Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians?

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No, Romans 1:26 does NOT condemn lesbians. Some anti-gay Christians believe Paul is condemning lesbian sexuality because of Romans 1:26.

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" - Romans 1:26

Anti-gay Christians arrive at their false conclusion because of other false beliefs they hold. For example, they believe that Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 condemn both gay male and lesbian female relationships even though females/lesbians are not mentioned in those verses.

Ancient Jews did NOT understand Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 as prohibitions of lesbianism.


Anti-gay Christians assume that since Paul was brought up in the Jewish faith, he must have interpreted Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 the same way anti-gay Christians interpret them today, as universal proscriptions of all homosexual behavior, including lesbian behavior.

So when they get to Romans 1:26, they interpret "against nature" to mean lesbianism and nothing but lesbianism. According to their opinion, Paul couldn't possibly have been referring to any of the against nature behaviors listed on this page. 

Scripture only settles matters
about which it speaks plainly.


The anti-gay interpretation of Romans 1:26 was not the view of many Greek-speaking Christians in the first three centuries of the early church. The anti-gay interpretation does not fit the rest of scripture since lesbians are NEVER condemned in the Old Testament or anyplace in the New Testament. Isn't that interesting?

Here's a fascinating look at the meaning of Romans 1:26 from Jeramy's helpful website.


"While Romans 1:18-32 is the primary text used from the New Testament by those people who condemn homosexuality, that interpretation has not always been the interpretation of this passage. 

For example, verse 26, which is the only verse in Scripture which is often interpreted today to refer to lesbian sexuality, is often used to round out the beliefs of those who condemn all homosexuality as sin, since all of the other alleged condemnations of homosexuality specifically refer to male-male behavior, linguistically excluding female-female behavior. 

Looking back at early interpreters of this verse, while some have believed that this verse referred to lesbians (John Chrysostom), many key church leaders have not held this view, such as Clement of Alexandria and Saint Augustine, who believed this to be anal or oral sex between heterosexuals (Brooten, 1985; Miller, 1995). 

*** One early Christian writer, Anastasios, clearly dismisses the view that Paul was referring to lesbianism in his comments on Romans 1:26:

Clearly they (the females referred to in Romans 1:26) do not go into one another, but rather offer themselves to the men. (Brooten, 1996, p. 337n)

*** Augustine continues this line of thought (fairly explicitly):

But if one has relations even with one's wife in a part of the body which was not made for begetting children, such relations are against nature and indecent. In fact, the same apostle earlier said the same thing about women, "For their women exchanged natural relations for those which are against nature."  quoting Romans 1:26 (Marriage and Desire, 20.35)"


Shrine Prostitution


There is however, ONE female sexual practice which IS condemned in the Old Testament, Deuteronomy 23:17-18, which is linked to Gentile idolatry and which perfectly fits Paul’s "against nature" argument.

That sexual practice is female shrine prostitution, using sex to worship Ashtoreth, the fertility goddess consort of the male fire-god Molech.

Qedesha-female shrine prostitutes, are mentioned in Genesis 38:21-22, Deuteronomy 23:17, and Hosea 4:14. It better fits the context of Paul's argument in Romans 1:26 (idolatry) to understand that Paul is referring to the illicit sexual practice of female shrine prostitutes who serviced men than that, suddenly and unaccountably, with no Biblical basis from the Old Testament, Paul injects into his teaching against idolatry, a one verse condemnation of lesbians, (which is unrelated to idolatry) and which is without any basis in the Old Testament.

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Nov 28, 2009
Wow
by: Jason

Don't agree with any of it. Living in sin, same as speeding every day. No regrets, no spirit of God

Dec 11, 2009
Amazing!
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow Jason, you're so quick to condemn others as "living in sin" when you don't even know us.

Are you always so closed-minded? Your mind is already made up so don't confuse you with facts, right?

When you approach the Bible with an anti-gay agenda, your agenda gets in the way of receiving God's truth.

Feb 11, 2010
Don´t see how you can write all this
by: The Dude

Condemnation of homosexuality does appear in both the new and old testiment. God hates the sin however loves the sinner

Feb 11, 2010
Why do you refuse to read and study?
by: Rick Brentlinger

Asserting that the Bible condemns homosexuality without any verses which, in context, support your assertion, is just silly posturing.

Asserting that God hates the sin but loves the sinner is more of the same.

I hope at some point you will grow up, stop parroting what someone told you and base your opinions on what the Bible says, in context.

Feb 23, 2010
Only time will tell
by: Anonymous

I don't blame God or my parents for being born gay, nor will I blame any of you for judging as you do, remember this:

"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man?you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself?that you will escape the judgment of God?"

