Why did God call men having sex with each other an abomination?

by T.B.

'The ends of the hair round your face<br> and on your chin may not be cut off.'<br><i>The Bible in Basic English</i><br>-Leviticus 19:27

'The ends of the hair round your face
and on your chin may not be cut off.'
The Bible in Basic English
-Leviticus 19:27

You've asked some interesting questions which deserve honest answers. "Why did God call men having sex with men an abomination?" The verse you're referring to says: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is abomination." Leviticus 18:22

If we isolate a verse from its context and ignore the context, as so many anti-gay Christians do, we can easily say it means something God never intended it to mean.

If we want to understand the Bible, we must first know for sure that we are saved. Only saved people can understand the Bible as God intended us to understand it.

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
If we seek God's truth we must always read Bible verses in context. The cultural, doctrinal, historical, linguistic, literary and religious context in which the verse was given helps us understand what each verse means. You asked:

Can you tell me why then did GOD call men having sex with each other an abomination?

Actually that's not what the Bible teaches when we read it in context. You're referring to Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13. The context of Leviticus 18:22 is 18:3 and 18:21.

What God is prohibiting is same sex activity in worship of Molech and his fertility goddess consort Ashtoreth. The context of Leviticus isn't two men or two women falling in love and spending their lives together in a committed relationship. The context is pagan practices like worshiping false gods.

The context of Lev 20:13 is Leviticus 20:2, 3, 4, 5 and vs. 23. Again the context is Molech worship. God is forbidding the children of Israel from using same sex activity to worship Molech and Ashtoreth, his fertility goddess consort.

just because a man is a eunuch does not
mean his desire is for other men

True yet Jesus mentions three kinds of eunuchs in Matthew 19:13. The first kind of eunuch Jesus mentions is "born eunuchs" who were born that way.

Even the most vocal anti-gay Christian speaker and writer, Dr. Robert Gagnon, admits that the term "born eunuchs" in New Testament times probably referred to gays and lesbians. Here's what he said.
"Probably "born eunuchs" in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined" -heterosexual Christian scholar Dr. Robert Gagnon.
How do you arrive at the fact
that gay men are eunuchs?

Ancient history shows us that born eunuchs in ancient times included people we now refer to as gay or lesbian. For extensive resources and helpful information, please visit the best site on the web dealing with eunuchs throughout history.

I also know that people are delivered from homosexuality and other sins all the time.

When dealing with Exodus International and their false claims that thousands of people "are delivered from homosexuality" there is an enormous gap between what people think they know and genuine rubber meets the road truth about Exodus' spectacularly unsuccessful "change" ministry. Click on Exodus International and get the real truth.

I hope these answers and Links to additional information are helpful to you. Thanks for such good questions.
TBs Original Questions:

"I just read your article on homosexuality and eunuchs. Can you tell me why then did GOD call men having sex with each other an abomination? If it were ok why did GOD say anything at all?

Your article was very well done but just because a man is a eunuch does not mean his desire is for other men. Jesus never says that eunuch males would desire other males. How do you arrive at the fact that gay men are eunuchs?

I also know that people are delivered from homosexuality and other sins all the time.

Please help me understand! Thank you!"

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Oct 07, 2011
by: Andy

Hi Rick, as a young gay Christian myself, I really appreciate this site and what you're doing here.

I just want to know if you can provide me with a reference to where you discovered that the verses in Leviticus refer to idol worship/shrine prostitutes and not gays? It's not that I don't believe you, I think it makes sense and I really want to believe it. But being an investigative person myself I like to see original references to people's claims.

Oct 07, 2011
The answer is in the clickable links
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Andy- The answer to your question is in the clickable links in the article above. In particular, check out Lev 18:22 and 20:13.

Oct 13, 2011
Is pansexuality a sin?
by: Lynndsey

Is pansexuality a sin? Lately i have been searching for answers and praying. Ever since i knew someone could love someone of the same sex, i have believed it. Because from an early age i was taught God loves everyone and made everyone different.

Being raised in a southern baptist home though, i've been told it was an abomination. I believe love is love. But, how can i know that God does except homosexuality? Because i'm struggling here, i'm deathly afraid and completely confused.
Please help me, lynndsey.

Oct 16, 2011
Jesus died for all of us
by: Rick Brentlinger

Lynndsey- God loves us whether we're gay or straight. The love of God was demonstrated on Calvary when Jesus died for us, paying the price for our sins. God wants all of us to be saved by trusting Jesus Christ.

As I understand it, pansexuality means that someone can potentially be attracted to guys, girls and transgendered people.

Pansexuality rejects the gender binary, the scientific truth that there are only two genders, male and female. We need to be honest and go with the science. Rejecting the gender binary is not scientific and is not wise.

You seem a bit young to be wrestling with all of this. I hope you will make sure you are saved, that you will make friends with girls and guys, that you will live for the Lord and walk in the Spirit your entire life, Galatians 5:16.

Mar 10, 2012
by: Emanuel

Ok, I just read some of the initial response to this question and I must say (like the rest of the answers that you give) you ramble on about how anti gay Christians get the context out of whack...

There seems to be here an overly abundant amount of intellectual Christianity here, where is the "Holy Spirit?" That is what I was waiting to hear, repentance. You are falsely leading people toward a rebellious way. God does indeed love all, regardless of who or what they claim to be, He still reagrds sin as sin. Immorality cannot be justified by what you read in the OT, we don't live by works, law or anything in the past, but by the Truth of God's Spirit in Jesus Christ. Please stop killing your bloggers, the blood is on your hands.

May 05, 2012
There is absolutely nothing wrong
by: Paladin

A man being in love with a man is not an abomination; and is actually never even talked about in the Bible. However treating or allowing another man to treat him like a woman is.

This wasn't just something that came from God; but in societies before they knew the Christian God, looked at it the same exact way. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being emotionally and physically attracted to a man. Many are born that way and cannot change. God knows this.

However when I look at what goes on in the gay pride parades, and the behavior many gays display and treat each other within the community, it matches up with the things not only God is against but also those who practiced the ideal relationship between two men.

Jun 19, 2012
I wish that I could believe this.
by: Ismaila

I wish that I could believe this, but I am afraid of burning in Hell. :'(

Rick's comment: This website deals with almost every anti-gay argument by explaining the scriptures in context. I encourage you to:

1. Make sure you are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

2. Make sure you understand Justification by faith..

3. Carefully read the pages on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says. Click on the text links in each page and read those pages carefully too.

4. Re-read the material again (and again) with an open Bible until you understand it. That may take months but your time investment will be worthwhile because the return on your investment will be peace of mind.

5. Don't allow people who rip verses out of context to prove a lie to lay a false guilt trip on you.

6. It is your responsibility to believe truth. No one can do that for you. The precious Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth, John 16:13, as you "walk in the Spirit," Galatians 5:16.

Aug 26, 2012
male-male sex in the Bible
by: S

I've heard that in ancient times, especially in the Bible, that a "male" should not engage in intercourse with another "male" not only because it was an occult practice, but also because it was against a man's nature to be subjected like a woman

however, what I've also heard was "male" was defined by the person's potency with a woman, and that eunuchs were not considered "male" per se because they were attracted to men instead. they were called "half male" and "third gender" among other things, but they were never on par with "real" males

I also have a small question. I was just watching a documentary and there was a part that mentioned this man who was experimenting in both heterosexual and homosexual sex, but during his first homosexual encounter, he heard the voice of a "god" revealing this "revelation" to him that eventually led him into occultism. do you think that this man's action was an example of the sin of arsenokoite, or the prohibited action in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13?

