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Why do homosexuals believe that homosexuality is not a sin?

by Justin Bruce
(Jackson, MS, United States)

Homosexuals believe homosexuality is not a sin because there is nothing sinful about people's sexual orientation per se. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are sexual orientations, not sins or sinful conditions.

All homosexuals and all heterosexuals are sinners from birth because we all are born with a sin nature, Romans 3:23, 5:12.

Some of us are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ), Romans 5:9, Revelation 12:11 and some folks are still lost and unsaved because they have not received "the gift of God which is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord," Romans 6:23.

I must answer your question with another question.

When did you make a decision to be heterosexual instead of homosexual?

If you never made a decision to be heterosexual instead of homosexual, if you never chose heterosexuality for youself, then why do you believe that we made a decision to be homosexual instead of heterosexual?

No Bible verse alleged to condemn homosexuality is addressing the issue of homosexuality when read in context.

It will be helpful to click on any button on the NavBar under What The Bible Says and read the information with an open Bible and a prayerful heart. The Bible is only understandable when read in context, guided by the Holy Spirit, 2 Corinthians 2:14, 2 Timothy 2:15.

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May 21, 2009

ridculious
by: Anonymous

What about 2 corithians?? Where it says homosexuality is wrong along with beastiality... your trying to change the bible. God gave us all decisions and homosexuality is a decision

Jun 18, 2009

It may help you to read this
by: Rick Brentlinger

If your mind is open to Biblical truth, it will help you to read these pages.

What does arsenokoites mean in 1 Corinthians 6:9?

What does malakoi mean in 1 Corinthians 6:9?

Have you taken The Good Person Test?

God bless you as you read and believe His infallible word, in context, as God intended.

Nov 30, 2009

opinion
by: Anonymous

Personally i think that if people want to be homosexual LET THEM its a personal decision so shut up

Mar 02, 2010

It is what it is
by: Eyes Wide Open

arsenokoitia may not be definitively defined as meaning male on male sex, but it does mean anal sex, and I don't know any other type of sex that can be committed between two males except oral sex. So if the word means anal sex, then the Bible IS saying that is an abomination. That doesn't mean God doesn't love the men; we are ALL sinners; we just each pick a different sin. But once you RECOGNIZE your sin, the Bible gives you clear instruction to run from it. I'm not a Bible scholar, but I have studied enough to come to a clear conclusion that God did not create Adam and Andy, He created Adam and Eve, to go out and procreate. I don't know many male couples or female couples who could procreate without artificial means, which is NOT how God intended. So you can play with words and meanings any way you want to try and legitimize your sin, but the bottom line is that if homosexuality was the intended way ALL animals would be that way, at least partially, and there would be a way to continue the species with homosexuality. But it doesn't and it isn't and therefore, whether you choose to remain in the homosexual lifestyle or flee from it, God still loves you and wants you to have a personal relationship with Him. If two men can have a satisfying love relationship, there is no reason why that same man can not develope a special and satisfying relationship with a woman.

Apr 12, 2010

CRAZZYYY
by: Anonymous

God destroyed 2 cities, Sodom and Gamorrah because of homosexuality!!!!!!!!!!! Don't sit here and make a fool out of my God!!!!!!

Jun 23, 2010

IT WAS ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE!
by: Anonymous

With all the respect to you all living kind and knowing that this is coming from the heart of a sinner just like you all!

I don't think that homosexuals or lesbians are made, but rather born.It is hard for me to explain but I will give you an example, I have a nephew that ever seance he was a baby and could walk we saw he was really feminine and in fact he is now 18 and gay.

On the other hand we have those that "yea right! become gay," now that I would consider a sin." You see people do not choose to be born gay it is in them. But those that become gay for many circumstances and don't know how to deal, reach for help through prayer or other methods become trapt and another cycle of chain generation began.

For instance my sister, was raped for great part of her life no one knew apparently, became pregnant at a young age. Six years later pregnant again. Two years after that she is a lesbian. You see there is so much behind them that you can't imagine how hard it is for them when all those emotions of hate need of love understanding and many other feelings crush them and they some times don't realize or just decided to block them which is even worst.

I don't talk just from the mouth but from the heart when I, myself was molested by many members of my family and some how God gave me the strength to keep my self up.

Now is my job as God's child to break my daughters from this chain of sin that my ancestors passed on to us through generations and start a generation of trust, faith and love in God. To know that loving others and respecting others is what would help you reach perfection to God's eyes!