But I am sure those of you who do judge are perfect, so you have nothing to be concerned about.

Sep 05, 2010
gay life style
by: Anonymous

Don't over look the prime reason for the destruction of Sodom. The gay men tried to have ungodly sexual relations with the angels. Wow! J Jesus loves you no matter what your sin. But just call sin, sin and ask for forgiveness.

Sep 05, 2010
Time for you to get a clue
by: Rick Brentlinger

Your faulty assumptions about the meaning of Genesis 19 demonstrate your lack of understanding.

I encourage you to "get a clue" by reading the truth. People who reject truth have an unfixable problem.

What really happened in Sodom?

Feb 20, 2011
End the Condemnation
by: NJel

What happened in Sodom wasn't "gay sex" it was dominative "prison rape". The people of these cities hated foreigners and frequently established dominion over them. In addition to that, they did not love their neighbors, refusing to help the poor or give to the needy. Their love had grown cold just as Jesus predicts will happen in the last days also.

Not only that, but Jesus says that if he had done the same things in Sodom as he was doing in his day then even they would have been saved. There are no recorded documents of Jesus turning gay men straight; thus, we are to conclude that what would've saved Sodom wasn't turning them straight, but getting them to know God and know what it means to exercise God's love.

Romans 1:26 doesn't condemn lesbians. Simple as that. While many are content in being able to condemn gays, they are not true students of scripture otherwise they would actually STUDY the Bible and not just memorize what's on the surface pages. The letter kills but the spirit gives life, and the scripture predicts that a great many will depart from the faith. Why? Because people WANT to be able to condemn others.

Mar 14, 2011
Get it straight
by: Anonymous

God created the Earth with perfection, and everything was made with purpose. Trees, bodies of water, herbs, etc keep us alive. In keeping with perfection and His plan, He created man. Then, God created woman to be his perfect partner. Their bodies were created with a perfect design and purpose. Sexually, there is a perfect fit. From their union, babies were born, It takes a male and a female to create a family, which was meant to be the most powerful single unit on Earth,
Let's get real. God didn't create Adam and Bruce, or Eve and Eva. Homosexuality is a choice of certain people who are more interested in self more than God. Homosexuality, as described in the Bible, is an "abomination". Is that clear enough? I don't condemn you. However, you do need prayer. I will also pray for those who you have deceived. Stop the mission for homosexuality and seek the real truth from God. Stop quoting men, quote Jesus.

Mar 15, 2011
Abomination
by: George

My oh my, how easy it is to be blinded. Where on earth does it say homosexuality is an abomination, or fags are or dykes or queers or whatever else you want to throw out there. Ignore the facts misinterpret words for YOUR agenda. Jesus says watch out for false prophets. Think you have that covered , look in a mirror. Leviticus 18:22 lol, that sall you have look up what toevah is defined as and educate not discriminate.

Mar 16, 2011
Truth is more important than your opinions
by: Rick Brentlinger

to Anonymous Get it straight-

Don't you have the spiritual courage to put your name with your Comment?

No verse in the Bible describes homosexuality as abomination. If you disagree its because you haven't bothered to study the Bible in context.

Have you studied the words used in the Hebrew Old Testament which are translated abomination in our English Bibles? Why not?

The truth is, you are the one with the anti-gay agenda; you are the one promoting a lie. I hope you will wake up and get right with God. Your unloving criticism of your gay brothers and lesbian sisters is unbecoming of a real Christian.






Mar 16, 2011
Pet your seeing eye dog, George
by: Rick Brentlinger

It's so funny when anti-gay christians leave comments accusing us of being blind. I'm of the opinion that you are probably blinder than a bat backing in backwards concerning spiritual things, based on your comment.

Without ever studying the clobber passages in context, without any intelligent grasp of the cultural, doctrinal, linguistic, literary, historical or religious context, you feel qualified to accuse us of being wrong.

I hope your ignorance is not permanent. If you love Jesus, will you obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and "study to shew thyself approved unto God... rightly dividing the word of truth?"

To rightly divide the word means, interpret verses in context.

And about abomination, please check this out: Why did God call men having sex with each other abomination?

Jun 20, 2011
Exodus International??
by: Nikki

Hello:
I just read all of the information that you provided regarding the Exodus International programs. IF your claims are correct as to their rules during therapy, it is shocking, and I, for one, can tell you that Exodus International has NO CLUE what they are talking about.

I am a very FEMININE (by society's standards) GAY woman. My sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with being masculine in ANY way. I LOVE being a feminine woman, but I also love and cherish my feminine woman companion. There are MANY feminine lesbians as well as masculine gay men out there.

