Is there any evidence of an actual gay marriage in the bible?

by Honest Question
(USA)




To answer your question, we first have to describe marriage in the Bible. For the first 2600 years of the Old Testament, from Adam to Moses, a marriage was not authorized by civil government or by the Jewish religion. The law of Moses contains some guidance for marriage beginning around 1450 BC. The first marriage in the Bible is the marriage of Adam and Eve, Genesis 2:18-24.

Modern marriages do NOT resemble
Adam and Eve's marriage

  1. Adam and Eve were naked before, during and after their marriage "ceremony," Genesis 2:24, 3:7.

  2. Adam and Eve did not have an ordained minister officiate at their ceremony.

  3. Adam and Eve did not have any guests, caterers, photographers or family members at their ceremony.

  4. Adam and Eve did not exchange rings.

  5. Adam and Eve did not recite vows to each other.

  6. Adam and Eve did not have a church wedding.

  7. Adam and Eve did not pray for God's blessing on their marriage.

  8. Adam and Eve did not have a wedding certificate from a city, county, state or federal office.

  9. Adam and Eve did not have a religious wedding certificate from a church or religious organization.

How do we know

these facts about Adam and Eve's marriage? The same way anti-gay Christians allege that they know there are no gay marriages in the Bible, because none of these items are explicitly mentioned in the Bible concerning the marriage of Adam and Eve.

Ancient marriage was based on the
partners committing to each other



Marriage in Bible times consisted of the partners leaving father and mother and committing to each other.

Marriage in Bible times consisted of the marriage being recognized by the families of the married couple.

Marriage in Bible times consisted of the marriage being recognized by the community in which the married couple lived.

Things hadn't changed much four thousand years later in the first century AD when Jesus walked the earth. In Palestine, a Jewish wedding usually involved the consent of the bride's family and the groom's family. Often there were no papers attesting to the marriage.

The wedding ceremony in New Testament times was a family and community affair, involving feasting and a party, sometimes lasting a week, if the parents were wealthy enough to afford that, John 2:1-11.

The point is that your question can only be accurately answered in the context of ancient cultures and customs, many of which are obsolete today.

Is there any evidence of an actual
gay marriage in the bible?


IF by marriage, you mean a union sanctioned in writing by civil and/or religious authorities, then the answer is NO, there probably were no gay marriages in the Bible.

Of course, if we're only accepting as valid, marriages which were sanctioned in writing by religious or civil authorities who lived at the same time as the Biblical married couple, then MOST heterosexual marriages in the Bible are NOT marriages by that standard.

Did same sex couples in Bible times partner together as a committed couple in some way? I think the answer to that is Yes, although their partnership probably looked different and functioned differently than same sex partnerships today.

Since approximately 5% of the human population is same sex oriented, certainly for as long as there have been human beings, there have been partnered couples in one form or another.

Did those partnered couples enjoy the same kind of partnership we think of today, jointly owning a house and possibly a business, living together as a vital part of the community, with their partnership recognized by the community? Probably not in most cases.

Is there any evidence of an actual
gay marriage in the bible?


IF by marriage, you are NOT referring to a union recognized in writing (with a wedding certificate) by civil authorities and religious authorities but instead, you're referring to the kinds of marriages affirmed in the Bible, like Adam and Eve, Isaac and Rebekah, David and Jonathan or the Centurion and his beloved partner then YES, there probably are several gay marriages in the Bible.

Gay marriages in the Bible include the marriage partnership of Jonathan and David, which was recognized as a sexual partnership by King Saul himself, 1 Samuel 18:21, 20:30, and the marriage partnership of the centurion and his beloved servant, Matthew 8:5-10 and Luke 7:1-10.

Here is a helpful Link which explores Gay Couples in the Bible. The other Links on the page take you to additional information about the committed partnership of David and Jonathan.

Here is another helpful Link which explores the possible marriage of the centurion and his beloved servant. The other Links on the page take you to additional information.

