I'm a gay Christian and I have some questions.

by Jay Yong
(Malaysia)


Rick Brentlinger Answers -


Jay writes: "I used to read all these anti-gay Bible verses and feel guilty and shameful. However, thanks to your website, I now understand the subject on homosexuality through the Bible in a different perspective."


Rick Answers: I'm glad that GayChristian101.com has been helpful in your spiritual journey.

Jay writes: "I personally am not really yet convinced with your arguments especially on Leviticus and Romans, but at least I now see that those verses do not apply to our today's world homosexuality context."


Rick Answers: Its not necessary for us to agree on every issue to still be friends and brothers in Christ. The key to understanding Leviticus and Romans is to understand the historical and religious context they addressed.

If we try to make sense of Leviticus and Romans without factoring in the real historical situation they addressed, we are flying in the dark, with no hope of understanding these important Bible passages.

Jay writes: "I'm gay, still in the closet. Grew up from an Anglican background, now attending a Methodist Church. And this is what I was taught,

I understand laws from the Old Testament do not apply in today's world eg: circumcision, eating unclean food, laws on women etc. And that ever since the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Paul emphasizes that we Christians are, from now on, justified by faith, no longer by the laws."


Rick Answers: The first thing to understand is your own personal salvation. Only saved people can really understand and make sense of the scriptures.

"But the natural man (the unsaved man) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." -1 Corinthians 2:14


These Links are a good place to start, to know for sure that you are saved and that your salvation is forever.

  1. Understand the reality of hell.

  2. Understand Who Jesus is.

  3. Understand what it means to repent.

  4. Understand how to be saved.

  5. Understand that your salvation is forever.

  6. Understand why Christians are not under the Law.


Jay writes: "And this is where I have a confusion. Should we then believe that as long as we have faith, we believe in Jesus Christ being our personal savior, we will therefore receive salvation, even though we continue sinning?"


Rick Answers: Jesus died on the Cross, shedding His precious blood to pay the penalty for all our sins. The payment Jesus made satisfied God and God raised Jesus from the dead, proving that He accepted Jesus' payment for our sins.

When we repent of our sins and trust Jesus as our Savior, God applies Jesus' payment and forgives our sins. God also freely imputes the sinless perfect righteousness of Christ to us so that its as if we lived the perfect, sinless life that Jesus lived.

We have the righteousness of Christ and God views us as being perfect and sinless, in Christ.

That doesn't mean we no longer sin. Instead it means that:

"if any man sin, we have an advocate (Jesus is our lawyer who represents us before God) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

And he is the propitiation
(the required sacrifice which God has accepted) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world (in the sense that the death of Jesus reconciled every individual in the world to Himself - if they want to be saved, they must be reconciled to God by trusting Jesus as their sacrifice for sin, according to 1 Cor 5:19-20)." -1 John 2:1-2


Jay writes: "Can we say that we no longer need to obey God's words, so long as we just have faith?"


Rick Answers: No, God wants us to be obedient but from the resurrection of Christ on, God does not require us to keep the Old Testament Law.

Instead, in the New Testament, being obedient means we "walk in the Spirit," Galatians 5:16, living according to "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus."

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." -Romans 8:2


Jay writes: "1 Corinthians 7:19b - Keeping God's commands is what counts. I understand certain laws were abolished or modified due to time/cultural differences. But who draws the line?!"


Actually, it seems to me that Paul is making the opposite argument in 1 Cor 7:19. He is saying that our relationship to God is not about legalism and keeping God's commands from the Old Testament.

He is saying that if you're an uncircumcised Gentile believer, you don't need to get circumcised and if you're a circumcised Jewish believer, you don't need to regret getting circumcised.

God expects us to "walk in love" and to walk in the Spirit."

The bottom line is that Jesus already perfectly kept God's Law in our place. He already did for us what we cannot do for ourselves. When we trust Jesus Christ, God imputes (freely gives us) the righteousness of Christ. Our obedience now is because we love God, not because we're trying to earn salvation by keeping the Law.

Jay writes: "And unless the Bible stated clearly that gay is acceptable, can we make or accept what are only mere assumptions?!"


Rick Answers: I see your point but if we are going to only do what the Bible clearly states is 100% acceptable, then shouldn't we apply that logic in every area of our lives?

The Bible says nothing about air conditioning, ice cream, computers, websites, automobiles, motorcycles, electricity, prescription medicine and many other things which are important in modern life.

Yet we do not refuse to enjoy these blessings simply because they are not mentioned or affirmed in scripture.

In the heterosexual realm, scripture does not affirm or even mention exchanging wedding rings, having a wedding in a church building, having a denominationally affiliated pastor officiate the wedding.