Being gay is not about being masculine or feminine, although there are gay women who are masculine and gay men who are feminine, it is not the majority by any stretch of the imagination.

IF EI TRULY knew what it meant to be gay, they would recognize it is not outward appearance or hobbies that makes one gay. How ignorant can people be in 2011?

Aug 22, 2011
CONFUSION
by: Anonymous

THE BIBLE IS MEANT TO BE THE BASE ON WHICH ALL TRUTH IS OBTAINED AND IF WE ARE TO GO WITH UR REFERENCE VERSE, LEV 18;22-24 STATES CLEARLY WHAT CONFUSION IS. ALL OF US HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF HIS GLORY BUT IF ONLY WE COULD READ HIS WORD KEENLY, THE CONFUSION IN THIS WORLD IS NOT ANY CLOSE TO ENDING.

Aug 22, 2011
Sorry you're so confused
by: Rick Brentlinger

Thanks, I think, for sharing your confused thoughts with us. Obviously you were unable to deal with God's truth in context, so you decided to change the subject. That's typical of people who oppose truth.

Oct 25, 2011
i really dont get this
by: Anonymous

i read leviticus 18:22-24 i dont suppose ive seen anything about homosexuality.im not against it either.i have a friend whos homo.someone give me a non confusing answer please.

Oct 25, 2011
These Links should help un-confuse you
by: Rick Brentlinger

Here are four helpful Links which I hope will un-confuse you.

Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13

Who is Jesus?

What must I do to be saved?

What is justification by Faith?

Oct 27, 2011
fornication is condemned
by: Anonymous

any sex outside of marriage is sin
agreed?
women cannot marry
and is not the biblical view of marriage (regardless of what some secular places practice)
agreed?
then lesbian SEX is sin
just as any sex outside of marriage, hetero or homo
its simple

Oct 29, 2011
Grace and common sense are always helpful
by: Rick Brentlinger

I encourage you to review your strange absolutist thought process. To help you with that, I provide the answer to your dilemma with these thoughts about gay marriage.

Nov 22, 2011
If God Created Everything...
by: Mark

In reference to Anonymous' comment on March 14th
Get it straight
by: Anonymous

He/she claims that God created everything, birds, trees, water, etc.. Indeed did not God create everything and everyone? If that is true, then he also created gays. Who are we to argue with the creator?

If gays are part of his divine plan, just like everyone else, then we should accept them too.

And if your too stubborn to accept that, them remember this: Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

I don't think it's a sin to be who you are, but if that is the way YOU feel, then you should still accept them. (And love the sinner) instead of all this hate mongering.

There are no DIRECT, for absolutely sure, stories about homosexuals in the bible. The references people go on about are open to interpretation. Many scholars now believe that those references have nothing to do with gays.

If you can forgive murderers, thief's, adulterers, etc.. Why can't you forgive and forget gays?

Talk about being two faced! You should be ashamed of yourselves!




Dec 02, 2011
keep reading please brother
by: ChildofYahweh

Another goofy comment based on ignorance:

You forgot to mention the next verse 27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

This clearly speaks against homosexuality and in Leviticus the penalty for homosexuality is death.

Brothers, I ask you to not change the word of god to make it fit your own fleshly desires. God and Jesus love you and I know that full well, but one cannot be cleansed of sins if one unrepentant towards them. We all sin.. all fall short of the glory of god... I am not above you but beside you in sin... and I hope to be beside you in the second resurrection, please I plead! please repent and pray for strength. Your Loving Brother in Christ

Jan 30, 2012
What is this??
by: Me.

I believe that God loves all of us. I am bi and I am a christian. I believe that as long as you love God and put no other man or woman before him, ask for him to forgive you of your wrongs, you will go to heaven.

Feb 07, 2012
GAYS WILL GOTO HELL
by: Anonymous

Rick's comment: This is incredibly dumb but I'm publishing it to give insight into the kind of fruit-loops comments we get so often from people who refuse to interpret scripture in context. This Anonymous coward ranted in all caps.

LOOK ANYTHING THAT ISNT OF GOD IS HELL BOUND I DONT HAVE TO LOOK UP SCRIPTURES BECAUSE NOW YOU COMPROMISING GOD'S WORD GOD DOESNT WANT GAYS OR ADULTERES OR LIARS OR ANYONE WHO BREAKS HIS LAWS BUT IF YOU REPENT OF YOUR SINS YOU WILL BE FORGIVING AND LEAVE THE WORLD BEHIND YOU IF THE WORLD STARTED WITH MAN ON MAN OR WOMAN ON WOMAN WHERE WOULD WE BE

Feb 08, 2012
Please read more carefully
by: Michael

Rick's comment: If you'll take a moment to look on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says, you'll see that we've read and studied these verses a lot more carefully than you and we've published the results of our study on this website for all to see.