Concluding Thoughts


We do not refuse to use air conditioning or drive cars or ride in airplanes or get married in church simply because those things are not mentioned in the Bible.

If we apply the "its gotta be in the Bible test" to gay marriage but not to heterosexual marriage and air conditioning and transportation, that is a misguided and unfair approach.

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Sep 22, 2009
 Possibly
by: Anonymous

Didn't the Romans have same sex marriages back in Jesus's day? It's not out of the realm of possibility that some character or another in the New Testament was married to another man.

Also, the vows exchanged between Ruth and Naomi (two women) in the Book of Ruth sound suspiciously like modern day wedding vows.
May 29, 2011
 Absurd assumptions
by: history teacher

The assumptions that the relationships between Ruth and Naomi, and the centurion and his servant are homosexual, are historically absurd. Why do you try to justify what cannot be justified? Why must you make yourself look foolish, when no serious scholar would accept a single one of your assumptions about these two relationships.

Write back if you wish to pursue scholarship instead of nonsense.
Jun 26, 2011
 the sinful act
by: Anonymous

It seems obvious that God's word would not mention state sanctioned (or civil) process in biblical "marriage". Defining the term in that manner presumes God's perfect plan for marriage includes a government's approval. It certainly does not.

Perhaps it is important also to acknowledge that partnerships (be they man and man or man and woman) don't require sex. Men and women can have intimate relationships without involving any form of sex - mother/son, brother/sister, couples ice skaters, etc. So, the fact that Jonathan and David had a deep, intimate friendship doesn't mean sex was a part of this union. To be clear, the Bible explicitly forbids homosexual SEX. The act of burning desires for one another is sin in God's eyes.

So, we might assume, that if two men or two women wish to live platonically together as roommates under one roof, then no sin is committed. Perhaps this is what you mean by biblical evidence of gay marriage?
Jun 26, 2011
 It seems obvious you cannot deal with the Bible in context
by: Rick Brentlinger

No kiddo, not even close. Thanks for demonstrating yet again that many Christians like you cannot or will not deal with what the Bible says in context.

I find it alarming that you folks keep insisting the Bible explicitly forbids homosexual sex yet you never quote any verses which in context, say that.

And I note that you do not interact with anything I have written. No problem. It becomes clearer every day. Your anti-gay beliefs are nothing more than private interpretation.

On the off-chance you become interested in what the Bible says in context, please click any NavBar Button under, What The Bible Says.

And oh yes, you may be interested in reading my answer to this question:

Did Jesus define marriage as only between a man and a woman?
Jun 26, 2011
 trying to understand
by: Rob (NY)

I apologize if my inquiry offended you. That was not and is not my intent below. When you lump me in as a hater of any kind, I recoil.

Nevertheless, you asked for biblical scripture, and in context. I assume you mean from the anthropological perspective of the time. From an epistomilogical view, all words are nested in context-from the reader's perspective, correct? Given I type these words from the perspective of a 21st century 40yr old man (not a "kiddo"), even a well researched understanding of biblical history, culture and context is colored by my current status. Thus, context is, to a degree, relative, never absolute.

So, I'll quote the scripture, you reply with your understanding of the context and meaning. Then, I'll give mine. This could be fun.

Leviticus 18:22
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."

Your thoughts?
Jun 26, 2011
 Let's deal with facts in context
by: Rick Brentlinger

Rob- First, I did not lump you in with the haters. Styling yourself the martyr as if I accused you of hating gays is unhelpful dissembling.

Second, when we speak of context, we mean: (1) cultural, (2) doctrinal, (3) historical, (4) legal, (5) linguistic, (6) literary, (7) religious, just for starters.

Third, you did not quote any scripture which, in context, addresses modern gay relationships.

Fourth, because I do not have time to answer the same tired old anti-gay arguments over and over, I built this website. Here is where I begin answering Leviticus 18:22.
Jun 27, 2011
 relevant for all
by: Rob (NY)

Thank you Richard for the context and thorough research your website offers. I would agree that taken out of the context **of other scripture** God's word seems strange and, at times, irrelevant to our modern lives. However, when a verse is read in the context of the entire Bible, or book, or even the complete chapter, it stands on its own merit.

