What is the purpose of committed gay relationships?

by Jean

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Rick Brentlinger Answers -

In the Bible, the primary purpose for marriage (what some gays and lesbians call a committed faithful partnership) is companionship.

God Himself recognized that Adam, a perfect man in a perfect, unfallen world, with God as his intimate companion, was still alone. And so the Bible says:

"And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet (fitting) for him." -Genesis 2:18

1. God created human beings as social creatures with a deep inner need to love and to be loved. Solomon remarks on this human need for companionship in Ecclesiastes when he says:

"two are better than one" and"woe to him that is alone." -Ecclesiastes 4:9-10

2. If a perfect man like Adam, who had never sinned, still needed a companion, we must recognize that same need in ourselves and allow God to meet our need in His own way.

Heterosexuals need a heterosexual companion while homosexuals need a same sex companion.

3. In the Bible, another purpose of marriage (committed partnership) is to avoid fornication. God created our sex drive for far more than just reproduction.

God created sex to be enjoyable and fulfilling and necessary to our mental, emotional, physical and spiritual well-being.

Yet while God created us with great capacity to enjoy sexual partnership, God also created marriage (committed partnership) as His safe outlet for our sex drive.

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband...

I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.

But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."
-1 Corinthians 7:2, 8-9

Non-gay Christians often quote verse 2 to "prove" that God is against gay and lesbian committed relationships.

A better understanding is that God addressed the 95% who are heterosexual, knowing that the rest of us would have enough common sense to understand that same sex attracted individuals should also partner with a same sex partner "to avoid fornication."

4. The fourth reason for marriage is procreation. Twice, God encouraged humanity to:

"Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth." -Genesis 1:28, 9:1

Certainly God's command to be fruitful and multiply has been obeyed to a great degree at this point in history since there are now almost 7 billion people on earth.

Some heterosexual couples do not have children, just as many gay and lesbian couples do not have children. Whether or not a couple has children, a loving, faithful, supportive marriage partnership offers many tangible benefits to both heterosexual and homosexuals.

But why do gays and lesbians
have to get married?

Much like a heterosexual marriage, a committed gay partnership unites a couple emotionally, physically and spiritually in their own eyes, in the eyes of their family and friends and in the eyes of the community.

A gay partnership is a moral commitment based on a solid foundation of mutual self-sacrificing love, a desire to do more together for God than could be done separately, a desire to invest in each other's lives, serving God in partnership, plus shared beliefs and values, shared goals and a desire to be faithful to one individual for life.

A gay partnership is also a legal commitment (in areas where such a partnership is legal) which conveys legal protections for the committed couple which are unavailable for two people who simply live together.

An interesting Jewish viewpoint

Orthodox Rabbi Aryeh Pamensky views a strong marriage as the foundation of a strong spiritual relationship with God. Says Rabbi Pamensky:

"In teaching the commandment to love God, Maimonides, the 12th century Jewish philosopher and scholar, writes that one's love for God should parallel one's love for a spouse, though the former should be even more intense.

One should be "love sick," thinking of your spouse "whether you are sitting or standing, eating or drinking." The connection to your spouse should be so intense that he/she is with you in every aspect - in your heart, your mind and your soul.

Once you experience this passion through the physical realm of marriage, you have acquired the tools to connect to the spiritual equivalent and create a loving connection with your Creator. Your intimacy with the Divine will be determined by the very depth and intensity of passion you share with your spouse."

"I am my beloved's and
my beloved is mine."

-Song of Solomon 6:3

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Jun 10, 2011
You are not God
by: Pastor Jennings

We are not God. There is only one Creator and that is God. God ordain man to be with a women that is the order of God from the beginning. If God is ok with Homoesexuality how come we never see two animal of the same sex trying to mate; and they where suppose to be the wild ones.

Jun 10, 2011
We don't take our marriage cues from animals
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Pastor Jennings- You're right. We are not God and we are not animals. That's why we don't take our marriage cues from animals.

God created the human race to be superior to, elevated above and different than animals.