Michael writes: The sin that I worry about the most for you is not the homosexuality. While that is a sin, it is the same as any other sexual sin. The one that I worry about is the fact that you are removing entire passages from the Bible by saying that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality ever in the Old Testament.

Please read Leviticus 18:19-23, but more specifically verse 22.

Also, read Leviticus 20:10-21, but more specifically verse 13.

These are straightforward instances in which God condemns homosexuality along with multiple other forms of sexual sin.

I am concerned that you will all look at this with a tainted view of trying to defend yourselves. I have no desire to condemn anybody, but I do have a strong desire to bring people correctly to Christ. Please reconsider your position on this. Read with an open mind desiring to do God's will only completely selflessly.

May 24, 2012
Lesbian relationships
by: Anonymous

Why do people judge lesbians?

Rick's comment: 1. Because it is human nature to criticize what they don't understand. And, they have never learned how to exercise Biblical judgment.

2. Because many of the people who judge lesbians are not saved.

May 31, 2012
Facts not quite right
by: Matt

Well, You mentioned Romans 1:26 where it references females trading natural for unnatural relations. You left out the next sentence in Romans 1:27, that makes the meaning of the first sentence perfectly clear,

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

Men were condemned for their desire towards other men and women were "in the same way" condemned for their desire towards other women. Not anti-gay by the way but just like facts to be honestly stated.

Rick's comment: The honest truth is, Romans 1:26-27 is about idolatry and temple prostitution, not lesbians and gay men.

I deal extensively with Romans 1:27. These links are a helpful starting point.

How can we be sure what Paul was talking about in Romans 1?

Romans 1 + a brief video.

Jun 16, 2012
FOR THE BIGGOTS
by: Anonymous

WOW SO THICK AND SO JUDGEMENTAL FIRSTLY SODOM WAS DESTROYED BECAUSE GOD COULD NOT FIND 10 RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE THE SEXUAL SIN WAS IDOLATRY AND RAPE OF THE ANGELS. THESE MEN WHERE NOT GAY OR LOT WOULD NOT HAVE OFFERED HIS DAUGHTERS. NO WHERE IN THIS STORY DOES IT SAY GOD DESTROYED SODOM FOR HOMOSEXUAL REASONS.? IT CLEARLY STATES THE REASON WAS INHOSPITALITY.SECONDLY WHY IS GOD SO AGAINST THE MEN BUT DOES NOT SAY AND WOMEN SHOULD NOT LIE WITH WOMEN ?.IF THIS IS WHAT IT MEANT IT WOULD BE CLEAR AND EQUAL WITH MEN AND THE WOMEN.GOD SAID IN GENESIS THAT MAN SHOULD NOT BE ALONE. HE MADE WOMAN FOR ADAM AND TOLD THEM TO PROCREATE. SO IF YOU CANT PROCREATE THEN YOUR UNACCEPTABLE TO GOD ? RUBBISH. HE GAVE THIS ORDER BECAUSE IF HE DIDN'T THE WORLD WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTINCT AGES AGO. HE ALSO GAVE HIM THE JOB OF NAMING EVERYTHING, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF WE NAME A NEW ITEM WE ARE WRONG TO DO SO CAUSE IT WAS ADAMS JOB ? READ YOUR BIBLE AND REMOVE YOUR OWN PERSONAL FEELINGS AND ISSUES AND YOUR EYES WILL BE OPEN AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.

Jun 21, 2012
What do you mean to study scripture in context?
by: Anonymous

what do you mean when you say to study the scripture "in context"? i don't understand.

Rick's comment: Great question! Studying scripture in context means to keep in mind who the Bible was written to, when it was written, who wrote it, what he intended to convey, how the original hearers and readers understood it.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

Rightly dividing the word of truth is studying scripture in context. For example, Leviticus tells about the animal sacrifices the children of Israel offered for their sins.

Leviticus is truth but it is NOT for us to practice today. We are not the children of Israel. We are not living in the Holy Land. We are not under the Old Testament Law. We are not living many centuries before the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ. Old Testament Jews were on the law side of Calvary.

We are Christians in the age of grace. We are saved by grace without any works because Jesus is our ultimate Sacrifice for sins. When Jesus died on the cross, there was no longer any need to offer animal sacrifices. We are on the grace side of Calvary.

Jun 22, 2012
RE: "in context"
by: Anonymous

okay. so who were they talking to or what situation were they in when referring to Romans 1:26 and 1 Corinthians 6:9?