For example, for most unfamiliar with Jesus's teaching, reading John 6:53 sounds absurd:

"unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."

However, when Jesus explicitly reveals the wine and bread as symbols of 1) his life poured out for all, covering all sin for all time and 2) God's word as the bread of life, the seemingly absurd now makes sense - in the context of other scripture. No further research, added context or explanation is necessary for the common reader.

For those seeking answers to God's will in our lives, read it straight, read it often, and meditate on His word. Decide for yourself what God is revealing to you. You don't need ANYthing else.

2 Tim 3:16
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (17) so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

It does NOT say, "All scripture and supplementary research to discern context is..."

God's word IS the bread of life. You really don't need condiments.
Jun 27, 2011
 Context is important if we want to understand scripture
by: Rick Brentlinger

Okay but I've never said that "God's word seems strange, and at times, irrelevant to our modern lives," so I'm not sure with whom you profess to be agreeing.

The difference between John 6 and Leviticus 18:22 is that John 6 is obviously figurative language.

Lev 18:22 on the other hand, is given in a specific cultural, doctrinal, historical, legal, linguistic, literary and religious context to real Jews living under the law of Moses as they prepared to enter the promised land.

It was given in a specific time period, approximately 3450 years ago and it does not use figurative language. It is specifically aimed at prohibiting the Jews, God's chosen people, from engaging in cultic sexual behavior in worship of false gods, Lev 18:3.

You're right that 2 Timothy 3:16-17 is important yet you make a false distinction when you allege that we need not consider context.

A verse without a context is a pretext for teaching something that is not true.
Jun 27, 2011
 Getting somewhere
by: Anonymous

I think we are coming to consensus - context IS everything. But, context as revealed in the scriptures is all we need.

I don't know you, but I presume that the sum of our differences would amount to a grain of sand. If our commonalities were mapped as a Venn diagram, only a "sliver moon" would appear on the edge. And, that's okay. In fact, that's probably God's design.

My heart here is not to condemn. I cannot see the speck in anyone else's eye for the plank in mine. I have, do, and will continue to sin despite my painful daily efforts to obey God's will. I myself struggle with powerful, recurring transsexual desires and have every since I was a young boy. But, but, I have found that a much richer, deeper and blessed life emerges daily as I study God's word. Nothing more, nothing less is necessary. His word was relevant 4,000 years ago and will continue 4,000 years from now.

I truly thank you for your website and opportunity to debate. You are loved by God and nothing anyone says can change that. God bless Rick.
Jun 27, 2011
 These links may be a blessing to you
by: Rick Brentlinger

You're right about the Bible. We are one of the few gay Christian ministries which takes a strong and unequivocal stand on the inerrant infallible word of God.

What we believe about the Bible

The word of God

Here are some helpful Links you may not have seen yet. It sounds like you've had a difficult struggle. I hope these links encourage you, my friend.

Transgender Issues

Transvestism

Transsexualism

Idolatry in the Bible is linked with sexual sins
Oct 10, 2011
 Some agreement and some questions
by: Scott(NY)

I do agree that if the Leviticus arguments are not valid most committed same sex relationships in the bible could be gay or strait. However to be a marriage you must assume that they are having sex. This may be valid for the centurion in the new testament, as it was common in Greece and Rome at that time, but not for every relationship. We must however remember that the lack of a statement is not an enforcement to it.

So what does Leviticus say? I have read your page on it and I am somewhat confused with the way you go about defining the word abomination - towebah. It looks as if you are saying that if a word describes 2 things in a list then it describes the whole list.

You make a good point insinuating that the idolatry angle could be the reason why God forbad a gay relationship not necessarily a lesbian one. I would however caution you to read 1 Samuel 13 about following the commands of God. He may forbid it to keep us holy (set apart); i.e., yes this means the idolatrous people may have spoiled it for the rest of us.

