God saves gays but do you think He wants them to stay gay?

by Jeremy
(California)

Cybele the Roman fertility goddess

Cybele the Roman fertility goddess

Rick Brentlinger Answers -



God delights in saving gays and everyone else who repents of sin and trusts Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

Nothing in the Bible indicates that God is in the business of changing people's sexual orientation.

So the answer to your question is, Yes, God wants gays to stay gay because that's the way He made them.

That doesn't mean God wants people to live sinful lives or promiscuous lives or selfish lives. Gays and lesbians who get saved are changed into the image of Christ, from glory to glory, as they walk with the Lord and obey Him day by day.

Jesus indicates that one's sexual orientation is fixed at birth and is not a matter of personal choice, Matthew 19:3-12.

Romans 1:26-27 deals with a particular historical situation in first century Rome. Cybele, the Protectress of Rome and the reigning fertility goddess of first century Rome, was worshiped by throngs of people in five worship sites across the Imperial city.

Paul specifically pointed out the sinfulness of women and men who rejected the true God to worship false gods like Cybele. Paul in no way intended his words to be misinterpreted to apply to lesbian couples or gay couples.

In my book, Gay Christian 101, I list 15 interpretations of these verses.

I provide scripturally and historically accurate insight into Romans 1 at these Links.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-And-Shrine-Prostitution.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Against-Nature.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans-1-And-Homosexuality.html

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Oct 12, 2009
A leopard's spots...
by: Dorothy

Asking this question implies ignorance of the subject. It not only presumes something's "wrong" with being gay, but it implies it can and SHOULD be changed... as if a leopard can change his spots...

as if any straight person can change into being gay. We ALL are hard-wired to be a certain way... it's as simple as that, and our input was not solicited when the Creator made us.

Oct 15, 2009
Jeremy may simply be seeking affirmation, not implying God's censure of gays
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dorothy, Jeremy asked an honest and valid question, in my opinion. There is so much condemnation preached about gays and lesbians, its natural to wonder if its okay to be a gay Christian and not buy into the Exodus International anti-gay rhetoric.

I don't know if Jeremy is gay or not but I think his question and my answer will be helpful to some folks who are questioning.

Thanks for joining in the conversation.

Dec 23, 2009
Salvation has nothing to do with straright or gay
by: Robert

It is so funny the way gay and straight people try to defend there view on salvation. You see there is no difference in Gods eyes on straight or Gay or the degree of our sins we have committed.

The scripture says: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

You see Hitler himself which I believe to be a chief sinner could have been saved if he had believed on Christ. Judas who betrayed Christ could have been saved if he had believed or trusted in Jesus.

How sad to think that we in any way have something to do with our Salvation. This is the Devils tool. He gives people a heavenly way to go to hell. He lets people think that they in their own righteousness and self will can attain Heaven. Friends it is not possible.

It doesn't matter if you are a prostitute a murderer a drug addict or John Paul the II. Unless you realize that Jesus was God who came in Flesh and died for you personally for all your sins Past present and future... You will be lost.

The scripture says: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

You see there will be no one up in Heaven who will be able to say, Hey I made it because I did so and so. God has shut up everyone's mouth because salvation is by grace it is unmerited. This means there is absolutely nothing you can do to earn it.

It is completely free to us because Jesus who was God came in the flesh and paid for it himself all of it not just part of it. That is why the scripture can say John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

So many people are struggling to do good and to live right. Although God does want us to do those things, they have nothing to do with going to heaven. Jesus was provided as a substitute for us.

Like the picture in the Old testament of the animals that were sacrificed to make atonement for the sins of the Jewish people, Christ was the last and only Sacrifice God provided for us. He is the spotless lamb that takes away the sins of the world.

If you are one of these people (gay or straight), thinking you have to do something to go to heaven. I hope you will simply Trust Christ and what he did on the cross to take you there.

This belief is not just simply knowing that Christ was a historical figure, but knowing that what he did was for you personally.