Rick's comment: They were talking about shrine prostitutes or temple prostitutes, NOT gays and lesbians. Be sure to watch the video at these links and visit the text links too.

Romans 1:26-27

1 Cor 6:9 - malakoi

1 Cor 6:9 - arsenokoitai

Jul 30, 2012
Not sure, but maybe this helps.
by: Brandon

I have mixed feelings about the passages in question (Romans 1: 26-27). I have looked at the passages, and at first glance I don't feel comfortable with the interpretations you conclude with. I have looked at various interpretations on various websites, and both the conservative and liberal interpretations aren't very satisfying to me. However, the thing that convinces me that these verses are probably cultural and not permanant, is the fact that when we look at passages concerning roles of women in society, we Christians easily dismiss them as cultural, even though they have LESS of a cultural basis than the Romans 1 passages.

For example:

6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.7 A man ought not to cover his head,[b] since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own[c] head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.

This passage seems to have LESS of a cultural meaning than the Romans verses, but yet people dismiss this as cultural but not the Romans verses, despite them having references to temple prostitution. Therefore, these passages help to convince me that if something seems cultural, it may very well be, because we know that some other things mentioned in the Bible are.

I hope this helps in your search for truth, Rick. This may be helpful in spreading non-bigoted interpretations.

Sep 22, 2012
Lesbians are not Gay:
by: PETERFRAN

First; how does a man substitute a man for a woman? By sodomy.
Second; likewise, women aren’t to engage in this behavior. Be sodomized.
Homosexuality is misnomer; same genders cannot have sex.
Petting, kissing, and sucking one another is natural, also is masturbation.
Men don’t drop seeds when they masturbate; they drop semen.
The Most High doesn’t care about natural play; but about unhealthy and reckless behavior.
Bastard making, dead beat dads, divorce, perverse coveting, and arrogance.
A woman’s sexual responsibility does not change if she’s a lesbian, and so it is a non-issue.
But men who drop their seeds, and commit sodomy are detrimental, to themselves and others.
Equating lesbianism with sodomy is beyond offensive; both biblically and socially.
Rick's comment: Peter, may I encourage you to wear a hat from now on when you spend a lot of time in left field? The sun is overheating your brain. Many thanks.

Oct 22, 2012
Artificial Insemination
by: Anonymous

By the first word in it, that it is clearly against nature is it not? Something invented by man not by God? Therefore lesbians cannot get pregnant by natural means unless they commit adultery against their partner. Man has a penis so that he may put his seed in a woman, his wife. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve. I understand that 2 males is considered spilling of the seed and symbolic of loss of like. But if 2 woman have sex, can a baby be born? No, because the egg cannot be fertilized and therefore is also a symbolic loss of life. Just as is a woman's period. For the egg is not fertilized and purged from the woman's body, a symbolic loss of life.

Rick's comment: Another chapter in, Adventures in Missing the Point. Ignoring all of the evidence AND the context is NOT the best way to figure out what Romans 1:26 is talking about.

"For this cause..." - Romans 1:26.

What cause? Idolatry, which Paul has described in vs. 18-25. Because of idolatry, worshiping false gods and goddesses, God gave them over to what they wanted to do, which was, use their bodies in service to false gods.

Paul's point in the first century and his point today has nothing to do with biological reproduction.

Hope this is helpful. Thanks for stopping by.

Nov 02, 2012
Homosexuality
by: Sonja

The bible clearly says that you need to be born again to see the kingdom of God, so until you are born again you will not understand the bible, until your spiritual eyes is open. Being born again means you must be born of water and spirit. Read John 3. You must accept God as your savior, then be baptized with water, then with the Holy Spirit. Then you will have a total change of mind on how you see God's word and the world.
Then ask yourself will a murderer still murder after having this encounter with God?
Then ask the same question about homosexuality.

Rick's comment: Hi Sonja - We agree that everyone must be born again. Until one gets saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone (water baptism and joining a church are not part of that transaction), they cannot understand the Bible.

But it is silly to compare homosexuals to murderers. That displays appalling ignorance or blind prejudice. Very odd indeed coming from a professing christian.

Jan 04, 2013
Its interesting to read through these comments.
by: Anonymous

So, are all of you without sin and live clean and sin-free lives? I didn't think that was possible. There was one guy who was perfect and he explained this thoroughly. He wrote a pretty good book. You should really read it cover to cover next time.

Rick's comment: We've never claimed to be sinless so you're just making things up and then acting like what you made up came from us. Might work with toddlers in kindergarten but won't work here.

Did you know that wise Christians always interpret the Bible in context? Doing that will change your life.