"RESPECT AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER"

Aug 28, 2010

False Teaching
by: Anonymous

leviticus 18:22 says, Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

This is God's Word people, you can't read only the verses you like and skip this one. Think about it.

Aug 28, 2010

Your reading comprehension skills are sadly lacking
by: Rick Brentlinger

Thanks for reminding us of Leviticus 18:22. As far as your accusation that we only read verses we like and skip the one you cited, you're way off base.

We are familiar with the cultural, doctrinal, historical and religious context of Leviticus 18:22, as apparently, you are not.

For your edification, I encourage you to read and study instead of simply reading a verse and assuming that the first thought that pops into your mind about it is correct.

Here's a great starting point.

Leviticus 18:22 and shrine prostitutes.

Sep 14, 2010

What to do?
by: Anonymous

Personally, i dont think that homosexuality is good and pure, i fully believe that a relationship should be between a man and a woman. but, though God specifically says this isnt a good thing, He does give us the right to choose what we will do, right or wrong, and we will have consequences to those choices. on dealing with mariage, its a particullarly difficult sbject. God's law says its between a man and a woman, our country's law is now dealing with this issue. The constitution grants us the freedoms of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, so long as it doesnt hurt another person. so, should the law of our country, which was based on God's moral law, defend marriage as between a man and a woman or, should it account for the freedom of pursuit of happiness, and the freedom God gives us, and allow people to make that choice?

Sep 17, 2010

I love homosexuals but...
by: Eric Turcott

I love homosexuals as I do all people. But I cannot agree with your belief that the sin you struggle with isn't wrong. You may say that you were born with these feelings and you are just acting on how you feel. But I was born with a sinful nature as well, I wanted to have sex with women to whom I'm not married to. Would you agree with me if I said that I should keep living in this sin because I feel that way? I totally agree with your view on salvation it is by God's Grace through faith in Jesus Christ but you are misleading when you isolate homosexuality as the only acceptable sin before God. I know there are many homosexuals out there that won't be delivered from there sin because you are making it seem acceptable to them and helping satan to have any victory in somebody's life is wrong. The fact is that marriage is only between a man and a woman. Any sex outside of marriage is completely forbidden in the Bible. So since two men or two women can never get married in God's Eye's then they can never lawfully have sex. Tell people the truth!

Sep 19, 2010

Why?
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 18:22 king james version: Thou shalt not lie with mankind,as with womankind:it is a abomination.
Now for some of yall may be confused by thinking god is saying don't be bi-sexual.
Here is the translation from the Bible of Basic English.
You may not have sex relations with men, as you do with women: it is a disgusting thing.

So That sums it up for yall well i hope it did because that was the god of abraham issac and jacob. The god So Called Christans Serve.
Homosexuality is abomintaion for him
He Made Man to be with woman
WoMan was MADE from MAN Gen 2:21-24
God Never intened for a man to have sex with a man. God Never intend us to have anal intocourse.
God Made a Penis FOR a VIRGINA! Not A anus!
Watch what websites tell U Because most of them are FALSE THEY DONT MATCH UP TO SCRIPTURE OR GIVE THE CORRECT TRANSLATION! BE AWARE !

Oct 03, 2010

You deceive yourself!
by: Anonymous

Your very 1st statement,"Homosexuals believe homosexuality is not a sin because there is nothing sinful about people's sexual orientation per se. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are sexual orientations, not sins or sinful conditions".
This is why we have I John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

THE BIBLE IS CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THIS ONE,BUT BECAUSE YOU LOVE YOUR SIN SO MUCH,YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO GIVE IT UP!HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN.YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU ARE A SINNER,NOT SOME OF YOUR SIN BUT ALL OF IT,JEREMIAH 17:9

The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure Who can understand it? THAN AND ONLY THAN CAN WE BE SAVED.

Oct 04, 2010

Fewer insulting comments, more facts please
by: RIck Brentlinger

It should be clear to everyone who reads the comments that the anti-gay crowd has no facts to support their position.

That's why they resort to insults and quoting verses out of context in their vain attempt to "prove" their hatred of gays is okay.

Its funny to read your hysterical comments so please keep them coming.

