I cannot intelligently discuss the clobber passages but I disagree with you. Where am I going wrong?

by Rick Brentlinger
(Pace, FL, USA)

Asleep in the light<br>with apologies to Keith Green

Asleep in the light
with apologies to Keith Green



This strange email arrived on Sunday afternoon, April 8, 2012. Please pray that Matthew will begin to study the Bible for himself as he grows in the Lord.

First Name: Matthew
E-mail Address: in@time.com
Country: United States

"Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you, and those you are leading astray. If you wish to live a life that is un-biblical, fine. But please don't twist Scripture to meet your desired ends. You seem intelligent, so I can only assume you know full well what you are doing.

Why did you not mention the entire context of Paul's letter where he said, "It is better to marry, than to burn?" Or what about Jesus' statement that no effeminate (practicing homosexual) person will enter into the kingdom of Heaven?

I know you get a lot of these messages; most of them probably extremely vitriolic. But I truly feel bad for you. Please do not lead any more people astray, least of all yourself. The cost is too much."

Matthew didn't provide a real email address so because my answer to him bounced back as undeliverable, I'll post it here.

Hello Matthew-

Thanks for writing to me. Here is where you are going wrong. First, please notice this list of pages on my website where I quote 1 Cor 7:9, "it is better to marry than to burn." As you can see, I do mention and quote 1 Cor 7:9 five times on five different pages of my website.

Second, it strikes me as passing strange when a Christian who refuses to study the alleged anti-gay passages and is therefore unable to discuss them intelligently, writes to condemn me. If you refuse to study and acquaint yourself with the context, how will you ever convince anyone that your views have merit?

Third, how odd that someone who does not know me is willing to lie about my "lifestyle" as you did in another comment, and condemn me. I'm not sure if it's arrogance on your part or a hyper-judgmental attitude but I'm pretty certain it isn't the Holy Spirit prompting you.

Fourth, do you foresee a time in your life when you will obey 2 Tim 2:15 and "study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." KJV

"He that answereth a matter before he
heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him."

Proverbs 18:13, KJV

Fifth, while I appreciate that you took time to write, my prayer is that you will also care enough to study before you condemn people you've never met. I marvel that so many professing christians like you, who think they know the truth, have no qualms about writing to condemn me without ever performing due diligence via study. Reading a few verses in an English translation and looking up a few words in your Strong's concordance is not studying in depth.

Sixth, Jesus never said, "No practicing homosexual person will enter into the kingdom of heaven." The words you attribute to Jesus are found in 1 Cor 6:9. They were written by Paul and in case it interests you, Paul never used the word homosexual in 1 Cor 6:9. The Greek word Paul used was arsenokoitai and that word NEVER meant homosexual in its Biblical usage.

I explain the meaning of arsenokoitai at these links and I also list the first 56 usages of the arsenokoit stem during the first six hundred years of church history. Facts have always interested me and I hope they interest you. Will you take the time to read this information and begin the process of educating yourself?

What does arsenokoites mean?

Can you define arsenokoites?

How do you answer the verse that
says homosexuals will not go to heaven?


What words could Paul have used if
he intended to condemn homosexuality?


What did Paul mean when he
used the Greek word arsenokoitai?


Why and how was
the Bible mistranslated?


Does the Bible say homosexuals
will go to hell?


I hope this information is helpful to you Matthew. Your brother in Christ, Rick Brentlinger


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Apr 10, 2012
Putting the wrong words in Jesus' mouth
by: Kevin S.

When I saw Matthew's comment, I was not surprised nor were most of the gay Christians who saw it. We've grown accustomed to unsubstantiated anti-gay sentiment among those who call themselves evangelicals or fundamentalists.

What is really ironic and startling is, they feel no compulsion to check out the validity of their statements. Their opinion alone holds so much credibility that they no longer need the word of God, the Bible, to affirm their view point. They seem to think they are the final authority on God's heart, mind and will.

As if they are assistants to the Holy Spirit, they dispense their version of God's truth without His affirmation. Being an El Toro poo poo artist is the new form of christian theology. All you need is your own opinion.

One can imagine the graves of great Christians like Dwight Pentecost, Oswald J. Smith and John R. Rice resembling high speed rotisseries at such foolishness. Oh well, welcome to the new millennium and apostasy!

Mar 21, 2014
God's word is clear
by: Daniel Williams

As I said in a message through your contact us link....IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT WHOEVER... WHENEVER... WAS NOT REFERRING TO HOMOSEXUALS IN THE SPECIFIC PASSAGES YOU REFER TO. Why are you so hung up on that? GOD created man in his image (as I also said) and his image "IS NOT" that of one man lying with another regardless of how committed they are. No argument or passage of scripture you recall or reference will ever change that....ever! Just as no passage of scripture will change the fact that I was born (and still am) a sinner although the price for my sins has been paid.....and that is only because I have repented AND CHOSE TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO FOLLOW HIS WORD......NOT CHANGE IT!

Satan does his greatest work of deceiving when you think all is going well....and it may be, just like he wants. I'm at a loss for how much you have allowed Satan to distort the truth from your mind. I'm not a hater and I don't think I'm better than you but I am definitely glad I am not in your shoes come judgement day.

Your only making it worse by thinking that just because everything else in your life revolves around living a Godly life that your behavior is being overlooked. I am not a Baptist, or Catholic, or whatever by the way........I'M A BELIEVER.....that's my denomination so there is no influence on my way of thinking other than God's Holy Word in the scriptures. I am praying for you my brother in Christ......hard!

Rick's comment: Hi Daniel - Me thinks you get your exercise by jumping to conclusions AND assiduously avoiding Bible study. Did you bother to read the text linked pages in the article? Why do you assume you know what the Bible means when you refuse to study what it says in context?

We have a crop of young people these days who profess to be saved, who do not study the Bible yet who feel competent to correct those of us who do study. Are you aware that heresy - promoting false doctrine, about gays for example - is a sin of the flesh? Please read Galatians 5:20 in the old KJV for more info on that.

It is time to grow up and get a clue, then read memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15. Do.it.now.

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