Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians?

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No, Romans 1:26 does NOT condemn lesbians. Some anti-gay Christians believe Paul is condemning lesbian sexuality because of Romans 1:26.

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" - Romans 1:26

Anti-gay Christians arrive at their false conclusion because of other false beliefs they hold. For example, they believe that Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 condemn both gay male and lesbian female relationships even though females/lesbians are not mentioned in those verses.

Ancient Jews did NOT understand Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 as prohibitions of lesbianism.

Anti-gay Christians assume that since Paul was brought up in the Jewish faith, he must have interpreted Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 the same way anti-gay Christians interpret them today, as universal proscriptions of all homosexual behavior, including lesbian behavior.

So when they get to Romans 1:26, they interpret "against nature" to mean lesbianism and nothing but lesbianism. According to their opinion, Paul couldn't possibly have been referring to any of the against nature behaviors listed on this page. 

Scripture only settles matters
about which it speaks plainly.

The anti-gay interpretation of Romans 1:26 was not the view of many Greek-speaking Christians in the first three centuries of the early church. The anti-gay interpretation does not fit the rest of scripture since lesbians are NEVER condemned in the Old Testament or anyplace in the New Testament. Isn't that interesting?

Here's a fascinating look at the meaning of Romans 1:26 from Jeramy's helpful website.

"While Romans 1:18-32 is the primary text used from the New Testament by those people who condemn homosexuality, that interpretation has not always been the interpretation of this passage. 

For example, verse 26, which is the only verse in Scripture which is often interpreted today to refer to lesbian sexuality, is often used to round out the beliefs of those who condemn all homosexuality as sin, since all of the other alleged condemnations of homosexuality specifically refer to male-male behavior, linguistically excluding female-female behavior. 

Looking back at early interpreters of this verse, while some have believed that this verse referred to lesbians (John Chrysostom), many key church leaders have not held this view, such as Clement of Alexandria and Saint Augustine, who believed this to be anal or oral sex between heterosexuals (Brooten, 1985; Miller, 1995). 

*** One early Christian writer, Anastasios, clearly dismisses the view that Paul was referring to lesbianism in his comments on Romans 1:26:

Clearly they (the females referred to in Romans 1:26) do not go into one another, but rather offer themselves to the men. (Brooten, 1996, p. 337n)

*** Augustine continues this line of thought (fairly explicitly):

But if one has relations even with one's wife in a part of the body which was not made for begetting children, such relations are against nature and indecent. In fact, the same apostle earlier said the same thing about women, "For their women exchanged natural relations for those which are against nature."  quoting Romans 1:26 (Marriage and Desire, 20.35)"

Shrine Prostitution

There is however, ONE female sexual practice which IS condemned in the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 23:17-18, which is linked to Gentile idolatry and which perfectly fits Paul’s "against nature" argument.

That sexual practice is female shrine prostitution, using sex to worship Ashtoreth, the fertility goddess consort of the male fire-god Molech.

Qedesha-female shrine prostitutes, are mentioned in Genesis 38:21-22, Deuteronomy 23:17, and Hosea 4:14. It better fits the context of Paul's argument in Romans 1:26 (idolatry) to understand that Paul is referring to the illicit sexual practice of female shrine prostitutes who serviced men than that, suddenly and unaccountably, with no Biblical basis from the Old Testament, Paul injects into his teaching against idolatry, a one verse condemnation of lesbians, (which is unrelated to idolatry) and which is without any basis in the Old Testament.

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Nov 28, 2009
by: Jason

Don't agree with any of it. Living in sin, same as speeding every day. No regrets, no spirit of God

Dec 11, 2009
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow Jason, you're so quick to condemn others as "living in sin" when you don't even know us.

Are you always so closed-minded? Your mind is already made up so don't confuse you with facts, right?

When you approach the Bible with an anti-gay agenda, your agenda gets in the way of receiving God's truth.

Feb 11, 2010
Don´t see how you can write all this
by: The Dude

Condemnation of homosexuality does appear in both the new and old testiment. God hates the sin however loves the sinner

Feb 11, 2010
Why do you refuse to read and study?
by: Rick Brentlinger

Asserting that the Bible condemns homosexuality without any verses which, in context, support your assertion, is just silly posturing.

Asserting that God hates the sin but loves the sinner is more of the same.

I hope at some point you will grow up, stop parroting what someone told you and base your opinions on what the Bible says, in context.

Feb 23, 2010
Only time will tell
by: Anonymous

I don't blame God or my parents for being born gay, nor will I blame any of you for judging as you do, remember this:

"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man?you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself?that you will escape the judgment of God?"

But I am sure those of you who do judge are perfect, so you have nothing to be concerned about.

Sep 05, 2010
gay life style
by: Anonymous

Don't over look the prime reason for the destruction of Sodom. The gay men tried to have ungodly sexual relations with the angels. Wow! J Jesus loves you no matter what your sin. But just call sin, sin and ask for forgiveness.

Sep 05, 2010
Time for you to get a clue
by: Rick Brentlinger

Your faulty assumptions about the meaning of Genesis 19 demonstrate your lack of understanding.

I encourage you to "get a clue" by reading the truth. People who reject truth have an unfixable problem.

What really happened in Sodom?

Feb 20, 2011
End the Condemnation
by: NJel

What happened in Sodom wasn't "gay sex" it was dominative "prison rape". The people of these cities hated foreigners and frequently established dominion over them. In addition to that, they did not love their neighbors, refusing to help the poor or give to the needy. Their love had grown cold just as Jesus predicts will happen in the last days also.

Not only that, but Jesus says that if he had done the same things in Sodom as he was doing in his day then even they would have been saved. There are no recorded documents of Jesus turning gay men straight; thus, we are to conclude that what would've saved Sodom wasn't turning them straight, but getting them to know God and know what it means to exercise God's love.

Romans 1:26 doesn't condemn lesbians. Simple as that. While many are content in being able to condemn gays, they are not true students of scripture otherwise they would actually STUDY the Bible and not just memorize what's on the surface pages. The letter kills but the spirit gives life, and the scripture predicts that a great many will depart from the faith. Why? Because people WANT to be able to condemn others.

Mar 14, 2011
Get it straight
by: Anonymous

God created the Earth with perfection, and everything was made with purpose. Trees, bodies of water, herbs, etc keep us alive. In keeping with perfection and His plan, He created man. Then, God created woman to be his perfect partner. Their bodies were created with a perfect design and purpose. Sexually, there is a perfect fit. From their union, babies were born, It takes a male and a female to create a family, which was meant to be the most powerful single unit on Earth,
Let's get real. God didn't create Adam and Bruce, or Eve and Eva. Homosexuality is a choice of certain people who are more interested in self more than God. Homosexuality, as described in the Bible, is an "abomination". Is that clear enough? I don't condemn you. However, you do need prayer. I will also pray for those who you have deceived. Stop the mission for homosexuality and seek the real truth from God. Stop quoting men, quote Jesus.

