mentioned in the Bible?
The time doesn't matter. A sin is a sin is a sin.
Verse 20 and following: "For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another."
And it goes on to describe the various sinful acts - "women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones", "men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men..." How can that be twisted to be something that is o.k. with God?
Also, other sinful acts were mentioned - not just the sexual acts - things like greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful. So if we say the homosexual acts mentioned in Romans 1 are not wrong, are all these other sins mentioned not wrong as well? The argument just doesn't hold water. Sorry!

Rick's comment: Hi Patricia - It seems to me you are taking the easy and incorrect path, by assuming that cultural doctrinal historical linguistic and religious context cannot be factored into our understanding of the Bible, thus you ask: "What do you hope to gain by focusing on the time period or this temple that is not even mentioned in the Bible?"

Church history shows us that Christians for three centuries after Paul wrote Romans 1, understood him to be talking about shrine prostitutes. Plus, Paul could have used Greek words for lesbian and gay but he did not. That indicates he was not talking about lesbians and gays.

When you equate sinful sexual worship of pagan gods with being lesbian and gay, you are, however unintentionally, being incredibly cruel. You get tired of being called intolerant and then you intolerantly lump lesbians and gays in with pagan worshipers of false gods and condemn us. I pray it will sink into your heart how unChristian and wounding your words are to your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

Jan 15, 2015
I'm confused
by: Anonymous

I have a few questions/statements to make. First of all I am not gay. I am a Demi-romantic asexual. It simply means that I am only attracted to people that I have known for a very long time and that I do not wish to have a sexual relationship, only a romantic one based off of love. So knowing this can someone please answer the following questions:

1.) Does god condemn homosexuals who are attracted to the same sex? Or just homosexuals who have homosexual sex?

Rick's comment: Hi Anonymous - Thanks for the good questions. This website explains from scripture that God created gays, lesbians, bisexuals, asexuals and transgendered people. We are not freaks of nature. We are wonderful creations of a loving God.

He does not condemn us for being who He created us to be. Jesus died on the Cross for our sins just like He died for the sins of everyone. Jesus saves all who call upon Him and He doesn't change our innate sexual orientation when He saves us.

2.) I am in a romantic relationship with someone the same gender as me but we have decided never to have sex because The Lord has commanded us not too. So are we condemned?

Rick's comment: If you are saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone, then No, you are not condemned. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." - Romans 8:1.

And if it's not obvious, I agree with the fact that god does indeed condemn homosexual sex but my question is if he condemns two people who are the same gender who love eachother but do not have sex for The Lord has commanded us not too?

Rick's comment: I believe you will find it helpful to carefully read and study this issue more than you have so far. This website has a wealth of information to help you understand the cultural doctrinal historical linguistic and religious context of the clobber passages. Blessings to both of you as you walk the path of God's purpose for your lives.

Jan 25, 2015
by: MrsBond

The Greek word in 1 Corinthians 6:9 is "malakos" not what you said. So I must disregard what you said due to it is unfounded.

Rick's comment: Hi MrsBond - thanks for your comment. There are two Greek words in 1 Cor 6:9, which some anti-gay Christians believe are references to gay people. Those words are:

1. Malakoi, which NEVER means gay or lesbian when used in the Bible.

2. Arsenokoitai, which NEVER means gay or lesbian when used in the Bible.

If Paul intended to condemn gays and lesbians, there were many ancient Latin and Greek words he could have used yet Paul didn't use any of those words. That indicates he did not intend to condemn gays and lesbians. Instead, he was condemning shrine prostitutes and their pagan worship of false gods.

Mar 09, 2015
Wrong way to define effeminate
by: jo

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

adjective: effeminate
(of a man) having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly.
synonyms: womanish, effete, foppish, unmanly, feminine; More
antonyms: manly

Origin - late Middle English: from Latin effeminatus, past participle of effeminare ‘make feminine,’ from ex- (expressing a change of state) + femina ‘woman.

Rick's comment: Hi Jo - Why do you believe that defining a word in English tells you what the Greek word meant in the mid-first century AD when Paul wrote 1 Corinthians 6:9-10? This will help you with context. Effeminate meant a man who shaved his face daily, among other meanings.

Apr 08, 2015
Gays will go to heaven if they accept Jesus as their Saviour
by: Destiny

I like and it helps my research on lgbt issues. I too am a gay born again Christian. I was born again when I was 13. Now im 26. My experience is just same as the writer.

Jesus only is the way to heaven. Whosoever believes in him will be saved.

Rick's comment: Hi Destiny - Amen to what you said.

Apr 09, 2015
by: Patricia

So, you are saying by your definition of effeminate that a man who shaves his face daily cannot enter the kingdom of heaven?

