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I received this from Ravena who describes herself as an atheist lesbian. Here are her questions and my answers.
Atheist vs. ChristianRavena writes:
I want to start off and say that I am an atheist and a lesbian, this discussion intrigued me, so I decided to take a look. I looked at the verse (Romans 1:26-27) IN context and OUT of context. It doesn't change the meaning at all. I even used the most reliable translation. It is against homosexual tendencies
& acts, as much as I wish it wasn't.Rick's comment: The context of Paul's argument in Romans 1 has absolutely nothing to do with anyone being gay or lesbian. To say that context doesn't change the meaning of the verses indicates you do not understand the context.
1. Paul describes Gentile idolatry in Romans 1. Ravena writes:
2. Paul then illustrates Gentile idolatry by describing idols and idol worship. He then gives examples of women who worshiped idols, v. 26, and men who worshiped idols, v. 27, in first century Rome.
3. For historical context, Romans is written around A.D. 58. For religious context, the fertility goddess Cybele was Protectress of Rome, with five temples in ancient Rome dedicated to her worship.
For cultural context, the likeness of Cybele even appeared on Roman coins in circulation in the mid-first century A.D. Here are links which further explain the context.
1. How can we be sure what Paul was talking about in Romans 1?
2. The context of Romans 1 is idolatry temple prostitution.
3. Does likewise in Romans 1:27 equate gay sex with lesbian sex?
4. How did you decide that Romans 1:26 does not condemn lesbians?
As well, think of Sodom--the city that went up in smoke. Two angels in human form visited the only good man there. Other men crowded around the house, demanding that the two "men" come out so they could have sex with them. That was the last straw, and God torched the place.Rick's comment: The story of Sodom is one of the easiest allegedly anti-gay passages to debunk. Even anti-gay evangelicals now admit that the Sodom story is not really about homosexuality.
According to the Bible, no one in Sodom is said to be gay. No one in Sodom is described as having gay sex. No one in Sodom is said to have a gay marriage. No one in Sodom is destroyed for being homosexual.
God carefully describes Sodom's sin in Ezekiel 16:48ff. and it is not homosexuality. These links provide more information.
1. The honest truth about Sodom.
2. The ancient Jewish understanding of Sodom.
3. Inhospitality is the Bible reason for God's judgment on Sodom.Ravena writes:
I suppose God designed men and woman to work a certain way with each other. And two men or two women engaged in a relationship is "unnatural", to say in the least. Rick's comment: It is wrong to buy into the false accusations of the anti-gay crowd. Paul's use of the words, against nature, had nothing to do with two men or two women falling in love and spending their lives in committed partnership.
1. What does the phrase, against nature, mean in Romans 1?
2. How can immoral homosexual relationships be Christ-like?
3. There's more to Complementarity than Adam and Eve.Ravena writes:
Men and women were built to have sex with and impregnate. "Go and multiply" apparently. "Love" or "Born this way" doesn't make it right, according to the bible. I was born with sin
. The point is whether I will ACT upon my lusts and temptations. But, after a verse I read that prohibited homosexuality, God then went on to say that through Jesus you are forgiven
You Christians are funny. Twisting words to fit your own personal opinions, wants, and beliefs. Sometimes you even say "Well, the bible was written by human hands, so it could be errored or the verse wasn't suppose to be in there." or "It says THIS but it could ---even though I have hardly any sufficient proof and despite the fact that I study the culture back then I will NEVER really know how things worked--- mean THIS."
Why would I want to join a religion that has no faith in its own Bible?
I'm pretty sure God wrote in a way that future generations would be able to understand as well. (I know I shouldn't judge God by some of His screwed up little followers, but still.)
Don't try to witness to me
. I know all the games. All the words. All the logic. I'm old enough to have experienced all that.Rick's comment: I've never been able to get my mind around the atheist belief that, Nothing created everything. I do hope you will revisit the context of Romans 1:26-27 by exploring the links I've provided. Thanks for your interesting questions and statements. And just for fun, you may want to take the Are you a good person? test. It's just four easy questions.
Did nothing create everything?
Professor Paul Davies, a physicist at Arizona State University writes: “Even if we don’t have a precise idea of exactly what took place at the beginning, we can at least see that the origin of the universe from nothing
need not be unlawful or unnatural or unscientific.”
A British physicist, Robert A.J. Matthews of Ashton University in England, writes: “It is now becoming clear that everything can – and probably did – come from nothing
Richard Dawkins, in his book, “The Ancestor’s Tale”
2004, writes: “The fact that life evolved out of nearly nothing
, some 10 billion years after the universe evolved literally out of nothing
, is a fact so staggering that I would be mad to attempt words to do it justice.”
Nothing + Nobody never = Everything. Does the Bible say
homosexuals will go to hell?
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