Mar 15, 2011
by: George

My oh my, how easy it is to be blinded. Where on earth does it say homosexuality is an abomination, or fags are or dykes or queers or whatever else you want to throw out there. Ignore the facts misinterpret words for YOUR agenda. Jesus says watch out for false prophets. Think you have that covered , look in a mirror. Leviticus 18:22 lol, that sall you have look up what toevah is defined as and educate not discriminate.

Mar 16, 2011
Truth is more important than your opinions
by: Rick Brentlinger

to Anonymous Get it straight-

Don't you have the spiritual courage to put your name with your Comment?

No verse in the Bible describes homosexuality as abomination. If you disagree its because you haven't bothered to study the Bible in context.

Have you studied the words used in the Hebrew Old Testament which are translated abomination in our English Bibles? Why not?

The truth is, you are the one with the anti-gay agenda; you are the one promoting a lie. I hope you will wake up and get right with God. Your unloving criticism of your gay brothers and lesbian sisters is unbecoming of a real Christian.

Mar 16, 2011
Pet your seeing eye dog, George
by: Rick Brentlinger

It's so funny when anti-gay christians leave comments accusing us of being blind. I'm of the opinion that you are probably blinder than a bat backing in backwards concerning spiritual things, based on your comment.

Without ever studying the clobber passages in context, without any intelligent grasp of the cultural, doctrinal, linguistic, literary, historical or religious context, you feel qualified to accuse us of being wrong.

I hope your ignorance is not permanent. If you love Jesus, will you obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and "study to shew thyself approved unto God... rightly dividing the word of truth?"

To rightly divide the word means, interpret verses in context.

And about abomination, please check this out: Why did God call men having sex with each other abomination?

Jun 20, 2011
Exodus International??
by: Nikki

I just read all of the information that you provided regarding the Exodus International programs. IF your claims are correct as to their rules during therapy, it is shocking, and I, for one, can tell you that Exodus International has NO CLUE what they are talking about.

I am a very FEMININE (by society's standards) GAY woman. My sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with being masculine in ANY way. I LOVE being a feminine woman, but I also love and cherish my feminine woman companion. There are MANY feminine lesbians as well as masculine gay men out there.

Being gay is not about being masculine or feminine, although there are gay women who are masculine and gay men who are feminine, it is not the majority by any stretch of the imagination.

IF EI TRULY knew what it meant to be gay, they would recognize it is not outward appearance or hobbies that makes one gay. How ignorant can people be in 2011?

Aug 22, 2011
by: Anonymous


Aug 22, 2011
Sorry you're so confused
by: Rick Brentlinger

Thanks, I think, for sharing your confused thoughts with us. Obviously you were unable to deal with God's truth in context, so you decided to change the subject. That's typical of people who oppose truth.

Oct 25, 2011
i really dont get this
by: Anonymous

i read leviticus 18:22-24 i dont suppose ive seen anything about not against it either.i have a friend whos homo.someone give me a non confusing answer please.

Oct 25, 2011
These Links should help un-confuse you
by: Rick Brentlinger

Here are four helpful Links which I hope will un-confuse you.

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13

Who is Jesus?

What must I do to be saved?

What is justification by Faith?

Oct 27, 2011
fornication is condemned
by: Anonymous

any sex outside of marriage is sin
women cannot marry
and is not the biblical view of marriage (regardless of what some secular places practice)
then lesbian SEX is sin
just as any sex outside of marriage, hetero or homo
its simple

Oct 29, 2011
Grace and common sense are always helpful
by: Rick Brentlinger

I encourage you to review your strange absolutist thought process. To help you with that, I provide the answer to your dilemma with these thoughts about gay marriage.

Nov 22, 2011
If God Created Everything...
by: Mark

In reference to Anonymous' comment on March 14th
Get it straight
by: Anonymous

He/she claims that God created everything, birds, trees, water, etc.. Indeed did not God create everything and everyone? If that is true, then he also created gays. Who are we to argue with the creator?

If gays are part of his divine plan, just like everyone else, then we should accept them too.

And if your too stubborn to accept that, them remember this: Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

I don't think it's a sin to be who you are, but if that is the way YOU feel, then you should still accept them. (And love the sinner) instead of all this hate mongering.

There are no DIRECT, for absolutely sure, stories about homosexuals in the bible. The references people go on about are open to interpretation. Many scholars now believe that those references have nothing to do with gays.

If you can forgive murderers, thief's, adulterers, etc.. Why can't you forgive and forget gays?

Talk about being two faced! You should be ashamed of yourselves!

Dec 02, 2011
keep reading please brother
by: ChildofYahweh

Another goofy comment based on ignorance:

You forgot to mention the next verse 27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

This clearly speaks against homosexuality and in Leviticus the penalty for homosexuality is death.

Brothers, I ask you to not change the word of god to make it fit your own fleshly desires. God and Jesus love you and I know that full well, but one cannot be cleansed of sins if one unrepentant towards them. We all sin.. all fall short of the glory of god... I am not above you but beside you in sin... and I hope to be beside you in the second resurrection, please I plead! please repent and pray for strength. Your Loving Brother in Christ

Jan 30, 2012
What is this??
by: Me.

I believe that God loves all of us. I am bi and I am a christian. I believe that as long as you love God and put no other man or woman before him, ask for him to forgive you of your wrongs, you will go to heaven.

Feb 07, 2012
by: Anonymous

Rick's comment: This is incredibly dumb but I'm publishing it to give insight into the kind of fruit-loops comments we get so often from people who refuse to interpret scripture, in context.


Feb 08, 2012
Please read more carefully
by: Michael

Rick's comment: If you'll take a moment to look on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says, you'll see that we've read and studied these verses a lot more carefully than you and we've published the results of our study on this website for all to see.

Michael writes: The sin that I worry about the most for you is not the homosexuality. While that is a sin, it is the same as any other sexual sin. The one that I worry about is the fact that you are removing entire passages from the Bible by saying that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality ever in the Old Testament.

Please read Leviticus 18:19-23, but more specifically verse 22.

Also, read Leviticus 20:10-21, but more specifically verse 13.

These are straightforward instances in which God condemns homosexuality along with multiple other forms of sexual sin.

I am concerned that you will all look at this with a tainted view of trying to defend yourselves. I have no desire to condemn anybody, but I do have a strong desire to bring people correctly to Christ. Please reconsider your position on this. Read with an open mind desiring to do God's will only completely selflessly.

