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Does the Bible say homosexuals will go to hell?

by Kam
(USA)

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No, the Bible NEVER says all homosexuals will go to hell. That is a myth based primarily on the NIV mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 plus the modern Christian mis-interpretation of Revelation 22:15.

Those are the most often used verses to teach that homosexuals will go to hell. Fortunately for saved homosexuals and unfortunately for those who use those verses against us, the verses do not teach or imply that homosexuals will go to hell.

Every homosexual - gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people - will go to heaven IF they trust Jesus Christ as their Savior.

I Cor 6:9 and Rev 22:15 describe pagan worshipers of the fertility goddess, not born again gay men or lesbian women or bisexuals or transsexuals.

Teaching that homosexuals will go to hell based on 1 Corinthians 6:9 occurs because many Christians misunderstand the Greek word, arsenokoitai.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoitai)," 1 Cor 6:9, KJV

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (arsenokoitai)" 1 Cor 6:9, NIV

Because the NIV did such a lousy job and mistranslated the Greek word, arsenokoitai, many people concluded that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.

If the NIV translators had bothered to study instead of just going by what the Greek lexicons say, the gay community could have avoided a lot of pain and heartache.

Arsenokoitai has never been a reference to a lesbian couple or a gay male couple. Instead, in the first century, arsenokoitai referred to shrine prostitution or rape or having sex with angels. That is the behavior Paul was describing when he used the Greek word, arsenokoitai.

"Outside (of the holy city) are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." Revelation 22:15, NIV

"Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deu 23:18, KJV

"You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute into the house of the Lord your God to pay any vow, because the Lord your God detests them both." Deu 23:18, NIV

The word "dog" describes one class of sinner who will not be in the New Jerusalem in heaven. Some Christians interpret Rev 22:15 to mean that all homosexuals are dogs and will not be in heaven. Of course, they are dead wrong and I'll be happy to tell them so IF THEY make it to heaven.

The Greek word for dogs is, kyon, sometimes meaning a dog or sometimes used metaphorically as in Revelation 22:15, as a reference to shrine prostitutes, Deu 23:18.

The word "dog" was used as an epithet to describe cult prostitutes, shrine prostitute, pagan temple prostitutes, who used sex to serve the fertility goddesses of ancient Canaan. Even one of the most virulently anti-gay Christians, Dr. Robert Gagnon, identifies the Greek word kyon as a reference to shrine prostitutes.

“The harsh descriptions of the qedesim in 1-2 Kings (1 Kgs 14:24: “even qades were in the land”) and Job 36:14, along with the epithet of “dog” in Deut 23:18, suggests a degree of revulsion more suited to same-sex male cult prostitution.” Robert Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 104

"The existence of male (same sex) cult prostitutes was well known to Jews of the period (the first century AD), as Philo's comments testify ...Thus the most likely explanation is that the term "dogs" in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 105

NOTE: The underlined portion is Dr. Gagnon inserting his opinion as if the Bible supports his opinion, which of course, it does not.

“That means Josiah’s action against the qedesim in the temple precincts was likely taken as a direct result of laws in Deut 23:17-18 regarding the qedesim or “dogs.” Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 106

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Does God forgive homosexuals if they
repent but continue to be gay?
Oh yes! God saves us from our sins, not from our sexual orientation. When anyone trusts Jesus Christ alone through faith alone (without works) for salvation, they are forgiven ALL their sins, past, present and future.

The slate is wiped clean so its as it they had never sinned and never would sin. Jesus' death on the Cross and God's forgiveness based on Jesus' payment for our sins covers EVERY sin of those who trust Jesus for salvation.

There is nothing in the Bible which indicates that God changes anyone's sexual orientation when He saves and forgives them.

The Bible never records that God or an apostle healed anyone of being gay or lesbian.

The belief that gays and lesbians must change their sexual orientation when they get saved is a personal belief of many Christians, based on their own opinion instead of on anything the Bible actually says.

Again, their opinion that homosexuals go to hell is partially based on the NIV's mis-translation of 1 Cor 6:9.

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Feb 01, 2010

no excuses.
by: Anonymous

Homosexuality is a sin and sin still sends you to hell.

Leviticus 20:13 KJV

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Twist that around to say it is not a sin, it is pretty straightly put.

Feb 01, 2010

Why didn't you read my comments?
by: Rick Brentlinger

When you've got an anti-gay ax to grind, its easy to rip one verse out of its context and assert that the verse you've ripped out of context defends your position, even when the verse does not mention hell.

Your problem is you read the Bible with blinders on, always trying to prove it means what you believe, always blind to attempts by the Holy Spirit to show you truth.

I pray you will come to know the grace of God in your own life so you can share His grace with others.

Mar 21, 2010

Read your bible and tell me what you think!
by: ROB

First of all if you are born again, you can not continue in homosexual, lesbian, or transgender activity. Remember the whole purpose of Repentance is to turn from your sin (WHATEVER SIN) and to GOD. GOD made woman for man, it honors GOD when husband and wife join together in Holy union. Homosexuality does not honor GOD or the order/function of the way GOD wanted families to live/operate. The devil is subtle and crafty, he'll twist the scripture to make sin seem like it's harmless to get people to live sinful lives. Homosexuality dishonors GOD because it's going against what he wanted on the earth. Also, remember that GOD gave mankind the power of CHOICE so people can't blame GOD for what we choose to do. If you continue in Homosexuality, Lesbianism, and Transgender; you are not Saved/Christian. The changed life of a sinner is the evidence of their salvation. So in the Holy name of Jesus I pray that you do what GOD designed your bodies for; Man to Marry and be united with Woman.

Mar 21, 2010

Typical goofy opinion while ignoring scripture
by: Rick Brentlinger

Rob-

Thanks for demonstrating the great need for this Gay Christian website to exist. Your Comment is so typical of anti-gay Christians who spout their own opinion while ignoring and refusing to deal with the hundreds of pages of thoughtful, scriptural information we provide here.

You've given zero verses in context to back up your opinions because scripture does not support your beliefs on the gay issue. So instead, all we get from you is conjecture, what you think the Bible would say IF God believed like you believe.

You pretend to KNOW what God wants for gays and lesbians, allowing your ill-informed opinion to substitute for the written words of God.

"But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." -1 Corinthians 14:38, American King James Version

Mar 21, 2010

why?
by: Anonymous

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"And God blessed them, saying. Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth."

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Why did God make a women for a man and call her to be his wife?
Why did God not make two men or two women to be together?

Is men and women not to marry and replentish the earth?
God didn't make two men or two women to conceive and replentish the earth. He made a man and a woman.
Did God not do the same with the animals so they could replentish? (a male and female).

Did God not have Noah take two of every living thing onto the ark. (one male and one female) so when the earth was destroyed by water they could survive to replentish the earth.

I don't understand how homosexuality, lesbian etc could have been in Gods works for the earth to continue.

Mar 22, 2010

Okay, let's think about this
by: Rick Brentlinger

God created Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth - that's true. It does not logically follow that every human being must marry an opposite sex partner and have children.

The Bible confirms this view by telling us that celibacy (someone remaining single and not getting married) is a gift which not everyone has, 1 Corinthians 7:7-8.

You're right that two men or two women cannot conceive together. It does not logically follow that only people who can conceive children together are allowed to get married.

And it does not naturally follow that two people who cannot conceive children together must be prevented from getting married.

1. Would you prevent a sterile man or sterile woman from getting married?

2. Would you prevent a elderly widow past child-bearing from getting married?

3. Would you prevent an elderly man with prostate cancer, who can no longer sire children, from getting married?

The argument is often made that two men or two women cannot have children. If we allow two men or two women to get married, pretty soon no one will have children and the human race will die out.

That's kinda silly isn't it?

About 95% of the human race is heterosexual and they're not interested in marrying a same sex partner.

About 5% of the human race is homosexual and they're not interested in marrying an opposite sex partner.

Earth's population today, March 21, 2010, is about 6.8 billion. Doesn't that indicate we've already been fruitful and multiplied and replenished the earth?

Apr 12, 2010

WOW!
by: JESUS FOLLOWER!

I'm not saying that being gay or lesbian is right. Of course its wrong and is not in accordance with GOD'S plan of life for humans, but from the time i was a child, currently 19, I have always been attracted to males and males only. THATS how i know its not my CHOICE. Of course i'm scared everyday of living eternity in the Lake of fire because of who i am after I die. But i DO PROFESS and BELIEVE in JESUS! So if he came to die for ALL of the wolrd's sins, then why is it that he can't save US because of what we like and do? Thats why Chirisianity itself, intolerant & Anti-Gay Christians like yourself confuses me and it makes me want to become an aithiest. But I know better! Thank you
Jesus for being my judge when I leave this body and not these religious leaders who if it was up to them, would CAST EVERYONE to THE LAKE!!!

Apr 28, 2010

Question
by: Anonymous

I personally think that homosexuality is wrong but I'm not against it and plus it's not my place to judge what other people do because we all sin.

I just have a question if you are a christian and a homosexual and you ask for God's forgiveness because being gay is a sin how does he forgive you for something your not going to stop? Are we not supposed to turn away from our wrongs?

Apr 29, 2010

Homosexuality is not a sin
by: Rick Brentlinger

I encourage you to read the answer to the question above these comments.

1. It is NOT a sin to be homosexual.

2. It is not a sin to be in a faithful, committed same sex relationship.

3. As far as God's forgiveness for anyone's sins, we are saved by God's grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone.