Apr 16, 2012
why we need marriages and commitments
by: Anonymous

my problem is, i want a marriage commitment to my same sex partner but she just wants a day to day basis and says we never know about tomorrow. she hates when i say we stood before god and you said before him you would honor love me until death do us part. she now feels trapped. i think marriage commitments make us stronger. i don't think: well i'll just live with her so no hassle as to leaving cause i'm not bound

Apr 20, 2012
No Excuse, It is an Abomination!
by: Anonymous

This is a homosexual person still trying to justify marring another, but the writing on the wall doesn't change no matter how it's interpreted, "Homosexuality and lesbianism is an abomination according to the Word of God!
An abomination is something God doesn't like, He hates it so he did not make a person gay, the person did with the help and influence of Satan's devilish ways.

No one was born gay, for whatever reason, "They chose to be gay, and God does not like it!"

Rick's comment: So sorry for the rage which infests your mind. I hope you'll get saved and start believing what the Bible says in context instead of making wicked accusations against your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

May 29, 2012
A startling stupidity
by: Anonymous

God saw Adam was alone so He created Eve. By you saying and believing that homosexual relationships are okay you are basically punching God in the face with your sin. You are saying that God does't know what He is doing and He doesnt know what we need and His idea of marriage is false. Man and woman were meant for each other, you can see it in the way the Lord designed us. We literally fit (physically and spiritually). And homosexuality is basically unnatural. Why do you think a man and another man can't procreate? Or a woman and woman? Because it is unnatural (and with God being the creator of nature, it would also be unGodly or against God).

Rick's comment: You demonstrate a startling stupidity. Gays acknowledge that between 90% to 95% of humanity is heterosexual. Why aren't you honest enough to admit that 5% to 10% of humanity is homosexual?

Let him that is ignorant be ignorant still. 1 Cor 14:38

May 30, 2012
A startling stupidity? Really?
by: Anonymous

Number one in no way did i call you names and in no way did I title my comment "a startling stupidity". If you are going to run a blog you have to be fair, you have to take your emotions out of it, and you can't be offending people for their opinion. Number two when did i say that i dont acknowledge gays? Obviously, I acknowledge the homosexual relationships do exist, my point was whether or not its biblical or a sin for that matter.

I think that everyone here commenting and trying to help you guys see the light is just wasting precious time they could be using to go spread the word to someone who is willing to listen. So with that being said, I will leave you to your lifestyle but I would like to point out that in noooooooo way am I offending you or homosexual relationships, I just disagree with it. Just like I disagree with fornication, adultery, stesling, lying etc.

Rick's comment: Yep, really! You say you just disagree with us BUT you also refuse to educate yourself on the issues AND you vote to take away our civil rights AND etc.

FYI, you must have the light before you can help others see the light.

May 30, 2012
My last comment
by: Anonymous

I think that this is tedious and I won't say any more after this. I believe that you are closed minded to any other opinion outside of yours. I have met a few homosexual people with tendencies toward christianity and its crazy because they are actually openminded when we have these kind of conversations.They don't offend just because I disagree with their lifestyle, they deffinitely don't act with the same rage as you act towards the people here commenting and giving their honest opinion. I mean think about, you have a blog where people all around the world are going to disagree with you and fighting them in this ungodly manner isn't going to help your cause. You are too angry but not towards me, to yourself.You should really consider why there are sooooo many people against what you believe. Once again and for the last time I am not trying to offend you and would immensely appreciate if you would stop offending me. Thank you and God Bless you.

Rick's comment: Closed minded? Yet you are the one who parrots the anti-gay party line and refuses to study the Bible in context.

You confuse truth with anger and rage. Insisting that scripture be interpreted in context is not ungodly.

Calling ours a lifestyle while insisting that yours is a sexual orientation is not honest interaction. It's a snarky way of dissing us while seeming to be kind. It betrays the bigotry in your heart even though you profess otherwise. Isn't it time to grow up and confront your bigotry?

Jul 18, 2012
My Two Cents
by: Anonymous

I just kinda stumbled upon this website by accident. I was not looking for a "gay christian" website at all but since I'm here, here's my two cents on being gay, gay marriage, etc...
Gay people are so quick to say that they "are born this way" but the bible says ..."YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN"! Just because someone feels attraction and/or desire toward the same gender doesn't mean to act on those feelings....If that were the case then someone who has the desire to kill, should act on that desire as well, or a recovering alcoholic or drug user should take that drink again or shoot drugs in their arm, or a pedifile should act on the feeling and/or desire of being intimate with a young child, get it? (I could go on with the examples). Gay people are confused. Their "lifestyle", "partners" "unions" and all that junk is about them being accepted because they are lost & desperate for love & attention. (I don't have enough space & time to go further into that comment). Yes, God loves you too. Yes, Jesus will be your Savior as well, but you gay people MUST REPENT to be saved. What the gay community has done and are doing, they are doing on their own. Gay marriage IS NOT COVENANT. It is against the scripture. The Bible doesn't speak of "unions" for same sex. God has not given us His Blessing to do such a thing. It's not holy or pure. It is of evil and of Satan. Here's my advice to you all (gay community) get on your face, this very moment, and repent to God!
Renounce this behavior. Deny those feelings and attractions because if you don't you'll end up hearing Jesus say to you "depart from me"..."you are evil & sinful for you do not want the things of God but the things of man!" I type this comment with nothing but Love in my heart for you all. God Be With You.