God bless you all
and Merry Christmas,

Robert



Feb 10, 2010
Without works
by: Jack Oxford

"ergo nomou" which you translate without works actually is a reference to the works of the Mosaic Law: circumcision, kosher diet,calendar rituals etc. Paul uses this over and over again to refer to the primary means by which Jews self identified.

While I agree that we are saved by Grace you must accommodate Paul's and others statements that Faith works through Love. Even in the opening and closing verses of Romans Paul says that he came to bring about "the obedience of Faith" through his apostolate. There is more than Faith alone.

I can have faith great enough to move mountains but not having love, I am nothing. Christians self identify by faith working through love. This may have little to do with whether gays or straights are acceptable to God based on sexual orientation but a wider question as to how anyone is identified by God as saved. We don't just say "Lord, Lord" but DO the Will of the Father".

Feb 11, 2010
Its about Justification by Faith
by: Rick Brentlinger

Romans and Galatians were written to point out that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, without any human works.

Justification is forensic (a legal declaration by God), not infused (based on our good works or our ability to keep the law or the ability of a religious institution to convey grace to us).

The law stands for anything man can do which he thinks will earn him salvation.

Grace is the antithesis of law and law is the antithesis of grace.

The law is exactly what God told Israel to do to be in right relationship with Him. Keeping the law represents the pinnacle of human good works. And yet, scripture tells us:
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." -Galatians 2:16

"Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law." -Galatians 3:21

Feb 11, 2010
And lest we forget...
by: Sparrow

Galatians 3:28:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Apr 16, 2010
Gay Christian, an oxymoron...
by: Tim

Can someone be a shy extravert, a happy sad person or a gay Christian? Put simply in oxymoron context...N0. God abhores the sexual practice of homosexuals and plainly states that their choice will keep them out of heaven. Let's look at plain common sense. If there were 3 islands set 5,000 miles apart from each other and no means to get off of those islands, which would have the best chance of survival after 80 years given the same set of circumstances. Island 1 has 200 gay men, island 2 has 200 gay women and island 3 has 100 men and 100 women (both straight people). Islands 1 & 2 will not be able to procreaete and die off while island 3 will flourish. Isn't it just common sense that gay relationships aren't even natural let alone Godly?

Nov 05, 2010
The Rapture
by: Paul

If someone, is gay and is going to church and got saved as a kid. When Jesus Christ comes back for his church does that person get raptured also, or does he or she stay?

Nov 05, 2010
Yes, saved GLBTs DO get Raptured too
by: Rick Brentlinger

Because salvation is based on justification by faith, Romans 5:1 and 5:9, the correct answer is:

"Yes, Saved gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people DO get Raptured with everyone else."

Salvation is not based on sexual orientation.

The Rapture is not based on sexual orientation.

How to be saved
and know it


How To Know For Sure
I'm Saved Bible Study

Nov 05, 2010
Brief Bible study about the Rapture
by: Rick Brentlinger

Here's a brief but helpful Bible Study about the Rapture.

Is the pre-trib Rapture
sound Bible doctrine?

Nov 08, 2010
Case closed
by: Sparrow

"Jesus indicates that one's sexual orientation is fixed at birth and is not a matter of personal choice, Matthew 19:3-12."

What further debate can there be?

Nov 19, 2010
yeaaaaaa
by: Anonymous

u say in this forum that Jesus says that people are born with there sex orient in the script Matthew 19:3-12. i assume its where he says eunuchs are born that way. but eunuchs are just men with deformed or castrated genitals. and even if u say that they meant people that are homosexual when they say eunuchs. that still doesnt make any sense. because that doesnt prove that gay isnt a sin. people are born with being mute, blind, deaf, crippled, and other way worse conditions there all born with it and in a world without sin that wouldnt exist. and god does heal people of that (NOTICE i am NOT saying being deaf or blind etc etc is a sin in and of itself but its deffinitly the result of our sinful world or a generational curse which is what a born gay person could have a gen curse)

Dec 03, 2010
response to Tim's island riddle
by: robyn

You said:
"Island 1 has 200 gay men, island 2 has 200 gay women and island 3 has 100 men and 100 women (both straight people)."