Rick's comment: Hi Patricia - No, I am saying that is one of the historically recognized definitions of what it meant to be effeminate two thousand years ago, among other meanings. I make it clear on the page I linked to earlier and will also link to here, that I believe the way Paul used the word effeminate, he intended to describe shrine prostitutes.

What did effeminate mean?

Jun 03, 2015
Assistance with Romans 1
by: JNH

Please assist me in explaining how Romans 1:26-32 do not "describe" homosexual acts. The word "homosexual" is not used any where in this passage, however, it appears to describe homosexual acts in a negative way - please help.

Rick's comment: Hi JNH - I'm happy to help. On this page, we explain what Romans 1 means in the light of its biblical cultural historical linguistic and religious context. On that page, there are also links to more than 30 other pages explaining the meaning of Romans 1.

Jun 27, 2015
You're deceived
by: Julie

Rick you are completely blind and it's sad to read your responses to other people who are sharing their beliefs.. the bible Cleary explains what you are going through... you are decieved.. Pray for the truth in your life. And don't worry about responding to this comment. I'm not here to argue or make you mad. Im trying to be a sister in Christ who condems a brother which you assume you to be so you have a chance to repent and ask for Jesus to open your eyes.. God's judgement and correction will be much stronger..I don't see any rebuke out of love in you're responses. You closed your mind heart and soul against those who share the same love of God's word as you supposedly do but don't support the sin it calls sin.. why aren't people debating whether murder or lying or stealing is actually wrong and pushing it to be right? It's only people who commit those sin who make excuses for them and try to justify them... but sin is sin.. and himesexuality is sin. I don't need to quote any scriptures because you read the bible.. don't let satan win.. you are loved by your creator and He wants you to know the Truth.. the real truth.. the Holy truth. Not the perverted "truth".. even demons play roles as angels.. the devil is father of lies. You know better! Don't let him win.. and if you're angry at me for all of this.. please don't be.. I dont mean to attack you in any way.. but give yourself the chance to ask God to open up your show you Himself. JESUS Christ the Lord who died for yoi and me.. test yourself.. don't let pride and whatver else stand in the way. I've been questioning many things in my life.. the one way to figure things out is to be alone with God.. ask Him for His truth.. not the world's truth.. the father of the world is Satan remember? the world will lie to you. Seek God's one and only way. CHRIST'S LOVE TO YOU AND WHOMEVER ELSE WHO COMES ACROSS THIS... I'm on the same journey to seek this truth which is found in Jesus.

Rick's comment: Hi Julie - I am already saved and born again, washed in the blood of the Lamb, justified by faith and already seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:6.

I appreciate your concern for my soul and want to remind you that just because we disagree on the gay issue, you should not assume that I must be unsaved and deceived. God bless you Julie.

Nov 05, 2015
homosexuals will not go to heaven?
by: hern

You are so Foolish person. before the scholar tlanslate the kingjames version their was 4 translated Bible the Aramaic and Greek, laten and German. How come the scholar give the wrong interpretation.

Rick's comment: Hi Hern - thanks for letting us know.

Jan 25, 2016
God Loves You
by: Michael

The content on this page is a disturbingly twisted portrayal of what God's word actually says, and I say that will all due respect.

Genesis 19:1-13, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, Jude 1:7, and 1 Timothy 1:10 all make it abundantly clear that homosexuality is a sin. I have been a professional Hebrew linguist since 2008 and after verifying the original Hebrew text just now, there is no possible way to misconstrue the meaning in the Old Testament,

What does you shall not lie with a man as with a woman mean?

and there is no indication in the New Testament that suggests that God ever changed his mind on homosexuality being an abomination.

Additionally, your argument regarding the word mandate demonstrates an insufficient linguistic understanding. Surely we don't look at the word "mandate" and view it as "a date with a man."

Rick's comment: Hi Michael - I wrote: "all of us agree that the English word mandate does not mean, a date with a man." On my arsenokoites page, I further pointed out, about mandate, that, I'm using absurdity to make a point... A mandate is not and never has been a date with a man... It has nothing to do with dating a man.

When you break down a word in that manner, you need to analyze the roots. "Man" and "date" are not the roots of this word. Rather the English word mandate is of Latin origin and comes from the Latin word mandatus, or mandare, meaning to commission. Admittedly I am not a certified Greek linguist (yet... my New Testament Greek studies begin shortly). However, I believe your claim regarding the Greek word for homosexual used in 1 Corinthians 6:9 is based on linguistically misconstrued evidence, twisted to serve your biased and unbiblical agenda.