Rick's comment: Amazing ignorance and amazing arrogance. We at GC101 are soul-winners and we teach people God's truth about repentance and justification by faith plus lots of other information.

I wish you guys who post this anti-gay drivel would get a clue and obey 2 Tim 2:15. Remember, if you are saved, you too are going to stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Jul 20, 2012
Not 100 % convinced but...
by: Anonymous

Hello Rick and the GayChristian101 Team,

For several years, as a christian, I have struggled to take a stand for or against homosexuality. I have come to accept that maybe Jesus didn't talk about these things because he considered them 'minor' and like so many other things, we may not truly grasp the concept of sexuality till go meet our savior. However, as I grow in understanding about these issues, I have come to realize that LOVE is the most important commandment and sexuality is such a complex human characteristic that will take even more decades to unravel.

In light of these thing, I also have come to the understanding that gay people also have desires and needs which are the exact same for heterosexual people; the need for a savior and the desire for love and companionship. So, thank you GayChristian101 for helping gay Christians who are the minority of the minority accept themselves and find hope in Christ.

Sadly, Christ did not have specific teachings about sexuality and was not explicit about what is 'right' or 'wrong' but he was explicit about LOVE and GRACE. Thank you for showing everyone, both gay and straight, that.

Rick's comment: I'm thankful we can be helpful to you on your spiritual journey. Something for all of us to remember.

1. Jesus was the Word in human flesh.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." - Gospel of John 1:1, 14

2. Jesus was God manifest in human flesh.

"great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." - 1 Timothy 3:16

3. God Himself gave us the scriptures.

"And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" - 2 Timothy 3:15-16

4. Therefore when the Bible speaks, Jesus speaks since Jesus is the Word.

So, when the Bible gives us information about holiness and sexuality, grace and truth, we believe that information comes to us from Jesus Himself. Does Jesus love, bless, redeem and save GLBTs? Yes absolutely and without changing our sexual orientation.

Dec 04, 2012
by: Anonymous

I can only say wow. This is very touching. I pray that God will help us to walk in love.

May 02, 2013
by: Anonymous

I was raised in a pastors home. I was taught the Word if God and have read and studied the bible quite a bit. I don't know the original text or context, but was raised to believe that homosexuality is sin. That sin separates us from God. I'm taught that satan is the author of confusion. And here I sit confused. I began noticing I was different before I started school. I'd never seen or been exposed to homosexual relationships, movies, partners, or anything as I was very protected. I first acted on my true feelings after a long 17 years of denying what I felt. I had prayed to be transformed and tried by the "renewing of my mind" according to scripture. 5 years into my 1st and at the time only lesbian relationship, my life shattered when she and I broke up. I again tried to be normal, repenting, begging for change, determining to be alone, and in between trying to be changed slept with a man, got pregnant, got left with a baby on the way and again returned to Christ. He had never left. For 12 years after he was born I lived alone. Raised him as I was raised. Struggled with my feelings. Begged God to send a Godly man to be my husband and a father to my son. He never did. I was a youth pastor, worship leader, a good mother but I was never transformed. I let the ministers cast out the demon of homosexuality...nothing left. I renounced soul ties. And now, 13 years later I am 1 1/2 years into a relationship with a woman who loves me and my son like no man ever did. I wish I were heterosexual...

I haven't been able to reconcile my faith with who I am. Are we born this way? I sure feel that after desperate pleas to overcome this sin that I committed at 5 to be given over to these desires or to break the generational curse that the sins of the father are passed down to the sons to the 3rd and 4th generations, that if I wasn't born this way, and God didn't change me, and it wasn't his desire for me to be alone.... That either we as Christians ( Followers of Christ not religious hypocrites) have terribly misinterpreted Gods word or I was put here to serve my purpose but then be cast away. I really hurt over this. I don't think any of us have the answers. God doesn't tolerate sin and I know that, but if I want to be His and have done all I can, it's hard to imagine the hell that awaits if what we've been taught really is true. I only hope we all find peace. I don't judge, we all have human rights, God gave us the right to choose, but now what?