Dec 20, 2010

repetative sin
by: Anonymous

as christians wich i believe there are very few considering that christian means christ like and disciple means follower of christ. but never the less bein with one of the same kind is a sin therefore you cnnot commit a sin then ask to be forgiven then go commit that sin again cause you obviously didnt mean it therefor you are not forgiven and will never enter the kingdom of god cause the lord cannot look upon sin

Dec 21, 2010

You may be interested in the meaning of repentance
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dear repetative sin:

Your argument would carry more weight if you cited scriptures in context, which agree with your opinion.

You may be interested to discover what the word repentance means in the Bible.

Feb 03, 2011

Homosexuality is Sin
by: Stella

Dear Brother,

I have read your comments and arguments and I see a heart wanting to belong-and you do.However you need to stop the sin in order to multiply the grace. Feelings have never been and will never be used to gauge God's standards for living. As Christians we are called to a higher life, a life that must constantly seek His help for our weaknesses.Does an alcoholic ever stop wanting a drink?..No,but he realises that it's not God's best for him so he depends on grace for strength.Will you after submitting to yearnings for a homosexual fulfilment ever stop wanting it, likely no as well, but as with drugs and other character and spiritual weaknesses,you depend on grace to see you through.Homosexuality is far below God's best for you.Don't let the devil fool you.Sodomites refer to the citizens of Sodom and were regarded as "wicked" by God not because they were temple prostitutes but because they practised homosexuality.I pray that God who has brought you thus far will perfect all things that concern you until His day in Jesus' name.Amen

Feb 03, 2011

Blind ignorance is nothing to be proud of
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Stella-

It seems clear to me that, sadly, you have not read much of this website OR your reading comprehension is close to zero OR you have no interest in truth.

Your comment is what my Grandpa would call "blarney," deceptive and misleading words. So many christians believe exactly what you believe, human opinion instead of scripture rightly divided, 2 Timothy 2:15.

I hope you understand that if you are saved, you will stand one day before the judgment seat of Christ, Romans 14:10-12, to give account for your laziness and for your false teaching about your gay brothers and lesbian sisters, 1 Corinthians 3.

Feb 10, 2011

Truth is clear
by: Anonymous

As a True Disciple of Christ, It hurts to see so much confusion with something the bible has clearly established. In our own sin, we choose and pick what scriptures justify our sin 2 Tim 4:3 "For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear" I think what people forget is that regardles of who we are and what sin entangles us, we are all very unique children of God who he created. What is missing in the Christain approach is compassion in seeing how deep the sin is, in this case homosexuality. Its much deeper than something we chose, get to know them at the heart level and you will begin to understand the actual sin, homosexuality is just the outward expression of a deeper unmet need. The bible is very clear that its sin, imitate the heart of Jesus in how he loved everyone in a gentile way and restored them to the truth. Rom 12:1-2 1 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God?s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God?this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God?s will is?his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Feb 10, 2011

Faux caring, Faux spirituality from Truth is clear
by: Rick Brentlinger

As usual, absolutely NO verses which in context, prove your opinion that homosexuality is a sinful condition or that we are "deeply" in sin.

What a strange dilemma you face Anonymous. By refusing to read and study the Bible in context, you must keep repeating lies in your efforts to "love" us.

I am increasingly drawn to conclude that people like you are spiritually blind. You are not a "Berean" (Acts 17:11) in any sense of that word because you REFUSE to study the Bible in context. You love your opinion and doctrines of men instead of the Bible in context. And you don't have the guts to put your name to your confused meanderings.

Aren't you even a little ashamed of your laziness? Aren't you concerned about the judgment seat of Christ where your motives will be revealed? Isn't it about time you started living God's truth?

Feb 10, 2011

Do you agree that homosexuality is sin?
by: Anonymous

Do you agree that it is sin? If not what are you trying to get from these comments? Trying to figure out what ur saying? I personally overcame it, and I know the daily battle it takes. Just want to be unified?

Feb 10, 2011

No, I DO NOT agree that homosexuality is sin.
by: Rick Brentlinger

No, I do not agree that homosexuality is sin. Anonymous comments from folks who insist on expressing anti-gay opinions without a factual scriptural basis, are usually motivated by rancor, not reason.

When people attack gays as living in sin but do not have the courage to put their name to their comments and do not have enough knowledge to defend their comments, well, its just a bit off-putting.

This website explains page after page why the anti-gay position is culturally wrong, historically wrong, religiously wrong, scripturally wrong.

Is it too much to ask from Commenters like you that you stop being lazy and read a couple of pages before you comment? If you sincerely want to figure out what I'm saying, just click on the NavBar and read. And when you Comment, deal with facts please.

