What Bible are you using to defend your gay Christian position?

KJV-1611 - simply the BEST!

KJV-1611 - simply the BEST!

KJV-1611 - simply the BEST!
Cambridge wide-margin KJV

The King James Version is the most God-honored English translation and in my opinion, is absolutely the best Bible for English speaking people. The King James Version is the most accurate and the most gay-friendly English translation of Inspired Scripture.

I don't place much faith in translations which use the word homosexual since that word is a modern construct which was never used by any human author of the Bible.

Having said that, I quote many versions on this website because I know that my readers use many different versions. For example, I quote 45 versions to discuss the Greek word malakoi in 1 Corinthians 6:9.

Basic views of gay Christians

  1. There are only a few verses in the Bible which allegedly condemn gay and lesbian partnerships.

    a. Genesis 19 - The Sodom Story

    b. Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 - The Holiness Code

    c. Deuteronomy 23:17-18

    d. Romans 1:26-27 and Cybele Worship

    e. 1 Corinthians 6:9 - Arsenokoitai and Malakoi

    f. 1 Timothy 1:10

  2. Anti-gay Christians must isolate these verses from the context in which they were given in order to impose their anti-gay interpretation on the verses.

  3. Only by ignoring the cultural, doctrinal, historical, linguistic, literary and religious context can these verses be interpreted as condemning all gay and lesbian partnerships.

  4. Words like natural and unnatural, as used by Paul, describe what was natural or unnatural to first century Roman culture.

  5. Many passages of scripture which were culturally significant in Bible times, are not culturally significant today.

    In plainer words, what was considered sin by our ancient Jewish and Christian ancestors, is NOT considered sin today by most of the body of Christ.

    A few examples of culturally prohibited things which most Christians ignore today

    a. Leviticus 11 prohibits eating certain kinds of meat, not because it was morally wrong but to set Israel apart from the pagan idolaters surrounding them and to keep them from eating meat offered to idols.

    Most Christians do NOT consider it sinful to eat bacon, catfish, ham, oysters, pork, scallops, shark steak, snails (escargot) and shrimp although God specifically forbad eating those things in Leviticus 11.

    b. Leviticus 19:19 prohibits cross-breeding animals or plants (heterosis), not because it was morally wrong but to sanctify (set apart) Israel until Messiah came.

    "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." -Galatians 3:19

    Many modern Christians own cross-bred animals today or consume cross-bred animals when they eat meat from the grocery store or restaurant. Examples include: cattle, sheep, llamas, dogs, cats, horses. Older cross-breeds include mules (a cross between a female horse and a male donkey).

    Most Christians do NOT consider it sinful to cross-breed animals or eat meat from a cross-bred animal although God clearly forbad cross-breeding animals in Leviticus 19:19.

    Much of the body of Christ today eats food which is the result of seed-mingling. If you've ever eaten store-bought spaghetti sauce or corn chips, both are made with hybrid vegetables and would have been prohibited under Leviticus 19:19.

    Most Christians do NOT consider it sinful to eat cross-bred vegetables and fruits, although God specifically forbad cross-breeding plants in Leviticus 19:19.

    c. Leviticus 19:19 prohibits wearing mixed fabrics, not because it was morally wrong but to teach Israel her distinctive place in God's plan of redemption.

    Most Christians do NOT consider it sinful to wear mixed fabrics, although God specifically forbad wearing mixed fabrics in Leviticus 19:19.

    d. 1 Timothy 2:9 prohibits women from wearing braided hair, gold, pearls and expensive clothing. Yet most Christians do NOT consider it sinful for Christian women to wear braids, gold jewelry, pearls or expensive dresses although God specifically forbad those items in 1 Timothy 2:9.

    Some argue,
    Yes but on sexual issues, it would be dead wrong to interpret Biblical teaching as merely a cultural issue which does not apply today.

    Okay, so why do most Christians
    ignore Jesus' teaching on divorce.
    Isn't it crystal clear?

    e. In Mark 10:11-12, Jesus forbids divorce and instructs us that when a divorced man or woman re-marries, they commit adultery.

    "And he (Jesus) said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her,"

    and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.