May 24, 2012
Lesbian relationships
by: Anonymous

Why do people judge lesbians?

Rick's comment: 1. Because it is human nature to criticize what they don't understand. And, they have never learned how to exercise Biblical judgment.

2. Because many of the people who judge lesbians are not saved.

May 31, 2012
Facts not quite right
by: Matt

Well, You mentioned Romans 1:26 where it references females trading natural for unnatural relations. You left out the next sentence in Romans 1:27, that makes the meaning of the first sentence perfectly clear,

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

Men were condemned for their desire towards other men and women were "in the same way" condemned for their desire towards other women. Not anti-gay by the way but just like facts to be honestly stated.

Rick's comment: The honest truth is, Romans 1:26-27 is about idolatry and temple prostitution, not lesbians and gay men.

I deal extensively with Romans 1:27. These links are a helpful starting point.

How can we be sure what Paul was talking about in Romans 1?

Romans 1.

Jun 21, 2012
What do you mean to study scripture in context?
by: Anonymous

what do you mean when you say to study the scripture "in context"? i don't understand.

Rick's comment: Great question! Studying scripture in context means to keep in mind who the Bible was written to, when it was written, who wrote it, what he intended to convey, how the original hearers and readers understood it.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

Rightly dividing the word of truth is studying scripture in context. For example, Leviticus tells about the animal sacrifices the children of Israel offered for their sins.

Leviticus is truth but it is NOT for us to practice today. We are not the children of Israel. We are not living in the Holy Land. We are not under the Old Testament Law. We are not living many centuries before the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Old Testament Jews were on the law side of Calvary.

We are Christians in the age of grace. We are saved by grace without any works because Jesus is our ultimate Sacrifice for sins. When Jesus died on the cross, there was no longer any need to offer animal sacrifices. We are on the grace side of Calvary.

Jun 22, 2012
RE: "in context"
by: Anonymous

okay. so who were they talking to or what situation were they in when referring to Romans 1:26 and 1 Corinthians 6:9?

Rick's comment: They were talking about shrine prostitutes or temple prostitutes, NOT gays and lesbians. Be sure to visit the text links too.

Romans 1:26-27

1 Cor 6:9 - malakoi

1 Cor 6:9 - arsenokoitai

Jul 30, 2012
Not sure, but maybe this helps.
by: Brandon

I have mixed feelings about the passages in question (Romans 1: 26-27). I have looked at the passages, and at first glance I don't feel comfortable with the interpretations you conclude with. I have looked at various interpretations on various websites, and both the conservative and liberal interpretations aren't very satisfying to me. However, the thing that convinces me that these verses are probably cultural and not permanant, is the fact that when we look at passages concerning roles of women in society, we Christians easily dismiss them as cultural, even though they have LESS of a cultural basis than the Romans 1 passages.

For example:

6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.7 A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own[c] head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.

This passage seems to have LESS of a cultural meaning than the Romans verses, but yet people dismiss this as cultural but not the Romans verses, despite them having references to temple prostitution. Therefore, these passages help to convince me that if something seems cultural, it may very well be, because we know that some other things mentioned in the Bible are.

I hope this helps in your search for truth, Rick. This may be helpful in spreading non-bigoted interpretations.

Sep 22, 2012
Lesbians are not Gay:

First; how does a man substitute a man for a woman? By sodomy.
Second; likewise, women aren’t to engage in this behavior. Be sodomized.
Homosexuality is misnomer; same genders cannot have sex.
Petting, kissing, and sucking one another is natural, also is masturbation.
Men don’t drop seeds when they masturbate; they drop semen.
The Most High doesn’t care about natural play; but about unhealthy and reckless behavior.
Bastard making, dead beat dads, divorce, perverse coveting, and arrogance.
A woman’s sexual responsibility does not change if she’s a lesbian, and so it is a non-issue.
But men who drop their seeds, and commit sodomy are detrimental, to themselves and others.
Equating lesbianism with sodomy is beyond offensive; both biblically and socially.

Rick's comment: Peter, may I encourage you to wear a hat from now on when you spend a lot of time in left field? The sun is overheating your brain. Many thanks.

Oct 22, 2012
Artificial Insemination
by: Anonymous

By the first word in it, that it is clearly against nature is it not? Something invented by man not by God? Therefore lesbians cannot get pregnant by natural means unless they commit adultery against their partner. Man has a penis so that he may put his seed in a woman, his wife. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. I understand that 2 males is considered spilling of the seed and symbolic of loss of like. But if 2 woman have sex, can a baby be born? No, because the egg cannot be fertilized and therefore is also a symbolic loss of life. Just as is a woman's period. For the egg is not fertilized and purged from the woman's body, a symbolic loss of life.

Rick's comment: Another chapter in, Adventures in Missing the Point. Ignoring all of the evidence AND the context is NOT the best way to figure out what Romans 1:26 is talking about.

"For this cause..." - Romans 1:26.

What cause? Idolatry, which Paul has described in vs. 18-25. Because of idolatry, worshiping false gods and goddesses, God gave them over to what they wanted to do, which was, use their bodies in service to false gods.

Paul's point in the first century and his point today has nothing to do with biological reproduction.

Hope this is helpful. Thanks for stopping by.

Nov 02, 2012
by: Sonja

The bible clearly says that you need to be born again to see the kingdom of God, so until you are born again you will not understand the bible, until your spiritual eyes is open. Being born again means you must be born of water and spirit. Read John 3. You must accept God as your savior, then be baptized with water, then with the Holy Spirit. Then you will have a total change of mind on how you see God's word and the world.
Then ask yourself will a murderer still murder after having this encounter with God?
Then ask the same question about homosexuality.

Rick's comment: Hi Sonja - We agree that everyone must be born again. Until one gets saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone (water baptism and joining a church are not part of that transaction), they cannot understand the Bible.

But it is silly to compare homosexuals to murderers. That displays appalling ignorance or blind prejudice. Very odd indeed coming from a professing christian.

Jan 04, 2013
Its interesting to read through these comments.
by: Anonymous

So, are all of you without sin and live clean and sin-free lives? I didn't think that was possible. There was one guy who was perfect and he explained this thoroughly. He wrote a pretty good book. You should really read it cover to cover next time.

Jan 15, 2013
We All Have A Choice
by: Keith

Peace and Blessings to you my brother. Let me 1st say that I have nothing against anyone whether gay, straight or bi. I have been reading your website for the past 2 hours and I can tell that you are a man that loves The Lord dearly. I am however, concerned with your interpretations of scripture and it appears you are operating with some bias. Romans 1:18-32 clearly covers the issue.

Rick's comment: I hope you'll familiarize yourself with the context of Romans 1 so that we're all on the same page. Romans 1 is clearly NOT about anyone who is gay.