In reading your webpages on the new and old testament you have got me thinking that it may be anal sex that god forbids more then the gay life because of its link to idolatry.

Just one more note polygamy (one husband many wives) is not the same as a gay marriage. This is one of the apparent arguments of one of the other pages.

Please understand I am not trying to attack anyone but this is how I see the arguments and their consequences at this point. I do welcome people to unemotionally pick apart anything I have written so we can see the truth more clearly, i.e., unemotional open debate. - Scott
Mar 24, 2012
 Jesus never said it...
by: Anonymous

I read the Bible and I know that the New Testament is what God sent His Son to teach us. Therefore what was done and said in the Old Testament is not relevant except to let us know that Jesus was coming.

Now, there is never a place in the New Testament that Jesus condemns homosexuality... What Jesus says most often is spoken about love being the most important.

The other thing I've read in the New Testament is about turning others away from God. This is what's going on today. I have a son who came "out" when he was 30 yrs old; stunned me and his father. We never saw it coming. The only thing we knew is he had never had a relationship with a woman but he was always pursuing his doctorate. He's a PhD in chemistry today but then he met a guy, told us he was a friend.

They went to games and concerts together, etc. Then one day my son told this "guy" that he had feelings for him, risking a friendship and found out his friend was gay also. They've been a couple for yrs. Neither of them has ever been promiscuous but they knew they were gay.

My son said he knew it when he went through puberty. Now, they live together, they are so in love and I love knowing my son has finally found someone he can spend his life with. But, he has stepped away from God. He says he doesn't want to belong to any group of people who want to hurt him.

There you go - religion! I know that those that do this will be judged harshly. God is not in favor of people turning others away from Him.
Aug 12, 2012
 perversed disgusting dirty nauseous satanic fellows
by: DISASTROUS

Blinded vy ur perversion, u illude ur selves & confuse divine, natural things with that which is unnatural & satanic.
Dogs & pigs are natural and yet seen as unclear,
How much more filthy are u living deads who‘re condemned to eternity sorry i forgot that even lucifer ur master knows the word & use it to suit his pityful ways o life Homosexuality is satanic and incurable. bad luck gays.

Rick's comment: If you're struggling with gay feelings, please take time to read this website with an objective mind. Employ logic and critical thinking because doing so will help you find God's truth on the gay issue. Thanks for stopping by.
Sep 11, 2012
 Your thoughts are without weight
by: Tommy Woodruff

You have beat around the bush big time, yet never got to the trunk. You claim 5% of the population is gay yet have not research showing that--because research says around 2%. In fact, you cited next to nothing in your writing. It's clear you support same sex marriage. It's also clear you do not understand what a best friend is in the Bible (David and Jonathan). You have used isogesis instead of exegesis, reading into the text that which you want to find instead of getting from the text that which it proclaims. There were NO gay marriages in the Bible, and the Word supports that. Marriage today simply has traditions, not sins, since Adam and Eve's marriage. You say there was no ordained minister for Adam and Eve? The institution of marriage was an ordination of God! And it is God you will have to answer to for writing such a foolish and obvious paper, one in which your support for gay marriage is printed ALL OVER the page in a beating around the bush sort of way. God have mercy on you because true Christians KNOW that Christianity is contrary to homosexuality (1 John 1:9; Romans 1; Sodom and Gomorrah; etc. You conveniently left the obvious out. God did not.

Rick's comment: Hi Tommy - thanks for stopping by. As usual, you have not presented any answers and you have avoiding engaging the points I made. I probably shouldn't but I keep hoping you anti-gay folks will start studying and at least try to present an in context argument to support your views. Alas, I am always disappointed because none of you has a cogent argument for your views.
Sep 11, 2012
 Seriously
by: Jeff

If you choose to support gay marriage it is your right. However to even attempt to use the Bible to do so is ridiculous as ate all pro gay arguments. I don't understand why you think you need to validate what you think is right by using a book which you obviously don't believe in. Homosexuality is expressly forbidden in the Bible and to see it any other way is foolish. I find it funny that folks like you would try and fool people into believing what they read isn't really what they just read. If you are looking to validate gay marriage you need to find a book that doesn't expressly forbid it, here's your sign!!