Even if Paul had used a word other than "homosexual" in 1 Corinthians 6:9

What words could Paul have used if he intended to condemn homosexuality?

(though virtually all reputable scholars outside of this website agree

Rick's comment: Please Michael, tell me you don't really believe this argument - everyone else believes it so it must be true.

that this verse does indeed list "homosexuals"), that does not explain away the other 7 verses throughout 6 different books of God's inspired word that clearly condemn homosexuality.

We are all born into sin, it is part of our unfortunate nature since the fall of man in the beginning of time. That includes homosexuals, whether you happen to have a genetic predisposition to homosexuality, or if it's the result of social and psychological development. Just as some people struggle with thievery, blaspheming, violence, or the many sexual sins in existence, homosexuals are likewise slaves to their own sin.

The good news is that God recognizes our inability to "fix ourselves," and so he sent Jesus Christ to die on the cross as a substitutionary sacrifice for our sins. All we have to do is believe in him, and we are saved. What does "believing in him" mean?

What does it mean to believe in Jesus?

James 2:17-19 says that faith without good works is dead, and that even the demons believe in God. In order to be saved we have to really believe, and that means repentence and obedience. By twisting the words of Scripture to support your wordly, and sinful lifestyle, you are not only violating biblical teachings, but you are also blatantly denying God, and you are putting your homosexual lifestyle before Him as a result.

I know it's not easy to suddenly just turn away from sin once it's ensnared you so deeply, but God DOES love you, and me, and everyone else, and he wants us all to come to him and be saved. Pray for wisdom brother, and I will pray for you as well. Do not be deceived:

2 Timothy 4:3-4 - "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."

Rick's comment: Thanks Michael, for making me smile - it always amuses me when one who does not know me takes time out of a busy day to demonstrate his favorite witnessing technique, which insults me and condemns my worldly sinful lifestyle, book ending his attack with God loves you and God DOES love you. LOL - that is weird.

May I kindly suggest that you will be a more effective minister of Jesus Christ if you slow down and discipline yourself to read carefully, making sure you have digested and understood what you've read BEFORE writing your critique and correction?

What must I do to be saved?

Jan 26, 2016
Opinions vs Truth
by: Jeremy Larson

Sin and truth isn't relative and isn't what we think it is. We might live according to our own ideas, but God lives according to His beliefs as well.
Likewise people can, and do, take single verses out to support any belief. Yet the Bible as a whole is very clear, if we would be honest/genuine enough to read it without bias.
My point? "even females exchanged natural sexual intercourse for what is unnatural. The males in the same way also left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed in their lust for one another.." seems pretty clear. (Rom. 1:26-28)
Leviticus 18:22 is also ridiculously clear.
Like others have correctly commented, homosexuality is a sin that some are inclined towards, just as others are towards violence or heterosexual lust.
Its all sin, and repentance means we acknowledge what God says, call sin what it is, and no longer live for our own selfish desires but for God's desires.
This is what it means to believe in Jesus, you don't just believe His life and death, but His truth and requirements for salvation (follow Him).
We aren't doing ourselves or others any favors by trying to make it easier to accept Jesus or get into heaven. We forget Jesus Himself said the way to life is hard and narrow, and few find it. How can this be true if Jesus is so liberal as to receive any kind of lifestyle? Yes He loves all and will accept all, but the real question is do WE accept HIM? (and without trying to alter His teachings).

Rick's comment: Hi Jeremy - You've written a rather odd comment which reads as if you are attempting to correct views I do not hold. I have never alleged that sin and truth are relative nor have I ever alleged that Jesus is liberal.

I think the problem is, you have not studied the Bible or the issues much so when you read a view that is unfamiliar, you assume it could not possibly be true. That is an intellectually dangerous knee-jerk reaction that will greatly impede your spiritual growth.

I provide in depth insight into the Romans 1:26-27 and Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 passages. If you are not knowledgeable about the historical views I present, there is no way you can hold up your end of a discussion on these topics.

What must I do to be saved?

Jan 29, 2016
I just don't know what to do
by: Rayshawn

I have known I was gay since I was in kindergarten 18 years ago. For so many years of my life I thought something was wrong with me or that I needed to be fixed. I used to pray to God to change me to straight but it seriously never worked. Now I am in college and I realize that my desire to have a partner of the same gender is real.

This is a matter of love and not lust. People tell me to force myself to be straight and that's impossible. others tell me to force myself to live life alone and I don't want that. I used to think if I had another gay partner that I would go to hell but now I don't know. I think God would accept it and have no issue with it.

I just want to love and be loved and I hope with all my heart that god understands. I'm tired of crying. I'm tired of feeling trapped. I have been praying a lot and asking God for help. I think I am beginning to believe that God understands my attraction and wants me to find love, not loneliness.