There are definitely many false teachers parading around condemning the gay community and they will be judged accordingly for that. But it is equally wrong for you to teach false doctrine to our fellow brothers and sisters. Sex outside of marriage is wrong.

Rick's comment: You're narrowly defining marriage as a ceremony between a man and a woman. Yet in the Bible, marriage is when flesh joins flesh, Genesis 2:24, 1 Cor 6:16.

It goes against Gods law plain and simple. Anything stated other than that is false teaching. You cannot justify it. It feels right for me to hate those that mock me and treat me poorly but it goes against Gods law. We are not allowed to have sex with the same sex. Thats it.

Rick's comment: Keith, every time you say we're not allowed to have sex with the same sex, you're basing that on verses you take out of context because if you left the verses in context, you know they are not talking about gays and lesbians. Those verses are talking about temple prostitutes. It is wrong to rip verses out of context to "prove" your opinion.

Jan 16, 2013
smh - you ought to be ashamed
by: niki34

I pray against the lies and heresies of this blog. rick you are indeed a false prophet & will have a lot of people blood on your are indeed preaching another Gospel smh

Rick's comment: I'm shaking my head at your comments Niki34. Since when do you get to ignore what the Bible says in context and then insist that the Bible means what you think it means?

Since when do you get to rip verses out of context and then insist that the out of context verses mean what you think they mean without regard to context?

I'm going to insist that you memorize 2 Timothy 2:15 and Ephesians 4:25 this week. And I encourage you to apply those wonderful verses EVERY time you read the Bible. Many thanks.

Feb 02, 2013
the truth
by: Anna T

Does it at all worry you, that every single commentator out there except for you interprets the Bible correctly: going against the woman's natural use IS lesbian acts IS sin. We do not hate you: I have family struggling with this sin. But it is a sin that needs to be fought against. Praying for all the people you have deceived through this website.

Rick's comment: Ignoring what the Bible says in context does not make you right. Repeating a lie does not make it truth. You need to start loving God's truth instead of attacking your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

Feb 03, 2013
Anna is confused? And so is everybody else?
by: Brandon

I don't understand Anna's comment. Two fallacious statements are presented.

1. There are actually many other people who believe what Rick believes. In fact they even go beyond that and find eternal Biblical principles to back their interpretations. (I'm sure Rick has some, they just aren't presented here.) So it is not everyone vs. Rick.

2. You committed a major logical fallacy. REGARDLESS of whether or not homosexuality is a sin or not, you CANNOT assert that a statement is true because many people believe it (or as you said, everyone but Rick). If homosexuality is a sin, it is because God said it is, not because 72% of Christians said so. Likewise, if it is not a sin, it is because God says it is not a sin, not because 28% of Christians say so (That would be a fallacious reversal).

Another thing I noticed is that nobody really debates with Rick. They all just say he is wrong and warn him of imminent doom. If Rick is wrong, then you need to explain why. I will not preclude the possibility that Rick and I are wrong, after all, the Bible isn't ENTIRELY straightforward about this.

But just because you are in the majority, it doesn't give you the right to be lazy, nor does it give you an excuse from researching. If we are going to find out who's right about this, there can't be any "special benefits" for any party when it comes to debating. Meaning, that one side can't assume they are right, without looking into the matter themselves.

Rick's comment: Amen Brother Brandon! You are a blessing!

Mar 05, 2013
Your Logic
by: Anonymous

If we use your logic Jesus did not speak to the issue of incest, rape, drug abuse, wife beating, and gay-bashing. Are we to conclude that these acts are morally good?

Rick's comment: Truth is about reading the Bible in context. It is dishonest to assume that your view of Romans 1:26 is correct when historically, your view has NOT been the view of most Christians for the last 2000 years.

Why are you unable to be honest about what the Bible says? Why do you dodge and evade the truth as it is in Jesus? How long will you avoid the truth?

The topic in Romans 1 is idolatry, not two gay gals or two gay guys. How can you read Romans 1 and miss that? You are attempting to refute what I have written with sophomoric illogic instead of grappling with what the Bible says in context.

It is time for you to grow up and get serious about God's truth. And please, find some moral courage somewhere and start using your real name when you comment.

Mar 24, 2013
Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians? Yes...
by: Maryland

I just like to say that if you even have to ask the question about Romans 1:26 of what God say about lesbians, gays, it is all Homosexuality this is sin and the wages of sin is death in the Lake of Fire when you die and leave the Earth. Yes Jesus Christ died for our Sins, so that we will repent and be saved from Hell's Fire. People are in the lust of there flesh, it is not love. When people get angry about others not going alone with the sin that they are living in they get mad because deep down in there soul they know that they are wrong. Real Christians that study the Bible know right from wrong. If God said it is wrong it is wrong. You all know that you are wrong, it is the Sin. Jesus came to give us a way out not to live in Sin to be casted into the Lake of Fire at that day. Yes God love you, but do you love Him to do the right thing and be a discipline for righteousness, God will deliver you if you want to be delivered. This is the End of the Ages. I am concerned about your soul, God don't want any person to be lost. I am just trying to let you know the truth. God made man and woman. It this was the way God wanted people to live this way, he would have made two men, or two women. And He would not have said to full the Earth. Two Men and Two Women can not product anything. Stop and think about this, God will make you free the truth. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the Life is in Him.

Rick's comment: If you come to the Bible to prove your anti-gay presuppositions, you will ignore context, as you have done. If you have an anti-gay axe to grind, you will use kindergarten illogic to prove your point, as you have done.

Your assignment this week is to look up and memorize 2 Timothy 2:15. Then, every time you read the Bible, obey 2 Timothy 2:15. Part of growing as a Christian is learning to read the Bible in context (rightly dividing the word).

Spiritually speaking, you are stuck where you are and further growth is impossible until you start reading the Bible in context. Many thanks for stopping by.

May 06, 2013
by: Anonymous

From the beginning God created everything for a purpose, to produce everything after it kind. HOMOSEXUAL SEX CAN NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING BUT SIN When can bring forth brith then i will know its God.

Rick's comment: Four questions please.

1. For what purpose did God create celibate people?

2. For what purpose did God create infertile and sterile people?

3. For what purpose did God create elderly people who are past child-bearing years?

4. Since they cannot and do not reproduce after their kind, where does that leave your argument?

May 22, 2013
Things to Ponder
by: Troy

There were many abominations in the Old Testament. WHY are there no Christians picketing Red Lobsters around the country in disgust of the shameful act of eating shrimp?? This is an abomination to God!!!

Why are there no Christians picketing stores that sell clothes made from two different types of fabric??? This is an abomination to God!!