That doesn't mean those things are wrong. It just means that modern culture approaches weddings differently than ancient Biblical cultures.

Heterosexual Christians do not apply "its gotta be in the Bible" logic to their marriages. Why should gay and lesbian Christians allow them to impose on us a logic which they refuse to honor in their own lives?

Jay writes: "I hope to one day live a free life being myself, being gay. I'm also a devoted Christian who loves God's word."


Rick Answers: You sound like a wonderful guy, with Godly morals and a sincere desire to honor God with your life. I think you will make some blessed Christian guy very happy when God brings you two together.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." -John 8:32

"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -John 8:36


Jay writes: "And, being a logical person, I'm afraid the only way I'll be convinced that gay is acceptable in God's eye, is if the Bible has concrete evidence of it. Appreciate your feedback on my problem. Thanks."


Rick Answers: The Bible speaks to many issues but not to every issue Christians face. Instead of writing down a long list of do's and don'ts, God gave us the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide us into truth. We read the Bible and look for principles which apply to the questions we face.

"Howbeit when he the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth..." -John 16:13


God expects us to use our common sense, our understanding of scriptural principles, the leading God gives the body of Christ and the personal leading of the Holy Spirit in our lives, to make informed judgments about issues we face.

The scriptural example of this in practice is Acts 15, where the Jerusalem church struggled with the issue of Jewish legalism. Some born again Jews insisted that Gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved.

The apostles and elders in Jerusalem studied, prayed, discussed and received God's guidance that Gentiles were NOT required to keep Jewish law to be saved or to be in right relationship with God.

To maintain peace in the churches and to demonstrate loving regard for the easily offended sensibilities of those Jewish Christians, the apostles and elders asked Gentile Christians in that particular situation, to observe four necessary things, (not necessary for salvation but necessary to keep the peace in congregations which had a mixture of Jewish Christians and Gentile converts to Christ), Acts 15:2829; 21:25 .

  1. Abstain from meats offered to idols

  2. Abstain from eating blood, Leviticus 17:10-14

  3. Abstain from things strangled (because blood stayed in the body and polluted it)

  4. Abstain from fornication (porneia - probably sex related to idol worship in this context, like shrine prostitution)


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Mar 07, 2013
Question about Gay relationships
by: Holly

I am in a lesbian relationship. I am trying to understand how this could be acceptable to God, even though that is NOT what I had been taught all my life. I just don't see a justification for having sex outside of marriage since we (homosexuals) can't get married. At least where I live. So if sex outside the marriage is a sin and I can't get married, what do I do?! Thanks!

Rick's comment: Good question Holly. Marriage in the Bible is not the civil or religious ceremony. Instead, marriage in the Bible is when flesh joins flesh, Genesis 2:24, 1 Corinthians 6:16-18. So, don't allow the anti-gay crowd to use word games to confuse the issue.

The views of many Christians about gay issues and gay marriage are nothing more than their opinion based on ripping verses out of context. This website has lots of information and answers to questions people ask. Here are a few links to additional information.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/did-jesus-define-marriage-as-only-between-a-man-and-a-woman.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/since-gay-couples-cannot-legally-marry-is-sex-in-a-committed-relationship-sin.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/what-is-the-purpose-of-committed-gay-relationships.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/does-romans-126-condemn-lesbians.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/is-gay-marriage-scriptural.html

Jun 18, 2013
I'm lost
by: Anonymous

Hi Rick, I'm not gay though and I don't see why it is wrong but I was a bit confused. I am a strong Christian and so is my mom, but I asked her this question and she told me that although it is up to God's judgement, she is aware that being gay is a sin, which means that if you repent, and remain gay, you're still sinning. She prays a lot and reads the bible all the time and is taking notes and whenever I ask her she says, she has gay friends and that's fine because it's not up to her to judge whether they go to hell or heaven it's God's but she's telling me that being gay is a sin. I hope you can clear this up.

By the way I hope this isn't a anti-gay rant because I do have gay friends and they are still wonderful people.

Rick's comment: I don't know what your mother's reasoning is but I suspect that she has never studied the verses which she uses to say that being gay is a sin.

None of the verses people use to say that being gay is a sin actually say that, when read in context. This website is all about glorifying Jesus and teaching people what the Bible says, in context.

I encourage you to make sure you are saved. Then read through our Gay Christian FAQ for more in depth answers to your question. Many thanks for stopping by.

Sep 22, 2013
What does God say?
by: Todd

Does the Bible define marriage as a man to a women?