Rick's comment: Hi Rayshawn - There is help and hope for you in Jesus. God knows your situation and He will show you the way.

The first and most important thing is to know for sure you are saved.

Second, live for the Lord Jesus as His disciple day by day. That means reading the Bible, especially the New Testament, so you are getting to know how God works and what He wants for your life.

Third, spend some time reading my website, including my Gay Christian FAQ, so you'll know that God doesn't hate you for being gay and so that you know how to answer people who throw the clobber passages at you. God loves you with an everlasting love and has a definite plan for your life, Ephesians 2:10.

Fourth, keep your heart open to God and be the kind of man you would love to spend the rest of your life with. Love Jesus, love others, be a real biblical disciple of Jesus and pray for God to bring into your life another real disciple of Jesus as your partner.

I hope this is helpful. God bless you Rayshawn.

Feb 04, 2016
Being gay is a sin
by: Daniel Hozan

This site is satanic and needs to be burned down to hell.

Rick's comment: Hi Daniel - Thanks for letting us know.

What must I do to be saved?

Feb 06, 2016
by: Angie

It's not ok to interpret the Bible in a way that suits our lifestyle. God is God and ultimately His word will stand. I pray you are ready for judgment day. God bless.

Rick's comment: Hi Angie - Did it ever occur to you that gays are not the ones interpreting the Bible to suit our lifestyle? It is a sad thing that so many Christians are willing to rip verses out of context and then clobber gays with the out of context verses, AS IF they referred to gays.

What must I do to be saved?

Feb 06, 2016
Still sad
by: Angie

As I said, Gods word will stand. If you believe that what you are doing is righteous and holy in Gods sight, then who am I to tell you differently. Judge not and ye shall not be judged.

Mar 18, 2016
hi - question
by: maggie

Are you saying that God wasn't referring to gays when he said homosexual? and if not what group of people was he referring to? please thanks God bless.

Rick's comment: Hi Maggie - Yes, that's what I'm saying. The Bible NEVER uses the word homo- sexual in the Hebrew Old Testament or the Greek New Testament and English Bibles and Bibles in other languages for the first 1900 years of church history never used that word. Homosexual wasn't even an English word until the 1890s.

It is a serious error for modern translators to insert the word, homosexual, into the Bible when God never used that word or its equivalent anywhere in the Bible. It is an insult to gays and lesbians.

For 1800 to 1900 years after the New Testament was written, no one anywhere used the word, homosexual, or its equivalent when teaching the Bible. When someone clobbers their gay brothers and lesbian sisters with that word, that is a bad thing. It is not Christian to do that.

What words could Paul have used if he intended to condemn homosexuality?

God was referring to shrine prostitutes who used sex to worship false gods and goddesses. Scholars on the topic, like Marti Nissinen, tell us that most shrine prostitutes were heterosexual, not homosexual.

My page, How can we be sure what Paul was talking about in Romans 1? also contains helpful information.

Mar 18, 2016
The Bible defines
by: Jeremy

You say the word Homosexual is an incorrect translation, but the Bible specifically defines what it meant in the same verses "even their females exchanged natural sexual intercourse for what is unnatural. The males in the same way also left natural sexual intercourse with females and were enflamed in their desire for one another.." And "you are not to sleep with a man as with a woman"

How is that not clear? What is the most obvious answer? Basically you are using obscure points/ reasons to disprove the more obvious and sure truths the Bible clearly states. Your reasoning is not based on seeking/accepting the most likely/obvious answer, but based on emotions and trying to find a solution that fits who you want to be.

I understand homosexuals say that their sexual orientation is a part of them, unseparable from who they are. But that doesn't take into account that God is our creator and can even "divide the soul from spirit". Not to mention it minimizes who you are as a person, homosexuals should see themselves a whole lot more than just a feeling and sexual orientation.

Aren't you more than that? Or would you dismiss all else God has created you to be? My brain chemistry and family history leans towards depression and drugs, and trust me it does not go away after decades of prayer.

How is this any less of who I am than a sexual desire? And should I say that this is who God made me to be? Or is it simply because we are fallen people inheriting numerous issues from Adam and Eve? He is our creator we should submit to His ideals and purpose for us.

Rick's comment: Hi Jeremy - Thanks for commenting. I encourage you to consider that simply because you haven't heard a truth, doesn't make that truth an obscure point or a reason to disapprove. In reality, it means you need to obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and do more study.

I have an extensive section on Romans 1, in which I quote world class conservative anti-gay Christian scholars about the context of Romans 1. They are not pushing an obscure point. You can read about it on my Romans 1 page.