If you keep Paul's statements in Romans in context, you will discover that Paul is talking to self-righteous Christians like many today. The people he's writing to are still lovers of the law. They are Christians who look with disgust at the people Paul refers to. If you keep reading you'll find that Paul had them trapped in their self-righteous thinking and then laid it on the line with them. After he had them hooked he told them they were just like these people. They were just as bad. In other words, let him with no sin cast the first stone.

Anal sex was an abomination to God because it was unclean. (They didn't have condoms back then.) This says nothing about it being a sin to be a homosexual. There was no abomination against lesbian sex. It's possible, by the way, for two gay couples to love each other and not have anal sex. I think it's safe to say many married people seldom, or possibly never, have sex. If two gay people married and never had sex, I'm sure many Christians would still find fault with them.

The Bible says nothing about it being wrong for a man to love another man, or a woman to love another woman. In fact it says just the opposite. It says that Jonathan loved David more than a woman (2 Samuel 1:26) . It says the Ruth loved Naomi. She made a vow to live with Naomi the rest of her life. (It's a short book. Read it.) Naomi and Ruth eventually raised Naomi's child. Christians seem to be okay with THIS vow between two women. No one knows if they had sexual relations, and it's no one's business if they did or didn't. Christians look at heterosexual married couples and never think about them having sex. The word homosexual and heterosexual are fairly new words. They are not words that describe the total person.

And just for the record, this is another topic that is misinterpreted. The Bible does not say that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorra because it was full of homosexuals. The men of Sodom were not gay. It's absurd to think that all the men of Sodom were gay. That's not even realistic thinking. The Bible does list the sins of Sodom. Read Ezekiel 16:48. It tells you exactly what the sins of Sodom were. I'm sorry to disappoint many of you, but homosexuality was not listed as a sin. Go read it. The men of Sodom were straight men wanting to sexually ABUSE other straight men. It's a story of sexual abuse. There's another story in the Bible that parallels this story, but it was women who were sexually abused by a large group of men in a town. NO ONE uses this story to condemn heterosexuals. WHY NOT????

Think about these things.

Jun 26, 2013
by: Matt

Why are we arguing about Bible verses? Do you know that while the passages are said to have been inspired by God, that the main organization to come up with which books would be included in the Bible was the ancient Catholic church? The same church that burned people at the stakes.

Rick's comment: Hi Matt - the answer is, No, the Catholic Church did not decide which books would be included in the Bible. That decision was already being made in the mid-first century AD, long before the Catholic church existed. For example, 2 Peter 3:15-16.

"And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Peter recognized the Pauline epistles as scripture. The New Testament canon was for all intents and purposes, settled by around AD 195, as far as boots on the ground Christians were concerned. It took Catholic councils several hundred years to certify what Christians throughout the Roman empire had already certified via the guidance of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness in their hearts as to which books were inspired New Testament scripture.

Didn't Jesus go against the pharisees who only took the literal value in ancient scriptures? Follow your hearts and if you are a man who feels the burning love of his female wife, why are you concerned with anything else?

Dec 17, 2013
Fit our lives to God's word
by: fred

I dont see how it could get any clearer than Romans 1:26-My NASB version says- For this reason God gave them(who are them? them are homosexuals) Over to "Degrading Passion" For their women exchanged the "NATURAL FUNCTION" for that which is "UNNATURAL" .

Verse 22 says- Professing to be wise, they became fools. . 24 therefore, God gave them over in the lust of their hearts to "IMPURITY" 25 Says they (homosexuals) exchanged " the truth of God for a lie" and worshiped tyhe creature rather than the creator.

So far, I see Gods word has called Homosexuallity, "UNATURRAL" "IMPURITY" "FOOLS" "LIARS" AND THEY HAVE A DEPRAVED MIND. Yes, Homoseuality is a sin according to Gods word it is a sin, no matter how you paint it or how many roses you plant around it, sin is sin.

Rick's comment: Several suggestions Fred.

1. Take a couple of deep breaths and repeat to yourself: "That I believe something is true doesn't necessarily make it true."

2. Get an old KJV - it is absolutely true and therefore, more accurate than your NASB.

3. Forsake your habit of putting the word homosexual into the Bible. God NEVER put that word in the Bible.

4. Read, memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15. Doing that will radically improve your spiritual life.

Thanks for stopping by.

Dec 19, 2013
Creature than the creator?
by: Nikki

I just read Fred's comment of 12/17/13. How does the phrase: "They worshipped the creature rather than the creator" even relate to homosexuality. It was relating to the idol worship that these people were bowing down to. Fred, and so many other people don't want to acknowledge that Paul was speaking of idol worship in this passage.

Rick's comment: Great point Nikki. Even a casual reading of Romans 1 indicates that Paul's argument is about idol worship.

May 12, 2014
1 Timothy 3:2
by: Ken

Question: If Paul's understanding of sexuality was that hetero/homo sexual relationships were both allowable just as long as each were monogamous, then why doesn't 1 Timothy 3:2 tell us that an elder can be faithful to a "spouse" or "partner" instead of needing to be faithful to his (elder's) wife (original language is gender specific)? This concept can also be seen in Genesis 2:24, Mark 10:7, Matthew 19:5-6. And please, whoever answers this, don't tell me to read 2 Timothy 2:15.

Rick's comment: Hi Ken - your question seems to ignore everything in the article above. I'll attempt an answer anyway. When we study the Bible, we always factor in the biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic literary and religious context. We go by what the Bible says, in context. Paul's purpose in 1 Timothy apparently, was not to address gay issues so he didn't mention anything related to being gay.

If you are making "the husband of one wife" an ironclad rule, and reasoning, then single males cannot be pastors, that creates problems. Interpreting it that way excludes unmarried males and widowed males and divorced males. Childless males also cannot pastor and males who have rebellious wives or children cannot pastor. Do you really believe that is what Paul meant?

The point is, the Bible never makes those items ironclad rules. That is an interpretation some people impose upon the text. Your idea that if Paul thought gay marriage was okay, he would have said so in 1 Timothy 3 is not a thoughtful way to approach scripture, in my opinion. It is just an argument from silence. Better to teach the Bible word by word, line upon line, precept upon precept.

Concerning what you label gender specific language, what do you do with a verse like Romans 5:12? According to the verse, only men are sinners. Women are not mentioned as being sinners. Of course, I'm using absurdity to make a point.

Wouldn't it be easier to just accept the truth that the God who took your place on Calvary's cross, the God who arose from the dead and saved you by His grace, did not say in the Bible, what you seem to believe about gays and lesbians?

Did you notice in the Matthew 19 passage that Jesus specifically exempts gay people (eunuchs) from the Adam and Eve marriage paradigm. "All men cannot receive this saying." Isn't that interesting?