Rick's comment: I cannot answer your question about what the man in the documentary saw or heard since I haven't seen the documentary. I do encourage you to click on Eunuchs and explore the information I've dug out for you. Please check out the text links also for even more information.

My eunuchs pages are packed full of carefully sourced information to provide answers about who was considered a eunuch in Bible times. Hope this is helpful to you.

Sep 06, 2012
Love doesn't mean approval
by: Anonymous

I've read, as I'm sure many have, Leviticus. I even just read it before posting this. There are many things said in Leviticus 18. I don't see ANY sign that the verse about Molech somehow cancels out the verse about men lying with men. I agree, context is critical - and you're twisting it. And don't respond with "Oh, another gay hater taking things out of context". Instead, try explaining. You've clearly put a lot of work into this site - keep it honest!

Rick's comment: Please go to my Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 page. I explain the context and cite people like John MacArthur, Dr. Robert Gagnon and Dr. Merrill F. Unger, all conservative evangelicals and anti-gay yet to a man, they admit that the context is worship of false gods AND temple prostitution.

I believe you will find it spiritually profitable to do more study before deciding that I am twisting God's truth.

Oct 29, 2012
What about the context of Romans 1?
by: Tracey

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

We are judged for what we know. Each of us will be judged. I will not be back to argue this. We all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God our Father.

Rick's comment: Hi Tracey - the context of Romans 1 is temple prostitution. I encourage you to do more reading. Quoting scripture as if that proves your opinion doesn't move you any closer to God's truth. I have plenty of free info about the context of Romans 1 on this website if you are sincerely interested in truth.


Nov 15, 2012
by: Bryan

As a believer in Christ, I am somewhat familiar with the teachings in the OT and the NT. First of all, I commend you on encouraging all people to make sure that they are believers in Christ. Secondly, I agree that many people take verses out of context and attempt to use them to claim validity of a certain point of view. Next, I am thankful that you have the courage to lift up Christ as you seek to encourage others.

Although I may not agree with you on some ideas, I do believe that God's Word speaks through us to lead others to Him. Having an open mind and a tender heart, I praise God that He uses all things to reveal Himself to others and to draw us all closer to Him.

I look forward to the day where we all love each other as brother and sister in Christ and yearn for His holiness to permeate every aspect of our lives.

Rick's comment: Thank you Bryan. Your kind words are much appreciated!

Nov 30, 2012
Lets keep it real
by: Anonymous

Rick's comment: All the dots are just as this cowardly commenter wrote them.

There is no in context or out of context when it comes to the bible......what he said is what he means....yesterday..today...and tomorrow and in hell for those who do not keep the commandments and laws...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ist not a cow no matter how bad you want it to be just because you say so.... not everyone is meant to go to heaven or there would not be a need for hell... if you dont repent and move away from your sins it is inevitable where your soul will spend eternity...man did not make this up these are YHWH's words.... now if you want to go against his words fine, you made your choice but dont try to fool us into believing it is right when we have the word telling us it is wrong all day and night it was wrong yesterday, today, tomorrow and in hell. If its not of YAH, its of pagan origins and pagan practices...ie holidays,not keeping the sabbath(friday sundown to saturday sundown). so i guess its ok to have sex with animals to as long as its not done unto molech.come on now lets get real if you worship satan and do defiled things do it just dont say its right when YAH said its wrong.deut 18:30 dont commit anyone of the customs that is an abomination. just dont do it wether you think it is for molech or not its not of YAH. do you really think he wants anal sex between two men,oral sex between two men or two women going on in the new heaven and new earth rev.21. Please

Rick's comment: You have too many doctrinal problems, not to mention a problem with basic honesty in your approach to the Bible, for me to correct them all here. Yet it may help you to read these links if your conscience for God's truth has not already been seared with a hot iron, 1 Timothy 4:2, Old KJV

Beastiality is NEVER analogous to being gay.

Lev 18:22 and 20:13 are about shrine prostitutes.

Christians are NOT under the law.

Sabbath keeping is NOT for Christians.

Did people in ancient times celebrate the Saturday sabbath?

Dec 29, 2012
by: Anonymous

Reason will take you to the truth…
20 men on an Island left alone for 80 years… You will have 0 inhabitants.
20 women on an Island left alone for 80 years… You will have 0 inhabitants.
10 men and 10 women on an Island for 80 years… You will have a community.
Not that hard to figure out!
See? Nothing to dispute… Just the facts of Science and Gods’ word made simple.

Rick's comment: Where to begin? First, only about 5% of the human race is gay, lesbian or transsexual so most people have no interest in same sex marriage.

Second, your assumption that being GLBT is nothing more than a choice people make betrays your ignorance.

Third, your ignorance can be cured by reading and studying to acquaint yourself with the facts.

Fourth, no one can do your reading and thinking and studying for you. Therefore, you will remain ignorant until you make a choice not to be ignorant.

In your ignorance you will probably keep visiting gay Christian websites like this and posting odd Anonymous comments.

Fifth, that will keep some of us wondering about your strange fascination with a gay Christian website.

Feb 01, 2013
My thoughts after reading much of this site
by: Mickey

If we as Christians have eternal salvation, what does it matter what we do anyway? "Thou shall not lie with a man as one lies with a women, it is an abomination" (Leviticus 18:22), of course it would be, for a man to lie with a man as one lies with a women, one of the men must have a vagina. Otherwise, you could not lie with them like a women, you would have to lie with them like a man. And if Adam and Eve had eternal life before eating the forbidden fruit, why did they ever bother to eat anything at all, it’s not like they could have starved to death? And if we all came from Adam and Eve then clearly there has been some serious incest going on for quite some time now. This all just doesn’t really add up for me. but I think If you are a practicing Christian, and gay or bi, and you can’t avoid it or whatever, why not just take out an insurance policy on your soul and repent after every time you have some gay sexual encounter. Say I am sorry lord Jesus please forgive me for the sin I just committed. At least if & when judgment day comes you’ll be able to say to God, your contract clearly states that if I repent I will be forgiven, So what’s the problem? Can you please open these lovely looking gates you have here, I’m kind of dead. I make jokes but the reality is if there is a hell and we don’t have eternal salvation, then most people are going there, gay or not...

My best advice, repent often, at least once a day sin or not, if you can’t do that for Jesus, then are you really that worthy of heaven I mean come on, the dude got whipped, beat, spit on, nailed to a cross, and stabbed with a spear. The least you can do is tell him thank you and ask him to please not forget about you when you die, then repent for all of your sins. Say please Lord Jesus forgive me of my sins I am so sorry and mean it, then say Please God forgive me I am so sorry. I think about how horrible hell would be before I do this, it helps me realize how much I mean it when I say I am sorry. allot of the time we sin without even knowing it, don’t go through life living like gayness is not a sin, committed/married or not, same goes for anything sexual including the so called sacred heterosexual one flesh marriage. If you are not procreating then you are lusting and that includes holding back so it lasts longer lol. Remember we are born with the curse of sin; its inherited from Adam and Eve’s original sin, so theoretically everything we do is a sin. So show Jesus some respect once a day until God takes you from this earth, it is the least you could do. Peace and Love to all mankind. -Mickey

Rick's comment: Mickey, I hope you will carefully read Saved? and also Eternal Security.