Mar 03, 2011

In my opinion, homosexuality is a sin
by: Anonymous

The bible is very clear on homosexuality. It is a sin and in romans 1-27 and levitcus,and several other books say homosexuality is a sin and no homosexual will enter the kingdom of heaven. I dont say this to be hatful, I say this cause this is gods word and his word lasts forever and is true. He doesnt say something in the bible to trick you like some of you read to deeply into scriptures when it is blac and white to justify your sin. You say well this was like this because of their culture...wrong...God says he the same today, yesterday, and forever...he is always the same. He doesnt say something is wrong and just change his mind because you think it is ok. You are beiing decieved by the great deciever. He will decieve even the elect if it were possible. If you are not saved the truth is not in you and you are spiritually discerned. If you are homosexual and think you can live like that and still be a christian you are a dead man walking. It will be better for a total unbeliever than it will be for you on the day of judgement because you portray your self as christ like and decieve many.

Mar 11, 2011

Loving this site
by: Sara

To "In my opinion, homosexuality is a sin"

The verses you have given have already been addressed on this site. Please take the time to look for the information, readdress the verses in your own bible again (not just NIV but KJV as well), and take a look at your personal opinions. You may be shocked if you open your own ears and stop being deceived. Mathew 13:14-15 warns against closing yourself off when the truth of God is being shown to you.

Also the idea that one can not "live in sin" and be a christian is crazy. Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" shows that even believers still cannot remain without sin and uphold God's righteousness, no one can. Every christian will struggle day in and day out with sin, homosexuality not being one of them.

The only thing which saves us from our sins is our faith in Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior, Ephesians 2:8. All Christians have sin and their "good deeds" are only done from our change in heart, repentance of our old self.

To Rick Brentlinger, Thank you for the time and energy you have put in to not only creating this site, putting together a promising book which I hope to read soon, but also for taking the time to address all the comments posted at the end of each section.

It really surprised me the amount of homophobic comments made and how hurtful they are. I expected this site to be surrounded by other LGBT believers and their struggles, not the anti-gay views we are constantly hounded by. It really helps that you address all of their claims and give so many links and resources to go to for answers. You have put forth so much hard work for LGBT believers.

Your words have really made a difference to me and your constant encouragement for believers to dig into The Word themselves is so important and needed for all believers. It truly makes a difference than just blindly listening to a pastor, group leader, family member, or friend.

I also greatly appreciate your constant use of bible verses in your explanations. It not only puts more truth to your words while allowing readers to challenge what you are saying and forcing them to put your thoughts to the test by actively searching through the bible themselves. You aren't just pushing an agenda but encouraging spiritual growth. I can't say thank you enough for being such a great inspiration and source of guidance!

Mar 11, 2011

Your thoughtful comments are much appreciated!
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Sara-

Thanks for your kind and thoughtful comments. Each of us is responsible to study and learn the Bible for ourselves. To that end, here are some helpful self-study resources.

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Mar 30, 2011

Jesus said your sin is forgiven. Go and sin no more.
by: Daniel

I am like most on this forum which is to say I rely on God's grace and forgiveness not merely on a daily basis but on an ongoing basis. We can all disagree with what the Bible says and means and twist scripture to fit our side of the argument but I submit that we step back even from scripture a moment and merely look at design and purpose of all things created by God. I for one have never seen anything once fully understood that exists that doesn,t serve a vital purpose in life no matter how small and insignificant it is.

With that in mind I can say with some confidence of 50 years on this earth that only man can take what God made in perfection and distort and pervert it's intended uses and functions and purposeful uses and reason it was created in the first place.

Every person will stand before the judgment seat of God today, tomorrow, or whenever our time is called and none of us know the hour or even the day that will happen. The closer we can be to our Lord and Saviour without sin in our lives can only be a benefit to us. I for one will lay prostrate in his glory and tell him I'm not worthy and beg for his forgiveness now and forever. Please remember that what seems right by man's standards are usually wrong by God's.

If your life is not furthering the Kingdom of Heaven a change may be in order. Just remember God created everything for a purpose and if what we are doing is contradictory to the purpose it was created for you will miss out on God's perfect plan for your life.

It may not be you that God is planning on using but possibly our children that will fulfill His plan. Whatever our sins are God is faithful to forgive as long as we are faithful to repent. Any area of your life that seems to big to change just remember God's own words.