Rick's comment: I encourage you to read our Gay Christian FAQ and the info under our NavBar section, What The Bible Says.

You have been taught a lot of disinformation and false information but God has blessing, grace and glory for you in spite of what you were taught.

Jul 31, 2013
I am a gay teen guy, so confused
by: Zheng

Hi :) When i was 6 years old i had a crush on a boy in 1st grade. Later as i got older i heard of homosexuality being wrong so i denied i was gay. Now that i am 16 absolutely nothing has changed :( People say abuse can cause homosexuality and i was abused as a kid so i thought that was why i was gay.

When people tell me homosexuality is a sin they usually quote the verse where it says sex with same gender ppl is an abomination. Or "homosexual offenders" wont go to heaven. I have no idea which is true. Your interpretation seems just as valid as other christians who disagree with homosexuality. It seems the bible can mean 2 things, either it is wrong or it is fine.

Rick's comment: Context is important when trying to understand the Bible. It helps to remember that NONE of the clobber passages are in the context of two gay guys or two gay gals falling in love and spending their lives together as a couple.

The context of all of the clobber passages is cult or shrine or temple prostitutes: NOT gay men, NOT lesbians, NOT bisexuals, NOT transgender people. Our Gay Christian FAQ has lots of helpful information.

May 10, 2014
God Loves everyone
by: Hello there :)

Really it is not a war of whether he will condemn us to hell but of really that he will forgive us of our sins by repenting and asking for forgiveness he know we are not perfect but remember you will not see the gates of heaven if you don't go to your childish ways and be innocent he wants us to think as children to worship him and honor him even before we had any sexual feelings towards anyone remember the spirit is not sexual its amazingly pure and amazing and im 15.

Rick's comment: Yes, God does love everyone and Jesus died for our sins but no one is automatically saved just because Jesus died.

We must repent and receive the gift of eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord, Romans 5:17, 6:23. Here's how to get saved.

Jun 03, 2014
If God condones homosexual marriages
by: Anonymous

I hope you won't get offended. Im just interesting in hearing your views on the following questions.If homosexual covenants are endorsed by God,why aren't there any guidelines for these covenants? Why does does the bible talk about a man and a woman joining together and becoming one flesh, but not that a man and man, and a woman and a woman can become one flesh also? It seems that if this were the case, the bible just would've said when two PEOPLE marry they become one flesh, instead of being so gender specific. Also, whenever marriage is referenced in the bible, it's always about a husband and a wife.

Wouldn't it make sense for the bible to also speak on the marriage of two men and two women if it were ok? Marriage is also supposed to be a representation of Christ's relationship with the church ( Ephesians 5:22-23). The husband is the head of the wife household spirtually, just as Christ is the head of the church. So how can a homosexual marriage show this? Who would be the head of whom?

Rick's comment: 1. The Bible is written in hetero language because 95% of the human race is heterosexual. That doesn't mean God hates or excludes gays.

2. There were not a lot of gay marriages in the Old Testament time frame because their culture was entirely different. There were more gay partnerships in the New Testament time frame but they were not widely accepted.

Divorce, ending slavery and women's rights were not a common part of ancient culture so they also are not much mentioned in scripture as being okay.

The Bible addressed the culture as it found it back then. Yet the Holy Spirit carefully includes the amazing love story of David and Jonathan in scripture.

Concerning the bride of Christ, may I ask you a question? How can hundreds of millions of MEN be the bride of Christ? Why do you raise that as an objection to gay marriage?

Does Christs bride affirm or deny gay marriage?

Jul 03, 2014
Preach it, brother
by: Michelle

I hope that a lot of people read this article. Statistics about promiscuity and lack of commitment among homosexuals bother me a lot, particularly since a lot of people interpret those statistics to mean that homosexuals CAN'T have committed relationships, which I think can't be true. At the same time, it bothers me when people decry homosexuals for lack of commitment and deny them marriage in the same breath. Rather than denying marriage, encouraging commitment makes more sense. I think I might show this article to my brother, who is gay and in a relationship he is hoping to make long-term.