At the time of salvation, God forgives all our sins, past, present and future. He imputes the righteousness of Christ to our account so that we stand before God as if we had never sinned and never could sin.

That is all part of the doctrine of justification by faith - no works, no infused grace from any church, no requirement of baptism for salvation, no requirement to be a member of any church.

Salvation is a FREE gift which anyone can receive because it solely depends on the grace of God alone.

How to be saved and KNOW it.

May 13, 2010

Devil's tricks
by: Anonymous

I'm not convinced that the bible slanders homosexuals in any form. But it seems that corruption in the word of God is forming the idea that homosexuality is a heinous sin.

Is it not ingenious of the devil to turn mankind agents one another? If the devil can use man to corrupt the bible in a way to spread hate and disorder in society; Has he not won? It seems the true sin is the blasphemy that these people are spreading.

May 13, 2010

The Bible is not corrupt
by: Rick Brentlinger

Just for the record, the written word of God, the sixty-six books we call the Bible, is not corrupt. Unfortunately however, some modern translations like the NIV and the ESV use the word homosexual when that word never appeared in any Hebrew or Greek manuscripts of scripture.

Regardless of the efforts of anti-gay translators to insert their personal bias into the Bible, God has promised to preserve His written words, Psalm 12:6-7 - Go ahead - look it up.

Here is what GayChristian101.com believes about the Bible.

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Scripture is God's revelation of Himself to us.

Jun 05, 2010

Fascinating
by: Me

I am currently an eighteen year old struggling with my sexuality (I am pretty sure that I am a homosexual), but for most of my life, I have been a Catholic. Because of my sexual orientation and my religion, I have always felt conflicted and confused.

Thank you for posting this page. :)

I am pretty sure that I will also leave the Catholic Church because I do not believe that salvation can be obtained by both faith and good works since the Bible says that salvation is obtained through faith alone. Do you believe that this can be another possible point in favor of homosexuals going to Heaven as long as they believe in God? Or have I stretched it too far?

Jun 05, 2010

By grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone
by: Rick Brentlinger

"...the Bible says that salvation is obtained through faith alone. Do you believe that this can be another possible point in favor of homosexuals going to Heaven as long as they believe in God?"

You are absolutely right! Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered and Heterosexuals - all get saved and go to heaven the same way - by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Christ alone, with no works involved, no infused grace ala Roman Catholicism or any other church - salvation is only by grace through faith.

The book of Galatians makes this argument in succinct and pithy language. Its only six short chapters and is well worth reading. Try reading all six chapters of Galatians aloud every day for a week.

It will get into your heart and mind and you'll start to understand it in ways you didn't before.

Jun 16, 2010

He is coming soon!
by: A believer in the Lord

Don't be deceived by this world. Our reward is coming and He is
coming soon! These are the last days when our Lord and Savior
when He comes will judge the people of this world. Jesus said:
:Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come claiming
in my name, claiming ' I am the Christ, and will deceive many. We
must remember that what Jesus said He is the truth the life and the
way and no one can come to the father except through Jesus. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of
life, which is in paradise of God. Be faithful, even to the point of
death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death. To him who over comes
I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it. To him who over comes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations. To him who over comes , I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. These promises are faithful and true from our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ. " Everything is permissible for me "- but not everything is beneficial. " Everything
is permissible for me"- but I will not be mastered by anything. " food for the stomach
and stomach for the food"- but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. By His power God raised
the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!
Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said," the two become one flesh". But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in
spirit. Flee from sexual immorality . All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor
God with your body.

Jun 17, 2010

Free Will
by: Anonymous

I'm not for or against homosexuality. All I know is that everyone deserves the love of Jesus Christ and He would never turn away those who seek Him. Besides, we were given Free Will. Therefore, no one has the right to tell anyone what to do or how to live their life for it is their decision alone. There is no child of God that I wouldn't love.

Jun 27, 2010

All the Same
by: Anonymous

I am a lesbian and I fully believe I am going to heaven.

First of all, we have no right to judge one another. God is the ultimate judge of our lives.

Romans 2: 1-5
"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man?you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself?that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed."

We jump on homosexuality so much that we forget all about other sins. Homosexuality is made to be such a bigger sin than all the rest, when really it isn't.

In Romans 1:28-32, God gives a list: "unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice, envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness, gossip, slander, hate of God, insolence, haughtiness, boasting, invention of evil, disobedience to parents, foolishness, being heartless, being faithless, and ruthlessness."

These are all combined in one list together as being worthy of death. Disobeying your parents, homosexuality, and murder are all grouped together.

Children disobey their parents everyday. That's equal to a serial killer murdering relentlessly. It's also equal to two gay men being together. All sin is equal. But, God saves those who call upon His name no matter who they are or what they've done.

"For God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His one and only son. That WHOSOEVER believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Jul 26, 2010

what i think
by: ald

well i think god loves everyone! all sins are equal. everyone lies, even christians.

if homosexuals are sinners so is everyone on this earth. god will not send someone to hell for caring for someone! that's what i believe.

Aug 04, 2010

Homosexuality
by: Anonymous

It makes me mad how today's society makes people think that all homosexuals are going to hell. And that God hates all homosexuals. It makes me mad because it turns people who are either the friends or family member of a homosexual against God. And they find another religion that supports homosexuality and that satisfies them.

Sep 08, 2010

gays
by: dianne

when i witness to a person i don't tell them to change because the holy spirit will do that also i have a daughter who is gay i leave it up to GOD to take care of it she says she has her own relationship with GOD so the only thing i do is pray for her and GOD loves everyone not the sins.

Dec 21, 2010

God and hell, I hardly think so!
by: Anonymous

I'm a practicing Catholic, and I don't believe being gay is any more of a sin then using an expired coupon. Not a sin at all! My boyfriend is also a practicing Catholic. If either of us wasn't Catholic, our relationship just wouldn't work. Our values are the same. We both believe in God and Jesus, charity, love, a strong faith, family, community, etc. Will we go to hell when we die, I hardly think so. We are part of God's children, desigined and made by our heavenly father. Our intent has never been ill will, only our belief to live a decent loving good life together as part of a civil human race. We've never asked for opinions on our life style, why should we, we've never judged yours. Go live your life and be a good soul.

Dec 21, 2010

Trusting Jesus by faith alone is the key
by: Rick Brentlinger

Please don't make the mistake many people make - trusting their church or their pastor or their priest or their sacraments or their religious affiliation when they should be trusting by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered and Heterosexuals - EVERYONE gets saved and goes to heaven the same way - by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

* There are no works involved in salvation.
* There is no infused grace involved, ala Roman Catholicism or any other church.
* Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

On that basis, do you know for sure you are saved?

Dec 24, 2010

I don't get it.
by: Anonymous

I don't understand the above comment by Rick. What are you saying Rick?

Dec 24, 2010

Getting saved is really pretty simple
by: Rick Brentlinger

Some religious people trust their church membership to guarantee their salvation instead of trusting Jesus. I've met Catholics who are trusting the Catholic church to get them to heaven and I've met Baptists who are trusting the Baptist church to get them to heaven INSTEAD OF trusting Jesus by grace alone through faith alone.

Here are some pages which explain how to get saved. The key point is that no one gets saved by being Baptist or Catholic or any other denomination. Salvation isn't about religious affiliation and rituals, isn't about church membership, isn't about doing good works. Salvation is the free gift of God apart from works.

Can you illustrate how
to believe in Jesus?

What does it mean
to believe in Jesus?

I'm a gay Christian and
I have some questions.

Would you like to know
how to be saved today?

Jan 15, 2011

I didn't bother to read what you say on your website but...
by: JCW

First Point - If what you say is true regarding the misinterpretation of Greek words that appear in every commonly accepted translation tells a different story that is homo-friendly, why does this issue only come up in a pro-homo culture that only started in recent decades? Surely, someone centuries ago would have brought this issue up.

Second Point - What's your excuse for Leviticus 18, 19 and 20? Are you saying that the translations of Hebrew words are also incorrect? Are you saying that it is acceptable for a man to have sex with another man, for a woman to have sex with another woman, for a man or woman to have sex with non human animals? Are you also saying that it is ok for a father to have sex with his daughter?

Just where does your perverted and twisted ideas on scripture end? Are there no bounds to false teachings?

I too, struggle with sin. Not homosexual sin but sin none the less. When I read scripture that condemns me, I throw myself at God's feet and ask for forgiveness. I also work on adjusting my lifestyle so that I may please Him. I DO NOT LOOK TO REINTERPRET SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT MY SIN.

Feb 04, 2011

Lev.
by: A friend of Dorothy

I always find it amazing when folks talk about homosexuals. They reach deep in their pockets and dust off their halo and become the most saintly being on earth since Christ himself. Have you noticed it? Drunkards, cheaters, liars, adulterers-everyone's a Christian when the subject of homosexuality comes up and there is a gay to bash!

What is most appalling is the ignorance with which they bash others and proclaim they are the true Christian. They pick and choose the scripture they want to follow. Homosexuality is always the favorite target. Yet they fail to examine the beam in their own eye. Deep down they know they fall into many of the categories mentioned above. Yet they judge and it clearly states in the Bible we are not to do it.