Jeremy, all of us are responsible before God to search out truth, to believe truth and to teach and preach truth. God bless you brother, as you "walk in the Spirit," Galatians 5:16, and keep seeking truth.

Feb 16, 2017
My opinion on what bible reads about being gay
by: Sissyshotgun

I think it's about a man having sex with men and women even children, as far as being a sin . But if one man chooses to love just men and not both then he was borned like that and God obviously wanted him just the way they are . Some people are borned with 6 fingers or toes some are borned with both organs and have to choose which sex they are , so how could being borned with more female hormones than male be a sin when God made you that way and of course I'm also referring to women as well. I love Jesus and I don't believe he makes mistakes like that so I believe if a man or woman chooses only the same sex as them selves then it's not a sin, but if they are lying with both sex's that's were your sin comes in.

Rick's comment: Interesting - There is no need to be afraid to put your real name with your comment. People would respect you more if you did.

Apr 05, 2017
by: Jan

Rick's comment: Hi Jan - The article is not a rebuttal in any way. This website refutes the arguments in the article from campusreset. The author of the article either doesn't study the Bible or he is dishonest, since what he wrote is full of untruths and half-truths.

I encourage you to click on any page on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says. You will be amazed at how much truth is presented here and sourced with clickable links so you can do more study.

Rick Warzywak doesn't do that in his article. God holds you responsible for reading, believing and obeying 2 Timothy 2:15.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Rightly dividing means, among other things, that we interpret scripture in light of its biblical, cultural, doctrinal, historical, linguistic and religious context.

When we do that, none of the clobber passages is in the context of two gay guys or two gay gals falling in love and covenanting to spend their lives together as a couple.

Oct 11, 2017
I love you, but this is wrong
by: Jim

Also Rick, You said something earlier I have to reply to. You said "I'll bet my gay Christian soul-winning team wins more souls than you win. And we disciple the ones we win, teaching them the Bible and how to be disciples and soul-winners themselves."

Jesus said "21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’"

Rick's comment: Hi Jim - It's odd how, because I disagree with you on the gay issue, you assume I must not be saved.

Do you have enough self-awareness to see how that reveals your arrogance and pride?

In Matthew 7, the verses you cited, Jesus is talking to Jews on the law side of Calvary, living under the law of Moses in the land of Israel who rejected Him as their Savior and Messiah. They were religious but lost.

You rip those verses out of context and wrongly apply them to me, a blood-bought, saved and born again Bible believing Christian on the grace side of Calvary simply because I disagree with you on the gay issue.

And you profess that your reason for doing so is love for me. I encourage you to get serious and start studying the Bible instead of assuming that the Bible agrees with your views.

Dec 31, 2017
Interpret scripture with scripture not intellectualism
by: Marcus

The best way to interpret scripture is with other scriptures. Other scriptures do address this area of homosexuality without even using the Word homosexual. Such as in the book of Romans. In Romans 1:27 when it says "that men leaving the natural use of the woman burned with lust for one another, MEN with MEN committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due". This is where they don't use the word homosexuality, but describe it. Here in this scripture they did not misuse the Greek word for MEN with MEN. Nor did they misuse any of the Greek words for men leaving the NATURAL use of the woman...or burned in their lust. Also verse 26 about God gave them up to vile passions.For their women exchanged the natural use for whay is against nature....None of those Words or sentances in the Greek was a guess. Also what you said about the Greek and what was not common around didn't have to be common in order for God to address an issue then or one that he sees will rise to be a greater matter in the future. You are also wrong about the Greek part. I only say all of this to say YOU can't take something u feel strongly about and say that you refuse to change it. If you knew it(homosexuality) was wrong but still had the strong desires u have for the same sex would you change it. Despite how strong your desire is would trust God and say turn a way from it..or is YOUR desire so strong that u said there is no way I can change this?..You know you have to remember we weren't born into this world with the right feelings and desires...this is a world of darkness..the Bible says Satan is the god of this World..if he wasn't it would need saving. The thing is there is forgiveness for people in homosexuality..God's love gives a way out..but YOU can't say I am perfect and fine the way i am..if u do you are saying you don't need God to change you...everybody does.

Rick's comment: Hi Marcus- Thanks for commenting. When we use scripture to interpret scripture, that means we want to interpret scripture in proper context.

If we look at a verse and assume that our opinion about the meaning is correct and then try to support our opinion about the meaning by finding other verses, without factoring in context, that method leads us to false conclusions.

Context is important. I go into great detail about the context of Romans 1, including word by word, phrase by phrase, verse by verse commentary on Romans 1.

I encourage you to read my commentary before you assume that it's talking about homosexuality.

What does Roman 1 mean?