Rick's comment: Did Jesus define marriage as only between a man and a woman?

Is fornication defined by God as sex outside of marriage? I see a lot of gays on here believe is ok to be attracted to the same sex just no intercourse is allowed?

Rick's comment: How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?

What did Paul mean when he used the Greek word arsenokoitai?

Jul 29, 2014
Is it still a sin though?
by: Brittany

Thank you for this wonderful website - it has helped me through the struggle between being in love with my girlfriend and wondering if I am not loving God as I should because he does not want me living in this life style. (I'm feeling more like he does!)

My questions pertains to Leviticus. I understand now that it's cultural and based on idol worship, but I still have a question after everything I read on your site.

How do we know that it just wasn't about idol worship/prostitution?

Yes, we can see in context that it was about men receiving in anal sex in homage to fertility Gods, but could it be that God also didn't like it because it was not natural to his design? Or perhaps that he doesn't like it? (not a reference to Romans).

I guess when I read all of 18 he lists sexual sins and we can conclude that it was based on idol worship, but we still know that it is wrong to have sex with an animal, and scientifically it is wrong for incest because it leads to disorders. I know you listed blessed incest marriages on the site, despite what Leviticus says but I can't help but wonder if God didn't want people "lay with male as female" for other purposes.

How can I know for sure that he wasn't MAYBE intending it for both idol and sexual immorality purposes, as perhaps we can argue for people with animal sex (I know you have listed this as well, and its ridiculous how people compare the two, but lets play devil advocate).

I feel like my soul will be more at ease if I have some solid confirmation that it wasn't referring to both, because then I can at least know that Paul didn't use the word arsenkoities to refer to homosexuality (even though the history of the word leans to not).

Thanks for you time!

Rick's comment: Hi Brittany - thanks for commenting. No, it is not a sin to be gay or lesbian and it is not a sin to be in a committed lesbian or gay relationship.

I've put a lot of information on this website to help you know for sure what God meant in the clobber passages. I've quoted many non-gay and some anti-gay conservative Christian scholars. I encourage you to read my Gay Christian FAQ plus the pages on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says. Those pages contain the information you requested.


Aug 22, 2014
Lesbian Relationship
by: Miss B

I've been in love with my girlfriend since the 7th grade. I love her with all my heart and she means the world to me. but we wanted to know, will we go to hell for being together / being gay. We both want to go to heaven but we don't know if we will go to heaven for being gay. so will we go to hell? and can you explain to us about our relationship and being gay wanting to go to heaven if that makes sense.

Rick's comment: Hi girls - I give full answers and lots of information on my Gay Christian FAQ page.

It is absolutely vital that both of you make sure you are saved. After you have done that, then please read and study the links at the bottom of the saved page. May God bless you both - thanks for visiting our website.

Nov 28, 2014
Still not sure
by: LostandScared

I like this guy, very much actually, and it was only fairly recently till i started having these feelings. I have been straight my entire life, and feel i still am, with this guy as my only exception. i have been told by many that if ur gay, you wont go to heavan, until u "go straight". But now that im having gay thoughts, this worries me, please help.

Rick's comment: Hi LostandScared - The Lord Jesus Christ made a way for you to be saved and know it for sure. Go to: What must I do to be saved?

Anyone can get saved because Jesus saves anyone who calls on Him, gay or straight. After you get saved, please read and study the links at the bottom of the get saved page. Once you've trusted Jesus as your Savior from sin and hell and the wrath of God, please let me know. Then share the good news with your friends.

Jan 07, 2015
I'd like to know
by: Anonymous

When I was younger I had a bad past and as I got older I've experimented. Now idk if I'm gay or bi cause I like guys and I believe that god will make me go to Hell even though I had his blessing before these feelings intercourse is ok with guys but girls it kinda scares me.

Rick's comment: Hi Anonymous - The Lord Jesus Christ made a way for you to be saved and know it for sure. Go to: What must I do to be saved?

Anyone can get saved because Jesus saves everyone who calls on Him, gay or straight or bi. After you get saved, please read and study the links at the bottom of the saved page. Once you've repented of your sins and trusted Jesus Christ to save you from sin and hell and the wrath of God, please let me know.

Then: 1. read your Bible daily, especially Psalms and Proverbs and the New Testament, 2. find a Bible teaching church where you can fellowship with other Christians and grow in community with other believers in Jesus Christ AND 3. share the good news of Jesus with your friends and everyone you meet. Jesus DOES love you and God DOES have a plan for your life.