    -Mark 10:11-12, ESV

    Most of the body of Christ ignores the teaching of Jesus so that in the modern church, about 1/3 or more of church members, including many pastors and deacons, are divorced and remarried.

    Most Christians today do not view divorce and remarriage as adultery yet Jesus clearly forbids divorce and remarriage and calls it adultery in Mark 10:11-12. Why?

    These are culturally specific things which are part of inspired scripture BUT are not regarded as binding on most Christians today.

    The verses alleged to prohibit homosexuality were culturally specific prohibitions of shrine prostitution and idolatry, no more applicable to gay and lesbian Christians today than the other culturally specific things we've listed here.

  6. The rare Greek word arsenokoitai, which is translated as homosexual in the NIV, was never used to mean homosexual in the first 600 years of church history. Click the Link and read the facts.

  7. When dealing with the alleged anti-gay verses, Gay Christians are more faithful to the meaning of the Bible (prohibiting idolatry), than most anti-gay Christians.

  8. The ONLY same sex relationships condemned in the Bible involve (1) idolatry by male or female shrine prostitutes or (2) a rape scenario (anal rape is one of the primary meanings of the Greek word arsenokoitai).

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Jul 23, 2009
As usual, Rick...
by: Dorothy

....your answer is thorough, well-thought-out, studied, and ultimately, true to the Holy Word.

Jesus Himself said that some "eunuchs" were born that way from the womb. He did not state it condemingly, but matter-of-factly.

Shouldn't He, the Creator of all, know????

Why do we never hear about that from anti-gay Christians?

Jul 28, 2009
It's not all Greek to me
by: Anonymous

I'm surprised to hear the The King James Version is your choice for the most "gay friendly" bible since it is the same one I read.

I can assure you nothing like what you are squeezing out of it is in there. How do eunuchs play into the gay argument. The bible indicates the they were formed through no fault of their own so because they're missing an organ they're gay? And it's a "natural" thing. How did you swing that interpretation?

Also, the Greek word "Pais" is not a "companion lover" as you describe in the Gay Centurion". It means young child or servant. Did you think no one would actually look that up? Just because you can pull whatever interpretation you want out of the clear blue sky does not make it true.

Aug 15, 2009
Well thought out argument!
by: Michael Paul

I was pleased to read your article regarding the KJV and translational errors found in more modern versions that seem to make it even more difficult to discuss gay issues in the bible.

I prefer the NKJV because of it's modern tone but refuse to succumb to more contemporary "updates" that use the culturally tainted "homosexual" word, among others.

If we stay open to the context in which these words were not only written but intended through the original Greek/Hebrew, we very quickly find the anti-gay agenda holds no water. Thanks for bringing your opinions to light - you help us to know that we are not alone!

Jan 13, 2010
Its never clear, but kudos
by: Draek

I agree that there are many things people force when it comes to the Bible.

A lot of things are not clear, and you need to invoke the Holy Spirit when reading I'm sure.

Just like the guy above who tries to limit the word "Pais" when CLEARLY if you really study the word, it had sexual connotations and does NOT simply mean young child or servant.

Someone who hates gays, will refuse meaning. Someone who is gay will infer meaning. No one is free of bias when reading the Bible, because it is so personal.

Sep 27, 2011
Eunuchs were celibate not gay!
by: Anonymous

These folks were straight persons that never got married. Once again, you try to twist scripture to your own whim. The bible warns people will try to do this.

Sep 27, 2011
Why are you too lazy to study and learn?
by: Rick Brentlinger

I completely understand why you don't have enough courage to use your name with your Comment. I do hope at some point in your life you will develop enough Christian character to read and study the Bible, 2 Timothy 2:15.

Ignorance is not an admirable character trait. Here is a good place to begin educating yourself about eunuchs.

Apr 03, 2012
Weak Points
by: Courtney

It's a weak argument to say most Christians eat ham, etc (dietary laws). That came from the Old Testament and was for the Jews, who even now, still follow the Law of Moses. I didn't think we were supposed to read the Word and say, "Well that was culturally unacceptable back then but not now." When did it change? (honest question here...not being snarky)

Rick's comment: What I pointed out is six items where anti-gay Christians ignore things considered sinful under the law but are not considered sinful today. Yet while doing that, they try to squash gay people under Lev 18:22 and 20:13.