Apr 16, 2018
Multiple versus
by: Jeffrey

Honestly, I am tired of the excuse, well God made me this way so it is ok to be gay. We all have sin we struggle with in life and none of it is ok. We are all called to repent. If I allowed my desires to run free, I would have hurt or killed multiple people while in traffic over them cutting me off or being jerks (you would do the same, so don't judge me, and this is an innate anger that most if not all men have somewhere deep down), have sex with hundreds of women while I am married (an innate desire to procreate put there by God), stolen multiple cars (a covetousness that has been there since birth, so God must have given it to me), and lied my way to the top of my company (an innate desire given by God for self preservation, as I was born with it). I choose not to do these things despite my nature (or God-given struggles), because I know God deems them sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Jeffrey - Everyone who receives Jesus Christ as Savior is justified by faith. In plainer words, as saved people, we have been given the perfect righteousness of Christ and for that reason, our standing in Christ is perfect. Our state is something else.

Our soul got saved, our spirit got born again but nothing happened to our flesh. We are saved men walking around in unsaved bodies. And so, we struggle with the flesh.

How should I deal with sexual temptation?

I encourage you to read Romans chapter 4 of my Commentary on Romans because it addresses the issue of standing and state. Jump to page 28 of Romans 4 commentary for the Standing vs. State info.

My commentary on Romans chapter 1 addresses the issue of whether or not Paul was talking about gays and lesbians. I comment word by word, phrase by phrase, verse by verse. I hope you'll take a look.

On the issue of us being gay and you feeling like we're making excuses for sin, no verse of scripture, when read in context, says it's a sin to be gay. We struggle to live holy and sanctified lives just like non-gay Christians.

I appreciate you taking the time to comment.

Aug 13, 2018
We are to love and treat each other with kindness
by: Kimmy

I use decernment when dealing with people and situations. I dont focus on who people are sleeping with, because it really aint my business. GOD calls on us to love and treat each other as we would have them treat us. We are all sinners and no sin is greater than the other. Jesus looked to what was in peoples hearts and his followers were sinners. We are not judge and jury. We can only take responsibility for the things we do. And part of loving GOD and following JESUS is to love everyone, because none of us is perfect. The bible says lots of things, (But those combinations of wisdom, lessons and teachings are too be used with some understanding) and is complex to those with a veil over their eyes. But easy to interpret when we read it (The whole Bible, not just bits and verses) with love, willingness and understanding. Not as if we are finding some way to condemn someone. People should learn to let GOD do the excessment. I'm not perfect either. I hope whoever reads this is BLESSED with GODS love and understanding

Aug 14, 2018
what is natural?
by: Jeremy Larson

Your "interpretation" of Paul's words (that he is talking about pedophilia and not homosexuality) is grasping at straws (outside scripture) while ignoring the obvious in the scripture texts themselves.

Rick's comment: Hi Jeremy - It always amuses me when a commenter makes such a blatantly false comment. I do not interpret Paul's words as talking about pedophilia. That you think I do indicates you have not read with comprehension.

However you want to spin it, Paul said they "left what is natural", which he previously said was male and female sex. Now is homosexual sex natural? Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is natural. Not to be crude, but it is pretty obvious the sole purpose of an anus. Likewise can a baby be made? Did God create the body in with such in mind?

Rick's comment: The topic here is 1 Cor 6:9, not Romans. Your words make it clear you are working from the faulty presupposition that 1 Cor 6:9 and Romans 1:26-27 are talking about gays and lesbians.

You anti-gay guys tend to jump from one illogical argument to the next because you don't study the Bible and couldn't exposit the text if your life depended on it.

We see in Genesis God "made them male and female", who would become one. He then commanded them to "go forth and multiply". This was given as a command, so it stands to reason homosexuality is not in compliance with God's original design and purpose of people. So the conclusion of all this makes it hard to think homosexuality is natural (and somehow excluded from Paul's subjects of discussion).

Rick's comment: More jumping from argument to argument. Did it ever occur to you that in 1 Cor 7:1-9, God blesses people who do not marry, people who are celibate.

According to your reasoning, it stands to reason that people who do not marry are not in compliance with God's original design and purpose for people.

Jesus said we should be careful how we hear (His Word) and not deceive ourselves "For if that light in you is darkness, how great is that darkness". When we have to go so far outside the boundaries of scripture and hermeneutics for our "interpretation", that is exactly what is happening.

On a side note, your blog setup does not allow a proper dialogue (providing you a biased advantage of always get the last say).

Rick's comment: My website is not a free speech zone. The interwebs are full of anti-gay illogic. I DO get the last word here and that is as it should be.