Rick's comment: Seriously Jeff, it would help if you study the Bible before opining that I am wrong. Your assignment for this week is to memorize 2 Timothy 2:15 and then apply it every time to attempt to interpret scripture. Nuff said.
Sep 11, 2012
 You have been blinded by the enemy
by: Robin Woodruff

Adam and Eve were married by God, the one with all authority, who ORDAINED marriage between a MAN and a WOMAN.
OH MY COW! David and Jonathon were not gay partners. They were very close friends. Jonathon had so much respect for God, he was obedient in believeing and accepting God's choice for David to be king and not himself. In I Samuel Saul was speaking about David marrying his daughters and speaking of Jonathon's mother.
No where in Matthew or Luke does it say the centurion was gay. Not only did he have respect for his servant, so did the Jewish elders. The centurion also was HUMBLE before Jesus, which I urge you to be in repentance due to taking His Word so out of context.

Rick's comment: Wow Robin, is opinion the only thing that matters in your circle of friends? You do not engage anything I've written except to disagree.

Like Jeff, your assignment, should you decide to accept it, is to memorize 2 Timothy 2:15 and then apply it every time you try to interpret scripture. Rightly dividing the word of truth means interpreting scripture in its proper context.

Please have 2 Timothy 2:15 memorized by Sunday and ALWAYS factor in context when deciding what scripture means. Many thanks.
Mar 01, 2013
 Interesting research
by: Anonymous

I'm not convinced by any means, but I will say you raise a few interesting points.

Even if you are right, though - do you really hold David up to be a paragon of virtue? Saying homosexuality is a-okay because David might have engaged in this - hmm, well, murder must not be as bad as I always thought!

I'm teasing slightly here - obviously God condemned the murder and adultery. But my point is, a lot of holy people in the Bible are pretty messed up morally and God did not call each of them out. That doesn't make their behavior acceptable or admirable.

I wish the best for you and praise God we are *all* under his grace. :)

Rick's comment: Thanks for your thoughtful and kind remarks. I would not describe King David as a paragon of virtue but scripture does describe him as a man after God's own heart, 1 Samuel 13:14, Acts 13:22. David is also a type of Christ, not based on his moral perfection but based on his good heart toward God and his willingness to repent of his sins.

I view King David as an example of God's grace in salvation. No matter how much wickedness we have done, there is grace and forgiveness if we come to God with a truly repentant heart.
Mar 27, 2013
 Thank you
by: Anonymous

This is a very good article! I must point out that most you find about the subject include modern science as part if their argument saying that "gay is against the bible". Our version is nothing but an interpretation!
Mar 28, 2013
 Judgement belongs to God
by: Anonymous

The bottom line is that whether same sex marriage is made legal, it doesn't mean it is right in the eyes of God. We in America are blessed with our rights and our free will to do as we please. We should not judge anyone but we should pray for one another. The will of God will be done and judgment belongs to him. As parents we have the responsibility to teach our children to do what is right in the eyes of God.

Rick's comment: Just like polygamy in the Old Testament, same sex marriage is a cultural thing. Just like polygamy, same sex marriage is perfectly fine with God.

Are you aware that Abraham and Jacob and Moses and many other saints of God were polygamists? Did you know that God used polygamists like Moses and David and Solomon to write a large part of the Bible?

The point is not to advocate for polygamy today. The point is that God never outlawed polygamy except for a general warning to the Jewish kings of Israel not to marry too many wives, Deuteronomy 17:16 and a specific warning to Gentile bishops and deacons to only have one wife, 1 Tim 3:2, 12, Titus 1:6.