Jan 15, 2013
We All Have A Choice
by: Keith

Peace and Blessings to you my brother. Let me 1st say that I have nothing against anyone whether gay, straight or bi. I have been reading your website for the past 2 hours and I can tell that you are a man that loves The Lord dearly. I am however, concerned with your interpretations of scripture and it appears you are operating with some bias. Romans 1:18-32 clearly covers the issue.

Rick's comment: I hope you'll familiarize yourself with the context of Romans 1 so that we're all on the same page. Romans 1 is clearly NOT about anyone who is gay.

There are definitely many false teachers parading around condemning the gay community and they will be judged accordingly for that. But it is equally wrong for you to teach false doctrine to our fellow brothers and sisters. Sex outside of marriage is wrong.

Rick's comment: You're narrowly defining marriage as a ceremony between a man and a woman. Yet in the Bible, marriage is when flesh joins flesh, Genesis 2:24, 1 Cor 6:16.

It goes against Gods law plain and simple. Anything stated other than that is false teaching. You cannot justify it. It feels right for me to hate those that mock me and treat me poorly but it goes against Gods law. We are not allowed to have sex with the same sex. Thats it.

Rick's comment: Keith, every time you say we're not allowed to have sex with the same sex, you're basing that on verses you take out of context because if you left the verses in context, you know they are not talking about gays and lesbians. Those verses are talking about temple prostitutes. It is wrong to rip verses out of context to "prove" your opinion.

Jan 16, 2013
smh - you ought to be ashamed
by: niki34

I pray against the lies and heresies of this blog. rick you are indeed a false prophet & will have a lot of people blood on your hand.you are indeed preaching another Gospel smh

Rick's comment: I'm shaking my head at your comments Niki34. Since when do you get to ignore what the Bible says in context and then insist that the Bible means what you think it means?

Since when do you get to rip verses out of context and then insist that the out of context verses mean what you think they mean without regard to context?

I'm going to insist that you memorize 2 Timothy 2:15 and Ephesians 4:25 this week. And I encourage you to apply those wonderful verses EVERY time you read the Bible. Many thanks.

Feb 02, 2013
the truth
by: Anna T

Does it at all worry you, that every single commentator out there except for you interprets the Bible correctly: going against the woman's natural use IS lesbian acts IS sin. We do not hate you: I have family struggling with this sin. But it is a sin that needs to be fought against. Praying for all the people you have deceived through this website.

Rick's comment: Ignoring what the Bible says in context does not make you right. Repeating a lie does not make it truth. You need to start loving God's truth instead of attacking your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

Feb 03, 2013
Anna is confused? And so is everybody else?
by: Brandon

I don't understand Anna's comment. Two fallacious statements are presented.

1. There are actually many other people who believe what Rick believes. In fact they even go beyond that and find eternal Biblical principles to back their interpretations. (I'm sure Rick has some, they just aren't presented here.) So it is not everyone vs. Rick.

2. You committed a major logical fallacy. REGARDLESS of whether or not homosexuality is a sin or not, you CANNOT assert that a statement is true because many people believe it (or as you said, everyone but Rick). If homosexuality is a sin, it is because God said it is, not because 72% of Christians said so. Likewise, if it is not a sin, it is because God says it is not a sin, not because 28% of Christians say so (That would be a fallacious reversal).

Another thing I noticed is that nobody really debates with Rick. They all just say he is wrong and warn him of imminent doom. If Rick is wrong, then you need to explain why. I will not preclude the possibility that Rick and I are wrong, after all, the Bible isn't ENTIRELY straightforward about this.

But just because you are in the majority, it doesn't give you the right to be lazy, nor does it give you an excuse from researching. If we are going to find out who's right about this, there can't be any "special benefits" for any party when it comes to debating. Meaning, that one side can't assume they are right, without looking into the matter themselves.

Mar 05, 2013
Your Logic
by: Anonymous

If we use your logic Jesus did not speak to the issue of incest, rape, drug abuse, wife beating, and gay-bashing. Are we to conclude that these acts are morally good?

Rick's comment: Truth is about reading the Bible in context. It is dishonest to assume that your view of Romans 1:26 is correct when historically, your view has NOT been the view of most Christians for the last 2000 years.

Why are you unable to be honest about what the Bible says? Why do you dodge and evade the truth as it is in Jesus? How long will you avoid the truth?

The topic in Romans 1 is idolatry, not two gay gals or two gay guys. How can you read Romans 1 and miss that? You are attempting to refute what I have written with sophomoric illogic instead of grappling with what the Bible says in context.

It is time for you to grow up and get serious about God's truth. And please, find some moral courage somewhere and start using your real name when you comment.