And I had to laugh, really. Because if you put 200 men, gay or straight, on an island, chances are, they aren't going to reproduce! Same goes for women!

Please, please, please reread your statement and realize that it makes NO sense!
And is really VERY amusing and ironic.

Dec 10, 2010
robyn missed my pnt completely
by: Anonymous

the pnt is that in natural gay men who have what they want to be with gay men cannot reproduce and God is all about life. the island is just a metaphor for saying if we cut them off from the option of women as a last resort they wouldnt be alive for every long. u take my messages way to literally. and just cuz i might be disagreeing with u and u might think im dumb or even have laughed at me thats no reason for a christian to be malicious and state plain out that he was dumb. frankly i see my pnt as valid and makes sense if u dont thats fine. what im saying is yes gays are loved yes Jesus by all means died for them. yes if theres a rapture gays will be coming on home too. what im saying is homosexuality is a sin in and of itself. it does not promote life which is what god is all about. anatomy wise the puzzle pieces dont fit. also it is proven fact that anal sex is not safe. not saying that gays are all bout sex. but that is a valid pnt. and also if enuchs (what u all call gay ppl of the bible) (i cant spell that word lol) are not suppose to have sex doesnt that mean that god wants all gay ppl to be single no sex to spousal relationships or anything deeper than friends and such. if thats the case then blessed be the gay ppl who are choosen by God to be single and have there hearts only on him all the days of there life.

btw id like to know how guys gals explain this scripture where it clearly says that men laying with men is a detestable sin (all sin is detestable theres no great or small sin all is equal) and that they must be put to death. Leviticus 20:13 that be interesting for me to hear

Dec 10, 2010
ohh my bad robyn
by: Anonymous

ohhh srry robyn i was using kinda the same metaphor as tim and i didnt notice he was on here either srry tho u said i said it and it was wierd i didnt think i had said that but w/e

i am srry bout that but still my pnts remain valid including the whole laughing at him

Dec 10, 2010
Greater Sin
by: Jack Oxford

Strange that Jesus would comment to Pilate that Judas for his betrayal was guilty of the greater sin if all sins were equal. John's Epistle notes that not all sins are deadly(mortal). So I believe that the traditional teaching of the Church about the distinction among sins makes sense.
While folks may accept one interpretation or another I believe it makes sense to study what the weight of the evidence says. Neither Sola Fide nor Sola Scriptura are the only way to understand the evidence.

Dec 10, 2010
all sin is equal
by: Anonymous

What is sin disobedience to god or imperfection (breaking of gods law). what is the penalty for sin death. so regardless of whether or not a sin is worse than another even the smallest of infractions without jesus sacrifice for us does lead to the same penalty for all eternity. so yes all sin is equal because it is a eternal offense to our holy perfect god and will be punished in the same way as so called quote unquote greater sins.



(below is my opinion)
frankly when jesus said he was guilty of the greater sin he was speaking as a human who has to give sins a scale. But as a God he would say its the same

Dec 10, 2010
You asked about Leviticus 20:13
by: Rick Brentlinger

I'm glad you brought up that interesting verse. I'd love to get your opinion on my answer.

Leviticus 18:22, 20:13 and shrine prostitutes.

Many thanks for your thoughts.

Dec 10, 2010
Greater Sin
by: Jack Oxford

I just don't see how your interpretation of those verses comes from anything but your own ideas. Certainly Jesus' sacrifice atones for all sin. However to assume that all sins are the same or equal does not follow from the sufficiency of His Death and resurrection. Even Matthew's Gospel says that Sinners do not get out of prison until they have paid the last penny. Paul says that our construction on the foundation laid by Christ would be tested from gold to straw and we would be saved "as through fire". So there seems to be some kind of difference in virtue . Doesn't a difference in the wickedness of sin make sense.
Just Saying...