In plainer words, God accepted the polygamy facet of ancient culture as He found it, even to the point of making provision in the law of Moses for inheritance rights in the case of polygamous marriages, Deuteronomy 21:15-17. God accepts the same sex marriage facet of modern culture too.
May 30, 2013
 gay marriage
by: Anonymous

nothing bad about gay marriage. if u choose not to be gay well it is ur choice do not despise, only love is important.

Rick's comment: Being gay is not a choice any more than being hetero is a choice.
Jun 24, 2013
 Gay marriage in the Bible- NO!
by: Mir

You said there is no mention of cars and planes etc.in the Bible either so that does not mean there were no gay marriage. What you fail to note is that there was sin and sinful acts in the Bible and consequences for disobeying God like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Destroyed because of vile immoralities including homosexuals and homosexual acts.

Rick's comment: Your ability to read with comprehension is seriously in question. You need to read more about Sodom.

And you also failed to mention that Homosexuals and homosexual acts are an abomination in Gods eyes as God states that in several places in the Bible, so I would take it that there were NO gay marriages performed in the Bible or ordained by God.

Rick's comment: No dear, you are confusing temple prostitutes with gays. More reading and study please.

Even Jesus confirms this:Jesus was God incarnate: JESUS SAID “I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE” The holy trinity is 3 in one. All of the same belief.
And He answered and said to them,

“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” - Matt. 19:4.

Rick's comment: Read Matt 19:12 - Jesus excludes born eunuchs from his marriage paradigm.

And here is your confirmation of how God feels about this.

Romans 1:21-28

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

God is against gay marriages and homosexuality. In Gods eyes it is a sin and will be judged and condemned. So Repent and turn from the homosexual sins and God will forgive you and restore you. Seek his truth and don't let the devil deceive you and blind you to Gods truth. Be well.

Rick's comment: Before you attempt to teach us the Bible, it wouldn't hurt to study the Bible yourself so you'll know what you're talking about. I'm just sayin...
Jun 25, 2013
 Homosexuality?
by: Anonymous

it is surprising how people say homosexuality is forbidden in the bible, it is a sin yes but these people engage in premarital sex, practice infidelity do all sorts of other sins yet they so condemn homosexuality like they are saints.if one is against it fine, let those who practice it do.

Rick's comment: For more on that, see our page: Isn't it all about sex for you gays and lesbians?
Jun 18, 2014
 just saying
by: ok

Ok so put the lev chapters aside for a second.you do realize that a whole city got destroyed called Sodom? I find it funny that you want to be apart of a religion that clearly does not want you. Maybe you should make up your own religion instead of trying to convert another into accepting you. In a gay relationship you can not be fruitful and multiply. You end your family line. Being gay is your gene pool suicide. It makes me sad but you should not have a say because the children are the future and you will not have a direct representative. I like the people that say being gay is not about the sex. I love my friends I love my parents the only this different with my gf is that we have sex. As a parent I want grand kids that share my genes so that I can be set in knowing that I live on. Adoption is fine if you can not have kids but taking in someone's mistake only passes on their own genes. Not only that but they will wonder about themselves and you won't have the answers because your not their real parents. Might as well get a dog or build a robot. Also I will say that the very thought of you having sex with another person of the same sex sickens me to the core. I don't care who you are once I know what your about I just can not respect your existence. Who cares what people do behind closed doors? I do.

Rick's comment: Jesus died for gays and lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people just as much as He died for you. What must I do to be saved?
Jun 20, 2014
 God's Love
by: Mom

Yes God loves us ALL, just not our sin, and showed that by sending His Son to die for ours sins. When we twist the Word of God around to fit our life style, in my opinion, is like being at the crucifixion of Christ and spitting on Him yelling crucify Him and saying all the pain and anguish You went through for me was for NOTHING! Read Revelation 22 and find out what happens to them who do that. God loves all sinners and I thank Him for that. I pray that the Truth be revealed to you and all that believe what you have done here before it's too late. Just as I pray for friends of mine and even family who have chosen this lifestyle before it's too late for them. I love you all and pray in Jesus' name that His will will become your will for your life. God Bless!