Apr 09, 2015
by: Linda

I have been a Christian for a long time. I have been battling some questions of the lack of love and hatred I see being spread by certain people. The last few years I have questioned the authenticity of hate that is taught in many churches whether it's in regards to homosexuality or interracial marriages. I found the information on this site really good.

In my own personal relationship with Christ, I just couldn't get passed the hate that so many have. I am not a homosexual, not that it matters but this site has given me the basis of study I needed for things I knew in my spirit in the beginning but was plagued with uneducated teachings. Thank you and God bless.

Apr 27, 2015
2 Timothy 2:15
by: Someone afraid to use their name

Rick's comment: Another Anonymous comment - Have you no courage? Why are you afraid to put your name with your views? Your friends at Apologetics Press seem to have overlooked these important truths. What about Jude's comments?

Rick's comment: Jesus excluded born eunuchs or gays from the Adam and Eve marriage paradigm.

Jun 29, 2015
by: Isa

If you part from the premise that the sin that Paul is talking about in Romans 1:26 is anal sex and God calls it unnatural, why would God allow it in a homosexual relation? Thank you for answering.

Rick's comment: Hi Isa - I believe that the sin Paul describes in Romans 1:26-27, is using sex to worship the fertility goddess. Paul sets up his argument in vs. 23-25 by describing idolatry. In vs. 26-27, Paul gives two examples of idolatry which every Roman would have been familiar with, Cybele worship.

Why would God allow it in a homosexual relationship?

Ancient idolatry involved both heterosexual sex and same gender sex.

No one would argue that since God disapproves of using heterosexual sex to worship false gods, then all heterosexual sex is sinful.

No one should argue that since God disapproves of same gender sex to worship false gods, then all same gender sex is sinful.

Jul 14, 2015
One problem
by: Anonymous

The apocryphal Apocalypse of Peter describes the punishment of lesbians and gay men in Hell:[15] - And other men and women being cast down from a great rock fell to the bottom, and again were driven by them that were set over them, to go up upon the rock, and thence were cast down to the bottom and had no rest from this torment. And these were they that did defile their bodies behaving as women: and the women that were with them were they that lay with one another as a man with a woman.

Rick's comment: Using an inauthentic, fake, non-cannonical book, falsely attributed to the apostle Peter, to prove that Paul is talking about lesbians in Romans 1:26, is more than strange.

1. Peter did not write the dream fantasy attributed to him by an author who lived at least 100 years after Peter died.

2. It is most assuredly not scripture, in spite of the fact that you prefer to describe it as scripture - "I do hold the belief this apocryphal text, Scripture from the Apostle Peter..."

The canonical New Testament usually mentions homosexuality in only general terms (i.e. mentioning both gays and lesbians) and both are equally convicted.[16] The only specific mention of Lesbianism is Romans 1:26, "For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature" (NKJV). - From the wikipedia page of the history of lesbianism...

Rick's comment: No - the New Testament never mentions homosexuality and never mentions lesbians. Romans 1:26 doesn't mention lesbians. If Paul wanted us to believe he was talking about lesbians, he could have used a a word which indicated lesbians.

I do hold the belief this apocryphal text, Scripture from the Apostle Peter does know better than later "saints" wandering personal interpretations about Paul's real meaning with his words.

One and only ONE Holy Spirit convincing the whole body of believers on the question of sin and righteousness, and "Sola Scriptura" apart from "tradition" validate the "conservative" understanding this passage is adressing lesbianism.

Rick's comment: The real problem, for 2000 years the Holy Spirit has not led Christians to agree that Paul was talking about lesbians in Romans 1:26 and gay men in Romans 1:27.

My humble analysis, "their women" is the subject doing the action, it is "women" exchaning natural relations for unnatural ones. How could women be the active subject, when it was men, engaging in anal / oral sex should your argument hold the truth? Later part of the verses states "in the same way also the men, leaving natural relation with the woman"

This really "nails" it, it is lesbiansim, adressed before this sentence, And the sentence falls. "Forgiveness is reserved exclusively for those who repent of sin. It’s not available to those who defend, justify or celebrate it." Amen.

Rick's comment: For more info, check out my Romans page and please be sure to click on the text links.

Jul 14, 2015
Your problem and arguing is with God
by: Anonymous

Hello, Hmmm, Where is your answer to the last part of my comment…?

Rick's comment: I have this website with more than 25 pages devoted to Romans 1. You ignore most of it and wonder why I didn't answer the last part of your comment. I did add an answer for you.

Small note, I have not posted "using" something to "prove" this or that with much of a conviction, it is not necessary. Rather I have been kindly "trying" to point out your convenient and alarming mistake, misreading, misinterpretation, including "using" strange stuff following in your footsteps, to support my generous action of correcting a fellow believer misreading of this passage of Biblical Scriptures.

So, Anastasios, Augustine? Seriously, WHY then the headline of your blog states "Sola Scriptura" and yet, your article stands on these two people "auhority", on this topic..? Your argument is void because of this, Relying on questionable "tradition" quotes.

Rick's comment: Sola scriptura has never meant that we ignore history and everything outside of the Bible. And sola scriptura never means that your opinion is right and the facts of history are wrong. Romans 1:26 is not referring to lesbians just because you prefer to believe it is.

Arguing with God? No, I am rightly dividing the word of truth in obedience to 2 Timothy 2:15.

I deleted the rest of your comment. When an Anonymous commenter accuses me of intellectual dishonesty while hiding in the shadows of Anonymity, that ends the conversation.

Jul 17, 2015
by: joyce williams

I believe in the bible not man! I don't care who he or she is. I have enough trouble of my own I love everyone. I don't believe in living and trying to be someone else, is a hard task to accomplish. It's hard enough being me, I believe God knew me before I was born. God absolutely knew what he was doing when he made me a female, and therefore I know God don't make mistakes! God bless you in Jesus Name amen.

Aug 26, 2015
Withholding informative comments is common practice here?
by: Mark

Hello again, Mr Rick Brentlinger...

I have taken on my time to provide an intelligent comment here two weeks ago, for all to inform themselves on Historical facts surrounding this verse Romans 1:26, most likely not refering to "heterosexual anal sex" as suggested here, but with plain lesbian sexual activity as is…

Rick's comment: Hi Mark - I have received 3 long comments from you on this topic. I did not post them for the following reasons.

1. They are too long and they contain your opinions and what I view as your incorrect conclusions about citations from the church fathers. I am not going to post false information here.

2. I do not go into a lot of depth in the Comments section because it is not read by a lot of people and I cannot devote much time to it, with my busy schedule.

3. This is not a free speech zone, where anti-gay folks get to post their anti-gay opinions, as you or someone else named Mark, have done quite a few times on other pages.