Feb 09, 2013
Dear Mickey
by: Shane

you said this:

"I think If you are a practicing Christian, and gay or bi, and you can’t avoid it or whatever, why not just take out an insurance policy on your soul and repent after every time you have some gay sexual encounter"

first of all, when you say "some gay sexual encounter," you're implying that homosexuals hold one-night stands and have sex with multiple people. I'm going to call this what it is: pure ignorance and lack of any reasoning whatsoever. your assumptions are flawed and you appear to hold some stereotype in your mind of the "gay lifestyle" that conservatives seem to have more knowledge about than homosexuals themselves

"My best advice, repent often, at least once a day sin or not, if you can’t do that for Jesus, then are you really that worthy of heaven"

second, might as well throw the rest of the message of salvation out the window if we're going to believe that. even if being a homosexual was a sin (it is not), a gay person does not need to pray and ask "forgiveness" 24/7 because once you are saved God has your sin covered with Jesus' sacrifice. that's not to say you shouldn't ask for forgiveness when you do sin, but to literally be afraid of hell all the time due to "unrepented sin" is unhealthy and unchristian

"If you are not procreating then you are lusting"

this line of thinking is so flawed, I cannot even. there is an actual difference between lust and normal, healthy sex

the sex drive is morally neutral, like hunger; all humans get hungry, just like most humans have a sex drive. this is not so much a desire to procreate as a desire to have physical intimacy with another human being. in fact, in the beginning when God first created Adam his concern was not "procreation" but companionship. thus, homosexual and heterosexual orientation alike are morally neutral and natural

LUST is a selfish desire. it takes the morally neutral sex drive and twists it into "all about ME." it can be violent and uncaring, and thus sinful against God

LOVE (in the sexual sense) is the morally positive version of the sex drive. it primarily cares about the other person, not just itself (for more information, see 1 Corinthians 13)

you cannot call something a sin simply because you don't understand it

Feb 18, 2013
Leviticus 20:13
by: Anonymous

The only listed offence for which death is the required penalty is homosexuality. It cannot therefore be equated to dietary or other minor prohibitions in Leviticus. It's wrong and it's very serious and Paul clearly confirms it. To attempt to justify one's own sins is a great sin but to assure others that they also do not sin is about as grave as it gets.

Rick's comment: Lev 20:13 is not talking about homosexuality. It is talking about temple prostitution, men having sex with men to worship the fertility goddess. THAT is what warranted the death penalty, not two gay guys or two gay gals. Notice the context in Lev 20:2, 3, 4, 5 - Molech, and by inference Ashtoreth, his fertility goddess consort.

While you are so willingly passing out death penalties, did you bother to read Lev 20:9 - if you curse your parents, you get the death penalty.

Lev 20:10 - if you commit adultery both you and your partner get the death penalty.

Wow, THAT would empty the pews AND the pulpits in a lot of Baptist churches!

Are any of the Levitical laws in effect after the resurrection of Christ, since "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." Romans 10:4? Remember Galatians 2:21 - "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Notice Lev 20:11 - "And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Compare Lev 20:11 to 1 Cor 5:1 - "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife."

Neither God nor Paul required the death penalty for what was clearly a death penalty case. That indicates that Christians are NOT under Levitical law even if it did mean what you think it means. Yet when taken in context, it is clear that Leviticus is NOT about gay men.

Mar 27, 2013
Article is full of errors
by: Anonymous

First, Leviticus 18 defines all the sexual situations which God forbid due to incest and unnatural reasons. Leviticus 20 starts with punishments for worshiping pagan gods but in verse 8 switches topics. It's quite misleading to somehow lump the first verses of pagan worship, skipping the punishments for incest and say the gay punishment is connected to the pagan worship in the temple. Shame on you.

You should be using your obvious influence to convince gays to abstain from their unnatural desires, resist temptations and pray for God to change their desires or "heal" them if they get to heaven.

Rick's comment: Wow, criticism from a brave Anonymous commenter who has never studied this issue. You allege my article is full of errors yet you do not point out any specific errors.

If you ever take time to study this issue before forming an opinion, you will discover that the most virulent anti-gay scholars, like Dr. Robert Gagnon and Pastor John MacArthur and many others, admit that the context of Leviticus 18-20 is temple prostitution, using sex to worship the false gods of Canaan.

On the topic of shrine prostitutes, do you disagree with all of these non-gay conservative Christian scholars? If you disagree with them, what facts support your disagreement?

Mar 30, 2013
Homosexual sex
by: Anonymous

When you are saved, aren't you supposed to try and stop sinning? I mean, you WILL sin again but, aren't you suppose to try and stop. Aren't you deliberately sinning by continuing on with your sexual gay relationship? I'm not here to spread hate, this is a genuine question because I'm very confused. Thanks so much, this site has been of great help.

Rick's comment: Yes, of course - I agree with you on that. But you are assuming that two guys or two gals having sex in a committed relationship are still sinning. Why settle for that false conclusion when NO VERSE in the Bible says that about two gay guys or two gay gals in committed relationship?

ALL of the verses alleged to condemn gays are in the context of prohibiting temple prostitution and the activities temple prostitutes used to worship the fertility goddess.

If you are having gay sex to worship the fertility goddess, then cut it out!! That is sin! But two gay guys or two gay gals in loving committed relationship? No - that is not sinful. That is blessed.

How can I get saved?

What happens when you get saved?

I'm saved so why do I still struggle with sin?

Apr 02, 2013
What about Paul's writing on the subject?
by: Anonymous

In Romans 1:26-28 we read, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind to do those things which are not proper."

Paul is writing to the church in Rome here. This has nothing to do with worshiping idols or pagan gods.

Rick's comment: Please read this page. Romans 1 IS about temple prostitution and worshiping pagan gods - idolatry.

May 06, 2013
Underlying anger?
by: Anonymous

I am not so much concerned about you defending sexual preference, as I am about the underlying anger you have for those who won't believe like you do. Jesus can take care of that. God bless.

Rick's comment: I love it when you low information, passive-aggressives make comments based on your deep concern for me. "A merry heart does good like a medicine..." Proverbs 17:22. Many thanks for your assistance in keeping me healthy.

I note that you mentioned sexual preference, indicating a rather astonishing ignorance. Sexual orientation is innate and is not chosen.

I also note that you accuse me of being angry, an ad hominem argument (attack the man instead of his views). Since you cannot deal with what the Bible says in context, you regress to accusing me of anger, hoping that your low information christian peers will reject my fact based arguments. Good luck with that.