Rick's comment: Hi Mom - I think I understand your desire to view gays as having chosen a lifestyle instead of having an innate sexual orientation in the same way that you were born with an innate sexual orientation. Yet even the anti-gay and ex-gay crowd had to admit, after almost 40 years, that orientation change is not something God does for individuals no matter how committed to change they are, no matter how earnest their desire to change, no matter how conservative their religious beliefs, no matter how real their salvation.

Exodus International closed their doors in 2013 and shut down their ex-gay scam. My impression is that you have a gay son or lesbian daughter and you're trying to obey men like James Dobson and John MacArthur and practice tough love in an attempt to get them to change.

Wouldn't it be better to learn all you can about what the Bible says in context? My website is designed to help you do that. You may not agree with my all of my conclusions but knowing the truth will help to bring peace to your heart. God bless as you walk the path of His purpose for your life.
Nov 25, 2014
 very confused!!!!!!
by: secret

i'm 16 year old (lesbian) i'm in love with my gf for 3 years and i dont want to leave her! and now i'm afraid to not to go in heaven because i'm a lesbian! i love jesus christ, but i have something that i can't get about him. if jesus loves us, then why can't he accept his homosexual children in heaven? i'm very very confuse!! help! i need an honest answer! please dont get mad at me, im just asking!

Rick's comment: Hi confused - Jesus loves you and wants you and your girlfriend to be in heaven. That's why Jesus made a way for you to get saved and go to heaven.

What must I do to be saved?

Once you have trusted Jesus to save you, there are links at the bottom of that page, which give you lots more helpful info to help you grow in your Christian faith.
Feb 03, 2015
 gay marriages
by: Rita Kiehl

GOD made man to be with woman!!!! Also GOD didn't make a person gay, the world did!!!

Rick's comment: Hi Rita - thanks for letting us know.

What must I do to be saved?
Mar 07, 2015
 interesting
by: skip

Good thoughts and fertile soil for thinking. No one should be surprised or offended that there are examples of same sex relationships in the Bible. Anyone who reads the Bible is aware that the failings of even the heroes is the main point with one and only one exception. The issue turns on the question of free will.

Have they chosen to fail or have they been deceived? We are all born hopelessly lost separated from the creator not by what we have done or will do but by our very nature. As the fall does not lie in or free will decision neither does our rescue. That rescue is not to escape but to live in this world loving one another until hope is fulfilled and heaven and earth are fully joined together. He is going to return and He is paying attention to how we treat the lambs.

Rick's comment: What must I do to be saved?
Jun 27, 2015
 Do I really need to have a comment title?
by: Fenikkusu