Dec 18, 2010
i can see what u mean but id say nah
by: Anonymous

to a eternal God who says the wages of sin is death that means that even 1 sin is death correct? i mean he didnt put a thing on it saying if u commit a lesser sin u only get 10000 yrs in hell or whatever maybe u get fined. no he said sin = death so from that view pnt to God himself all sin is prettymuch equal when it comes to punishment. and regardless of the greatness or non greatness of the sin. sin is sin and therefore should be abhored and completely rebuked from our lives. not to say that thats even possible for a human but that what we should strive for. from a humanist pnt of view sins have to have lvls otherwise wed have to either kill anyone for speeding or do nothin to murders some craziness like that any way

bottom line is sin is sin sin = death sin should be abhored and not in our lives in anyway

Feb 12, 2011
NO
by: JesusIsComin'

Well it clearly states in the Holy Bible that God accepts prostitutes, homosexuals, serial killers, etc. Alas, He does not say we can keep living our ungodly, sinful ways. He accepts everyone, but expects them to change one they are accepted by Christ. Why would Jesus have died upon the cross at Golgotha, if he would've said to just keep on doing whatever your doing..... he didn't. But He gave us the choice: to follow Him and become fishers of men, or to rebel and be severely punished in the End Times, stated in Revelation

Feb 13, 2011
@ JesusIsComin'
by: Rick Brentlinger

"But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant." -1 Corinthians 14:38

Another classic, "I'm too dumb to walk and chew gum" comment. Don't you ever take time off from writing goofy comments to read your Bible? Thanks for making me smile this morning.

Mar 08, 2011
My brothers and sisters gay or str8
by: Anonymous

I'll pray for u guys that u don't reject ur own salvation and that ur convicted of ur sin pls my brothers do the same for me and if I may ask pray for me to have wisedom in teachin and helpin bring to christ 3 of my friends

May 29, 2011
show me
by: Anonymous

can u all explain these verses to me then plz if gay isnt a sin like any other sin such as lieing murder adultery sex before marriage porn masterbation prostitution

Leviticus 20:13 (New International Version)

13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Timothy 1:10 (New International Version)

10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers?and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

Genesis 19:3-13 (New International Version)

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom ? both young and old ? surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, No, my friends. Don?t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don?t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.

9 Get out of our way, they replied. This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We?ll treat you worse than them. They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, Do you have anyone else here ? sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.

Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version)

22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

May 29, 2011
blessings
by: Anonymous

Romans 1:26-27 (New International Version)

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

and as for those who say a leopard cant change his spots and people cant turn from gay to str8 or even str8 to gay. DO WE not serve a ALL POWERFUL *ALL POWER* being (not shout just emphasing plz dont think im shouting). Can the God that created everything including u me and the universe not change something so simple and insignifcant as someones sexual preference. NOT AT ALL TO SAY THAT GOD CAUSES US TO BE GAY.

LOVE to all of u GAY STR8 BI TRANS PURPLE

and BLESSING to u all

Jul 07, 2011
3 island riddle solved
by: josh kelley

um dude who made up that riddle? that is ridiculous and like the other person said laughable. cause ok from my point of view yes 200 gay men on an island the island will be gone as soon as they the guys die out same for the women, but on the hetero island if you got 100 men and 100 women mating you are going to have too many problems little ones like fornication, adultery etc

then the big one if they keep mating the island will become too populated to exist and there would be war and killing and pain and in the end that island too would fail to exist as well. while the two islands consisting of same sex couples went out of existence peacefully peacefully.

Jul 08, 2011
@ josh kelly and others
by: Anonymous

what u blame on overpopulation is just the result of a fallen world. This planet is one big island, and we would if we continue to populate without God's supervision. We would also overpopulate and cause wars in fact thats exactly what were doing. I never said how big the island was. You all assumed that. Besides regardless of whether or not the arguement is stupid or not to u (i think its a awesome one). The fact still remains that being gay is a sin.

As the bible says it is, period no ifs, ands, or buts. You can not explain it away by saying they meant enuchs or say we dont have to obey it cuz its in the old testament. The fact is God made marriage 1 man 1 woman united (like puzzle pieces) and anything that is not THAT WAY (when i use CAPS im emphasing not yelling) in a sexual relationship under marriage is evil and wrong.