May 18, 2013
Context of Lev 18:22 is Molech?
by: Anonymous

you are absolutely dead wrong when stating leviticus 18:22 is refering ONLY to worship of molech. that is a lie from the devil himself and you! Molech is not the context! the context is what God Himself requires in His people and part of that requirement is for man to not have same sex relations as they do in false god worship (as is with molech).

you dumbass! Rick's comment: Are you calling me a dum bass - a stupid game fish? LOL

It is an abomination because it is in direct defilement of Gods creative design and order. And since we are talking about context, you must ultimately take things in context with the rest of Gods holy word. cross examine this scripture with the many others that warn of violating Gods sexual laws both old and new testament. by God's creative design and nature, males are creative perfectly for women sexually. the rectum is not designed by god for intercourse!!!

Rick's comment: You have not bothered to acquaint yourself with the facts.

Even anti-gay conservative Christians admit that the context of Lev 18:22 and 20:13 IS committing prostitution with goat demons, Molech worship and shrine prostitutes.

Perhaps you should re-examine the context by reading Leviticus 17:7.

"They must no longer offer any of their sacrifices to the goat idols to whom they prostitute themselves. This is to be a lasting ordinance for them and for the generations to come." - NIV - Lev 17:7

"They are no longer to slaughter their sacrifices to the goat demons, with whom they have been committing prostitution. This will be a perpetual statute for you throughout your generations." - International Standard Version - Lev 17:7

How do you interpret leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, man should not lay with man?

Concerning your rectum comment: approximately 25% of heterosexual married couples admit to having engaged in anal sex and 11% do so on a regular basis. Heterosexual couples have used anal sex as a primitive method of birth control for thousands of years.

You anti-gay christians love any argument which lets you slam gays while ignoring the tsunami of sexual sin in your own congregation.

Your faux outrage may fool babes in Christ but it does not fool those of us "who by reason of use have our senses exercised to discern good and evil" - Hebrews 5:14.

May 20, 2013
love never a sin
by: Anonymous

please i need help with this question. if being gay is not a sin because it is love, then does that mean we should disregard anything if its done in the name of love? people have murdered in the name of love.

Rick's comment: No, of course not.

Jun 08, 2013
Coming around
by: Anonymous

Well, shoot! Here I've been a comfortable conservative Southern Baptist all my 54 years, even a licensed minister for the last 15 years. Comfortable and settled. Maybe a bit more open minded than some of my fellows - Jesus did say love, love, love, so hateful attitudes toward anyone bugged me, from Muslims to Catholics to homosexuals. And then God threw a monkey wrench into the works AGAIN.

A few nights ago He laid it out to me in a very vivid dream that gays are just basically different from childhood, then how Jesus talked about "eunuchs from birth," then about God being love (true love), and finally, if gays are OK, then they shouldn't be expected to remain alone and celibate all their lives. And, well, what do you say when your Lord lays it out like that? I felt like Jacob after wrestling with Him all night.

I hereby officially give up. God is God and I'm not. I humbly accept that I have equal brothers and sisters in my Lord's family who just happen to be gay. Now what!!??

Rick's comment: Now the work of the ministry continues.

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"
- Ephesians 4:11-12

We preach, teach, witness, warn, instruct, encourage, pray, bless and make disciples. We become all things to all men that we might by all means save some, 1 Corinthians 9:19-22.

Essentially you are in the same position in which Peter found himself in Acts 10:9ff. He didn't want to go to those common unclean Gentiles until God opened his eyes, Acts 10:19-20. Peter, eyes now open, began to minister to people who until his eyes were opened, had been considered beyond the pale.

God bless you as you enlarge your tent, lengthen your cords and strengthen your stakes, Isaiah 54:2.

And please remember - We preach the glorious gospel of Christ to everyone because God wants alll to be saved, by believing the gospel.

We are not ecumenical and we are not Universalists. We are Bible believing, gospel preaching, soul winning, Christians.

Jun 24, 2013
by: Beth B

Is it possible that this is outlawing the intercourse of two men, but not the "committed" relationship?

Rick's comment: Beth, would you be interested in a sexless marriage, no physical intimacy with the partner you love?

I have read the Bible several times and I have taken the time to read much of your website, including the Lev 18:22 and 20:13 page. I know you are referring to many of these conservative "scholars" to lend credence to your argument, but honestly I glossed over much of what you reproduced. Their quotes are also taken out of context;

Rick's comment: You didn't bother to read the quotes I provided, BUT, you allege I took the quotes out of context? Really?

How could you possibly make that judgment after admitting you didn't bother to read the quotes I cited?

something I have already gathered you understand and cite. I can't reproduce the whole Bible but here is part of the passage: Lev 20:10-16...

Why is the law regarding homosexuality (or as you say temple prostitutes) in the middle of laws that do not have to do with temple prostitutes?

Rick's comment: The context of that section of Leviticus IS temple prostitutes and worship of false gods: Lev 17:7, 18:3, 21, 22, 20:2, 3, 4, 5, 13.

I don't understand what syntax you are using to apply the temple of Molech here and not to the other laws. The way it is set up is as if to say that all of the incest is okay as long as it is not within the cult of Molech.

Same with Bestiality. Granted, those things are morally reprehensible in today's culture and Homosexuality is not as much so; but amongst the other laws, it is my interpretation that they are treated the same.

Within your context- the old Canaanite/Egyptian ways are what is wrong here and they had prostitutes- any sexual act here listed is okay now.

Did Jews EVER interpret these verses in any way other than against plain old homosexual behavior?

Rick's comment: Jews like Philo of Alexandria, a famous author and thinker and a contemporary of Jesus and Paul, believed Lev 18:22 and 20:13 were talking about shrine prostitutes.

If these were prohibitions against temple prostitution, why are "men and men" only mentioned when men and women combos were also used in the temples? Why single out "men and men" here? Who not just say "temple prostitution"?

Rick's comment: Women were not considered equals to men in ancient times. They did not possess seed. The focus was on keeping the lineage pure and on what men did.

As in there are very SPECIFIC condemnations of temple prostitution elsewhere (Deut. 23:17-8). This would suggest that the Lev. cites are not "roundabouts" or allusions to that practice.

I'm just talking about homosexual "sexual" acts, not the committed relationship. Can you please clarify? My conclusion here is that you can have a committed homosexual relationship but without sex.

Rick's comment: See my first statement to you.

Jun 25, 2013
Sex With Animals
by: Anonymous

Then what if you have sex with animals and worship only God then and not Ashtoreth or Molech?

Rick's comment: You are making the mistake of thinking that God equated homosexuality with beastiality. He did not. God equated shrine prostitution with beastiality. These links are helpful if you are seeking truth.

Are gay rights analogous to beastiality rights?

Nine reasons beastiality is wrong.

Jun 26, 2013
re: Bestiality
by: Shane

God didn't call bestiality "abomination." He called it "confusion," i.e., unnatural mixture. That means it is not okay in every context.

God called having sex with shrine prostitutes "abomination" because it is ritually unclean. That means sex with shrine prostitutes is wrong, not homosexuality.

Jun 30, 2013
by: Anonymous

Hello! I am just wondering, what are your thoughts on gay marriage and how do you connect them to the Bible? Thank you! :)

Rick's comment: I am FOR gay marriage and have a number of pages about it on this website. Here is the starter page for gay marriage. There are lots of links in the article and at the bottom of the page.