heterosexual married Catholic woman here!
Congrats on the Supreme Court decision first off!
Communication is the key to any rewarding relationship. Hard work and patience come in second! May anyone who reads this always seek those qualities in their relationships... all of their relationships.
I'm sorry to you for those people that call themselves "Christians" and have missed the point.
Jesus really made it just about as dreadfully simple as he possibly could without blatantly calling us all morons.
He said: in John 13:34-35
34"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35"By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Anyone who isn't following that command that supersedes all others cannot be considered a Christian (follower of Christ).
I'm afraid that really is all there is to it. So I for one am happy that you are being given dignity and respect as is your due and as is what Jesus asked of us to do!
I am glad to see this site. I am glad that all the nasty people out there did not cause you to lose your faith and it certainly could've. I believe that Atheists exist because of bible thumping "Christians".
Jesus didn't say anything against homosexuals.
Jesus healed one of whatever sickness left him home in bed. I find it reprehensible that the Greek was not translated properly here, because frankly though man has let me down innumerable times, God has NEVER let me down!
Jesus would never hate a homosexual. I always knew it. I always had faith in that and Jesus' love for every person. I just needed to find the proof. The proof rests in a word "Pais" which is a younger teen lover. He would be a devoted lover, perhaps for the homophobic they would convince themselves that he would be a servant as this teen would be doting, the older man in the relationship would often be a mentor and would often teach the pais subjects like reading and writing and most certainly philosophy. The pais would be a "kept woman" sorry hope that doesn't offend in any way... I mean all his expenses would be taken care of etc.
But there is something more in that passage, that people will miss because people will not be fluent with the culture of the times. Even a kind centurion soldier would never place such value on a lowly servant that could be replaced to go to Jesus and beg a healing. Roman soldiers DON'T in fact beg! ...lol... or didn't ... forgot what century I'm in here. Beyond that the centurion describes himself as being not the kindest man, a man who orders people about and doesn't really care. So his Pais has significant personal value to him, uncommon personal value. I believe he was a lover in a long term relationship. This wasn't even just a relationship frankly. The centurion is in love and from what is written it has to be a long term relationship. Centurions were hardened war heroes (read criminals)This Centurion just exposed his EVERY WEAKNESS to the world. Think about that and digest it! There are many nuances in this. Think about the reasons that they would include the centurion telling Jesus that he orders people about. What is the significance? It is clear to me that the writer or translator wanted to make sure we didn't miss the extreme care of the centurion that flies in the face of his job and normal cruelty. Yeah some monk who translated this from Greek was smart. he was likely forbidden to write the relationship by the church, but he left us definitive clues didn't he?
Jesus doesn't turn to him and yell at him that he is an abomination! He instead deals with him how? Right.. like any other person who crosses his path and he praises the centurion openly to his disciples and the people who would have overheard it. he praises him for his faith!
I am NOT Jesus, but allow me to praise you for not losing your faith or putting it aside in a world that has treated you so harshly! If we could only realize God's great love for each and every one of us, all problems would pass away! Again I as a Catholic heterosexual woman celebrate with you the dignity that you have won and has been greatly overdue!
Nov 22, 2015
 homolover
by: melanie

David and Jonathan were not homosexual but homolovers. There a differences between love and sex google it. They are in fact couples without having sex. The bible is against two same sex couple having sex not making love. Remember there's a differences between love and sex.

Rick's comment: Hi Melanie - thanks for letting us know.

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Dec 29, 2015
 A question
by: Phil

We all have our own views on the Leviticus passages and I wonder Rick: What is your take on the following questions.

1. How do you know that the passage is about the Caananite pagan rituals as opposed to Dec between two consenting people?

Rick's comment: Hi Phil - Great questions. I know that by the biblical cultural doctrinal historical and religious context, which I discuss at great length on my shrine prostitutes page and its many text links.

2. Would you condone any of the other sexual practices listed either side of the condemnation of homosexual practice and if not on what basis do you treat them differently?

Rick's comment: God, in earlier times, condoned some of the sexual practices listed in Leviticus 18, which He eventually forbids. For example, a man marrying his sister, like Abraham and Sarah - Genesis 20:2, 5, 12, 16 with Lev 18:9; a man marrying his aunt, Lev 18:12 with Exodus 6:20; Jacob and his sister wives, Lev 18:18 with Genesis 29:18, 28, Deuteronomy 21:15.

If you are referring to incest and beastiality, I point out on my beastiality page, that God and Moses are analogizing shrine prostitution with incest and beastiality - they are not addressing innate gays and lesbians.

Since the issue in 1400 BC Leviticus was not gays or lesbians, there is no reason to believe that 3400 years after Leviticus was written, its meaning has suddenly morphed from heterosexuals using same sex rituals to worship false gods to being a negative blast at gays and lesbians.
Nov 25, 2017
 Are none of you reading the texts??
by: Elishevah

How can you say that this passage in 1 Samuel 18 is about a homosexual relationship?? If you read the passage, it is clearly talking about King Saul offering his first daughter to David in marriage, then instead giving David his second daughter. And the second passage in 1 Samuel 20:30, if you're saying this has anything to do with 'gay marriage', it would certainly seem to be that King Saul did not approve in the least bit. He certainly didn't accept and recognize it. Please go back and read the texts and see what they actually say. We must learn to accept Scripture even if it says something contrary to what we might want personally.

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