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God saves gays but do you think He wants them to stay gay?

by Jeremy
(California)

Cybele the Roman fertility goddess

Rick Brentlinger Answers -

God delights in saving gays and everyone else who repents of sin and trusts Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

Nothing in the Bible indicates that God is in the business of changing people's sexual orientation.

So the answer to your question is, Yes, God wants gays to stay gay because that's the way He made them.

That doesn't mean God wants people to live sinful lives or promiscuous lives or selfish lives. Gays and lesbians who get saved are changed into the image of Christ, from glory to glory, as they walk with the Lord and obey Him day by day.

Jesus indicates that one's sexual orientation is fixed at birth and is not a matter of personal choice, Matthew 19:3-12.

Romans 1:26-27 deals with a particular historical situation in first century Rome. Cybele, the Protectress of Rome and the reigning fertility goddess of first century Rome, was worshiped by throngs of people in five worship sites across the Imperial city.

Paul specifically pointed out the sinfulness of women and men who rejected the true God to worship false gods like Cybele. Paul in no way intended his words to be misinterpreted to apply to lesbian couples or gay couples.

In my book, Gay Christian 101, I list 15 interpretations of these verses.

I provide scripturally and historically accurate insight into Romans 1 at these Links.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-And-Shrine-Prostitution.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Against-Nature.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1-And-Homosexuality.html

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Oct 12, 2009
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A leopard's spots...
by: Dorothy

Asking this question implies ignorance of the subject. It not only presumes something's "wrong" with being gay, but it implies it can and SHOULD be changed... as if a leopard can change his spots...

as if any straight person can change into being gay. We ALL are hard-wired to be a certain way... it's as simple as that, and our input was not solicited when the Creator made us.

Oct 15, 2009
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Jeremy may simply be seeking affirmation, not implying God's censure of gays
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dorothy, Jeremy asked an honest and valid question, in my opinion. There is so much condemnation preached about gays and lesbians, its natural to wonder if its okay to be a gay Christian and not buy into the Exodus International anti-gay rhetoric.

I don't know if Jeremy is gay or not but I think his question and my answer will be helpful to some folks who are questioning.

Thanks for joining in the conversation.

Dec 23, 2009
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Salvation has nothing to do with straright or gay
by: Robert

It is so funny the way gay and straight people try to defend there view on salvation. You see there is no difference in Gods eyes on straight or Gay or the degree of our sins we have committed.

The scripture says: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

You see Hitler himself which I believe to be a chief sinner could have been saved if he had believed on Christ. Judas who betrayed Christ could have been saved if he had believed or trusted in Jesus.

How sad to think that we in any way have something to do with our Salvation. This is the Devils tool. He gives people a heavenly way to go to hell. He lets people think that they in their own righteousness and self will can attain Heaven. Friends it is not possible.

It doesn't matter if you are a prostitute a murderer a drug addict or John Paul the II. Unless you realize that Jesus was God who came in Flesh and died for you personally for all your sins Past present and future... You will be lost.

The scripture says: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You see there will be no one up in Heaven who will be able to say, Hey I made it because I did so and so. God has shut up everyone's mouth because salvation is by grace it is unmerited. This means there is absolutely nothing you can do to earn it.

It is completely free to us because Jesus who was God came in the flesh and paid for it himself all of it not just part of it. That is why the scripture can say John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So many people are struggling to do good and to live right. Although God does want us to do those things, they have nothing to do with going to heaven. Jesus was provided as a substitute for us.

Like the picture in the Old testament of the animals that were sacrificed to make atonement for the sins of the Jewish people, Christ was the last and only Sacrifice God provided for us. He is the spotless lamb that takes away the sins of the world.

If you are one of these people (gay or straight), thinking you have to do something to go to heaven. I hope you will simply Trust Christ and what he did on the cross to take you there.

This belief is not just simply knowing that Christ was a historical figure, but knowing that what he did was for you personally.