Mar 24, 2013
Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians? Yes...
by: Maryland

I just like to say that if you even have to ask the question about Romans 1:26 of what God say about lesbians, gays, it is all Homosexuality this is sin and the wages of sin is death in the Lake of Fire when you die and leave the Earth. Yes Jesus Christ died for our Sins, so that we will repent and be saved from Hell's Fire. People are in the lust of there flesh, it is not love. When people get angry about others not going alone with the sin that they are living in they get mad because deep down in there soul they know that they are wrong. Real Christians that study the Bible know right from wrong. If God said it is wrong it is wrong. You all know that you are wrong, it is the Sin. Jesus came to give us a way out not to live in Sin to be casted into the Lake of Fire at that day. Yes God love you, but do you love Him to do the right thing and be a discipline for righteousness, God will deliver you if you want to be delivered. This is the End of the Ages. I am concerned about your soul, God don't want any person to be lost. I am just trying to let you know the truth. God made man and woman. It this was the way God wanted people to live this way, he would have made two men, or two women. And He would not have said to full the Earth. Two Men and Two Women can not product anything. Stop and think about this, God will make you free the truth. Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the Life is in Him.

Rick's comment: If you come to the Bible to prove your anti-gay presuppositions, you will ignore context, as you have done. If you have an anti-gay axe to grind, you will use kindergarten illogic to prove your point, as you have done.

Your assignment this week is to look up and memorize 2 Timothy 2:15. Then, every time you read the Bible, obey 2 Timothy 2:15. Part of growing as a Christian is learning to read the Bible in context (rightly dividing the word).

Spiritually speaking, you are stuck where you are and further growth is impossible until you start reading the Bible in context. Many thanks for stopping by.

May 06, 2013
sin
by: Anonymous

From the beginning God created everything for a purpose, to produce everything after it kind. HOMOSEXUAL SEX CAN NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING BUT SIN When can bring forth brith then i will know its God.

Rick's comment: Four questions please. 1. For what purpose did God create celibate people? 2. For what purpose did God create infertile and sterile people? 3. For what purpose did God create elderly people who are past child-bearing years?

4. Since they cannot and do not reproduce after their kind, where does that leave your argument?

May 22, 2013
Things to Ponder
by: Troy

There were many abominations in the Old Testament. WHY are there no Christians picketing Red Lobsters around the country in disgust of the shameful act of eating shrimp?? This is an abomination to God!!!

Why are there no Christians picketing stores that sell clothes made from two different types of fabric??? This is an abomination to God!!

If you keep Paul's statements in Romans in context, you will discover that Paul is talking to self-righteous Christians like many today. The people he's writing to are still lovers of the law. They are Christians who look with disgust at the people Paul refers to. If you keep reading you'll find that Paul had them trapped in their self-righteous thinking and then laid it on the line with them. After he had them hooked he told them they were just like these people. They were just as bad. In other words, let him with no sin cast the first stone.

Anal sex was an abomination to God because it was unclean. (They didn't have condoms back then.) This says nothing about it being a sin to be a homosexual. There was no abomination against lesbian sex. It's possible, by the way, for two gay couples to love each other and not have anal sex. I think it's safe to say many married people seldom, or possibly never, have sex. If two gay people married and never had sex, I'm sure many Christians would still find fault with them.

The Bible says nothing about it being wrong for a man to love another man, or a woman to love another woman. In fact it says just the opposite. It says that Jonathan loved David more than a woman (2 Samuel 1:26) . It says the Ruth loved Naomi. She made a vow to live with Naomi the rest of her life. (It's a short book. Read it.) Naomi and Ruth eventually raised Naomi's child. Christians seem to be okay with THIS vow between two women. No one knows if they had sexual relations, and it's no one's business if they did or didn't. Christians look at heterosexual married couples and never think about them having sex. The word homosexual and heterosexual are fairly new words. They are not words that describe the total person.

And just for the record, this is another topic that is misinterpreted. The Bible does not say that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorra because it was full of homosexuals. The men of Sodom were not gay. It's absurd to think that all the men of Sodom were gay. That's not even realistic thinking. The Bible does list the sins of Sodom. Read Ezekiel 16:48. It tells you exactly what the sins of Sodom were. I'm sorry to disappoint many of you, but homosexuality was not listed as a sin. Go read it. The men of Sodom were straight men wanting to sexually ABUSE other straight men. It's a story of sexual abuse. There's another story in the Bible that parallels this story, but it was women who were sexually abused by a large group of men in a town. NO ONE uses this story to condemn heterosexuals. WHY NOT????

Think about these things.

Jun 26, 2013
Really?
by: Matt

Why are we arguing about Bible verses? Do you know that while the passages are said to have been inspired by God, that the main organization to come up with which books would be included in the Bible was the ancient Catholic church? The same church that burned people at the stakes.