But they are fine with committing that sin and others. And before anyone quotes scripture in Leviticus, I wish they would read the whole book. Really, read it. Which ones are you violating and have no intentions of ever following? Maybe you are intending to stone your neighbors for the broken laws found therein?for many you are supposed to!

Many ?Christians? who study the Bible know this is true but never correct those who are young in the faith who use it as a weapon against homosexuals. Is that not misleading the little ones? Here are some of the laws that are mentioned in Leviticus.

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19). Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19). Don't cut your hair nor shave (Leviticus 19:27). Any one who curses his mother or father, must be killed (Leviticus 20:9). If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die (Leviticus 20:10). If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18). Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community (Leviticus 24:14-16). There are many, many more.

Feb 04, 2011

Part 2
by: friend of Dorothy

Con't from previous:

And don't get me started on what you eat that God, in Leviticus, commands you not to. I know many will refer to the Gospel of Matthew 27:51 and Mark 15:38, then speak of the veil separating the holy of holies from the outer court being torn in two when Jesus died on the cross.

But decide once and for all which is it going to be for crying out loud. When you pick and choose what you like to follow in Leviticus then judge and condemn others for not following just one verse, your words become meaningless. Judge your own heart.

If truth is important to you, study the history. Seek the truth only-not what I say or others but the truth?and to do that you have to study it all! I even encourage you to study the original texts?then think again how language and word meanings have evolved. Plus context is important!

A parting thought: Read the Sermon on the Mount and judge yourself first.

Feb 19, 2011

Thank you
by: PJ

Rick, this site is one more proof that having been born gay is a gift. I don't know that had I not struggled to the point of suicidal depression in my youth that I would've heard the call of Christ as loudly nor as clearly when I finally did accept him on October 17, 1977.

Furthermore, I wonder if you, too have noted that there is a hidden gift in being told over and over again that you are outside the grace of God simply because of your sexual orientation--the gift being that I have a continual reminder of how precious that grace is.

So many people, many non-gay Christians especially, think that gays are simply maladapted heterosexuals who have opted to "perform gay sex acts." Odd too, that if gayness were truly a "perversion," there would be more lesbian and gay people sometimes and fewer others...but, like left-handedness, it seems a consistent characteristic of God's creation of humanity over the centuries.

I was "headed to hell" based on the fact I was born a human being. God's forgiveness at the cross in Christ did not come with conditions, special clauses, or exceptions, yet so many non-gay Christians send the message that gays have a special "marker" that sets off the "hell detector" at the cross in a unique way. And even beyond, gays are branded as "anti-God" or "hell-bound" simply by coming out.

It has been over 30 years since I accepted Christ and despite the wave of "ex-Gayness" that I went through, years of praying and thinking I had lost my salvation or never had it in the first place, I emerge having grown through the "lavender desert experiences" that so many of us endure, totally accepted in Him and still as gay as I ever was.

Interestingly, too, my life continued to improve in every way imaginable. I would not have lasted another year or two had I not asked Christ into my heart in '77. But, yes, I'm still gay as I ever was.

So, thank you for your ministry. Thank you for so many people who will see the acceptance that is there for them in your messages. And thank you for giving me a reason to bookmark your site and visit often.

Feb 21, 2011

Why me?
by: Anonymous

If I am a lesbian but do not have relations with another woman, am I still a sinner? I didn't ask to be attracted to the same sex nor did I choose to be. Knowing that, what did I do wrong that has left me fighting with the devil my whole life? Why me? Why not you or some one else?

Why make me like this if it so bad?

Feb 21, 2011

God loves and saves lesbians
by: Rick Brentlinger

Everyone on earth is born with a sin nature which we inherited from Adam, Romans 5:12.

All of us need to trust Jesus Christ as the only way to be saved, John 14:6.

Here are two helpful Links to information about Lesbians and the Bible.

Are lesbians treated the same as gays in the Bible?

Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians?

Mar 06, 2011

PLEASE stop leading others to WRONG path
by: Anonymous

dear Rick

don't twist God's words and lead others to WRONG path, it is CLEAR what God said about homosexuality

Leviticus 20:13 KJV

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

you can deny and twist THE TRUTH all you want (even using other verses in the bible, which you use WRONGLY to support your denial), but it is CLEAR what the bible say.

don't forget that God said

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, ?Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me" -Matthew 16:24

"deny themselves" means to deny the FLESHLY desires that come up and take your attention from God, which in this case LUST for SAME SEX PARTNER

some people (including ME) might be born with the LARGER intention to like SAME SEX PARTNER (like some people were born with the intention to EASILY ANGERED), but with God's grace you WILL BE ABLE to love THE OPPOSITE SEX PARTNER. yes, it required commitment and efforts, but God WILL ALWAYS give you strength and make you succeed if you REALLY want to change :) HE is a Good God

I hope you will stop denying THE TRUTH (and also STOP leading innocent people to wrong path) and finally live in Jesus' way FULLY. God bless you

Mar 06, 2011

Please stop ignoring context
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dear Anonymous-

Please stop ignoring context. I've dealt extensively with the meaning of Leviticus 20:13. The context is Molech worship, Leviticus 18:3, 21; 20:2, 3, 4, 5, not a committed gay or lesbian relationship.

It is wrong to attempt to force GLBT Christians into blind subservience to the Law while the Bible tells us we are not under the Law, Romans 6:14. If we try to live under the Law, the Bible tells us we must keep ALL of it, Galatians 3:10.

I encourage you to keep studying instead of assuming your opinion is more important than what the Bible says in context.

Mar 15, 2011

Leviticus 20:13
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Mar 15, 2011

Another christian gutless wonder
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow, can't you "anonymously gutless wonders" read plain English? I'll bet you couldn't find the real context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 with a crowbar, a flashlight and a blow torch, if your lives depended on it.

On the off-chance you still have more than two functioning brain cells, please do yourself a big favor and read this page: Lev 18:22 & 20:13.

I'm not really blaming you. If I was as blissfully ignorant as you, I wouldn't associate my name with my Comments either.

Mar 24, 2011

where?
by: Anonymous

I'm just curious! where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is right and not a sin?

Mar 24, 2011

You're asking the wrong question
by: Rick Brentlinger

Where does the Bible say its okay for heterosexual couples to get married in a church building with a denominationally affiliated pastor officiating?

Where does the Bible say its okay for two heterosexuals who cannot have children to get married?

Where does the Bible say its okay for heterosexuals to get married, divorced, remarried, divorced and remarried again?

What you're really doing is trying to play gotcha. You think if the Bible doesn't say it in the words you think the Bible ought to use, then it can't possibly be right.

Yet you refuse to apply that goofy reasoning to anything you do in your own life. For example, you drive a car and use air conditioning.

Where does the Bible say its okay to drive a car?

Where does the Bible say its okay to use air conditioning?

Mar 24, 2011

huh?
by: Anonymous

First of all.. I was ASKING!... I was not trying to be smart with my question!... like I said.. I was just curious!.. i dont know what the whole bible says thats why I asked..

second of all... I think for you to be "Christian" its really sad how you try to make what you believe "right" in a really offensive way.. I was just asking questions and you were just assuming things and just talking to me with hate in your heart and I see you are like that with everyone... no fruits of a Christian... dont you know that love words will soften the heart of a person!??? the bible teaches that....speak with love

and for last but no least how can you compare driving a car with a/c with nature!??? I believe we were created the way we were for a reason... Ive read the bible and to me it does say homosexuality isnt a good thing.. you say we change the meaning of the bible to suit what we believe and I think you all do the same... this is all about faith! at the end we will know who was wrong and who was right!.. I just dont see a God loving something so wrong ... if it is wrong to human eyes! imagine how wrong it is to God's eyes...

Mar 24, 2011

No, you weren't just "asking"
by: Rick Brentlinger

You claim to be asking an innocent question yet you then admit your true position, that you HAVE read the Bible and you believe we're wrong.

Sorry, I'm not buying your accusation that I have hate in my heart and that you were only asking an innocent question.

Apr 02, 2011

confused
by: Anonymous

I'm confused... when I was younger I thought I'm a girl, and I got frustrated with my discovery. As I was growing up, I dream of becoming a woman, even though I am a born a man. When I was younger, I also get attracted with girls...but when I hit puberty I am exclusively attracted to boys, and being raised by Christian parents I was disturbed and worried with their reaction. I'm so much at peace whenever I imagine that I'm a real girl (transgender)... than simply being a man having an attraction to another men (gay)

Apr 02, 2011

God loves you dearly and has answers for you
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dear Confused:

Always remember that God dearly loves you! I encourage you to read:

If you're a gay Christian
does God still love you?

Here is a quick way to make sure you are saved.

Then I encourage you to read these pages which help to explain a bit about transgender issues and the Bible.

Transgender Issues

What about Transvestism?

May 01, 2011

Version of the Bible
by: Angela

What version of the Bible do you use? I have seen quotes from KJV, but I was wondering if you use that exclusively. Also, how do you explain why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Thank you.

May 01, 2011

We mostly use the KJV because of it's accuracy
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Angela-

We mostly use the old King James Version because it is the most accurate and the most gay-friendly English translation of the Bible. Yet on our page about malakoi in 1 Cor 6:9, I use more than 40 translations.

The reason for the destruction of Sodom is wickedness but never does the Bible say that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.

Here are some helpful pages about that. You will note that even anti-gay evangelicals admit that the issue in Sodom was not homosexuality.

