What does 'You shall not lie with a man as with a woman' mean?
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John MacArthur says
the context is temple prostitution
It means that what Moses is describing is the sinfulness of using sex to worship goat idols, Leviticus 17:7 or to worship Ashtoreth, the fertility goddess consort of Molech. Lev 18:21-22 makes it clear that worshiping false gods is sinful activity. This biblically and histor-ically accurate explanation is often dismissed as gays making excuses for our sinful lives. In case that is what you believe, here are some pages which will help you accurately determine context.1. How do you interpret Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, man should not lay with man?
2. Lev 17:7 and goat idols, part 1
3. Lev 17:7 and goat idols, part 2
4. What are shrine prostitutes?
Honest Christians must go beyond surface impressions. Did you know that conservative Bible expositor and mega-church pastor John MacArthur believes the context of Leviticus 18:21-22 IS cult temple shrine prostitution
? For any thinking Christian, that indicates that our gay Christian belief is not historical revisionism by gays. It is the fact-based result of believing what the Bible says, in context. John MacArthur believes that all gay sexual relationships are sinful yet here is what he says about the context of Leviticus 18:21-22.
John MacArthur says the
context is temple prostitution
"Judah’s syncretistic worship was reflected in the practice of swearing by the Lord and, at the same time, by Milcom, who may be either the Ammonite deity of 1 Kings 11:5, 33 or Molech, the worship of whom included child sacrifice, astrology and temple prostitution (cf. Lev. 18:21
; 2 Kin 17:16; Ezek 23:37; Amos 5:25, 26; Acts 7:40-43)."The MacArthur Bible Commentary,
by John MacArthur, 2005, Thomas Nelson Publishers, Nashville, p. 1038.
Notice that even someone as fiercely anti-gay as John MacArthur, pastor of Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, CA, admits in writing that Leviticus 18:21-22 is describing temple prostitution. In plainer words, the context was NOT gays, was not gay marriage, was not homosexuality.
If you reject the fact-based biblical cultural historical religious context which even anti-gay leaders concede, I wonder why? What biblical cultural historical religious facts do you possess which cause you to believe the issue 3500 years ago in Israel was homosexuality?
Most anti-gay Christians who reject the truth about Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 have not done much study on the topic. They're going on guesswork and baseless assumptions instead of facts.
Rob Gagnon says the
context is cult prostitution
Dr. Rob Gagnon is not a supporter of gay rights. Like John MacArthur, he believes all gay relationships are sinful. Instead of being a negative, that lends weight to their testimony about the context of Lev 18:22. Dr. Gagnon informs us that most of the homo-sex going on in Israel at the time Leviticus was written around 1450 BC, was cult prostitute sex.
"I do not doubt that the circles out of which Lev 18:22 was produced had in view homosexual cult prostitution, at least partly. Homosexual cult prostitution appears to have been the primary form in which homosexual intercourse was practiced in Israel
." The Bible And Homosexual Practice,
Dr. Gagnon devotes more than ten pages of his anti-gay book to proving that the problem Lev 18:22 and 20:13 addressed WAS cult shrine temple prostitution. Dr. Gagnon earned degrees from Dartmouth, Harvard and Princeton. He is a tenured professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary. If you disagree with him about the context of Lev 18:22, what facts support your disagreement? What do you know about the context that he does not know? Just the facts ma'am. Just the facts.
Are you an honest Christian?
At this point, doesn't it make sense for honest anti-gay Christians to re-evaluate their view about the context of this verse? When even anti-gay scholars tell you the context is cult shrine temple prostitution, wise disciples of Jesus go with what the Bible says in context, regard- less of what they used to believe. Honest people deal in facts, not opinion. Are you willing to be honest, dear reader?
When leading anti-gay Christians like John MacArthur and Robert Gagnon admit that the context in Levicitus was cult shrine temple prostitution, that's an important admission. Both men still use Lev 18:22 and 20:13 as if those verses refer to homosexuality but at least they're honest enough to admit in writing that the real context is cult or temple prostitution.
In my opinion, their income and their standing in their respective religious communities is tied to them vociferously denouncing homosexuality. So in spite of the fact that they know the truth and have put the truth in writing, they keep beating the anti-gay horse. Pray for them to repent and get right with God on this issue.
Just so we're clear...
The issue in 1450 BC Israel, Leviticus 17:7, 18:3, 21-22 and 20:2, 3, 4, 5, 13, was people using sex to worship goat idols and false gods. The issue was NOT lesbianism. The issue was NOT homosexuality. The issue was NOT bisexuals. The issue was NOT trans-gendered people. The issue was NOT two men or two women falling in love and covenanting to spend their lives together. Git it? Get it? Got it!
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