It is the hypocrisy of picking and choosing which parts of the law are still in force. And always, they are careful to ignore what applies to them by saying it's cultural and no longer matters. But what they want to put on us still matters, yada yada yada. (Old Yiddish expression, similar to saying, You know? in English).

Courtney, do you agree on the six items I listed, that modern Christians, prolly including you, feel no need to comply with them, even though they are in the Bible?

The point is, if anti-gay Christians can ignore all of those laws, what gives them the right to say, But you gays MUST keep the Old Testament Law!? Do you see the hypocrisy?

Apr 03, 2012
by: Courtney

I wouldn't agree or disagree at this point in my journey with Christ. I would say as a group though, sadly we are divided. And that irritates me. No wonder people frown on Christians. There is only one truth and I sometimes wonder if the truth was lost years ago. Either way, if Jesus is in fact a person's Savior, then above everything else, that person is Christian and that's what matters. Everything else is between God and the individual. :o) Have a good night.

May 15, 2012
Silly stuff
by: Lorrie

What was sin in the beginning of time is still sin today. God dosent change, we do. Sodom and gomorrah was destroyed because the people of that city was wicked, and the men of the city compassed Lots house to Know the angels ,men as they saw them. You are trying to smooth over your sins and make it appear as thou you are right when Gods word plainly states that being a homosexual is against His word? You are wrong in your thinking . And this site is so depraved !

Rick's comment: In the future, it works better if you're not chewing gum while typing your comment. Thanks for remembering that.

May 15, 2012
Are people truly born gay?
by: Anonymous

Hi. I have a question regarding my last post and your response to it. You pointed out that Christians (or the anti-gay Christians, and I do separate the two groups because I'm Christian, not gay, but I have no issues with people's sexual orientation.) I just want answers. So anyways, moving on.

You said something about anti-gay Christians using Old Testament law against them but then I read the verse in New Testament that eunuchs should accept it if they can. Am I understanding this to mean that people are truly born gay?

Rick's comment: Yes, the Bible and Jesus are clear that people are born gay. Here are the facts on homosexual eunuchs and what Jesus said about them.

Why do people think it's a choice then?

Rick's comment: 1. They've been taught wrong. 2. They refuse to study and think for themselves. 3. They refuse to believe what Jesus said in context. 4. They haven't yet developed enough moral character to stand for truth when standing for truth is unpopular and difficult.

And in response to Lorrie, who posted under my last post: If this is a sin, then Christ dying on the cross for the entire world covers it. And I'm not saying that people should use this fact as a way to justify their actions, but I don't think being gay is a choice so if a person is born this way, how is it sinful?

And Old Testament or the Law of Moses was given to the Jews. My understanding is that Christians don't have to live their life by the Law of Moses, hence we don't follow a kosher diet.

Rick's comment: This may be helpful to those who believe the Bible in context. Are Christians under law? The Bible is clear that we are not.

I could add on to this but it will be a really long post and off the topic. I'll continue to pray on this. God Bless everyone!

Jun 19, 2012
LOVE thy neighbor
by: Anonymous

We are not too preach the hate message at all. We are not supposed to hate a gay person, because that person has a soul that needs too be saved, and we talk to them with love. Not saying a gay person cant be saved. Im saying if you really love your savior who died for YOU to take YOUR sins away AND give you eternal life by just having FAITH in his name and what he has done. I am not saying that you are too justify what they are doing is ok or right. They do need rebuked.

Rick's comment: It will help your under-standing if you read and study first and then make comments. However well-intentioned you are, your comment makes little sense.

And i am a hipocrit. for any 1 sin is as bad as another and 1 sin is the same as 1,000 but you will be judged for them all.

Rick's comment: All sins are not the same. And for Christians, ALL our sins have already been judged and paid for by Jesus. That is justification by faith.

If you really love your savior you wont care about whos being a hipocrit but what you can do too have a better relationship with him and honor him by maintaining your sins you can prevent on a daily basis. the new testament is grace by faith the old testament still does have laws that we shouldnt try too overlook or justify.

Aug 15, 2012
study of arsenokoites?
by: Anonymous

Rick's comment: Using Strong's Concordance to define arsenokoitai is like using a kindergarten student to teach physics. I hope you will also read the information I provide at this Link.