The truth about Sodom

The real sin of Sodom

The Babylonian Talmud on Sodom

May 02, 2011

Creation and Homosexual Marriage
by: Angela

Thank you for the previous information. I do have a couple more questions. If it was in God's perfect will for man to lay with man and woman to lay with woman, then why did God create one man and one woman rather than two of the same sex?

Also, are there any references to homosexual marriage in the Bible? From what I know about the Bible, any time that marriage is being referenced, the relationship consists of a man and a woman. I am not trying to pass judgement - I am just trying to become more educated on homosexual viewpoints. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.

May 03, 2011

The Bible is a gay-friendly book
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Angela-

The first reason for the Creation story in Genesis 1-2 is to tell us what happened when God created the heavens and the earth. The second reason is that God wanted to tell us the origin of the human race, which required Adam and Eve, a male and a female.

We are now six thousand years removed from Adam and Eve. We have more than seven billion people on earth. The human race is in no danger of dying out so the command to be fruitful and multiply is not as urgent as it was when there were only two people on earth.

It was not necessary for God to include every eventual possibility in human relationships as He told the Creation story. For example, polygamy is not mentioned in Genesis 1 or 2 but God definitely blessed polygamists later on. And celibacy is not mentioned in Genesis 1 and 2 yet celibacy is commended in 1 Cor 7:1-9, for those who have that gift.

I believe there are some references to homosexual marriages in the Bible. Here are some Links about that.

1. Is there any evidence of an actual gay marriage in the Bible?

2. Is gay marriage scriptural?

3. Gay marriages can't produce children so case closed, right?

4. Does be fruitful and multiply cancel gay marriage?

5. Are there any gay couples in the Bible?

Many thanks for your interesting questions.

May 03, 2011

About Romans chapter 1
by: Angela

I have been reading your website for several days, and I have also been praying and reading my KJV Bible. I have tried to be open minded and willing to see if you could disprove the scriptures that heterosexual Christians use to condemn homosexuality. While you have given some very interesting facts (some of which I don't argue), I respectfully do not agree with your interpretation of Romans 1:26-27.

I must point out that earlier in that same chapter, verse 22 says, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." It is obvious to me that you are a very educated person. I believe that you are trying to use that knowledge to justify your beliefs, and in doing so, the Word of God is being twisted and misused. Verse 25 says, 'Who changed the truth of God into a lie.' I feel that is the case here.

You are trying to make the Bible say what YOU want it to say. Verse 24 says, "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:" Through much prayer and studying, I believe that homosexuality is unclean. I wholly believe that this is a conviction placed on me by God and that I am not being influenced by my raising nor by popular beliefs.

The Bible is more than a history book. When God had His men pen down the words, He amazingly made scriptures relevant to the changing times. Rather than trying to always analyze the meaning according to history, I choose to read scripture and examine how it applies to my life and current events. While I do appreciate the importance of understanding the scriptures historically, I feel that it is more important to understand the scriptures spiritually.

I must take God's Word for what it says, and it is obvious to me that the Bible condemns homosexuality. I also must say that your examples of Biblical homosexual relationships are not convincing. I do believe that a homosexual person can be saved. However, I believe that if a homosexual person gets truly saved, then he or she will 'turn from their wicked ways' (2Chr 7:14) and renounce the previous lifestyle. I have actually seen this happen.

I do want to emphasize that I do not in any way hate homosexuals. As a matter of a fact, my best friend in high school was homosexual, and I continue to have a few homosexual friends today. I realize that there is virtually no chance that I am going to change your mind on this topic, and that was not my objective in the first place.

I was seeking to clarify to myself whether or not homosexuality is a sin, and I am now comfortable with by beliefs. I also want to say that I do appreciate the historical information that you presented in this website. I will continue to pray for heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. Thank you for your help.

May 03, 2011

I hope you will continue to obey 2 Timothy 2:15
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Angela-

I hope you will continue to study and search out God's truth. You may want to also consider this information.

1. Does Romans 1:26-27 refer to heterosexuals acting like homosexuals?

2. Does Romans 1:26-27 condemn homosexuals?

3. Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians?

4. Does Romans 1:27 equate gay sex with lesbian sex?

5. How do you interpret Romans 1:27?

6. Can you convince me that Romans 1 is NOT talking about gays and lesbians?

7. How can you say that Romans 1 has nothing to do with homosexuality?

8. How did you decide that Romans 1:26 does not condemn lesbians?

May 03, 2011

Biblical homosexual relationships???
by: Angela

Thank you, Rick. I do intend to continue fervently in my studies of the Bible.

I do want to mention that I have studied more on your examples of Biblical homosexual relationships. I believe that in each of your examples, the two people would be better described as best friends. And to classify those friendships as homosexual would be quite a stretch. It is very possible to have an intimate relationship with a person of the same sex without being interested in a sexual relationship. I have lady friends that I would count as sisters because of the closeness that I share with them. While I respect your opinion, I just cannot conclude that you are correct in calling those relationships homosexual.

Thank you once again for all of the information that you have provided on this topic. I have thoroughly enjoyed studying and learing from God's Word.

May 04, 2011

Why forgive everyone but gays?
by: RILEY K

YOU CAN NOT say that GOD is a forgiving god if you believe that gays go to hell. If you are educated AT ALL with the HOLY BIBLE you will know the story of Jesus and The Stoning of The Prostitute.

Being a prostitute was one of THE WORST sins they could think of back then. It was so bad that they would STONE a woman to DEATH for it. But no, no, JESUS stood up FOR THE SINNER, Jesus stood up for the woman shrouded in sin and said: "Let the one without sin throw the first stone," saying that NO ONE is without sin!

Yet he stood up for her still! He loves us no matter what. "For God loved the world so much he gave his one and only son to die for us, so that whosoever believes in him will not parish, but have eternal life." Everyone has sin but he will save us if we ask for forgiveness and believe he is the Messiah!

And yes I'm gay and i am very sorry and have asked for forgiveness of my homosexuality but God doesn't want people to be someone they're not. That is an even bigger sin, denying God. God bless everyone who reads this. trust Jesus and you will NOT perish, but have eternal life.

May 09, 2011

Romans 1:26-27
by: Pastor Ray

You can't take certain Scripture in the Bible and then change the meaning because they don't fit with your lifestyle you want to live and in this case homosexuality. The Word of God clearly speaks against this sin (and He calls it just that - A SIN).

It's okay to preach as a homosexual but to preach as if the act of being gay is pleasing to God is a lie right from the devil's mouth. And we all know how good he is at changing God's Word. In Romans the Lord say's that those who commit such things are worthy of death.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall LIVE AND NOT DIE!

God hates all sin big and small and homosexuality and it's actions are a sin against God and no sin is allowed in Heaven. Those who die in sin suffer the pains of hell.

May 09, 2011

Stop acting like a stereotypical christian
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow Pastor Ray, why must you ignore the truth as it is in Jesus and share your mistaken opinion? Couldn't you at least take the time to read what we believe before condemning us? If you're interested, we're offering this Free pdf Bible Study on Hell this month.

You may not know it but when you keep asserting your opinion as truth instead of the pure word of God, THAT is what pushes gay people away from you. If you want to win souls try opening your heart a bit more and putting the emphasis on Jesus and what the Bible says in context.

It is clear from your Comment that you don't know the questions, let alone have the answers.

I hope that somewhere deep in your heart, there is enough honour and integrity to keep pursuing truth even when truth conflicts with your long-cherished opinion.

May 15, 2011

God has an issue with homosexuals
by: Anonymous

Clearly if God sets a law that says you will be put to death for homosexual acts (leviticus 20:13) then its a sin and the wages of sin is death. Lets see what you say when God throws you into hell. He will not excuse your sinful lifestyle just because you lead people to Christ. If i'm not mistaken..wasn't sodom and gomorrah destroyed for their fornication and homosexual acts?..selah on that

May 15, 2011

Ignorance is not a fruit of the Spirit
by: Rick Brentlinger

What Bible are you reading that says "you will be put to death and thrown into hell for homosexual acts?" You cite Lev 20:13 but that verse doesn't say homosexual acts.

Why do you refuse to read the Bible in context? Even John MacArthur and Dr. Robert Gagnon admit the context is shrine prostitution.

As a washed in the blood of the Lamb, born again Christian eternally secure in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ because I am justified by faith, Jesus already suffered hell in my place.

As many Christians more honest than you admit, the Sodom story is not about homosexuality.

May 19, 2011

a true Christian
by: Anonymous

People that are true Christians know that God's word is in the Bible. People who want to continue a lifestyle that is not of God's will can do so but they cannot change what God's word is and what is written so therefore continue whatever lifestyle who wish to but do not think that you will enter Gods kingdom because you are fooling yourself

May 29, 2011

wrong
by: Anonymous

YES THEY WILL!!!! you are totally wrong about this. 1 Corinthians 6:9, buddy. 1 corinthians 6:9.

Jun 02, 2011

all things are possible
by: Mary

I think all things are possible. I know of someone that was a man in transition to becoming a woman and then found God so he went back to being a man and married a woman. I know this sounds crazy but it is really a true story. I would think he may have had some medical treatments to help his hormones. I will hear some people say that some homosexuals have a hormone problem and that is why they are gay. If that is the case, why aren't there medical facilities to try and help people? Best to all. I know it is a very emotional topic but I think all things are possible for a positive outcome.