God bless you all
and Merry Christmas,

Robert

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Dec 23, 2009
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It is so funny the way gay and straight people try to defend there view on salvation. You see there is no difference in Gods eyes on straight or Gay or the degree of our sins we have committed. The scripture says: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; You see Hitler himself which I believe to be a chief sinner could have been saved if he had believed on Christ. Judas who betrayed Christ could have been saved if he had believed or trusted in Jesus. How sad to think that we in any way have something to do with our Salvation. This is the Devils tool. He gives people a heavenly way to go to hell. He lets people think that they in their own righteousness and self will can attain Heaven. Friends it is not possible. It doesn't matter if you are a prostitute a murderer a drug addict or John Paul the II. Unless you realize that Jesus was God who came in Flesh and died for you personally for all your sins Past present and future... You will be lost. The scripture says: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. You see there will be no one up in Heaven who will be able to say, Hey I made it because I did so and so. God has shut up everyone's mouth because salvation is by grace it is unmerited. This means there is absolutely nothing you can do to earn it. It is completely free to us because Jesus who was God came in the flesh and paid for it himself all of it not just part of it. That is why the scripture can say John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. So many people are struggling to do good and to live right. Although God does want us to do those things, they have nothing to do with going to heaven. Jesus was provided as a substitute for us. Like the picture in the Old testament of the animals that were sacrificed to make atonement for the sins of the Jewish people, Christ was the last and only Sacrifice God provided for us. He is the spotless lamb that takes away the sins of the world. If you are one of these people (gay or straight), thinking you have to do something to go to heaven. I hope you will simply Trust Christ and what he did on the cross to take you there. This belief is not just simply knowing that Christ was a historical figure, but knowing that what he did was for you personally. God bless you all and Merry Christmas, Robert

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Feb 10, 2010
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Without works
by: Jack Oxford

"ergo nomou" which you translate without works actually is a reference to the works of the Mosaic Law: circumcision, kosher diet,calendar rituals etc. Paul uses this over and over again to refer to the primary means by which Jews self identified.

While I agree that we are saved by Grace you must accommodate Paul's and others statements that Faith works through Love. Even in the opening and closing verses of Romans Paul says that he came to bring about "the obedience of Faith" through his apostolate. There is more than Faith alone.

I can have faith great enough to move mountains but not having love, I am nothing. Christians self identify by faith working through love. This may have little to do with whether gays or straights are acceptable to God based on sexual orientation but a wider question as to how anyone is identified by God as saved. We don't just say "Lord, Lord" but DO the Will of the Father".

Feb 11, 2010
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Its about Justification by Faith
by: Rick Brentlinger

Romans and Galatians were written to point out that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, without any human works.

Justification is forensic (a legal declaration by God), not infused (based on our good works or our ability to keep the law or the ability of a religious institution to convey grace to us).

The law stands for anything man can do which he thinks will earn him salvation.

Grace is the antithesis of law and law is the antithesis of grace.

The law is exactly what God told Israel to do to be in right relationship with Him. Keeping the law represents the pinnacle of human good works. And yet, scripture tells us:

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." -Galatians 2:16

"Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law." -Galatians 3:21

Feb 11, 2010
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And lest we forget...
by: Sparrow

Galatians 3:28:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Apr 16, 2010
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Gay Christian, an oxymoron...
by: Tim

Can someone be a shy extravert, a happy sad person or a gay Christian? Put simply in oxymoron context...N0. God abhores the sexual practice of homosexuals and plainly states that their choice will keep them out of heaven. Let's look at plain common sense. If there were 3 islands set 5,000 miles apart from each other and no means to get off of those islands, which would have the best chance of survival after 80 years given the same set of circumstances. Island 1 has 200 gay men, island 2 has 200 gay women and island 3 has 100 men and 100 women (both straight people). Islands 1 & 2 will not be able to procreaete and die off while island 3 will flourish. Isn't it just common sense that gay relationships aren't even natural let alone Godly?

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