Anonymous's comment: New Testament Greek Lexicon -
New American Standard

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon

Strong's Number: 733
Original Word
arsenokoites from (730) and (2845)
Transliterated Word
Phonetic Spelling
Parts of Speech
Noun Masculine
Definition - one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

NAS Word Usage - Total: 2
homosexuals 2

NAS Verse Count
1 Corinthians 1
1 Timothy 1

As for the whole Gays are born that way.
Whitehead, writing in "The Importance Of Twin Studies," notes:

Identical twins have identical genes. If homosexuality was a biological condition produced inescapably by the genes (e.g. eye color), then if one identical twin was homosexual, in 100% of the cases his brother would be too...

Rick's comment: NARTH is notorious for fudging facts and making it up as they go. No honest person trusts NARTH to get it right.

Anonymous' comment: There have been hundreds of studies on this. http://www.narth.com/menus/born.html

Some say animals practice homosexuality so its natural. Animals also eat their young, force themselves on partners and kill dominant males of the group to show superiority. Should we accept that kind of behavior as well? All of God's creation was corrupted when man chose sin.

http://www.narth.com/docs/nothardwired.html "Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired," Concludes Dr. Francis S. Collins, Head Of The Human Genome Project.

You are right about one thing though. Sin is sin no matter what the sin is. It is wrong to eat pork and wear mixed cloth clothes. The key point here is I don't have to do those things and I get to chose if I want to be around it. Homosexuals are now pushing to have gay marriage legalized. Now I am having the sanctity of my marriage (a biblical defined covenant with god between me and my wife) made a mockery of.

Rick's comment: Oh, you poor little thing! You mock gay relationships and then complain that someone is making a mockery of your marriage. LOL - That may be the dumbest statement I've ever read. You heteros act so pious about your marriages yet you are the ones who get divorced and remarried at astronomical rates.

Claiming that someone else's marriage makes a mockery of your marriage or is against your religion is as goofy as getting angry at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet.

Anonymous' comment: Sodom and Gomorrah went down this path too. Do you have a fabricated explanation of this too?

Rick's comment: Sodom and Gomorrah were cities full of fornicating heterosexuals. More about that - What ancient Jews believed about Sodom.

Jan 15, 2015
Wrong about some things right about others
by: Michael Burton

People cannot be naturally born gay. This has been PROVEN. All genealogists agree there is no "gay gene" or sole biological cause for same sex attraction. If you mean natural by design that's false. Sex was intended for the male and female counterparts. Also God did not create people that way. The only way it is natural is that it occurs in nature. Butto conclude that homosexuality is moral just because it occurs in nature is ridiculous.

Rick's comment: Hi Michael - I encourage you to read this page, where Jesus disagrees with your assertion that it is PROVEN that people cannot naturally be born gay. In ancient times, the term, eunuch, included gays, lesbians and transgendered people, as well as castrated men.

Jesus teaches the course: Homosexual Eunuchs 101.

Feb 21, 2015
Your'e all stupid
by: Ralph Malph

Basically the argument is that many of God's laws are not being followed so why should the laws against homosexuality be any different. If that is the case then you make a point to throw out the entire Bible and its teachings. So there you have it, you dont have to worry about being a Gay Christian because if there is no Bible, there is no argument!

Rick's comment: LOL - Hi Ralph - A character from the old Happy Days TV show takes the time to tell us we're stupid, then provides a straw man argument why he thinks we're stupid, AND he does all that from a computer in Huntsville, AL.

What must I do to be saved?

Mar 05, 2015
You can't change peoples minds
by: Tori

Hi, I am not gay but Transgendered. I loved what you wrote. I have a friend who told me this not long ago about people who bash or hate gay, lesbians, bi, and trans people.

See this remote control Tori. It says DishNetwork on it right. You can read can't you. I agreed that it did. But you can stay there and argue until you are blue in the face with someone who feels it says DirectTV instead. Even if you Spell it out for them, D I S H N E T W O R K.

It doesn't matter. They will believe whatever it is they want to believe. Don't waste your breath. They are the only one that can change their point of view. Thank you for sharing once again. Tori :-)

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