Jun 15, 2011

please answer me!!!!
by: Anonymous

Okay, I'm in need of help! I'm googling verses and searching pages. Just tonight my father, who is a big child of GOD, said that he had a vision that I'm going to die in a car accident because of my homosexuality and that he was relieved by that because I'm in hell.

I'm still crying and I really just need answers. Whether you believe in homosexuality or not. This is eating me up!! I have a good relationship with God but of this I'm uncertain. Please just help me

Jun 15, 2011

You can know FOR SURE you're going to heaven
by: Rick Brentlinger

I think it's great that your Dad loves you and wants you to get saved. But he ought to sit down with you and in a loving way, show you in the Bible how to trust Jesus Christ. I have no way of knowing if you're saved or not but you can settle that right now.

The only way for any of us not to go to hell is to get saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. If you're trusting religion or being a good person or church membership instead of trusting Jesus, then you're not saved and you need to get saved.

Here's how to make sure right now that you are saved.

I'm praying for you. If you have more questions, please contact us.

God wants you to have the peace in your heart that comes from knowing you are saved. Praying for you, Pastor Rick.

Jul 09, 2011

1 Timothy 1:10
by: Anonymous

law is for the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality.

2 peter 3:16-some things paul writes that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

You think Jesus says, "Oh, homosexuals will inherit heaven? It's all good?" Then why aren't there any examples of men marrying in the bible, (a disgusting thought).

Why was sodom and gomorrah destroyed in the old testament? Because of the horrible perverse sins they commited- homosexuality!, sexual immorality- jude verse 7! you think

and btw I use the ESV. 1 cor 6:9: neither the sexually immoral, nor men who practice homosexuality. that last part has a footnote- the two greek terms translated by this phrase refer to the passive and active partners in consensual homosexual acts.

abusers of themselves with mankind? That's homosexuality, duh. What do you think?

Don't try to twist the scriptures, getting technical, to your own destruction.

Aug 11, 2011

Interested in someone who seeks salvation
by: Anonymous

I'm glad I stumbled upon a page that didn't require an account. A short story first:

I met someone online several weeks ago, we have shared quite the connection and then he decided he could not date for fear of damnation because of a homosexual relationship. We stopped talking for a bit, and then recently started talking again because of my persistence.

We have formed a much closer connection than ever before, and along with a few issues such as not being out, having transportation, and a heavily religious family, he still has the same view. He realizes he is not going to hell for being gay, but although even after acknowledging feelings and making it very apparent that he wants something, he will not fully tolerate the idea. Committing the actual act and living the lifestyle is what he fears will condemn him.

My problem is that seeing the mutual connection, knowing the potential pain for him in the long run of relying on God's will to change his orientation and lead him in what he believes is the right direction, I cannot convince him otherwise.

He is more devout than anyone I have ever met, and his faith is far stronger than anyone I've ever met. He is willing to live a life of celibacy in order to be saved. I would never try to turn him away from his faith, and I cannot honestly say that I share the same faith, but I cannot honestly see how someone as faithful and as innocent as he is could ever be damned for making the decision to love someone of the same sex.

I've had many discussions with him over the past few weeks and it usually leads to his position that God created two worlds and gave us choice. (Or something along those lines.) Obviously I'm not entirely familiar. He believes that homosexuality is a genetic defect, which I do as well, and that we are merely victims to an imperfect system corrupted by sin.

He believes that the heart changes and that sin corrupts our hearts and that we can't always trust our hearts but must solely rely on the word of God as the bible states.

I can't say that I've honestly ever had very strong faith, but I can usually point out miracles in my life and prove thankful because the odds seem insurmountable. Even with my lack of faith, and in accordance to the belief of many people close to me as well as around the world, I truly do not believe that being in a committed faithful relationship with someone of the same sex can condemn you.

But I was just hoping for a little guidance on how to make him see the light as I see it, or at least take the chance.

Aug 26, 2011

Jesus saved a homosexual
by: Trevor

God saved me 3 years ago. I was a practicing homosexual but He showed me that I was a sinner in need of salvation and He showed me that He'd provided for my salvation by sending His Son Jesus to die on the cross. Jesus took the full punishment for my sin that I could never have paid myself.

I repented of my sinful life and turned to Christ asking Him to save me. Since then I've not been made heterosexual.

I've learned through experience and reading God's Word that I'm to resist the lusts of my fallen flesh. As long as we're in this world we still have our fallen sin nature and it's this that satan uses to tempt us into sin again.

If and when we DO fall back into sin God has promised in His Word in 1 John 1:9 'If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.'

Thank you Lord Jesus for Your precious blood, shed for a worthless sinner like me. Glory to God!

Aug 28, 2011

Something to think about
by: Anonymous

I'm here to defend gay Christian beliefs. I've been forcing myself everyday for the past 4 years to believe I'm straight. I hated myself so much because my family is very Christian and so are my friends and they all wanted me to be straight but that's not my choice.

I tried EXTREMELY hard. I could not force myself to be what I naturally am not. Its the way I was born. I believe chemical imbalances in the brain may cause homosexual attraction. Its not a choice.

Sin is sin is sin. God sees EVERY sin to be the same... Being gay is no worse than any sin any of you have committed. We all know as christian believers that we sin on a daily basis. It's just human nature to be imperfect which is exactly why Jesus died on the cross for us. He saved us from our daily sins.

God wants us to enjoy life I'm sure, otherwise we would not be here. But if homosexuals can't enjoy life because all of you are arguing its a terrible sin, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Sep 15, 2011

Watch the Sodom video
by: Anonymous

Watch the Sodom video.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed.

The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, both young and old, surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'"

The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urged Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath of God. Lot and his family fled the city and "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities."

Sep 15, 2011

@ Interested in someone who seeks salvation
by: Rick Brentlinger

Sorry for the delay in answering. I had just returned home from a trip to San Francisco when your Comment of August 11, 2011 posted and am just now getting caught up.

Thank you for sharing your story with us. I'll try to be helpful. It is so wonderful when two people discover mutual attraction and the beginnings of a love that may last forever. I can understand why you are excited and anxious at the same time. Here's what I recommend.

1. Make sure you are saved and make sure that your friend is saved. Nothing is more important than that.

2. Use a resource like this website to teach yourself and your friend what the Bible says and does not say about being gay and Christian. Its important for both of you to understand that.

3. I don't know your ages but if each of you is still a minor living at home, your responsibility is to complete your education and learn to walk with the Lord day by day.

4. Take your concerns to God in prayer each day. Only God can work out the circumstances and both of you are responsible for learning to pray and trust God with your needs.

I'm praying that God will give both of you wisdom and discernment as you seek His will and walk the path of His purpose for your lives.

Please do keep in touch and let me know how things are going.

Sep 16, 2011

@response to Seeking someone
by: Anonymous

Thank you for your response, and the final verdict is that he things picked up and he wound up feeling God's disapproval with our relationship, and still defends homosexuality as against God's design and a sin. He's done research upon research listing biological factors to point out things that make it obvious to him that acting on homosexual sex is a sin and against God's plan.

At this point, it has became clear that there is nothing I can do and no way to convince him. I am concerned most of all with his well-being, and worry for his potential future loneliness or that he could eventually potentially live a lie and hurt other people in the process. I have my worries, but I know it is out of my control.

I pray for him, and I leave my heart open in case God feels the need to correct me. I will remain in his life, and will trust in God to do what He sees fit between us. It's the only thing I can do. In regards to ages, he is 19, and I am 21 going on 22.

I've had a little more life experience, and perhaps when he gets out and gets a little more life experience as well he will have the chance to find a balance that will allow him to be with me or simply be who he is and enjoy life. I realize this life is a test, but it scares me to think of how little he thinks of this life or the joys that love can bring into your life.

But once again, thank you for your response, and God bless you.

I know I haven't done my job in finding Jesus as much as I should, and am still trying to work through it. All things come in time.

And if it isn't too much to ask, please pray for him to find his way. At this point, I just want to know that he is happy and on the path that God chose for him, not his ego or his mother's brainwashing.

Thank you all, and please, seek peace and God in whatever way works best for you. The most important thing is that you reach out to Him, and disregard whatever rituals or denominations tell you. He will show you the way, and I believe that His touch is not confined to any specific reasoning. Trust, and desire to please Him. I know that's something I still need to work on.

But ranting! Anyway, God bless you all and have a fantastic week!

Sep 19, 2011

gay sick people
by: Anonymous

all gay people should burn in hell, especially the dirty no good piece of garbage lesbians out there. it makes me wonder why god created such filth.

Sep 23, 2011

FACTS
by: Anonymous

I agree with ROB although I am not one to judge. The Bible does state clearly that homosexuality is an abomination amongst various other scriptures that state that it is wrong. I don't get how homosexuals try to misinterpret and twist the word of God around to benefit themselves.

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions" -2 Timothy 4:3

People only hear what they want to hear but the Bible states that ALL will confess that Jesus is Lord. Re-evaluate your beliefs. Are they benefitting YOU or Christ?

Sep 23, 2011

Amazing and scary lack of discernment
by: Rick Brentlinger

After the hundreds of emails I've received which claim the Bible says its wrong to be gay, I am still amazed when people continue to parrot that view without providing any verses which say that, in context.

Don't get me wrong. I already know why you never provide any in context verses. There are none. What I don't understand is why you refuse to re-evaluate your position when you know scripture doesn't support it.