Jun 27, 2015
by: lisa

First and foremost I think telling gay people they are a dirty filthy pack of sinners is a loss for everyone. God teaches about love, if you condemn people you push them to be more of what you are "trying" to be against. Therefore creating the opposite effect. So just stop and give gay people respect on their own site.

Secondly, I have seen a lot of people take the bible and certain scriptures as well as passages from known authors, pastors, theologians, etc and use it to justify what they are saying. It's called layering you take facts and layer it with your opinion to pass a point. So it remains a fact that Rick could be wrong NIV could be wrong either way the possibility is a reality when you put human beings into the mix because we are faulty by nature.

Thirdly, my personal opinion. The closer a person is to God and His word the more peaceful their lives are (from my experience). So if this site brings gay people closer to Him than they would be without it then Rick is trying and his efforts are applauded.

Fourthly, my personal opinion..someone brought up before. If God was for people being gay why would he have the largest selling book in history which is representing him only cover male and female? You seem to know your scripture well, better than myself to be honest so a question for you. What would you suggest gay Christians do when reading the bible? I ask because some parts about it conflict with the lifestyle and what about the people that feel conflicted by reading something that has so many passages that are not relatable. If anything, address what you do so that someone might be helped. And Rick might say well that (I may not relate to some parts as well). Which is logical. I personally havent yet but I am on my journey to get closer to His word and ways so when or if I do I will be honest and come here.

Conclusively, I have met a lot of gay people that are in a lot of pain as I have met straight people who are in pain. How hard a journey to not be accepted by so many just for being who you believe you are. Today they passed gay marriage. I am happy for a lot of the legal benefits gay people now have. As far as if a spouse dies and you spent a lifetime together there are rights in place to protect the life that was built. Such as property, taxes, retirement, etc. So congratulations to that.

Just know that we are all sinners and not perfect. The only person that loves us perfectly with our flaws is God. I encourage you all hetero and gay to just find peace for yourself through God's word and have Him lead your daily thoughts towards peace no matter what adversity this life brings. Also know that Christians that condemn you are not exhibiting the perfect Love of God. To be honest the hateful harsh words are a reflection of their hate, but sometimes some people communicate concern in the worst way. Learn to forgive those that hurt you. It's to your own benefit because holding onto pain causes more pain.

Remember God loves you perfectly so seek Him.

Thanks for this website Rick ; )

Rick's comment: Hi Lisa - The best way to learn the Bible is:

1. Know for sure you are saved.

2. Read the New Testament 2 or 3 times, cover to cover. The NT is only about 300 pages long so most people can read through it in a month. Your goal is to grow closer to Jesus and to learn the Bible so your plan can be to turn off the TV and spend a couple of hours you'd normally spend watching TV on reading your Bible.

3. Then read through the Old Testament. The OT has some chapters that are kind of hard to understand so it helps to have a good study Bible, with notes and cross references and explanations of difficult passages.

4. As you read, highlite verses that stand out to you. Underline words. Make notes in the margins when the Holy Spirit impresses upon your heart a particular teaching.

5. Get a study Bible like the KJV Study Bible or the MacArthur Study Bible or the NIV Study Bible or the ESV Study Bible. Amazon has them or Christian Book Distributors, CBD online. The notes will help you understand the hard to understand passages and will explain the cultural and historical context.

Hope this is helpful.

Jun 28, 2015
i am a sinner
by: formerly fornicating hedonist

as a professional musician born in the 1960's i have survived decades of sexual revolution, free love, aids, abortions, adultery, divorce, open marriage, swinging, rape. i became sexually active before i entered kindergarten.

as a child and youth, i survived being fondled, molested, coerced, bribed, tricked, threatened into sex several times. this started at a very early age and reached the worse moment when i became a victim and survivor of a serial killer.

after several sincere spirtual adventures in atheism, agnosticism, satanism, hinduism, judaism, islamism, buddhism, hedonism, nihilism, eckankar, intellectualism, materialism, hermeticism, shamanism, paganism, sun worship, drug worship, sex worship, i eventually and inevitably became a follower and believer in christ jesus. scripture confirms everything i have every learned in life, through hard earned personal experience.

my life has been one long spiritual struggle. i am one of the worse blaspheming skeptical doubting arrogant rebellious sinners on this planet. i repent! i do not regret my past.

it has brought me to my knees before my creator. i thank god for the suffering i have endured. i count it all joy.

i honestly believe that each and every person will be judged, by god the almighty creator. every decision and action taken has a consequence. each and every soul must concern himself with his own personal relationship with the creator.

when challenged, the messiah answered:

The two great commandments that contain the whole law of God are: 1: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength; 2: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

And one of them, a doctor of the Law, putting him to the test, asked him, "Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?" Jesus said to him, "'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind.' This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like it, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:35-40)

what else did jesus say about us humans?