I think alot of gay ppl confuse what love is for emotions. Love is what God says it is between who God says its between. u can have a combo of lust and a brotherly love for someone and think its actual love that God talks about for man and woman but its not. there is evil verisons of love (not that love is evil its that we have distorted and twisted it). ppl that have sex with animals say they love animals. Ppl that say they love 5 yrs olds and there 50 really do think they love them, but they dont have a Godly love for them, or they wouldnt be having sex with the 5 yr old.

no where in the bible is a same sex relationship between 2 ppl encouraged or even given a story were its picture is positive.

U saved people CANNOT HONESTLY tell me that when you got saved there werent things in your life that you thought were awesome, good, Godly or if not that things that were fine God should have no problem with this. But God had a big problem with it and you were like really God u have a issue with this WHY, HOW is this bad.

How can we as sinners know what is right and wrong we cant only God and His Word knows. its like blind ppl telling ppl that can see what light looks like. its ridiculous

ALOTTTT of gay ppl are gay because they missed out on there moms or there dads love when they were growing up. or they were molested or something along those lines

Jul 08, 2011
@ josh kelly and others
by: Anonymous

now to make it CLEAR cuz Lord knows u all prolly think im a hate monger or something. i love people gay str8 bi trans murders liars perverts doesnt matter. but just cuz i love u doesnt mean me or God want u to stay in sin (not that i dont sin far be it from me to think that) and not that im saying being Gay is the worst sin. there all equal, equally horrid to the eyes of God

u will go to hell for any one of these unless u accept Jesus as ur saviour, make Him your Lord (which means u surrender ALL of your own will to his/do what he says to do and not to do) and repent of all your sins. God can only forgive you of your sin if u are willing to repent of it if your not ur still in sin. if u cant repent even if ud like to thats a good start just pray about it ull be fine.

1 John 1:9- basically repent of ur sins and ull be forgiven - repent - to realize what you have done is evil and wrong and want nothing more to do with it, even if you still feel that way or still want to do it you dont do the act and you pray that God delivers you from it. AND HE WILL

he has for me from porn and masterbation. and ill give you something that was a huge help repent of the cause not the symptom porn gayness

masterbation there all the cause of a fornicating and adulteress heart. so for me i had to repent and pray for help from porn masterbation and fornication and adulteress heart u go to the doctor to kill the bacteria not to cover the symptoms.

Were all sexual deviants lol and its not gonna happen over night unless God really shows you some favor cuz its been a 2 yr BATTLE FOR ME. Still not completely won so id appreciate prayers for myself brother sisters, but regardless ill pray for you all.

Honestly if i came off harsh i apologize i dont hate any sinner seeing as i am at times (recent and not so recent) in my prayer room litterally crying to God about how sinnful I AM but we must not let that stop us from warning ppl obviously in sin and not wanting to repent, that if they dont repent they are (to use some urban lingo) SCREWED - srry its so long lol

Dec 01, 2011
nobody's born that way
by: tampabay guy

Hi everyone, I found this site in a search result. I searched why do people think God wants them to be gay. There's no where in the bible does it say it's okay to be Gay or Lesbian. The Matthew verse basically refers to men abstaining from sex.

I haven't searched through the website to know exactly what everyone here is about as far as their walk with God, but the title gaychristian just sounds confusing.

I read in Romans 1:26 and it clearly shows how wrong this is. It's all about our relationship with the Lord, people have fell far away from God's laws and they don't Love and obey him over everything else. Sort of like how God tested Abraham with sacrificing his son. God knows he loved his son, but he wanted to see if he loved him more than he loved his son.

I think it's difficult for gay or lesbian people to understand this because their minds are already trained to think differently. It's sad because young girls who aren't satisfied with their appearance as a girl, change their appearance to more boyish, and over time they start to feel comfortable with themselves and find it hard to change. It's all an attack from satan.

I don't believe a gay or lesbian can be raptured, because Jesus is only taking those who are ready. Luckily if they are left behind, they will start to realize their mistake and can hopefully find the truth.