"Many things are impossible to man but all things are possible for God." My love and prayers go out to all who struggle. Please remember God says if one turns to sin and away from Him long enough He will give them over to a reprobate mind. Love and God's grace to all.

Mar 30, 2011

False hope of change is still FALSE hope
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Daniel-

Thanks for stopping by. You seem to be saying that God didn't create anyone homosexual and also that homosexuals can change their orientation.

I hope you'll take time to read about the false hope offered by Exodus International, the leading ex-gay ministry.

Holding out false hope of orientation change, while it might seem kindly intentioned to you, in reality, is most unkind. It is simply using God's grace to prop up your mistaken opinion. In the Bible, no one is told that God will change their sexual orientation.

May 19, 2011

Lies and traditions of men
by: Anonymous

All I can say to folks posting comments on this forum: Matthew 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

The traditions of men make void the word of God! No one knows or twists scripture better than satan! The lies in today's world are countless but eventually will be accounted for! Not everyone has eyes to see or ears to hear!

2 Thessalonians 3:6 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly (insubordinate, unruly), and not after the tradition which he received of us."

I will close my commentary with this and will not respond again! We are ALL sinners, however there is a difference between sinning with repentance and habitual sinning without repentance!

We as mankind all have thoughts and urges. It's what we choose, by the grace of God, to do with those urges that bring us to or separate us from our Heavenly Father!

May 19, 2011

Thanks for your support
by: Rick Brentlinger

Thanks Anonymous for your timely warning not to follow the traditions of men. You are spot on! So many of the lies being spread about our gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender brothers and sisters are from the devil.

He delights in using professing Christians to do his dirty work. Thanks for pointing out that we should be aware of that so we are not fooled.

When folks who call themselves Christians constantly and unrepentantly lie about the GLBT community, you and the Bible are right - we should separate from them!

People who are genuinely saved by the blood of the Lamb, Romans 5:9, Revelation 12:11, do not behave in that dishonest way.

May 27, 2011

a beacon of hope for the GLBT
by: Daniel D.

Hi, I've been reading this website, and a couple of others like this, and I just want to say you are great at giving explanations in pointing out that Homosexuality is not a sin. All the sites I've seen that condemn it, tend to say the "clobber verse", as they are called, and give no vivid explanation on why these verses say it's a sin. Just "because..." is like all I see.

You're a saint, but the Pope ain't here and I ain't an Arch Bishop, lol, but you get the idea :) God bless you, kind sir.

Daniel D.

May 29, 2011

Whatever I Feel?
by: Anonymous

When did you make a decision to be heterosexual instead of homosexual?

I never chose to be lazy, selfish or impatient. Are you going to tell me that's okay to act on that impulse as well? Since when is being a Christian mean that whatever I feel is okay to do?

You seriously have a warped view of Christianity.

Jun 25, 2011

It is a sin
by: Anonymous

Is this rick guy gay? Is he trying very hard justifying his lifestyle - won't work for god - try justifying it to god rick , not us!!!!!!

Thing is the bible is very clear on this. However straight people outside of marriage, bisexuals and adulterers are not excluded.

People may be born gay - thing is not to act upon it. Don't give in. I don't know if god made people gay or bi. But do know sex within marriage is the only thing that isn't sinful about sex.

Sex itself has been hijacked by Satan - that's my opinion. But look at the harm sex causes

Also homosexuality within gay marriage is still sinful as man and perhaps Satan concocted gay marriage - not god.

Jun 27, 2011

HI Rick, Consider This...
by: Jayson Dominguez

I'll have to split this comment up into two posts:

I came across this commentary thread today and have an interest in this subject and felt that possibly I could add something to the discussion. I believe there are three main issues that are being discussed here and hopefully clarification of the main issue may lead to a clearer understanding of the other two.

First off Rick, let me say that I have browsed the materials on your website and found them to be very interesting. I must admit though that I believe the interpretation of the word ?Arsenokoitai? that you have provided is somewhat ?off?, and thereby the first issue which, is the root of all others causes the continual breakdown. Quite often we find whatever we are searching for, therefore the myriad of learned individuals you have supporting the entomology of the word is laudable, however again if I want to find someone who will claim that a penguin can fly I?m sure I could. We find what we are searching for?