Wouldn't you rather follow God and the Bible in context instead of following your preacher when he's wrong? Yeah, I figured that would be your answer.

Do you have the guts to watch the Sodom video?

Sep 23, 2011

Please pray for the hater
by: Rick Brentlinger

Someone wrote a hateful comment about lesbians a few comments back. Please pray for that individual to get saved and the peace of God to fill their heart. Many thanks.

Sep 27, 2011

lesbians
by: Anonymous

you have to understand that we do have too many lesbians now out there that are making it a lot harder for us good straight men to meet straight decent women now. i go out a lot and i always meet the very nasty ones instead of the good ones.

Sep 30, 2011

deception
by: Anonymous

Satan's whole system is built on a lie. He wants to bring physical death, spiritual death, and he wants to bring eternal death. And he does it through deception and that is what he is doing through you. You are going to have a lot of people's blood on your hands on judgment day, Mr. Brentlinger.

Sep 30, 2011

I commend your wisdom in remaining Anonymous
by: Rick Brentlinger

You have demonstrated great wisdom in remaining Anonymous. I can understand why you haven't courage to place your real name with your anti-gay beliefs. You are truly a wise man. I commend you!

Please click the last word in this sentence if you'd like to know for sure you are saved.

Oct 11, 2011

Jugding manipulating fakirs
by: Tanna

I don't even know how to begin my statement. My family are all devoted Christians and the connection we share and questions we ask and how we choose to interpret them have never been so cruel as to what I've seen on this site, from people claiming to be the same.

I've grown up living to please my mother in any way possible. I would die for any of them for any reason. In saying that, I have a bisexual, an alcoholic, a coke addict, and many others but the one thing we all share is love and belief in Jesus Christ as our Savior.

I'm not sure on how to take any of the road blocks found in life. I am only 21 years old. But I do know the words I've seen from some saved preachers of my God would not only disgrace Him, but should disgrace yourself.

I have never been a Bible reader or continuous church goer, but my relationship with Jesus is deeper than most who are. I cry, beg, sometimes even scream in anger at Him when I myself am lost. I have struggled with drugs, multiple sex partners in high school, not talking to my dad, and many other things.

The one thing that I always come back to however is the way Jesus wants us to view each other, treat others how you would like to be treated and do not judge a man with unclean hands. I thought I knew evil when my ex boyfriend beat me on a trip home and threatened me to the point of almost killing myself just to kill him but the words and down right convictions you people are placing on one type of people is just devastating to the soul.

I am not a lesbian, but I would rather be that than a JUDGING MANIPULATING CONVICTING FAKIRS. You people have truly shown me why God tells us to take the world for what it is and not what we make it to be and I pray that this puts much weight on each and everyone of your souls because this is most sick act of violence I have ever seen.

Oct 13, 2011

Clarification please
by: Matt

How can you interpret Leviticus 18:22-24 to discuss anything other than sexual immorality? That's not out of context either, the bulk of the chapter is about sexual immorality.

But anyways, even with the sin of homosexuality, a born again believer in Christ can be saved correct? I believe so. But they can't just take the salvation without the responsibilities that come along with it.

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I interpret this to mean if I am going to profess Christ as my Lord and savior, then If I fall away from that enlightened state (willful sinning) then it is IMPOSSIBLE for that status to be renewed.

What is your opinion on this? And I'm not bashing anyone by the way, nor passing judgement on anyone, NOR disregarding my own sin. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

Oct 13, 2011

Clarification and answers
by: Rick Brentlinger

I'm happy to answer your excellent questions. Leviticus 18:22 is about shrine prostitutes, not homosexuality. Even extremely anti-gay preachers like John MacArthur and Robert Gagnon agree that the context is shrine prostitution.

Hebrews 6 sets up a hypothetical situation using a rhetorical argument, reductio ad absurdum, to teach that believers cannot lose their salvation. It helps to read the entire chapter.

For doctrinal truth about eternal security, click on that link and find a helpful Bible study. Remember that our eternal security is based on the doctrine of justification by faith. Hope this is helpful, friend Matt.

Oct 17, 2011

Confused
by: Jess

I have been in a confused state ever since childhood about sexual orientation. I use to consider myself bi, even had relations with females, but when my faith grew stronger I did not want to go to Hell so I stopped thinking about it. Now I am in my 20s and the bi/homosexual feelings are flaring up again.

I understand you think homosexuals will go to Heaven, but I have read KJV Bible myself and and I believe I am damned for Hell if I do act on this lifestyle so right now I made up my mind to remain single. I do not care to be in a relationship at all anyways due to my controlling ex of many years and the men in my life I had to grow up with. I was also molested by a female member of my family.

I am not against gays though, I have several gay/bi friends whom I love to death. I just feel strongly in what I believe and making the choice for my own well-being and if what you write is what you believe than that is good for you. Whose right is it to judge or try to change the way you live and what you believe?

Also, to the very hateful comment about gays should go to Hell, etc. etc. If you are a Christian than you need to repent for what you have said because you can not be Christian if you have hatred in your heart.

Thanks Rick for the help though.

Oct 17, 2011

Truth
by: B-rad

The truth is that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. Satan is master of this world. Satan has a limited power but that power can find temtation that will cause us to fall from Gods grace. Homosexuality is a choice. I BELIEVE FULLY THAT A PERSON CAN HAVE HOMOSEXUAL TEMTATIONS AND NOT ACT UPON THEM. What I'm saying is every day I wake up and if I dont pray and spend time with GOd then satan comes along and fills my head with thoughts of adultery. Before I was married I strugled with fornication. This seemed natural to me. It wasnt until I found Christ that my life found peace. I ask all of you on both sides of this debate to honestly ask God to fill you with the Holy Spirit and to have the Holy Spirit explain the TRUE meaning of Gods word. If you do this you will know the truth. I know many atheists who know the bible backwards and forewards better than I . It isnt until you have Christ as your savior and your filled with Holy Spirit that the Lords word will share its Truth with you. That means giving up everything !!! Even sexual nature that feels natural to oneself. Then and only then you will have TRUTH. If your a practicing homosexual and you believe in God then why not bow and give everyting over to him. Closing on what has already been said. Satan tricks us very easily. Do not wait until your last breath to truely know Christ and live for God.

Oct 27, 2011

So much confusion and ignorance, not enough heart
by: Christopher

I would first of all like to make it extremely clear that God does love everyone of his creations, and it's because of that love we are given a free will. Second, we all know John 3:16 but do we really understand what it means? God loves us so much that he sent his son to die in our place because he knew that we would never live up to his expectations of holiness. Jesus said that no one come's to the father but through him...

Nov 04, 2011

I love gays but
by: Anonymous

To the previous person if you ever see this. I do not support being gay at all. Leviticus states my opinion on it. I still love gays regardless. Get the axe out of your hands, stop acting like you are any better than a gay. Christ died for ALL sinners

Nov 10, 2011

I do not support the idea of this page
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

What should be the sense of that verse if it does not mean "homosexuals should be put to death"?

If it is all about worshiping Molech then God could specifically state that in verse 13. If "a man lie with another man" is part of worship of Molech then any man who is practicing such is also worshiping Molech and that is not acceptable before God.

If you think that the Greek terms used in this verse were meant to describe the homosexual behavior present at Pagan temples and not about condemning homosexuality, on the same way the homosexual behavior present at pagan temples is UNACCEPTABLE before God.

Nov 11, 2011

I need answers...
by: Standing Straight For Gay Marriage

Okay, first, I agree with this website; I agree with homosexuality (although I am not "gay"); however, I was doing research for a paper for school and came across this website. I support same-sex marriage, but can you verify, clarify, or disprove any of the things on an anti-gay website I saw? It deals with homosexuality and same-sex marriage being sinful.

I do not have much time to do my own research or I would myself. But I really believe in your message. Also, any Links would help as well. Thank You - God Bless.

Nov 11, 2011

Only you know which specific information you need
by: Rick Brentlinger

I looked at the website you referenced and it is just the same anti-gay blather we hear from so many Christians who will not study. Concerning the paper you are writing, I answer 99% of their false statements on this website.

Check the Links under, What The Bible Says as well as the NavBar Links for: Gay Christian FAQ and Ask A Question. Many thanks for your support!

Nov 13, 2011

Leviticus names many sins
by: phyllis

I find it interesting that most anti gay folks hang their hat on Leviticus, which also says we are going to hell for eating a variety of things, pork, shrimp, etc. I am not a scholar but am thankful that I attend a Methodist church who loves all and has the strength to discuss it all and actually read it ALL.

Vs picking bits and pieces out that support hatred. Our church welcomes ALL and that makes me glad. We are all sinners so why not just focus on loving one another, being kind, polite and respectful.

I think we will all be standing before our maker dumbfounded once we pass over and all is revealed. I would hate to live my life condemning folks. I would like to be proud of how I treated my fellow man once I meet my maker.

Nov 18, 2011

what verse did you read?
by: Anonymous

1 Corinthians 6:9? If you think its a bad inturpitation in the bible you got, then get another one NKJV it says "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom og God? Do not be DECEIVED. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, NOR HOMESEXUALS, nor sodomites.(the men that slept with men) also read 1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each women have her own husband.

Revalation 22:15 you say dog is not for guys ok fine but it does say and sexually immoral.