Dec 01, 2011
Was there a full moon last night?
by: Rick Brentlinger

Periodically we receive confused goofy inane comments, often coinciding with a full moon. tampabay guy's comment and the idiotic rant before that are good examples. These comments share three similarities.

1. They demonstrate an amazing lack of Biblical knowledge.

2. They brazenly assume we are ignorant of what the Bible says in context.

3. They are worded in a way which demonstrates the blind as a goose in a hailstorm ignorance of the individual making the comment.

I usually delete such comments but from time to time I post some of the goofy comments to let readers know we still have educational and evangelistic work to do.

Feb 16, 2012
Good grief - is there STILL a full moon?
by: Anonymous

Rick's comment: The astonishing ignorance of comments like this demonstrates the great need for this website. Kudos to you for having the good sense to post Anonymously. I wouldn't want my name linked to such ignorance either.

Oh my goodness, I am certainly disheartened at how you've twisted the word of God to suit your own fleshly and evil desires.

Have you seen Leviticus 18:22 which states "thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination"! It goes on to say in vs 27 that it is for these very abominations that the land was considered defiled. As a result God was telling them to please keep his statutes and judgments so that they won't be spewed out from the land as other nations were who were involved in these wicked acts.

People please, God is the same God of yesterday. Men lying with men, and women lying with women is NOT of God. It is SIN. Please do not be deceived. It is a demon sent to blind you of all truth.

Satan came to steal, to kill and to destroy. I pray that someone's eyes open to the truth after reading this. Pray and ask God to deliver you from this sin. Yes we were given free will but not to change our sexual orientation.

PLLLEEASSSEE people please, repent and allow God to cleanse you! The true gospel needs no back up. You don't need to defend something that others are clearly against. The true gospel would STAND by itself. God's word is powerful. And what he says, goes forever. No human interpretation for something clearly described as an abomination can change the power of his word.

Apr 10, 2012
I need a question answered!
by: Brian

Ok my mom tells me in the bible said a man will leave his mother and cleave to his wife and this she said applied to that man only should be with woman how can you help me translate the real truth about this context?

Rick's comment: The verse is Genesis 2:24 and the teaching is called absolute complementarianism. That teaching says that the ONLY kind of marriage God will bless is a one man with one woman marriage, like Adam and Eve.

I answer arguments like that beginning on my Adam and Eve page. I also answer many similar questions on the Gay Christian FAQ.

May 01, 2012
I completely agree with Anonymous
by: Misty

God is the same yesterday today and forever. And you are completely correct anonymous... the truth will stand on it's own. One day we will all stand in front of God for His judgement on our lives. It is not for us to judge each other's salvation. We are to judge a tree by the fruit it bears. We are called to be witnesses of Christ and we have to tell non-believers the TRUTH.

If you say you are a Christian and you lie to people and cause them to believe a lie then you are an anti-christ and you will be judged as such. It breaks my heart to think that anyone would actually believe that it is okay to do anything that the Bible explicitly commands them not to.

I just had a gay couple move in next door to me and I was researching the best way to witness to them and came across this and I had to say my peace. I will pray for all of you who are blind to God's truth.

Rick's comment: God has set before you an open door with your new gay neighbors. Instead of parroting the lies about gays you've heard from the pulpit, why not obey 2 Tim 2:15 and discover what the Bible does (and does NOT) say about us? This website is a great place to start.

God already brought you here yet you're resisting the leading of the Holy Spirit. Why? How many times most our loving Lord confront you with His truth about gays before you repent of your false beliefs and accept God's truth?

P.S.
If you were unsaved and your new neighbors told you how to get saved and reminded you that you MUST separate from your husband in order to be pleasing to God AND they took verses out of context to prove their point, would you be convinced?

When you take verses out of context and tell your gay neighbors they must separate or divorce to be pleasing to God, do you really think they're dumb enough to believe you?

May 07, 2012
I'm not against homosexuality but I think it's wrong
by: ObeyGod

I don't mean to offend or scare anyone for any of theirs wrongs. I am actually not against homosexuality

Rick's comment: Yet you say it is wrong later on in your comments.