Aug 05, 2013
David and Jonathan are not Gays
by: Anonymous

Im quite surprised when i saw your example of David and Jonathan being as gay in relation.I believe you are trying to justify the Gay status by searching for which does not exist,To me when it was told in Bible that the covenant between david and Jonathan was so strong as it was compared that the love between them was greater than the love between a man and a woman.Here is how i understood.1.)The love between a man a woman which is romantic is with mutual exchange of each others desires .which is both phelios and eros.
But love between David and Jonathan was so great that david committed himself to that relation with out any exchange of physical satisfaction which is commendable.

I dont think thay had any sexual contacts in their relation.

Aug 06, 2013
Thank you for this information
by: Anonymous

My name is Eric, and my son is a wonderful son, who thought I would disown him because he is gay.
That was a big failure on my part. Today I think he knows better. I certainly do.

I love him as much as my other son, and only hope I have adjusted my mind enough to have him know my love is unconditional (as is God's).
I would not change a thing- Not ask God to make him straight!

He has a wonderful partner and been married for 5 years. They are a better example of a healthy loving couple than most heterosexual couples today.

I know God loves him, and I think he still knows that too. But woe to those who have chased him away from the word of God.

Aug 08, 2013
The Lord is One

It is the will of the Lord that we be fruitful and multiply! Jesus himself said I did not come to do away with the law, but I come to add a commandment, that commandment is love! Allow all sinners to come to repentance! Lastly what in the world is a gay Christian, Jesus had followers not sects of believers!

Rick's comment: How many children are necessary to obey the "be fruitful and multiply" command? How many children have you produced? Is anyone allowed to not have children, celibate people for example?

If a childless young guy is serving a life sentence for murder and he gets saved in prison, is he then required to be fruitful and multiply in prison?

Oct 25, 2013
Romans 1?
by: Mark

In Romans 1 Paul speaks about God giving men over to their lusts, as well as women. I have gay friends, and love them, and I certainly know that I have my own struggles... but there's a key word: "struggle". Be it pornography, anger, lust toward women, I do strive - some days better than others - to live well, and in love. There are those who defend pornography, but on a purely economic level, it is something which takes no sacrifice - is lacking of love. It's an exchange of currency simply for one's entertainment... the entertainment of seeing another disrobe. Love would mean, as I understand it, that regardless of whether or not someone else is okay with it, I adhere to a personal, internal strength of love... and if I have the money to give for someone to disrobe, then I really have the money to give for free. It's not so much a judgment of the other person (in fact not at all), but an acknowledgement that it's not at all about what FEELS good, or what another will or won't allow. It's about love. The sacrifice of love. Being blessed, taken, broken and given.

In the same way, even though born with it - just as being born with many other desires and human tendencies - is it not a case that the gay "lifestyle" part is a choice... and should be a struggle, rather than surrendered to and celebrated?

Rick's comment: You seem to assume that gays can simply make a decision to change their sexual orientation OR that gays should "struggle" for their entire life, never enjoying emotional physical and sexual intimacy with someone matching their sexual orientation. If you think about it a bit, you will see how unfeeling and cruel that is, especially since God never posits that as the way to live.

...So while being gay isn't the issue... why champion the acting upon it, even in cases of what you might call healthy, loving relationships. Wouldn't love for God call one to a sacrifice, or a struggle in that regard? I certainly believe that all can be saved, that it's up to Christ/God and not me, and that if they are sins gay actions aren't any worse than sins I've had to reconcile for. I DEFINITELY believe in the love and grace despite imperfections... but also that there is at least a calling, even if not a demand, to the responsibility and perhaps sometimes painful sacrifice that comes with love.

Rick's comment: Please carefully read 1 Corinthians 7:1-9. God's solution for lust is not celibacy or as you put it, a life of sacrifice. God's solution is to marry an orientation compatible partner.

Mar 11, 2014
I Don't Understand
by: Jason Paez

I dont know if you are going to allow me to post this, bc i assume there is a screening process. I do not write this in hate, but in what i feel is the Love of Christ.

I just dont understand. God does not only speak about homosexuality in the Old testament Leviticus scriptures, it is also mentioned numerous times in the New Testament under the dispensation of Grace.

1 Corinthians 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,"

I would just like you to please clarify how you can justify homosexuality, when it is mentioned in the New Testament as well as "unrighteousness".

Gods loves everyone- even the rapist,murderers,sexually immoral etc..but that does not mean God approves of their actions or thoughts.

im sure you deal with people like me all the time, and maybe i seem as just another opposed to your views, but im just asking you to please consider how unacceptable it would be to justify other acts of "unrighteousness" even through the lens of New Testament.

Rick's comment: Hi Jason - I'll give you some links which answer your excellent questions. Here we go.

Leviticus and Shrine Prostitution.

Leviticus 17:7 helps us establish context.

What is the context of Romans 1?

The biblical, cultural, historical and religious context of 1 Cor 6:9 is temple prostitutes.

In the Bible arsenokoitai never means gay, lesbian or homosexual.

Gay Christian FAQ

Mar 26, 2014
You are on your way to hell
by: summerwindslady

From all i have read i think you have a form of Christianity and truly have no idea "from the Spirit" what is meant in all the verses you have quoted...i think t is hilarious how those who are drawn away because of their own lust can explain away anything holy and make it ok in a satanic say...better follow your own rules and really get saved because dear friend you are on your way to hell ...how sad you are leading many others there with you...as in the days of Noah!!!!

Rick's comment: What strange illogic you display. Since I disagree with you on the gay issue, you conclude that my beliefs are satanic and I must be on my way to hell Imagine that - I have the temerity to disagree with YOU!!!

You cannot intelligently discuss the context of the clobber passages because you have never studied the verses you use to condemn your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. From your position of ignorance you condemn us to hell yet you don't even have enough courage to put your real name with your nasty comments. Yawn.

Oct 07, 2014
Romans 1:26 is about shrine prostitutes?
by: Aaron Saltzer

Are you saying that Romans 1:26 is about shrine prostitution? That would have to mean that female homosexual prostitution was a part of idolatry, considering it was equated with the men burning in their lust for one another in most Bibles. Where's the evidence for that?

Rick's comment: Hi Aaron - Yes, Romans 1:26 is all about female shrine prostitution in worship of the fertility goddesses of ancient Rome. For additional proof:

1. Please read Deuteronomy 23:17-18. God says both female and male shrine prostitutes existed. For me, that is proof enough.

2. Please read my shrine prostitutes page dealing with Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Pay particular attention to the quotes from John MacArthur and Merrill F. Unger, both of whom admit that female shrine prostitutes existed.

3. Please read this page, where non-gay Christian scholars link female shrine prostitutes to the worship of false gods.

4. Please read this page, where ancient and more modern scholars discuss the fact that cult, shrine, temple prostitutes included females. Ancient Idolatry

Mar 25, 2015
Sinful Desires
by: Tommy

Clearly Rick is a master at trying to make scripture fit his sin. He not only commits acts of sexual immorality, but sets up a false God who approves of it. We all have sinful temptations, but having those temptations/desires alone is not a sin, but if we act upon them. Even Jesus was tempted, but he did not fall into sin. The homosexual has convinced himself that he is not sinning and that is a very great work of Satan to bring about that belief.