4. From time to time, people post long comments quoting some other website or blog and expect me to go through their long post and critique or refute it. Again, due to my busy schedule, I do not have time to do that.

5. You ignored the facts in the article I wrote and cited information which you apparently believe contradicts the article I wrote although your comments do not contradict anything in the article to which you responded. Since I do not make the assertions you attempted to contradict, there is no reason for me to spend time on it.

6. If these issues are important to you, I encourage you to start your own blog or website - there are lots of free ones available - and post your opinions, views and conclusions there.

Sep 04, 2015
doesn't it naturally follow?
by: Shane

I have a curious question in response to this thread. It seems as a starting point the author is admitting that Romans 1:26 condemns homosexuality between men, stating that it is unnatural. If God's natural order was for man to be with woman, doesn't it logically follow that God's natural order is for woman to be with man? Why would it be natural for man to be with woman but woman to be with woman?

I do find it curious that Paul speaks about women first and then mentions men in Romans, however he says EVEN women did change the natural use... seemingly insinuating that it's perverse for men to do it, but EVEN more perverse for women?

What are your thoughts?

Rick's comment: Hi Shane - When we read Romans 1 in context, it makes perfect sense. Paul does not address homosexuality at all in this chapter. Instead, he argues against idolatry. The Gentiles knew God but rejected Him and instead, worshiped idols.

Because of their idol worship, God progressively gives them up.

V. 24 - God gave them up.
V. 26 - God gave them up.
V. 28 - God gave them over.

Notice that Paul's argument is consistent. He has not jumped from arguing against idolatry to arguing against homosexuality.

Vs. 26-27 illustrate the idolatry which was part of shrine prostitution in first century Rome. Women were shrine prostitutes and engaged in the unnatural activity of prostitution. "Likewise also the men" tells us the women and men were shrine prostitutes and were doing the same idolatrous thing - using sex to worship the fertility goddess.

Romans 1 and idolatry

Sep 04, 2015
Thank you
by: Another Shane

Thank you, what about the rest of the verses from 1:28, in context :

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Rick's comment: Hi Another Shane. See this page.

Romans 1 - Verse by verse commentary.

Addressing the same Gentiles, and also happening because of the same idolatry in context, all these admittedly wrong actions, behaviors and attitudes should be perfectly fine then, should they happen outside of idol worship?

Thank you for your informed answer and insight.

Rick's comment: Hi Another Shane - Romans 1:28-31 is a vice list of sins committed by unsaved people in general and sometimes, even professing Christians commit those sins.

For example: fornication and covenant breaking. Rev. Bob Coy, founder of the megachurch, Calvary Chapel Ft. Lauderdale, had to resign after it was discovered he had adulterous affairs with multiple women for a number of years plus a porn addiction.

Rev. Tullian Tchividjian, pastor of the Ft. Lauderdale megachurch, Coral Ridge Presbyterian, resigned after his wife had an adulterous affair and then he had an adulterous affair.

For example: murder. Texas Baptist pastor Matt Baker murdered his wife so he could be with his mistress.

Houston, TX pastor Tracy Burleson murdered his wife to collect on a $60,000 life insurance policy. Google the names if you want more info.

If you truly believe the sins in those verses are "perfectly fine," you are setting yourself up for a lot of chastening from your heavenly Father (if you are saved). Wise Christians continue reading into chapter 2 and discover that Paul has set a rhetorical trap for his Jewish readers and anyone else bent on condemning people they don't like.

Jewish readers were undoubtedly shouting Amen, preach it Paul, as they read chapter one about those nasty idolatrous Gentiles. Then Paul springs his rhetorical trap by saying:

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." - Romans 2:1

If I were you, I'd be careful about insisting that Paul was describing lesbians in v. 26 and gay men in v. 27, and then condemning your gay brothers and lesbian sisters based on your false interpretation. If that is what you're doing, please reread Romans 2:1 because that is God's message to you.

What must I do to be saved?

Sep 12, 2015
by: confused, married and bi

hi Rick - I am a Christian and my husband is as well. I was always very open to homosexuality even as a Christian and have had feelings for another woman myself prior to getting married. I want so badly to believe that this is okay, but I just can't overlook this one thing:

in the bible, God defines marriage as being between one man and one woman. how, then, can we say that being gay is what God intended? further, if sex outside of marriage is sin (though many do it), and homosexuals cannot be biblically defined as "married" then again, how can we say it was ever intended or permitted?

I hope you can see that I am not trying to criticize or be a bigot; I myself struggle with thoughts of homosexuality daily and although I look for every way to justify it to myself (hence my googling and finding your website), I just can't get past the facts I mentioned above. maybe you can offer some insight?

thank you truly and sincerely,
confused, married, and bi

Rick's comment: Hi Confused - This website exists to help people wrestle with these issues. I've provided what I believe are sound biblical reasons why gay marriage and loving gay relationships are perfectly fine with God.

Contrary to what you wrote, I do not believe the Bible defines marriage as only between one man and one woman. Polygamy is an exception to one man with one woman, 2 Samuel 12:7-8 and 2 Chronicles 24:2-3.

For someone who is bi and married, modern law in western societies does not permit you to be married to a man and a woman, therefore I encourage you to obey the law and always be faithful to your husband.

My Gay Christian FAQ answers 100 questions dealing with gay, lesbian and bisexual issues.

Feb 10, 2016
by: justin

if this is true why did God destroy to places because of the homosexuality. why with fire. why not just take lot out. why destroy the place?

Rick's comment: Hi Justin - Yes, really. Contrary to what someone told you, God did NOT destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of gays or lesbians or homosexuality. Sodom was destroyed for reasons other than homosexuality - even anti-gay evangelical Christian scholars admit that.

The Bible tells us what was the sin of Sodom in Ezekiel 16:48-50.

Jun 12, 2016
Hetero marriage
by: Scott

Rick you are far off base when you say that the Bible does not specifically state that marriage is to be between "one man and one woman". Reference the following verses if you will: Gen 2:22-24, Prov 30:19, Eph 5:22-33, Mat 19:4-6 and finally 1Cor7:1-4. Hard to mis-interpret what is there.

Rick's comment: Hi Scott - None of the verses you cited says that the only kind of marriage God will accept and bless is a one man with one woman for life marriage.

God blessed other kinds of marriage in the Bible besides the Adam and Eve type of marriage.

The issue for this discussion is: Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians? Are you willing to interact with what I wrote on that topic?

Sep 01, 2016
I want to feel better about who I am but I can't
by: amh

Even after reading this I want to feel better about who I am, I just can't. I'm from a culture which is severely homophobic. Even after living in a developed country, my family hasn't changed their views. I'm a woman in my 30s and I'm attracted to the same sex but I don't want to be in a relationship with a woman where I have to hide it.