1 Corinthinas 6:9 is likely the first or earliest translation in Greek literature of the word arsenokoitai, and it has been taken as a reference to those who practice homosexuality. Paul created this new word by combining the two terms found in the Greek version of Lev 18:23 (LXX 18:22) and 20:13: arsen = ?male,? and koite = ?bed,? which translate the Hebrew for ?lying with a male? (mishkav zakur; The New Testament and Homosexuality: Contextual Background for Contemporary Debate [Fortress, 1983] 106-8). With the likelihood that these Levitical prohibitions are echoed in 1 Cor 6:9, the NRSV (New Revised Standard Version) translation is justified in translating the term as a reference to homoerotic intercourse. This is the closest and most accurate translation of the term.

The late, gay scholar J. Boswell (Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality [University of Chicago, 1980] 335-53), concluded that arsenokoitai refers to male prostitutes without specifying the gender of their partners. A point that you have made in your website Rick, however you neglect to consider some of the major critiscims of this point. David F. Wright, a critic and contemporary of Boswell, in ?Vigiliae Christianae? points out that the most telling argument is that Boswell seriously underestimates the use of arsenokoitai in early Christian writers, and he is especially negligent in his highly selective and inaccurate use of the early, Greek-speaking bishop John Chrysostom. Wright points out how the very texts from Chrysostom cited by Boswell, when viewed in light of their surrounding texts, both undermine Boswell ?s interpretation and support the traditional view that arsenokoitai refers to homosexuality. Wrights views on the subject have been heavily supported while the majority of contemporary scholars have rejected Boswell?s views.

Jun 27, 2011

HI Rick, Consider This... Part 2
by: Jayson Dominguez

Part 2:

We also must not forget the writer and the audience to whom he was writing. Paul, the author of the letters to the church at Corinth, stands in line with a long ethical tradition of Judaism that condemned all homosexual practice, therefore whether he was referring to sexual orientation or sexual acts is semantics and immaterial. The context of the verse appears to indicate reference to acts, but orientation would have been just as condemned and therefore identifiable as a sin. We could conclude that Paul may have only been referring to Pederasty, which was the homosexual relations in Rome between a male master and young male slaves, however Romans 1:26 rejects this interpretation far before we get to Corinthians. That being the case, it is more accurate to conclude that Paul?s reference in this verse is to condemnation of homosexual behavior or orientation and not that of male prostitution.

With that as a backdrop, we can then understand the second issue more clearly, which is whether homosexuality (the act, or orientation) is sin. And clearly from the discussion above we can surmise that they in fact would be considered sinful behavior.

The third and final issue is whether it is a continuing trespass, i.e. to mean whether a person who continues in a homosexual act or lifestyle can claim to genuine follower of Christ. I do not have the authority to judge anyone?s relationship with Christ. I can say though that this issue turns on your interpretation of Repentance, and repenting for sinful behavior. The Greek word Metanoia, is where the word repent or repentance is derived from which means to change one?s mind, or to turn away and change. Repentance therefore is a changing, when there is true repentance this means a person changes and turns away from the behavior that they once did. Recall John 8:11, Jesus said ??go and sin no more? (you will forgive the partial quote). If it were unnecessary to change the previous behavior he could have easily said, your sins are forgiven continue to do what you were doing before. But instead he requires that for true repentance there be a change in behavior.

If we are to agree on the true meaning of the word ?arsenokoitai ? and through that understanding that homosexuality is a sin, then to continue in that act, is a continuous trespass where the person has not turned away from the sin and therefore there is no true repentance. The same as it would be for a liar who continues to lie, or a thief who continues to steal, or an adulterer, etc. There is no sin that is more egregious than any other, the difference is whether one is making inroads to come out of their sin, or whether they are remaining in their sin and justifying it through scriptural interpretation.

Jun 27, 2011

HI Rick, Consider This... Part 3
by: Jayson Dominguez

Last but not least:

There is no debate as to whether murder is a sin, or lying, or adultery, etc. We even accept fornication as a sin, but justify it by saying ?if we truly love someone, or if we will marry them then it?s ok.? But we still recognize it as a sin, it has simply become an ?acceptable sin? (pardon the oxymoron). The world would like Homosexuality to become an acceptable sin and then hopefully a way of life. I would ask that you not hate or condemn the messenger, for I am not casting judgment but I am required to tell you the truth that is written in the Infallible Word of God ? continuing in an unacceptable sinful path, be it lying, cheating, stealing, murder, or homosexuality is displeasing to God. If you have a problem with that then your issue is with the Word of God, but not with the men and women who merely bring the Word to you. You cannot call it spewing hate, if all they are saying is what the Word of God itself says.