I too have many internal sexual temptations and I'm sure many others will admit they do as well, even if they aren't homosexual ones. And I'm sure I was born this way. No problem. It doesn't give me license to sin against God. Even without the Bible, it is plain to see what God's design, his blueprint, for sexuality is. Only someone who wants to reject God and deny his holy word would look at the design of man and woman and conclude that man should lie with man and woman with woman.

You said somewhere that only those with the Holy Spirit can understand and interpret scripture and I agree with this 100%. And that's why I say that you, Rick, are saying what you do. Because you have not the Holy Spirit of God dwelling within you.

Your article on repentance being a change of mind is self-refuting. Not only have you not had a change of mind about your sin, but you deny that it even IS sin. That is one step further. If you cannot see your sin for what it is, you will never see God's mercy or be able to have a relationship with Him.

Are you that lustful for your sexual pleasures that you can't abstain? Knowing that your eternal soul may be at stake, why would you take such chances by relying on your own opinions? The Bible makes it clear that it is wrong. Your attempt to associate homosexuality as a sin only in regards to Molech and shrine prostitution is such a weak and unreasonable position. Ridiculous, in fact.

I was once a unrepentant sinner deep in sexual immorality. I thought I was saved. I went to church nearly my entire life and was very involved. But I was heading for hell and I know that now. Until I confessed my sins and repented of them, that is turn from them, then and only then was I born again. I had a radical life change when that happened. And am now 5.5 years sober from my sexual immorality. And with God's power, what was impossible for me to do for 42 years, became easy.

"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:9-10

I love you enough to warn you of the danger you are in. Repent and turn to Jesus Christ, putting your full trust and faith in Him. For right now, you do not know him nor the father. God bless.

Rick's comment: LOL, Hi Tommy - You are quite the lying bloviator. Just so all the readers understand - you do not know me and have never met me so your lies about my alleged immorality are just that - wicked lies from a professing christian.

Mar 25, 2015
Adding to scripture to suit your sins
by: Tommy

One of your responses, you state: "Please carefully read 1 Corinthians 7:1-9. God's solution for lust is not celibacy or as you put it, a life of sacrifice. God's solution is to marry an orientation compatible partner."

I just read it and despite what you are claiming, nowhere in that scripture does it say the words "orientation compatible partner." Please re-read that scripture carefully and admit that you've added Satan's lies to it. For what it actually says only regards to a man with a woman, a husband and a wife. And don't tell me you define husband and wife as any gender because that is clearly not the case...

You have a forked tongue and speak with words from your god, Satan. Repent and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Rick's comment: Hi Tommy - Life will get a lot easier when you learn to think. For heterosexuals, an opposite sex person is an orientation compatible partner.

For gays, a same sex person is an orientation compatible partner. It's as simple as that.

Mar 25, 2015
Rick's Evasion of the Facts
by: Tommy

Rick's comment: Hi Tommy - Life will get a lot easier when you learn to think. For heterosexuals, an opposite sex person is an orientation compatible partner.

For gays, a same sex person is an orientation compatible partner. It's as simple as that.

My Response: You failed to address the fact that the words "orientation compatible partner" are not in that scripture. It references man and woman and husband and wife. Now you can admit you are adding words to scripture.

Rick's comment: Earth to Tommy! Earth to Tommy! Think about it - there you go - you can do it. Ready?

I described a concept - I used words to explain the meaning of the passage in 1 Cor 7. I did not add to scripture and I never said I was quoting a verse that says orientation compatible partner. It's called explaining the text. Git it? Get it? Got it.

Mar 25, 2015
You're not an acting homosexual?
by: Tommy

Rick's comment: LOL, Hi Tommy - You are quite the lying bloviator. Just so all the readers understand - you do not know me and have never met me so your lies about my alleged immorality are just that - wicked lies from a professing Calvinist christian.

Oh, so you aren't a professing acting homosexual? I guess I was wrong then. Are you just trying to support those who are?

Rick's comment: Hi Tommy - you lied and falsely accused me of committing acts of sexual immorality AND you lied again and falsely accused me of setting up a false God. The Bible has a lot to say about liars. I'd be careful if I were you.

Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Proverbs 12:22 - Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Ephesians 4:29 - Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers.

Colossians 3:9 - Lie not one to another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his deeds;

1 Timothy 4:2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Revelation 22:15 - For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.

Apr 12, 2015
by: Richard

I am a gay person first of all with a God given free will. I can choose to be anyone I want to be and choose to do anything I want to do. Second I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior when I was 12. I was later baptized in water and then with the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in other tongues. I sat in services where preachers would scream: "If you're a homosexual you'll go to hell as a homosexual!" I would run to the alter and cry so hard thinking, God please don't send me to hell.

When I turned 23 I went to a bar and met my first lover. We spent 9 yrs together. I left my first love, JESUS, and His ways. My relation-ship was Godless meaning God wasn't in my relationship. It failed. I went back to my first love JESUS.

Any relationship straight or gay that has not Christ as the center will prove to have problems. Jesus comes first. If you love Him and remain monogamous I believe He will bless your relationship straight or gay. God bless all:-)

Rick's comment: Hi Richard - Amen! When Jesus isn't our first love, life is such a struggle. God bless you brother!

Nov 18, 2015
taken out of context?
by: Gerald McDonald

The Bible specifically states that it was an abomination for two of the same sex to please one another sexually. This is found in Leviticus 20:13 and verse 15 and 16. This is as plain as it needs to be to let any one striving to please Christ know that homosexuality is a sin that any Christian prone to should ask God for freedom from.

Rick's comment: Hi Gerald - I commend 2 Timothy 2:15 to your consideration. Until you learn to rightly divide the word of truth, you will keep trying to live under Old Testament Law and you will keep trying to force others to live under Old Testament Law.

Freedom in Christ is available if you will accept it, Galatians 5:1.

Nov 18, 2015
by: Gerald McDonald

That is just another thing God is telling His people not to do along with not having sexual relations with another of the same sex or with an animal. He is telling us to not sacrifice our children to a false God. No where does it say that unless two of the same sex marries and does not profane themselves by worshiping false gods that they would be an abomination. No it says that two of the same sex should not have sex with one another or with animals. It is clear unless one wants to make an idol of their sin, and push Christ out of their lives. Who ever is pushing this web site must realize that you are allowing satan to use you to cause people to be lost, from Christ saving grace. We can not continue to disobey God's word, and expect to enter into eternal life.

Rick's comment: Hi Gerald - Accusing me of making an idol of my sin is a poor substitute for studying the Bible and growing up in Christ. It is also a poor substitute for rightly dividing the word of truth, 2 Timothy 2:15.

It seems to me, you are trapped in legalism even though Christ has set us free from the law of sin and death. Embrace your freedom in Christ, dear brother and walk in the Spirit, Galatians 5:16.

What must I do to be saved?

Nov 30, 2015
Hurt by hetero society 24-7
by: Anonymous

First of all, thank you for doing this research! Secondly, I was wondering if you're the young gay pastor that wrote God and the Gay Christian?

Rick's comment: Hi - No, the eBook I wrote is: Gay Christian 101. My book is a lot more detailed and in depth than Matthew's book.