May 30, 2015
Is the Law Bad?
by: Irwin

The law is good because if it wasn't for the law I would not know what to covet. So I know this is displeasing to God by the law. And we know that the OT is written in old style Hebrew and it's translation is exchanged as interfaith scripture. I then go to Leviticus that show in the Old Covenant sins that call for capital punishment. The ones that cannot be covered by animal sacrifice. There are many and they are all listed. I wanted to see what God taught about homosexuality. And I found it to be clear. Leviticus 20:12-14 - English Standard Version (ESV)

12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire.

In 1 Corinthians, a man slept with his step mother. This person was a Christian. But notice that the list of sins in Leviticus agreed with the way this Christian was to be treated. He was handed over to Satan for the destruction of his flesh. Then he was sorrowful in 2 Corinthians and repented. So since the same sin was depravity in the OT was shown to be thought of the same in the new, I cannot say who is going to heaven and who is not. But I know how to treat a person who calls himself a christian and commits these types of sins are to be banished from the congregation and treated worse than an unbeliever who commits this same sin. So I agree with the law and say that it is good.

Rick's comment: Hi Irwin - I don't quite follow your question or argument. I never make the argument that the law is bad and neither does the Bible so the answer to your question is, No, the law is not bad.

But how the law applies is very different, Old Testament vs. New Testament, before the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ vs. AFTER the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.

You cited Lev 20:12-14 and 1 Cor 5, apparently to prove that Christians are under the law in the NT. What you seem to overlook is that the guy in the New Testament was not subject to the death penalty and he was NOT put to death for his sin. Instead, he was restored when he repented. In the OT, the death penalty applied. In the NT, the death penalty did not apply.

I encourage you to read the article again and click on the text links. Born again Christians in the dispensation of the grace of God are not under the Law.

Jul 07, 2015
Confused
by: Anonym

I personally don't like being a gay Christian. It has caused me a lot of trouble, stress, and negativity to my life because of it. But if I have faith in God, would there be a possibility to changing my sexuality? I'm 20, and have never felt comfortable in being what I am. I just want to love a woman, and have my own kids, and a family. But I will never sleep with a man, I wouldn't feel right for me.

Rick's comment: Hi Anonym - Changing one's sexual orientation is not something that God does for you and is not something one can achieve through therapy. Exodus International used to advertise orientation change but in 2013, they shut down their 38 year old ministry, admitting that it didn't work for their clients.

Is it possible to change from homosexual to heterosexual?

Jul 19, 2015
Sent to hell?
by: Corrine

in 1 Corinthians it says that any man (or woman) that sleeps with another man (or woman) will be sent to hell. Like it actually says that. I'm scared to death that if I express who I am in gonna go to hell.

Rick's comment: Hi Corrine - I'm glad I can tell you that God loves you and has made a way for you not to go to hell. 1 Corinthians 6:9 doesn't say that gays and lesbians go to hell. If you get saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, He gives you eternal life and you will never perish, will never go to hell. Instead, you will go to heaven. These links explain in more detail.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Arsenokoites.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/what-words-could-paul-have-used-if-he-intended-to-condemn-homosexuality.html

Nov 24, 2015
My heart is torn.
by: C

Hello, So I have been doing a lot of research lately on this topic. A lot of things have been happening in my life lately where God has been calling me out of my comfort zone and strengthening me.

I recently caught a bad cold and ended up home for 3 days no work, then my preschool age daughter c9vers home with Pink eye and shares the wealth. Now I really cannot go to work. In the mean time I caught wind of an episode or two of this series called "The Fosters."

Intruiged, I ended up watching all 3 seasons. My heart was wrenching. I found myself cringing at the sexual heterosexual relations, but cheering on and relating to lena and steph, and Connor and jude. My heart began feeling their pain of persecution.

I've been a reborn saved Christian for 4 years. At fits I believed what I was told, gay is a sinful deceptive choice people make. Later I became in different not really caring about the "gay community" here lately I'm starting to wonder if all those opinions were a facade in order to lie to myself, maybe I feel for women more than I do men. I've ignored it because I know society says it's wrong.

As I am now 22 going on 23 in a month I have come to a strange and startling realization I may be gay. I have had 2 serious relationships with men, 9n of them fathering my daughter. We are not together because I was deceived by him.

Not that God has not blessed my daughter regardless and loves the both of us greatly, providing all our needs and more. But I have been single since then (3 years) and honestly not desiring men and or sexual relations at all.

When the thought of heterosexual intercourse crosses my mind, I am turned off. I began thinking more on how long could this have been happening in me without knowing and I think I began desiring love from girls in 5th grade. I find men very attractive but do not want to be in relation with them.