I'm not out to anyone and I don't think I ever can be. Coming out isn't an option for people of my background. I know several men who are gay who've entered into a marriage of convenience with lesbians to placate their families and then have same sex relationships behind their families back.

I've thought about doing this, even going as far as finding a gay guy who also wanted a marriage of convenience. But i couldn't do it because it just felt like such a farce and i didn't want to fool around with women like that.

At this point in my life I just feel alone and depressed when I think about the fact that I'll be alone for the rest of my life. I've thought about suicide many times, even planning it quite extensively to make it look like an accident. I've held off because it's such a big sin. At this point I'm just tired of living each day and every day I wish it were my last.

Every morning when I leave my house I hope I don't come back, I'm done with life. I don't even know why I'm commenting here, maybe because I'm emotionally drained and I want someone to know (not that it makes a difference).

Rick's comment: Hi amh - I appreciate the honesty in your comment. Please know that many gays and lesbians have experienced the same feelings AND have gone on to have a joyful life serving God with their partner.

Since your feelings come, in large part, from the severely homophobic culture in which you grew up, it will take time to learn what the Bible really says and doesn't say about gays and lesbians.

We tend to internalize the negative messages we get about gays and it is not easy to unlearn those messages. That is one reason I have this website - so people can learn God's truth instead of Satan's lies.

It may help you to move to a gay friendly place where you can be out and honest about who you are, where you don't have to hide.

Some gays and lesbians stay in the closet their entire life because they don't want the disapproval of their homophobic family.

I encourage you not to waste your life that way. Your family should not control your life and you should not sacrifice your happiness on the altar of their bigotry.

Is there any way you can move to another state or another country where you will be free to be open and honest?

Can you explain how to get saved?

If you're a gay Christian, does God still love you?

Sep 02, 2016
Thanks for replying
by: amh

Hey Rick, Thanks for replying, it meant a lot that you did. To answer your question I could move away from them, but I don't want to be come out and then hide it from my family. I just can't take any more deception. The only way I can see myself in a relationship with a woman is with the approval of my mom and dad. Me coming out would probably kill my parents, I can't do that to them. It's not that they're bad people, it's just the culture that made them homophobic. In fact me being unmarried in my 30s is a huge issue in itself in my community, but my parents support me now. I've told them that I'm asexual and though they're really disappointed they're trying to support me. In a way it's true I'm asexual since I've sort of completely repressed my sexuality. There doesn't seem to be a solution for my problem. Thanks for listening anyway and taking the time to reply. I hope you pray for me.

Rick's comment: God bless you amh - He will show you what He wants you to do - Ephesians 2:10.

Feb 09, 2018
At the risk of being crucified
by: love trumps all

Stumbled on this thread after having this discussion and I have read the comments. First, I'm not gay, I'm Jewish by blood, and believe the man yeshua bar Joseph was the Messiah. I consider myself a fundamentalist Christian, I just have a different view of the fundamentals.

Rick's comment: Jesus the "son" of Joseph - not the physical son since Joseph was not the biological earthly father of Jesus.

A rabbi, considered to be the wisest of was asked once, what does it all mean? His answer. .. Love g'd with all your heart, love your fellow man.

Rick's comment: A rabbi? That would be God in the flesh, 1 Timothy 3:16, the Lord Jesus Christ in Matthew 22:36-40.

When we are discussing these things we should ask ourselves this my position flowing from live? Righteous and self righteous are vary different.

So...I agree with the authors on their interpretation. The original interpreters assumed lesbianism us unnatural, but the Torah never specifically forbids it. It DOES specifically forbid sex with animals, and it is far more likely this is what was condemned as unnatural.

Rick's comment: Leviticus 18:21-22 condemns shrine prostitutes - people who used sex and imitative magic to worship false gods.

The scripture in question here, goes to great lengths to describe male homosexuality, and could have done so with women, but does not.

Rick's comment: By here I assume you mean Romans 1:26-27, which was the topic of the article. Romans 1:26-27 has nothing to do with male homosexuality. It's about shrine prostitution. Paul makes that clear by three times quoting the Tanakh in his Romans 1 argument against idolatry.

First - Psalm 81:12 - "so I gave them up" - Romans 1:24

Second - 1 Kings 14:16 - "he shall give Israel up" - Rom 1:26

Third - 2 Chron 30:7 - "gave them up" - Romans 1:28

The sermon Paul heard in Acts 7 before he got saved stuck with him for the rest of his life and impacted what he wrote in Romans 1 because he alluded to God giving Israel up three times.

Stephen preached in Acts 7:42 - "then God turned and gave them up"

Love each other, be good humans...let g'd worry about being g'd. His greatest condemnation of jobs friends, was for quoting the law...instead of being good friends. Have a great day.

Rick's comment: The book of Job was written around the 1900 to 1700 BC time frame, 300 to 500 years before Moses wrote the Torah, therefore Job was not quoting the law of Moses.

When was the book of Job written?

Don't worry about being a good human. Romans 4:5 tells us that God justifies the ungodly. Being good has nothing to do with getting saved.

What must I do to be saved?

Dec 12, 2018
I would like to show my point of view
by: Tyler

I have read this website and everyone's comments and concerns. I am gay, I like other men. Some Christians see is as a choice. thats not true if I could be normal I would. What People need to know is that god said we must be true to are selves. I have struggled being gay and liking other men. I have wondered if im going to go to hell because of it. People will gt mad saying you r gay and your wrong yet they forget not to judge. Christians will say that its wrong and wont explain with evidence. Here is my honest Question do you think god will make you suffer in hell just because you feel for the same sex even if they don't want to. You cant go and repent and the feeling will go away. So my fellow Christians if you deem yourself to judge us what should I do? And Remember this you may judge me but god will also judge you, and your sins.

Rick's comment: Hi Tyler - thanks for commenting and a blessed Merry Christmas to you.

Nov 03, 2019
Clearly talking about homosexuality?
by: Hey

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." Romans‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is clearly talking about homosexuality. "Male with male." How is that not clear? Also the Old Testament does talk about homosexuality, several times in fact.

Rick's comment: Hi Hey - On this website is my FREE, verse by verse commentary on Romans. I encourage you to read my comments on Romans 1:27. You may be surprised to learn that Romans 1:27 has nothing to do with homosexuality. It was about the pagan worship performed by shrine prostitutes.

Romans 1 commentary.

Here are some verses to look at:

Rick's comment: Click the verses you listed, to get my comments on each.

Leviticus 20:13

Genesis 19

As followers of God we can not pick and choose the rules he has set. Therefore, we cannot justify sin. This is clearly showing that homosexuality is a sin. We don’t hate the people, it goes against God therefore we should not support the sin.

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