Thirdly, I have a lengthy issue I'd like to address; See Im genderqueer, and I know these new terms are confusing and kind of a game changer to the Christian battle with homosexuality blah blah but I wanted to know if God mentions anywhere that he is okay with someone being genderqueer or even transgender?

Rick's comment: God has love and kindness and help and joy for you if you will read and believe the Bible. Transgendered individuals are included in the group known as natural born eunuchs.

Jesus loves gender queer and transgender and bisexual people. Jesus died for them and will save them just like He loves, died for and will save anyone else who asks Him. The God of the Bible doesn't play favorites. I have some good information about Transgender issues which I hope you find helpful.

I thought I was trans and went as far as getting on hormones for a short period of time. Of which, altered my physical body somewhat, as well as my mental state. I noticed that my once homosexual attraction, changed into becoming more bisexual.

So, this freaked me out and I stopped the hormones. I feel as though societies norms confused me, and made me feel like I needed to be one gender or the other to be happy or feel "normal" due to the sex I was originally attracted to; and I wasn't happy.

I keep wondering if everything I did/felt/and went through was truly sinful or something that others unintentionally forced upon me by teasing me(making gay jokes growing up),or the fact that i was constantly unhappy not being hetero and not really feeling like I ever fit in.

Does any of these feelings make transition more forgivable in God's eyes? Im trying to make sense here but it's a hard topic question to ask, so i apologize. Finally, are eunuchs or have eunuchs, ever been known in the bible to suffer from hetrosociety norms, or experiments trying to use hormones to "cure" homosexuals?

Rick's comment: I have lots of helpful info about eunuchs in the Bible which I hope you will read. Since the Bible was written several thousand years ago, there is nothing in the Bible about using hormones to cure homosexuals.

Also, if anyone reading this is trans, this is by no means a cause for you to de-transition. this is my own personal experiences with transition.

Dec 20, 2015
Where do we get this translation for Leviticus if nobody can agree on it's interpretation?
by: Ryan

Leviticus 18:22 etc. I have seen this interpreted as "Do not have sexual relations with a man as with a woman", "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind", "you are not to sleep with a man as with a woman", "And with a male thou shalt no lie down in a woman's bed" and I am sure there are many more interpretations.

What does the translation actually say or what were the words actually written in the Biblical texts? If it truly is referring to either temple prostitution or taking a man to be in a woman's bed, why do the Church's not rectify this?

Rick's comment: Here is the Hebrew text of Leviticus 18:22 with translation and explanation of word meanings.

Obviously the word "homosexual" never existed then so why is it they don't remove that word from the Bible completely? Is it that nobody really knows what the true meaning is? Are their no historians, linguists, archaeologists etc. that can give us an actual interpretation of what is written?

What did these passages say before man got his dirty little hands on them prior to the 1800's? I don't read ancient Hebrew or Greek. I can only take someones word for what it says. That scares me to not know the truth and to believe in something contrary to God.

Rick's comment: Hi Ryan - You've asked some good questions. I believe we do know the true meaning of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. I provide a lot of in depth information about that on my shrine prostitutes page. There are also around 40 links to additional info on that page.

Mar 13, 2016
Well known Bible scholars
by: AlJay

Bible scholars are people who study the Words of God right? Who also study the history when the Bible was written, what is happening during that time, who they are talking too, and then read it in the original language of the Bible. But why they are still arguing about this kind of stuff? Like, they all study it but why they are still disagreeing with each other? Like Dr. Gagnon who you always tell in your site, that even his' anti-gay books etc, why does he still oppose homosexuality? He stated that the word "homosexuality" is not really in the bible and even accept that it is under cult practices and such things. But why he's still against it?

Rick's comment: AlJay - I believe the reason scholars like Dr. Gagnon are against homosexuality is, they equate shrine prostitution with homosexuality. As I point out on my shrine prostitutes page, they have to take Lev 18:22 and 20:13 out of context to arrive at that conclusion.

Last summer, I had a long phone conversation with Dr. Gagnon. I found him to be a friendly man and we had a substantive conversation. We still disagree on the gay issue but I'm glad I got to know him a bit more through our phone conversation.

Mar 14, 2016
Aside for shrine prostitute for homosexuality
by: AlJay

Is there any more context that are outside the shrine prostitute, for other sins that are being said for passages involving shrine prostitution (I hope you get what I'm trying to ask) like bestiality, being laid by your blood relatives etc.? It get it now that it's about cult and their rejection about God even though they know Him, which this is the reason why they do this unacceptable and offending things to God.

So, if this actions are not under cults anymore, then this acts are allowed under God if it's not about cults?

Rick's comment: Hi AlJay - No, that is the argument the anti-gay crowd makes but it is a false argument. In Leviticus chapters 17 to 26, known as the Holiness Code, Moses analogizes incest and beastiality with shrine prostitution, NOT with homosexuality.

Here is a common argument; if homosexuality is okay as long as it's not part of idol worship and cult prostitution, then incest and beastiality must also be okay, as long as they are not part of idol worship. That is a specious argument - superficially plausible but actually wrong on the facts. Moses NEVER analogizes incest and beastiality with being gay.

Please read my Shrine prostitutes page again.

Aug 19, 2016
About the article question
by: Jose

I have a friend who told me about his past, he told me when he was small he had sex with another boy, as men lie with women, as now a adult, he is scared of hell, he repents, and is baptize in the name of Jesus Christ, reads the bible and prays, I was wondering if he did this things, is he ever more able to make it to heaven, I know it sounds weird.

Rick's comment: Hi Jose - God has good news and peace of mind for us when we believe what He says in the Bible. The most important question to answer right now is: Am I sure I am saved?

Many gays are cultural Christians instead of born again Christians. They grew up in church or they are religious or they are spiritual. They try to do the right thing but they've never personally received Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin.

Why do so many young people quit church?

The best preparation for being a disciple of Jesus is to know FOR SURE you are saved. Everyone needs to be saved from sin and hell and the wrath of God. Here is what Jesus taught about hell and God's wrath.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

What is the wrath of God?

Getting saved and becoming a disciple of Jesus means not trusting your good works, confirmation, baptism, sacraments, being a cultural Christian or grace allegedly infused through a church, BUT instead, trusting by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone to save you.

What must I do to be saved?

Once you know for sure you are saved, it helps to understand what happened when you got saved.

What happens when you get saved?

Once you understand what happened when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal?

Am I saved for all eternity?

It is important to understand that, when Jesus saves you, He forgives ALL your sins. Whatever your friend did when he was a little boy is under the blood of Jesus, forgiven and entirely dealt with when he trusts the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior. God doesn't hold it against him and he doesn't ever have to worry about it.

I should also point out that getting water baptized in Jesus' Name has nothing to do with getting saved. Getting saved is all about trusting Jesus alone and His finished work of redemption on the cross.

Acts 2:38 is not God's plan of salvation. God's plan of salvation is in Acts 16:30-31 and Romans 3:23, 5:1, 9, 6:23, 10:9-13. God bless you Jose and God bless your friend.