I to this day realize I flirt with women acting like I'm just a great friend when I'm realizing I am actually attracted to them and want them to find me cute also. This scares the mortal crap out of me. I love God, I love Jesus I have been seeking him even more lately trying to find truth on the matter. I am willing to give my life for his will. I am willing to stay single for ever if it means not sinning in a homo sexual relationship.

I met a female in my life who I have small interaction with and one day upon seeing her something became strikingly different in my perception of her, her voice sounded beautifully to my heart, her fierce boldness had my heart pounding, and why? It is beyond comprehension for me.

It was just a feeling that existed rampant and vibrantly right there in that very moment. I find myself to this very minute thinking of her, smiling at the thought of her receptiveness, and agonizing at the thought of her rejection. Why do I feel so passionately for a woman? It seems impossible to be truth, but I am terrified it may be true.

I have been praying that God would lead me to his will, His truth, and His healing.
Also asking him if he created me this way, maybe for the sake of showing the world His mercy through my very life.

Plus, scripture says the Psalmist David was gay for Jonathan in 1 and 2 Samuel. Also, alleged NT teaching where Jesus healed the man's "pais" which could mean gay significant other of a sickness, not their gayness, and then used their great faith as an example to all.

Thank you for taking time to read and/or respond.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart your soul your might, Love your neighbor as yourself. These are the two greatest commandments.

Rick's comment: Hello C - Thanks for sharing with us. I'm praying that the Lord will give you wisdom and insight and a heart for following Jesus as you walk the path of His purpose for your life.

Dec 13, 2015
can you tell me?
by: anonymous

my dad thinks its wrong and has never read into it and i want to show him this but he might say its not true and he'll send me to a boot camp if he does for it what should i do im only 13 please answer me.

Rick's comment: Hi Anonymous - If you believe you are gay, the first thing to do is, make sure you are saved by trusting Jesus as your Savior from sin and hell and the wrath of God.

The second thing to do is, learn all you can about what the Bible says by reading and studying my website. You need to learn God's truth before you can teach it to others.

Third, learn the ins and outs of Coming Out. There are good reasons and bad reasons for coming out. There is a right time and a wrong time for coming out. For you at 13, now is most likely not the right time to come out.

Fourth, as you grow spiritually by reading and studying the Bible AND living for Jesus in your daily life, you will discover the Fifth thing,

that being gay is not and should not be the focus of your life. You are first of all, a Christian (after you've trusted Jesus as your Savior). You are also a normal kid, someone's beloved son or daughter, someone's much loved grandkid.

You are a middle school student, an athlete, a scholar, a nice kid, a good kid, a kid who loves pizza and ice cream. Don't let being gay turn you into a weirdo. Make friends and be a faithful friend. Chase your dreams and never let anyone steal your dreams.

Train your talents. Learn how to fix your bike and how to fix a car. Learn how to support yourself by working, doing something you enjoy. That may be buying and fixing and reselling smart phones or computers or iPads.

Learn how to be a real disciple of Jesus in every area of your life. Learn how to be a witnessing Christian who is not ashamed to tell others about Jesus. Be one of the Christians who actually lives for Jesus instead of just talking about it.

Hope this is helpful. I'm praying that God will save you, show you His will and bless you abundantly.

May 22, 2016
Insanity are you
by: Koo

If you teach like this then you can also say sleeping or having sex with animals are legal . Be careful and tell these lgbt folks the truth . My sheep hears my voice ,obey my instructions and walk in righteousness .Adam and Eve not Steve .IF YOU TURN FROM YOUR WICKED WAYS THEN I THE LORD WILL ACCEPT YOU.PRODIGAL SONS AND DAUGHTERS COME HOME FOR YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS WAITING AND WATCHING AT THE WINDOW TO SEE IF YOU ARE COMING HOME.

Rick's comment: Hi Koo - Thanks for favoring us with your views.

May 31, 2016
God is Love
by: Someone

I'm a gay man and have no regrets about it. I've struggled with this question for years and after a long and hard study have concluded that God does not hate LGBT people. If God pours out his wrath on people as they would have you believe then everyone is doomed. Not so. God teaches LOVE. He never said only certain people.

Rick's comment: Hi Someone - God is love and He does not hate LGBT people. Yet God is also just - He does not simply ignore sin. Jesus came to earth to be our Substitute - to die on the cross, as us for us, suffering the wrath of God that we deserved and paying for our sins.

That Jesus suffered all God's wrath against our sins and that God raised Jesus from the dead indicates that God accepted the payment for sins that Jesus made for us.

Now, if we want to get saved, we must also accept the payment Jesus made for our sins. This is explained in more detail on our What must I do to be saved? page.

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