Have a great day Rick

Jayson Dominguez

Jun 27, 2011

You've only rehashed a theory at odds with the facts
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Jayson- I mention Scroggs in my book but find his conclusions less than satisfying. Boswell presents some interesting points but my conclusions are not based on Boswell or Scroggs.

Your belief that Paul stands in line with a long ethical tradition of Judaism that condemned all homosexual practice is at variance with the truth. It makes a nice sound bite but it ignores the romantic way the Holy Spirit presents the Jonathan and David story, among many other things. And Jewish views on lesbians are quite different than your views.

Jewish views on lesbians.

As far as homosexual acts and orientation being a sin, that is not something scripture says. It is your conclusion, interpretation, opinion without scriptural support when we read scripture in context.

What you have overlooked on my website is that I list the first 56 uses of arsenokoitai, covering the first 600 years of church history. Arsenokoitai is never used in any of those uses with our modern meaning of homosexual.

If it meant homosexuality, someone would have used it with that meaning. They did not. I hope you will continue to read and study, obeying 2 Timothy 2:15.

Jan 02, 2012

Coming to terms with being gay
by: Just call me brother

Hi, I will remain anonymous but I would just like to thank my brother in Christ for explaining so much I didn't understand before. I'm 16 and just recently am I coming to terms with my sexuality. It is NOT a choice, that said for those people who think so.

I live in a small town and I know one other gay christian like me. Some things still don't make sense to me and I pray God will have mercy on me as a grow in my understanding in who he has made me to be. It's kind of weird, surreal, can't really describe how I feel.

These past couple of weeks I have been realizing the hypocrisy in the way I've been living. I condemned homosexual relationships while having these attractions to the same sex that I couldn't just explain away. I have been looking at pornography and condemning people at the same time. Pornography is still an issue for me but God's grace is carrying me through.

I thank God for your website. It must have been God's plan that I stumbled across this thing because if not who knows what I'd be doing right now. I continue every time I can to come here, but my family doesn't know I'm gay, only my one gay Christian friend I talked about earlier.

So in conclusion I just ask for prayer, please please pray for me. Pray that God will help me make the right decisions with this new-found knowledge set before me, pray that God will help me lead my life anew knowing I don't have to be a hypocrite anymore, that God will show me when the right time to come out to my family is and for the right person to come into my life for a relationship.

Praise be to the awesome God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who was, and is, and is to come! Thank you so much for everything! You have been a blessing to me in my time of confusion! May God bless this ministry and website! God Bless, Your brother in Christ

Jan 10, 2012

Homosexuals can be saved!
by: Follower of God

For those of you who think that homosexuals cannot be saved, you are sadly mistaken, because he has given us written proof that ALL sinners, can be saved if you put your trust and faith in Jesus Christ.

Someone posts this verse to prove that God does not like homosexuals: Lev 20:13 - If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Another anonymous person went to state a verse which proves that homosexuals cannot inherit the kingdom of God, 1 Cor 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Ask yourself these questions:

1) If we are all sinners, can we all be forgiven for our sins?

2) Am I wrong to pass judgement on the eternal wellbeing / condemn homosexuals to hell?

3) Am I putting a limit on God's love?

While using good points, they forgot one man...Jesus Christ!

Ans. to respective questions- Matthew 12:31 - Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

Romans 2:1 - Therfore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

John 3:16-17 - For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1) Jesus Christ would forgive all sins! But what some of you all are implying, not all sins since homosexuals will go to hell. If so, Jesus' sacrificial death would be insufficient! It would make no sense, and serve no purpose!!

2) Read The Bible closely. Some of you mention 1 Cor 6:9 to support your claim. But did you read 1 Cor 6:11?

1 Cor 6:11 - And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

This verse suggests that they were like that before, but changed! They were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord! They believed that Jesus could save them, and he did! He forgave homosexuals then, why can't he now? Sinners listed under 1 Corinthians will go to hell IF THEY DO NOT REPENT!

To get forgiveness for your sins, confess with thy tongue and thy heart that he is our Lord and Saviour and ask for your forgiveness! You won't get it if you don't ask for it! God loves us all! If God didn't love us, he wouldn't have sent his Son to die for us; we would have born and died in sin. I hope and pray that readers will be positively affected by my post.

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