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:1-5)


sending out my love to all the sinners and saints and survivors out there!! I LOVE YOU ALL. i even love the people who raped me. with the help of god and the power of prayer, i have forgiven all my abusers FOR WHAT THEY DID TO ME. this does not condone, pardon, excuse, permit, allow, approve or in any way support what they did to me or their many other victims. they still have to deal with the big boss directly. AS DO WE ALL!

"Let God be true though every one were a liar. There is not one truly righteous person on the earth who continually does good and never sins. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. There is no one righteous, not even one. For the one who obeys the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it.

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God will repay each person according to what they have done."

"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."

Rick's comment: What must I do to be saved?

Sep 22, 2015
homosexual marriage not in bible
by: scott

Hey rick i got a little homework for you show me a passage in the bible where GOD ordained or blessed a homosexual or lesbian marriage. Guess what you can look forever because its not there. GOD would never ordain something HE considers an abomination.

Rick's comment: Hi Scott - I have homework for you too. Show me in the Bible where it's okay for Christians and pastors to get married and divorced and remarried and divorced and remarried.

Show me in the Bible where it's okay for heterosexuals to get married in a church building, with a denominationally affiliated pastor performing the ceremony.

Guess what? You can look forever because those things are not in the Bible. Time to stop playing gotcha and grow up spiritually.

Apr 09, 2016
But what about 1 Cor 6:9-10
by: AC

So I am not anti-gay but I am a Christian trying to find out more about both sides. So what about 1 Corinthians 6:9-10? This is not a hate post! I would just like some feedback on your personal beliefs on the meaning of that verse which seems at face value to call homosexuality a sin.

Rick's comment: Hi AC - I have lots of information to help answer your question. Here are some links to starter pages, which also contain links to even more information.

The Greek word, Malakoi, in 1 Cor 6:9

The Greek word, Arsenokoitai, in 1 Cor 6:9

What words could Paul have used if he intended to condemn homosexuality?

Aug 30, 2016
Still confused
by: Anyone

I got saved as a teen. I've been attracted to women since I was a young girl but was also attracted to men. Now I find the attraction shifting more strongly toward women though I've only ever been in relationships with men. For years I fought it and fought it. I've now come to accept who I am. I'm still slightly attracted to men though less so.

For some years now as a Christian I have felt like an outsider looking in and when I realized my feelings for women weren't going away it was like the death knell to my faith. I told God it's Him and my sexuality verses Him or my sexuality.

To all these homophobic Christians bashing this site, this might be our last hope or we walk away from Christ forever. I can't believe in a God that would torment me in such a way. I've prayed, rebuked and had faith that it would go away to no avail. Now I simply am a lesbian.

Rick's comment: I believe it is a serious mistake to allow anti-gay idiots to drive you away from being a committed disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. NEVER allow them to steal your joy in the Lord and the peace of God in your heart.

Don't give any space in your head to people who rip verses out of context to condemn. Enjoy the blessings of God, rejoice in His goodness and read and study the Bible so that you know it better than the folks who condemn you.

They don't have a monopoly on God's blessings or God's truth. Be a vibrant Spirit-filled tract passing soul winning witnessing for Jesus lesbian.