Rick's comment: Hi Matt - the answer is, No, the Catholic Church did not decide which books would be included in the Bible. That decision was already being made in the mid-first century AD, long before the Catholic church existed. For example, 2 Peter 3:15-16.

"And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Peter recognized the Pauline epistles as scripture. The New Testament canon was for all intents and purposes, settled by around AD 195, as far as boots on the ground Christians were concerned. It took Catholic councils several hundred years to certify what Christians throughout the Roman empire had already certified via the guidance of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness in their hearts as to which books were inspired New Testament scripture.


Didn't Jesus go against the pharisees who only took the literal value in ancient scriptures? Follow your hearts and if you are a man who feels the burning love of his female wife, why are you concerned with anything else?

Dec 17, 2013
Fit our lives to God's word
by: fred

I dont see how it could get any clearer than Romans 1:26-My NASB version says- For this reason God gave them(who are them? them are homosexuals) Over to "Degrading Passion" For their women exchanged the "NATURAL FUNCTION" for that which is "UNNATURAL" .

Verse 22 says- Professing to be wise, they became fools. . 24 therefore, God gave them over in the lust of their hearts to "IMPURITY" 25 Says they (homosexuals) exchanged " the truth of God for a lie" and worshiped tyhe creature rather than the creator.

So far, I see Gods word has called Homosexuallity, "UNATURRAL" "IMPURITY" "FOOLS" "LIARS" AND THEY HAVE A DEPRAVED MIND. Yes, Homoseuality is a sin according to Gods word it is a sin, no matter how you paint it or how many roses you plant around it, sin is sin.

Rick's comment: Several suggestions Fred.

1. Take a couple of deep breaths and repeat to yourself: "It isn't necessarily true just because I say it's true."

2. Get an old KJV - it's a lot more accurate than your NASB.

3. Stop indulging your weird habit of putting the word homosexual into the Bible. God NEVER put that word in the Bible.

4. Start reading and studying and draw your conclusions only AFTER you have read and studied a lot more than you have so far.

5. Read, memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15. It will change your life for the better.

Thanks for stopping by.

Dec 19, 2013
Creature than the creator?
by: Nikki

I just read Fred's comment of 12/17/13. How does the phrase: "They worshipped the creature rather than the creator" even relate to homosexuality. It was relating to the idol worship that these people were bowing down to. Fred, and so many other people don't want to acknowledge that Paul was speaking of idol worship in this passage.

Rick's comment: Great point Nikki. Even a casual reading of Romans 1 indicates that Paul's argument is about idol worship.

May 12, 2014
1 Timothy 3:2
by: Ken

Question: If Paul's understanding of sexuality was that hetero/homo sexual relationships were both allowable just as long as each were monogamous, then why doesn't 1 Timothy 3:2 tell us that an elder can be faithful to a "spouse" or "partner" instead of needing to be faithful to his (elder's) wife (original language is gender specific)? This concept can also be seen in Genesis 2:24, Mark 10:7, Matthew 19:5-6. And please, whoever answers this, don't tell me to read 2 Timothy 2:15.

Rick's comment: Hi Ken - your question seems to ignore everything in the article above. I'll attempt an answer anyway. When we study the Bible, we always factor in the biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic literary and religious context. We go by what the Bible says, in context. Paul's purpose in 1 Timothy apparently, was not to address gay issues so he didn't mention anything related to being gay.

If you are making "the husband of one wife" an ironclad rule, and reasoning, then single males cannot be pastors, that creates problems. Interpreting it that way excludes unmarried males and widowed males and divorced males. Childless males also cannot pastor and males who have rebellious wives or children cannot pastor. Do you really believe that is what Paul meant?

The point is, the Bible never makes those items ironclad rules. That is an interpretation some people impose upon the text. Your idea that if Paul thought gay marriage was okay, he would have said so in 1 Timothy 3 is not a thoughtful way to approach scripture, in my opinion. It is just an argument from silence. Better to teach the Bible word by word, line upon line, precept upon precept.

Concerning what you label gender specific language, what do you do with a verse like Romans 5:12? According to the verse, only men are sinners. Women are not mentioned as being sinners. Of course, I'm using absurdity to make a point.

Wouldn't it be easier to just accept the truth that the God who took your place on Calvary's cross, the God who arose from the dead and saved you by His grace, did not say in the Bible, what you seem to believe about gays and lesbians?

Did you notice in the Matthew 19 passage that Jesus specifically exempts gay people (eunuchs) from the Adam and Eve marriage paradigm. "All men cannot receive this saying." Isn't that interesting?

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