Any one that is not with God is againstt him!
Revalation 21:8

"He who is lost, can not be rescued, if he does not know he is lost" by esd

Nov 18, 2011

I know you probably mean well
by: Rick Brentlinger

Sweetie, I know you probably mean well but still, it will be helpful if you do three things.

One, get rid of your NKJV and get an old KJV. The NKJV, like all new age versions, is full of errors, including its mistranslation of 1 Cor 6:9.

Two, study the Bible, 2 Timothy 2:15, comparing scripture with scripture and carefully note context and word meanings.

Three, do not be so quick to judge your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

Nov 19, 2011

what verse did you read
by: Anonymous

I do have an old one and its in spanish and it says the same thing. Im not judging them. i was showing you what the bible says. its still an abomination, it seems your applying text to make it seem right, but did God speek to you and said its ok? lets say your right, arnt you still under the desiers of the flesh isnt that a sin as well? Galation 5 and the word says that He who is free is free inded. so your carnal man should not over come your spirit. or what do you think? you really think or feel in your spirit its ok? i know people say your heart can not see who you fall in love with, but thats why we have eyes. Im realllly trying to undersand you. Not judging! really! but is it ok by going over Gods word. HONESLTY i give you props for preaching and giving the word of God! my hats off to you. Not all ppl do it, but its a matter of saving souls and having them to be saved from the hands of the devil, not putting them in his hands! you know how to us it and share it, Just be careful becaus at the end only God will judge us and let us know if we did his will. and maybe there are ppl getting closer to God! and your working more than others and your probably mean well, But we still cant go against his word! Pray on it! and let the Holy Spirit guild you! I will be praying for you and every one entering your page! God Bless you Always!!;) Thnx!

Nov 23, 2011

Lost and Scared
by: Drew

For as long as I can remember I have been told that God and Jesus were and are my saviors. I was also told the being gay is a sin and that you would go to hell for being gay.

I am a 19 year old male who has never once drank or had sex. I have stolen and after I took it I would feel horrible because I took someones pokemon card unfairly.

My whole life people have said "Your gay!" or "Why are you so gay?". I don't really know if I'm truly gay or not. When I look at other men I think are hot or are my type all I want is sex. However when I look at women I want a lasting and long relationship with no sexual undercurrent.

One reason I have never done anything with another man is because of my fear in going to Hell. I have accepted Jesus into my heart and I have held him there for many years it was not till my mom and dad broke up and my dad turned his back on God and Jesus that I had a shaken of faith. I don't know what to believe but I will continue to turn to God for answers.

My question is to any Gay Christian. How do you know that Jesus will save you for living the way you are living. I have read and looked at everything that was written before this and it has made me feel less sure then ever on my sexuality.

I have had bad run ins with people who thought I was gay the worst being told by my gym teacher I could not enter the change room until all the guys were out. I have never once said I'm gay but I have wished I could to get people off my back about it. Even now that I'm at school people have decided I'm gay and treat me as such. But all this aside I would like to know how you can feel so sure in something so unsure when for thousands of years it has been told to be wrong and sinful.

Nov 25, 2011

Please read the Linked pages
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Drew- Thanks for sharing your heart with us in such an open and loving way. Please know that you are not alone in wrestling with doubts about your salvation and wondering if it's okay to be gay and Christian. Many people have gone through that struggle.

I included a lot of Links in the post at the top of the page so that you can access additional information. I hope you will take the time to read the Linked pages, especially the ones about getting saved but also the pages about it being okay to be both gay and Christian.

Only by educating yourself on what the Bible says and does not say will you receive peace in your heart about these issues. As long as you listen to anti-gay folks instead of reading and studying the Bible for yourself, you will have doubts.

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17.

Nov 25, 2011

Not gonna post your rubbish Nick
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey Nick- Your anti-gay rants will not be posted here. I hope that some day soon, you will start living an honest life and stop ripping verses out of context to further your anti-gay agenda.

Nov 30, 2011

I think homosexuality is a sin
by: David

Hey Rick, I wanted to first start of by stating that I believe that Homosexuals are able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe that homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin which is committed and that Christ has forgiven when we submit ourselves to Him and repent.

Now I was reading some earlier comments, and back on April 29, 2010 you said that homosexuality is not a sin. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.

Romans 1:26-27 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

In Romans 1, Paul is speaking of people who were informed of what God wanted of them and chose to "not retain God in their knowledge" (verse 28).

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. If someone is homosexual and wants to be a good christian, they need to repent and submit themselves to God. Remember that the act of repenting is to not only admit your sin but to also strive to make the change in your life.

You may say that homosexuality is not a choice and therefore you can't change it, and you're right. YOU can't change on your own, but you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you Philippians 4:13.

Nov 30, 2011

Study to shew yourselves approved unto God, 2 Timothy 2:15
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, I encourage you to study the Bible in context before drawing conclusions based on nothing more than reading a few verses and assuming the first thought that pops into your head is their true meaning.

Most of the body of Christ for 2000 years did NOT understand Romans 1:26-27 to be addressing the question of homosexuality. Here is the context of Romans 1:26-27.

And you may also enjoy Does God love the heathen?

Nov 30, 2011

Homosexuality is a sin, in David's opinion
by: David

religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc.htm - has 4 links to different interpretations of Romans 1. I would like to point out that the two separate liberal arguments either argue that 26-27 talks about heterosexuals switching to homosexuality and in this argument they view it as sin.

In the other argument, by different liberal viewers, the view is that the verse is about heterosexuals who were sexually crazed and God made them homosexual. I can assume that if they think God forced them to become homosexuals then they assume homosexuality is not a Sin because God would not force people to sin.

I do believe that researching scripture and making sure that scripture is being understood correctly is very important. That view is incredibly biblical. However, when we research these things we need to remember that we're gathering information from other people and not necessarily God. When it comes down to it, submit fully to God and ask Him whether homosexuality is a sin.

I look forward to getting a response from you. Remember, our goal is to glorify God in everything that we do and to find the Truth about this life.

Nov 30, 2011

Please watch the video and read the FREE information I provide
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, please watch the video and read the extensively documented information I provide before drawing a conclusion. The religious tolerance website only skims the surface. I go into far greater detail about the meaning of Romans 1.

The view that Romans 1:26-27 describes heterosexuals who left heterosexual practice to engage in homosexual sex comes from St. John Chrysostom, a conservative and rabidly anti-gay preacher.

My first page on Romans 1 has many links to additional information. It will help us have a fruitful discussion if you will acquaint yourself with the context and the facts about Romans 1.

Nov 30, 2011

I will research
by: David

Ok Rick, I will look through every nook and cranny of the information you provided and try to prove myself wrong. However, I encourage you to do the same as well. I encourage you to do some research on contextual information that says that homosexuality is a sin.

I believe that we should be trying to prove ourselves wrong in order to make sure we are coming towards the truth. Both of us our questioning each others lifestyles. I am questioning the way you live, in that you believe that it is not sinful to be homosexual. Because of that, you should see if there's truth to that, so you can adjust your life accordingly. On the other end, if what you are saying is correct, then I need to rearrange my lifestyle. I have always been a user of the NIV translation and if homosexuality is not a sin, then I need to stop my use of that translation.

It seems to me that we both strive to live lives that glorify and honor God to the best of our abilities. One of us is wrong, and one of us is right. With that in mind we need to continue with research in order to make sure we are doing everything we can to honor God with our lives.

Like I said I will research more extensively on this topic and get back to you with either a counter-argument or agreeing with your view of the topic. This will most likely happen once I don't have to worry about my College Finals :/.

In the meantime I have a question on a slightly different topic: Do you believe you will still be homosexual on the New Heavens and New Earth?

Nov 30, 2011

Truth is attainable and knowable
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, the truth is, I have been studying the Bible since 1969 and the topic of homosexuality since 1989. As I carefully document on this website and in my book with quotations from their writings, many anti-gay Christians agree with what I say. In spite of their agreement with many of the positions I take however, they steadfastly hold to their anti-gay opinions, without a shred of supporting objective proof. Discovering truth is not the same as embracing truth.

Will we still be homosexual on the new heavens and new earth?

The Bible makes no clear statement on that so anything we say is conjecture. However, if heterosexuals are still heterosexual after the resurrection, then certainly, homosexuals will still be homosexual. Both are part of God's wonderful creative plan. Jesus did indicate that in heaven, earthly marriage relationships will be different than we experience them down here, Matthew 22:30.

Dec 06, 2011

Wow.
by: Joseph

Okay, I don't see why people are so caught up on this. I mean, really? When I was like 5 I started liking guys. It is not a choice, I am attracted to guys and I never asked to be, plus I read something that says Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart. Jeremiah 1:5a.

So God knows where your life is going to lead. He knows your future, past and your present. I really don't think gay people should go to hell. It is not between anyone but yourself and God. All you people who say we're going to hell, you're judging us and its not your place because you don't know where we're going.

Dec 06, 2011

Ignorance
by: Anonymous

From the dawn of time, Man has always shunned, rejected, and damned things they do not understand.

Dec 08, 2011

absolutely outrageous...
by: simon

i really wanna ask if ur defending gays because u are gay or if u r just missing the obvious point of why man was made? u seem to not see past the point of having a good time or just cant conceive the concept that homosexuality IS A SIN
take from the moment of creation,, it was written:
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

note how they did not say man and his husband? nor did they say a man from a man?

it is clear the god does not approve of homosexuality and this it is seen as sin, so why should we meddle in affairs that may even seem odd to us that if you are unsure, then stay away from it because no matter how you sugar coat it, it is what it is... you cannot change what god has created just because something that "appears" better comes along...