Aug 14, 2018
my reply
by: Jeremy Larson

First, I read some of what you've had to say quite some time ago. There are a few different pro homosexuality arguments and I assumed your stance quite frankly because there is very little "wiggle room" in Romans 1

Rick's comment: Hi Jeremy - I have hundreds of pages online about Romans 1 and I comment on every phrase and every verse in Romans 1. May I kindly encourage you to really study Romans 1. It will do great good for your spiritual life.

So if not pedophiles, then who is Paul referring to? In Romans he said "the males in the same way left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed with lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males..."

Rick's comment: Paul is talking about shrine prostitutes in Romans 1. Please click the above link to Romans 1.

Seems pretty self explanatory, so any other argument I can give is pretty pointless. You call my arguments illogical and scattered, yet you try to compare celibacy with homosexuality.

Celibacy for physical or spiritual reasons is not against God's command to be fruitful. If the reason is physical you cannot fault them, if for spiritual reasons, would Paul not fit the definition of fruitful and multiplying?

Rick's comment: No, I used the same logic you used when you compared Adam and Eve to homosexuals. You said, homosexuality is not in compliance with God's original design. I pointed out that celibacy is also not in compliance with God's original design.

Celibacy, and therefore, not having children is against God's command to be fruitful and multiply. Celibacy is radically different from getting married and then, being fruitful and multiplying.

Also, I gave my comment in respect and to the point, so you can spare me the sarcasm please. You give people snide and belittling replies in regards to their comments, meanwhile any argument of coarse is very limited in the space and time of this forum.

Rick's comment: You assumed I hold a view I do not hold. You did that because you didn't take time to read what I believe. Pointing out that your argument is illogical and unbiblical is not belittling. It is a simple statement of fact.

Your disdain for "anti gay guys" shows a bit of your heart. Regardless of wrongdoing from people, we are to forgive and love. Not bottle up and take out on the next person.

Rick's comment: I don't disdain anti-gay guys. I disdain their lazy approach to scripture.

So while it might be your blog, what you see being "as it should be" is basically an avoidance of real discussion and debate of scripture and hermeneutics.

Rick's comment: I have hundreds of pages of FREE information online. I have answered thousands of comments on this website as well as answering thousands of emails in private, from people who come to this website looking for answers.

You suggest that I avoid discussion because you want to have the last word instead of me having the last word, as you stated in your previous comment.

Aug 14, 2018
now i remember
by: Jeremy Larson

Yes, now I remember.. yes "the males in the same way left natural sexual intercourse with females and were inflamed with lust for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males..."

I cannot fathom how anyone can claim this very straight forward verse is only about temple prostitutes (male or female) and somehow excludes non prostitution homosexuality.

Rick's comment: Hi Jeremy - This is why I disagree with your views on Romans 1:26-27.

Phrase by phrase, verse by verse commentary on Romans 1.

My study of the Bible is nothing close to lazy. You assume too much from a few very condensed comments.

Most scholars who abide by hermeneutics cannot possibly come to your conclusion (and those whom you quote or study). Only those who look for evidence to support what they've already decided will venture so far from plain logic and linguistics.

BTW, its not about who gets the last word, but a forum that allows back and forth discussion. But thanks for replies and time. Take care.

Sep 24, 2018
Just Asking
by: Glen Kirby

To Rick - May our God have mercy upon you and all homosexuals, may His Holy Spirit bring you to a realization of true faith in His Son for Salvation. With that said, just asking:

Have you ever stopped to think that if you live out hour life on earth, die, resurrected in final judgement at the great white throne judgement day, known as the great day of the Lord, and find out you were wrong with all this "standing on your greek translative versions of words", Just what are you planning to say to God face to face on that day when it will be too late to change it? Just Asking.

Rick's comment: Hi Glen - I believe you are making some mistakes in how you think about this.

1. It is an error which betrays your pride to think that, when we disagree with you on the gay issue, we must not have "true faith in His Son for Salvation."

2. I am saved and so are lots of other gays and lesbians. We are already part of the body of Christ and are already seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:6.

3. That being true, we will not be judged at the great white throne judgment. Instead, we will be at the judgment seat of Christ. Jesus, on the cross, has already born God's judgment against our sins.

4. Rightly dividing the word of truth, 2 Timothy 2:15, or, interpreting the Bible in context, is not a trick or an unChristian way to study the Bible. Instead, it is the way Christians have understood the Bible for almost two thousand years.

What must I do to be saved?

Feb 23, 2019
Can’t force puzzle pieces that don’t fit
by: Anonymous

God created Adam and Eve.......
NOT Adam and Steve.....
Repent while there is still time.

Rick's comment: Hi Anonymous - WOW! We've never heard that before!! Thanks for letting us know.