"The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise." - Proverbs 11:30

"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." - Daniel 12:3

Aug 31, 2016
rick your 50 percent incorrect
by: julius

rick buddy not here to bash but if god doesnt condemn homosexuals then why does he call it a vile affection in romans 1 i looked at all your evidence but all to no avail. it was common for temple prostitutes to engage in filthy acts but that does not limit the context of the verse. just because it only occur in a religious worship doesnt mean its okay to do out of it either i also read one of your comments saying that please cite a bible verse where gay sex is wrong. it clearly defines it in romans 1 26-32. woman did change the natural use into that which is against nature 27 and likewise men also men leaving the NATURAL use for woman burn with there lust one toward another. it does not get any clearer then that i have to say rick i dont know why are you teaching people that being gay is who you are. that is a lie from satan so you can continue in your own lust. there is no genetic excuse for sin on judgement day do u think christ is gonna be okay with what you say saying that you made me this way i couldnt help it. lets get real here man i would not be so confident into thinking that those verses only meant temple prostitution which it was and i agree with you man. but here is the downside if homosexuality is only mention within religious worship then you cant dismiss all of the other acts that were sided along with this one too. god puts homosexual act in the same category as fornication, adultery , man sleeping with an animal dont believe me reread romans 1 the whole chapter and leviticus 20 you say that those verses only reffered to temple prostitutes i read the verse in clear depth and i came to the conclusion that your right it was but just because it was only in religious worship doesnt mean its okay out of it either do u get what im saying. i read all of your pages comments and everything i agree with most of the comments because there biblical view of it seems more plausible i know its not based on private interpretation as scripture saids but dont get too confident that this was only reffering to religious worship your basically saying its okay to engage in gay sex as long as its not temple prostitution that is a wrong assumption if you read the whole chapter of romans 1 it also says god gave them over to other filthy acts including fornication, wickedness, haters of god, murder, deceit, implacable, unmerciful, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION. so you see the meaning is still there no matter what. to say that sex act was only reffering to religious worship is fallacy. you might as well say okay its okay for a man to sleep with another woman before marriage as long as its not in temple prostitution im good no that is wrong. what about leviticus 20 i heard of the god molech it says in leviticus 20:13 if a man shall lie with a man as he lies with a woman. both have commited an abomination they shall surely be put to death. now in your view {which i dont believe} you say that its okay because it was only reffering to temple prostitution that the people worshipping molech were doing it. but also it says leviticus 20:9 for everyone who curse his father and his mother shall surely be put to death. so in your view its okay for me to curse my mom as long as im not worshipping molech right lol. if you disagree that its not okay to curse my mom at all then you should come to the same conclusion that its not okay for a man to lie with another man because both are in the same category.

Rick's comment: Hi Julius - In the clobber verses, God is prohibiting shrine prostitution, not two gay guys or two gay gals falling in love and spending their lives together as a couple.

In Leviticus 18:22, Moses analogizes shrine prostitution with incest and beastiality, not being gay with incest and beastiality. Think about it Julius.

God condemned two heterosexual on heterosexual rapes in Genesis 19 and a heterosexual on heterosexual rape in Judges 19 BUT that does NOT condemn heterosexual sex and heterosexual relationships which are NOT associated with rape.

Just so, condemning same sex rituals which worshiped Molech and his fertility goddess consort Ashtoreth in Leviticus and Cybele worship in Romans does NOT condemn homosexual sex and relationships which are NOT associated with idolatry.

Concerning Romans 1:26-27, I encourage you to study my Romans 1 starter page. It has lots of good factual information and lots of links to additional information. Go to Romans 1:26-27.

Sep 01, 2016
by: julius

i dont wanna bash gays or you i think your pretty confident in what you believe to be true but i cannot wrap my finger around it because you quoted leviticus 18:22 as reference to shrine prostitution but to me that feels like its not the case because it saids thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind it is an abomination which in your concept means shrine prostitution which in the dictionary is a sexual ritual consisting of sexual intercourse or any other sexual activity performed in the context of religious worship perhaps as a form of fertility right and divine marriage. it seems in my perspective this could ve had some relation to same sex attraction acts as condemned because it does say other sexual activity the meaning is quite clear to me even if i do read the whole chapter if your saying that this was reffering to shrine prostitution would you also say that beastility is in shrine prostitution if not then also lying with mankind is not. furthermore jesus would not contradict himself in matthew 19:12 he also said marriage to be between man and woman. the whole chapter of matthew 19 doesnt make one indicator that jesus could ve been meaning gays because of the way its used.

Rick's comment: Hi Julius - The context of Lev 18:22 is temple prostitution or shrine prostitution. I make that clear in the shrine prostitutes link I provided in my previous answer.

If you will not read that information, I don't know what else to say.

About Matthew 19:12, when Jesus uses the words a eunuch "so born from his mother's womb" in the first century AD, the group called, born eunuchs, included gays, lesbians and transgender people.

That is not something I made up. It is historical fact and I provide the citations on the born eunuchs - homosexual eunuchs page.

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