Sexual preference of others doesn't affect me. Speaking biblically though, it does seem to condemn this practice: 1 Cor 6:9-11 KJV 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Rick's comment: It will be helpful for you to read these pages about 1 Cor 6:9-10.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Malakoi.html

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Arsenokoites.html


Effeminate: Don't you think this explains the traits of many Gays? That's like saying only the aggressive Gay males are okay and the feminine women.

Abusers of themselves with mankind: Homosexuality is an abomination to the Father and it falls under sexually immoral acts.

1 Cor 7:1-5, KJV 7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman...

This is saying we are allowed sex after marriage for more than just reproduction due to our immorality and strong sexual desire...

Which brings us around to another way we know that homosexuality is wrong.

Rick's comment: But didn't you say earlier "I am actually not against homosexuality"? Your thoughts are incoherent.

In the days of Christ there was no such thing as Gays being married. If we can not have sex until marriage, and gays cannot marry how can homosexuality be ok?

Rick's comment: Gay Marriage has a long honorable history.

Back to Leviticus, It is an abomination for man to lie with man. Every man is to have his own wife and likewise with woman to husband.

Rick's comment: Please get a clue. Lev 18:22 and 20:13 is about shrine prostitutes, not gays and lesbians.

May 09, 2012
Wow...
by: Anonymous

Sorry but I do not agree with the lies and deception in this post.

May 13, 2012
Adam and eve
by: anrhony

Adam and eve is what God intented for mankind. God told them to be fruitful and mutiply . Reproduction can be only done by a man and a woman. We need to stop taking the bible out of context to support our different lie styles. Jesus loves sinners he hate sin. We all have sin but as christian we strive to be sinless and live like jesus did. Jesus said come as you are; however he dies not expect you to leave the same way. We are born in sin and shape in iniquity. However the bliid of jesus gives us the power to overcone sin and clease us from it. Jesus love gays lesbian murders thiefs liars. What he does not like is the sin they practice. Read the bible ask the holy spirit to interpret the scpritures for us. The holy spirit will lead us in all truth.

Rick's comment: You need to get a clue people! Sorry for the long line but SO many of you NEED a clue! There are 7 billion people on earth. We have been fruitful. We have multiplied. And your Love the sinner, hate the sin, mantra? That is so 1350s.

Jun 09, 2012
either we accept bible authority or chaos
by: Anonymous

as late as the eighties when i worked in the homosexual module of the la county jail i interviewed hundreds of glbts and asked them why they were gay. they gave numerous reasons including being dressed in opposite gender roles, their parenting, and other environmental factors. some said they did not know. but there was one factor that seemed universal. each of the people were introduced to/seduced into same gender sex at an early age by people they loved and trusted. no child should be introduced to sex of any kind in their elementary school years.they used term being "turned-out" from homosexual to heterosexual. they viewed it as a choice rather than an orientation.the gay community adroitly educated the new generation of gays to speak about orientation rather than choice. choice can be changed;choice is sinful and rebellious. orientation says god made me this way. modern gays do not believe gay practice is sin. our culture says it is okay just as fornication is okay. wish it were so. i am single and miss sex, but i am waiting to marry. the bible way on sex is difficult sometime, but if i am truly saved i want to be obedient to my saviour. jesus did not tell the women forgiven for her adultery to go and continue in adultery. but remember friends are gay associates do not see gay sex practice as sin as the clear old and new testaments teach. if gay is okay so is fornication. as much as my flesh would love to partake of the sexual pleasure of a woman before i marry, i know i would be lying to myself if i said thje bible condoned it. salvation i not based on works.but our works can indicate if our salvation is real. who is in control the lord or our passions.

Rick's comment: Interesting but your anonymous anecdotal testimony is as famously unreliable as your false conclusions based on ripping verses out of context so you can use them to libel your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

You guys are spiritually as blind as a bat backing in backwards. Why do you refuse to memorize and obey 2 Tim 2:15?

Jun 20, 2012
Of course we're meant to stay gay, it's not something you can change!
by: My friends call me Dora

I just want to say that I believe God made gays. And that God loves us.