Jul 13, 2019
You forgot about Sodom and Gomorrah
by: Tim

If you say it homosexuality is lately translated, you must have missed the course on Sodom and Gomorrah.

People will justify their sins until they are on their death bed. Some Catholics even have their ashes sprinkled by a homosexual priest. Wow!

Rick's comment: Hi Tim - Thanks for commenting. No, I didn't forget about Sodom and Gomorrah. I have lots of good, solid, biblical information about Genesis 19 and the Sodom story.

What really happened in Sodom?

58 Questions about Sodom

Jul 20, 2019
Heaven or hell
by: Divaaa

Straight people make gay babies

Sep 18, 2019
Seeking the truth
by: Nicole

I stumbled upon this page tonight while doing research. I was in a heterosexual relationship (married) for 18 years. Together we had 3 amazing children that continue to bless me daily. I was raised in church my whole life and it was beat into me that homosexuality is a mortal sin. My whole life I knew I was different, I had feelings that by society standards were not ok.

All that being said I finally decided to live MY truth. I am in a committed monogamous relationship with a woman and I am happier than I have ever been in my life. My children love and accept me. I am a born again spirit filled Christian and I love Jesus Christ.

My girlfriend and I go to church together every week and my children sing on the praise team. I like some of the other people above tried to "pray the gay away" for a long time. I was researching tonight to get a better understanding of exactly what the word says. I want to be pleasing to God. I feel like I am good person, if you take the "gay thing" away no one would ever doubt where I will spend eternity.

Thank you for clearing some things up for me. I think the most profound thing I read was probably the first verse I ever memorized...John 3:16 WHOSOEVER believes in HIM shall have everlasting life!!!

I’ve said that verse a thousand times in my life, but I don’t think that I ever truly let it sink in until today. He did die for ALL sins. I am not going to judge anyone who doesn’t understand and/or agree with me, all I ask is for the same respect in turn. So again thank you. God Bless All.

Rick's comment: Hi Nicole - I am so happy the information on this website is a blessing to you! Gay Christians need to be well grounded in the scriptures.

That is why I have hundreds of pages of FREE Bible studies on this website. We need to learn basic truths like, justification by faith and sanctification and eternal security and biblical, New Testament discipleship.

And, we need to be excited witnesses for Jesus and the glorious gospel of Christ.

What must I do to be saved?

Nov 11, 2023
Sin? Or not
by: Terry

I don’t follow your reasoning. So,are you saying, or believe that sex involving people of the same sex is not a sin? How does stance correlate to 1st John 3:9, Romans 6:6. Hebrews 10:26. I don’t see how that all really adds up. Thank you for your information. Terry

Rick's comment: Hi Terry - I was asked a specific question about 1 Corinthians 6:9. I answered that question in biblical, cultural, doctrinal, historical and religious context.

1 Cor 6:9 doesn't say, homosexuals will not go to heaven. The word, homosexual, shouldn't be used in the Bible because of the reasons I gave in the article on which you commented.

1 John 3:9 has nothing to do with being gay or being in a gay marriage. 1 John 3:9 is not saying it's a sin to be gay.

1 John 3:9 points out that the born again part of a Christian doesn't sin. But the flesh of a Christian is not saved and is not born again.

If we interpret 1 John 3:9 to mean Christians never sin, that is just plain silly. We all know by personal experience, that we still wrestle with sin after we get saved.

Romans 6:6 - that we should not serve sin - is different than the alleged sinless perfection of 1 John 3:9. Romans 6 is Paul's teaching on sanctification,

that because we are new creatures in Christ, power over sin, power to not live in sin, comes from God and sin and death have no more dominion over us.

Read my verse by verse commentary on Romans 6 for in depth teaching about that.

Hebrews 10:26 - Paul wrote Hebrews around AD 35, about a year after he got saved. Paul is comparing and contrasting the first covenant, law, with the second covenant, grace or, OT Law with NT Grace, Hebrews 10:9.

The idea in Hebrews 10:26 is, you weren't satisfied living under law (and you didn't keep the OT Law, John 7:19) and if you're not satisfied with NT Grace, you're out of luck because God isn't going to give you any other options - there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

So to answer your question - No, I am not saying: Sex involving people of the same sex is not sin. I answered the question I was asked about 1 Corinthians 6:9.

To know if it's sin or not, we have to know more details. Are the two people having sex in a marriage relationship?

If gay marriage is illegal where they live, are they in a committed relationship which is recognized by their family, their friends and their community?

Are they have drunken, drug-addled recreational sex with no commitment except fleshly lust? That would be sin.

I provide more detailed answers about sexual issues in the Gay FAQ.

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