Nov 25, 2017
An important point
by: Kirsten

I understand where you're coming from about the context.
I just wanted to add what I've learned that I found most helpful.
In Leviticus 18:22 the word translated into abomination is to’evah.
This word is used over 100 times in the bible.
Other things the bible says is to’evah:
eating pork
For Egyptians - having a meal with Israelites / all shepherds.
having sex with a menstruating woman
Wearing clothes made of mixed cloth
Sacrificing an animal that is flawed

Jan 22, 2018
See Genesis about Sodom and Gomorrah
by: Mary

These cities were destroyed by God due to unnatural sexual practices and other immoral practices. Please read this story in Genesis.

Rick's comment: Hi Mary - These study guide questions teach what really happened in Genesis 19.

FREE - My Sodom 101 Seminar Genesis 19 - Study Guide Questions

Feb 13, 2019
There is one Judge
by: Vikky Lynne

I read the Bible everyday and there are lots of questions that I have too, mostly about gay and lesbians. God created us, that makes me confused. I have a friend that is Gay and he is a Christian and I asked him what he thinks about the bible saying being a gay is a sin. he said there is one Judge and no one should Judge me and he said God is the Judge. I agree 100% we will never know! until that day comes.

Rick's comment: Hi Vikky Lynne - Thanks for your comment. This entire website exists to help us know right now, that it's okay to be gay or lesbian.

I hope you will click on the NavBar Buttons and discover the truth about the clobber passages.

Oct 22, 2019
Biblical Truth
by: K Robinson

You cannot reinterpret the Bible to make it fit with your personal views. God does not change nor does Scripture. Homosexuality is against the natural order of things and God prohibits it in all circumstances. God says it is an abomination, therefore, it is. If a person has a sexual desire or feelings for another person of the same sex, they need to renew their mind and seek God for healing. Justifying something that is not Scripturally sound is not the answer and will not bring one closer to God.

Rick's comment: Hi K Robinson - When I disagree with you on the gay issue, that does not mean I am the one reinterpreting the Bible to make it fit my personal views.

Blindly clinging to a false belief, like you are doing, isn't biblical or Christian or spiritual.

Mar 30, 2020
by: Alex

All these verses just to try justify homosexuality, the most creative excuse was the "doing it for moloch"

It's simple, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ends this debate. Take note on verse 11.."and such WERE some of you". Meaning.. NOT Anymore!! ---regardless of moloch or God.

If you are homosexual, you do not inherit the kingdom of God.

Eternal HELL FIRE will be your final end.
Rethink your status or perish.

Rick's comment: Hi Alex - Every verse in the Bible should be read, in context.

1. Context includes: biblical context - where is it found in the Bible?

2. Cultural context - what did the verse mean in the cultural context in which it was given?

3. Doctrinal context - what did God intend to teach us doctrinally with the verse(s) we are studying?

4. Historical context - what was going on when these verses were given? What was happening in the world in biblical times, which caused God to put these verses in the Bible?

5. Linguistic context - what words were used and what did the words mean at the time they were written down in the Bible?

6. Religious context - what false religions were surrounding Israel and influencing Christians, causing them to stray from God?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 was given in the context of Corinthian idolatry, where many shrine prostitutes were getting saved and having big struggles as baby Christians.

Paul tells the Corinthian Christians that they got saved out of the sins which still beset some of them. He is telling them, God saved you out of those sins so don't keep going back to your old life.

You've been washed in the blood of God's holy Lamb. You've been given the righteousness of Christ.

Therefore, start living like you are new creatures in Christ.

"And such were some of you..." Paul clearly states that they are saved and no longer headed for hell.

He most definitely is not saying, they are in danger of losing their salvation.

He is giving them fatherly, pastorly admonition to quit the old life; put off the old man and put on the new man, Ephesians 4:22-24.

Live like God saved you to live - live for Jesus!

What is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 about?

What does arsenokoites mean in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11?

God bless you Alex - I hope this answer is helpful.

Oct 14, 2020
Man having sex with another man
by: Oscar muniz

Thank you for answering my question about man having sex with another man. I like to learn more about the bible and enjoy it very much. And once again thank you . God bless y’all always. Amen.

Rick's comment: Hi Oscar - You're welcome.

What must I do to be saved?

Jun 07, 2021
by: John

What churches were you a Pastor at?

Rick's comment: Hi John - My testimony and some of the churches I pastored can be found at this link.

Rick Brentlinger's Testimony

Sep 21, 2023
That's not what Leviticus says
by: Rusty

In Leviticus God is totaly finished discussing Molech when he starts listing individual sins and their ramifications. Then he says it's an abomination for a man to lay with a man like he lay with a woman.

Leviticus 20:13 had nothing to do with Molech. One may clarify by reading Lev 18. God mentions homosexuality FIRST then talks about worshiping Molech.

Rick's comment: Hi Rusty - For the Bible, for God and for Moses, the context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is:

1. They are both part of the Levitical Holiness Code - Leviticus 17-26.

2. Leviticus 17:7 - "And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils, after whom they have gone a whoring. This shall be a statute for ever unto them throughout their generations."

3. Leviticus 18:3 - "After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances."

4. Leviticus 18:21 - "And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD."

THAT is the context of Leviticus 18:22.

5. Leviticus 20:2 - Put to death anyone who gives his seed to Molech.

6. Leviticus 20:3 - God will cut off anyone who gives his seed to Molech.

7. Leviticus 20:4 - Kill any of your brethren who gives his seed to Molech.

8. Leviticus 20:5 - God will cut off any who commit whoredom with Molech.

THAT is the context of Leviticus 20:13.

Rusty, are you saying that mentioning whoring after other gods and mentioning Molech 5 times in the context, indicates that Leviticus 20:13 has nothing to do with Molech?

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 is about Shrine Prostitutes.

Nov 12, 2023
Romans 1
by: Terry

Hi Rick - just read Romans 1. It seems to me that Paul is talking to everyone when he says "they were given over". Gods goodness is truly evident for everyone to see in creation .

God created Adam. Then created Eve as his help mate. She was the perfect match for Adam. Why would he make a perfect mate then say it’s ok to try to mate with someone that can’t reproduce?

Rick's comment: Hi Terry - Adam and Eve were perfect for each other in the unfallen world God originally created. We do not live in an unfallen world. Ourselves and our world have been impacted by the fall of Adam.

Consider also that God included in unfallen Adam and Eve the potential for some people to be born who would be celibate and never marry and never reproduce and for some to be born who would be attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex.

Don’t see how the average Christian can begin to understand all the language of the original writings of the Bible. It seems to me that it shouldn’t be that hard to comprehend.

Rick's comment: All Christians are given 2 Timothy 2:15 to obey. The easy things in the Bible are easily understandable but there are also things in the Bible harder to be understood and those harder things require more study.

The teachers you quote seem to say that certain things are "possible ". But not absolute. The original language you talk about . The translation of the words. Don’t know if I’m making sense to you.

So would you say that you are 100% certain that you are correct? And that those that don’t see it your way are incorrect?

Rick's comment: Since we are human, we can never be 100% certain in the way that God is 100% certain. We can be certain when God makes statements of certainty in the Bible. As human beings, we do not speak with the indubitibility which God possesses but what we have as human beings is Sufficient Probability.

You are asking the Indubitibility Question, which I answer when you click the Link.

Maybe meaning that you are more enlightened . With clearer thinking? I can see your points, but not totally convinced because of creation. Thank you man for making me think..

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