Dec 09, 2011

I Love God
by: Confused

I knew I was attracted to females a long time ago but my mom is against that. She talks bad about homosexuals all the time but in my heart I know im one. When she found out she went crazy. I disgust her now. I dont know if im going to hell but I love God. I pray to Him constantly in fear of burning forever. Ive been battling with this for years and im still confused. I can't help that im attracted to females.

Dec 09, 2011

God created diversity
by: Standing Straight For Gay Rights

I believe everyone has the right to be with the one their heart tells them to be with. It should not matter whether you are lesbian like yourself, gay like many others on here, or straight like me and the anti-gay "Christians" on here. We are born the way God intended us to be. Remember, God does not make mistakes.

Dec 10, 2011

madness and incorrect information
by: Anonymous

correct god does not make mistakes but we do, if god intended for us to b gay then he would have given adam a husband not a wife, or he would have made 2 women.
the natural order of things is one way, male dogs do not go behind male dogs, nor any other animal in the world is so thus the natural order is specific to see that male bonds to females, so you cannot tell me that you are justifying it by says we cannot judge people.

Dec 11, 2011

Wrong Information?
by: Standing Straight For Gay Rights

No. There are animals in the wild (like monkeys) who exhibit homosexual behaviors and there are others who can switch sex willingly. I think it was some species of squid or octopus. So natural order is not a valid reason. And again, just because it began as man and woman does not mean God wants us All to have heterosexual relationships. God is just.

I do not think he would have made gays just for them to go to hell for LOVING. Gays do not decide to be hated, assaulted, damned, humiliated, and prosecuted. They do not decide to become gay and possibly be killed because of their sexuality. So to say they choose to be gay, you have to be gullible.

Dec 14, 2011

Homoexuals do go to hell
by: Anonymous

how about reading 1 corinthians 6:9-10. It clearly says homosexuals will go to hell.

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do no be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Dec 14, 2011

The wilfully ignorant are beyond the reach of truth
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey friend, this page started with a discussion of 1 Cor 6:9. Unlike you, we have read AND studied these verses. Get. A. Clue. Please.

Dec 15, 2011

Hey Rick...
by: Anonymous

I honestly don't know how you managed to interpret the Bible's words, which are very clear about homosexuality. I rely more on the NT by the way. But really, how about speaking in love and not using ad-hominems?

Anyways, like I said, the Bible is very clear about homosexuality and doesn't support it. I'm just saying the truth and I will not force anyone. Heck, I know I'm a sinner too. I'm just saying, stop twisting God's words.

Dec 16, 2011

Homophobic prejudiced twisters
by: Anonymous

Man has twisted His words for centuries, hence all the versions of the Bible. To say that Rick is twisting His words means nothing because it has already been twisted. Perhaps twisting it more will actually make it seem more like what God wants, not what homophobic prejudiced "true Christians" want us to believe.

Dec 31, 2011

Contantly questioning my salvation for being gay
by: Carlos

For as long I can remember, I've always been attracted to men, and not even the slightness to women. My father once told me he'd rather have me be a junkie living on the streets than having a gay son. I moved out the next day, I was 17. I've always had the fear of God in my heart, and shortly after I moved out I accepted Jesus as my savior. I was told in church being gay was the result of demon possession. I went to the altar countless times to have men and women of God to pray for me and expel the alleged demons off me. I trusted it would happen, but it didn't. I spent years in church feeling judged, battling these feelings and feeling impure during every sermon condemning homosexuality. I fell a couple of times, but always asked Jesus for forgiveness and tried to stay celibate. During multiple sermons, I felt I needed to leave and not come back to congregate since there was prophecies that judgement would fall upon the church I was attending for the sins commited biy impure members. I prayed and prayed and cried, but although I wanted to stay I felt I had to leave, I didn't want to be the reason for God to punish the congregation for the acts or constant battles of a few. My fellow Christian brothers and sisters do not know how hard it is to hear the constant condemnation of having these constant feelings for the same sex, and getting constantly judged while trying to stay true to God and trusting Jesus, while 9 out 10 sermons are just about condemning homosexuality and instead of preaching about the grace of God and enforcing the trust in his plan for salvation. It made me feel so so constantly impure to the point I left it all. It has been years, and now I pray at home, I'm celibate, but I'm still gay. I study the word, pray God to give me faith and I tell Jesus every night that I hope in his grace that if I die, he takes me to heaven. Some church leaders have lost some precious sight, calling gay people "faggots", or saying hateful things like "God hates fags". I wonder....Will God take these preachers to heaven? Those are pushing potential saved souls away with hatred and desdain, that was not the way Jesus taught.

Jan 03, 2012

only God can judge and decide
by: Not God

every one one seems to be worried to see who is right and who is wrong, God will deciede in judgment day, b-cuz of our actions we will be judged. and we all knw that satan has a purpose and is to destroy Gods work and followers of Christ those that believe in the unointing of the Holy Spirit. So wether we like it or not he is to blame God made man to his image and not to be forgoten! so satan is a hater deciever and distroyer of all belivers and if we dont fear God then who? instead of ppl fighting and bikering who is right pray and worrie about your salvation and let God decide and on judgment day. any one out there arguing with Gods word is wrong! and if homosexuals are not transformed or you believe are not saved then work harder as Christians we must not be doing a good job at preaching and showing his word! when judgment day comes we will see who will enter the kingdom and who will not! beacuse any one can ask any one will you go to hell? the question should be will you get in to heaven? ask a demon will you go to hell he will say no ask him will he go te hevean he will say no what is against Gods word and any sin will Not enter his kingdom so we all need to meditate on ower owne life first if we will enter his kingdom then judge others!

Jan 06, 2012

Rant from a moron - enjoy
by: Anonymous

This is a complete lie, how can you say that gays and lesbians arent going hell?!! did God destroy Sodom and Gomarroh because of that? yes he did!!!!! read romans chapter 1 versus 24-27 in the KJV of the bible and you will see, God completely disapproves this

Jan 08, 2012

Investigate a little and focus on context
by: Matt

I am surprised at the lack of understanding of the Bible and christian beliefs in this comment section.

Jan 12, 2012

Confused but trying
by: Anonymous

I do not believe in God and haven't for a while now, for many reasons. I keep finding contradictions and flaws in the holy text. Also there's something I don't much agree with.

My friend gets picked on for being gay. I'm a pacifist and not very good at standing up for what I believe in. I tried to get them to stop picking on my friend but they keep telling me being gay is a sin.

But if God positively made us, He also made gayness, right? Or are u gonna say that is Satan's temptation? I don't see why people who torture other people should think they can make it to heaven. It's evil of them, I think. I wish I could stop them but I'm too scared to stand up to them for my friend.

Jan 12, 2012

Here is the answer to your confusion
by: Rick Brentlinger

I am so sorry that people are picking on you and your friend. I admire your courage. Your comment encourages me to believe that you are stronger than you know.

Rest assured, God sees your situation, He loves you and He wants to save you and fill your heart with His peace and your life with His strength.

Please go to this Link: Saved and watch the short video.

I hope you will stay in touch with me and let me know what God is doing in your life. Many thanks for having the courage to comment. You are loved!

Jan 16, 2012

no such thing as a queer christian
by: Anonymous

going to hell for their sick actions, queers pick and choose the parts of the bible that suits, george michael can tell u all that god loves you, but if you read the book youll find he doesnt

Jan 16, 2012

I'm Too dumb to walk and chew gum - here's my incoherent thoughts
by: Anonymous

i dunno how i ended up on this site, ive never heard or read such deviant sh** before. afaik, no religion condones what goes against nature. ur all sick. whats worse is u pretend god can love you in your own little corner of the world, "stoned to death" who are u all kidding?

Jan 17, 2012

Its up to you
by: Truth

Wow..you seem to have all of the correct buzzwords and scripture sentences to justify living an abomination lifestyle...

All sins are forgiven because Jesus dies on the cross for ALL of us. Homosexuality, beastiality, and suicide are abominations I.E. UNFORGIVABLE sins. By the way, leading souls in the direction that hinders their salvation is also a sure way to lose your own salvation.

Jan 22, 2012

Gays will go to hell no matter what
by: Anonymous

Gays will always go to hell no matter what, Gays do not love Jesus or God because if they did they wouldn't have been gay. A gay cannot be Christian or a part of any Abrahamic religion. If you are gay you cannot be saved. Homosexuality is a permanent sin and has a permanent penalty, Hell-fire. God has made man AND women as companions. Do you not forget the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Jan 31, 2012

Homosexuality Is WRONG && You WILL go To HELL For It !!!
by: Anonymous

DO NOT lie to these people and make them believe that you can still go to heaven being gay , homosexual , bisexual or even transgender. God said it's an ABOMINATIOM , he HATESSSS it ! It isn't right so stop supporting it , either repent and have God take that crap away from you or go to HELL !!!!

Jan 31, 2012

Must be a full moon again!
by: Rick Brentlinger

Quick, someone call the clown posse! Some of the inmates have escaped and got access to a computer. Under a full moon, they make their schizoid posts, ranting like lunatics, yet sane enough not to use their real names.

Okay Anonymous guys, you've had your 15 minutes of fame. Crawl back under your rock now. Buh bye.

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