I've been doing some researching in my Greek-language New Testament (always good to read from the original!) and I was a bit disturbed to read the passage in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, about how malakoi (effeminates) and arsenokoites (I think the best translation is men who sleep with men) will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rick's comment: Just for the record, arsenokoites was never used in ancient times witht the meaning, men who sleep with men. That false meaning comes from separating the word, arsenokoitai, and deciding it means men and have sex with, instead of going by how the word is actually used in extant Greek literature. Please see arsenokoites for more information.

However, can we take into account that these aren't the instructions of Christ? It's Paul's words.

Rick's comment: The Pauline epistles are as fully inspired as the words of Jesus, 2 Timothy 3:15-17. Scripture is truth.

Also, the next line says that some of the Corinthians were these things but were washed, sanctified and justified in the name of God. We can be gay and sissy, we're still Christians QED.

Rick's comment: The word sissy is derogatory. I think what you're saying is that GLBTs get saved just like anyone else but getting saved doesn't change our sexual orientation.

Christians, why aren't you using your ears and listening? Cross-reference the text of your Bible with the instructions of Christ and do what He says. It's a lot less to remember than Leviticus, at any rate. ;) Best, Dora.

Jun 20, 2012
Orientation does not affect our salvation
by: Sparrow....

Nor does our orientation affect in ANY way our salvation! He MADE us -- "Jesus knows me, this I love"!

Jun 26, 2012
I am saved and gay
by: Anonymous

Anyone who comments who is not gay or doesn't understand the strength of male to male attraction yet still says they are going to hell should shut up and read this. I'm a gay boy and I convinced myself that i'm going to hell. So if I want to go to heaven I shouldn't date men at all.

Yet, my feelings for my friends or the boys I had crushes on were so strong that I thought "I can't stop these feelings" Why would God make a rule that I can't follow or hurts myself to follow. So this makes perfect sense to me. Even with verses proving that homosexuality is not a sin. If it is I'm not going to hell. Like a man who is saved, but constantly sins like everyone else.

Jun 26, 2012
At the above comment
by: sprinic

Most christians I know know that ppl can be gay and saved your not going to hell. The question is are you really saved wanting to obey Gods will. Which you vey well could be just like str8 christians struggle with porn. The other question u is it a sin. Yes it is. Why would God call you to do something that hurts you or is hard. Cuz its first of not about you. if it hurts its called dieing to yourself pick up your cross daily anyone. Also cuz he loves you knows best for you. Would you tell a person that loves himself and hates carrying for others that its ok you can not looooove others if it hurts you to do it. Its ok murderer if it kills you or hurts you if you can't kill. Its ok zoophile you can keep having sex with animals if it hurts you to not do it. Cuz it hurts or is hard to over come had nothing to do with if its ok or not evil or good. In fact the fact that it is harrrd or hurts you is all the more reason that its evil. Its harrrd and hurts to die to or evil desires. If they weree easy to overcome then we wouldn't need to pray to god to clean us we could just clean ourselves up

Rick's comment: Dear heart - I assume you mean well but you are quite confused. I hope you will read more of this website. Doing so will help you escape the confusion which right now engulfs your thinking.

Jun 27, 2012
Sorry Rick - you are quite deceived
by: sprinic

I've read your site and I think unfortunately your quite deceived which is very easy to become in this world. So peace my friend but I do believe you to be very wrong and leading others to excuse there sins.

Rick's comment: Dear heart - if you truly believe I am leading people to excuse their sins, then you have not read this website with comprehension.

There is nothing spiritual about defending false teaching about gays, as you are doing. It's time to get a clue and start believing what the Bible says in context.

Jun 27, 2012
From Sprinic - I think you're deceived
by: Anonymous

Lol funny cuz I think the same of you

Btw you ever seen the truth project (I have a point in asking this)

Rick's comment: No, I haven't seen it. Do you understand the Biblical teaching of justification by faith?

Jul 21, 2012
sigh
by: Anonymous

The bible makes it very clear that marriage is between one man and one woman, as when it refers to marriage (throughout the bible) it's addressing a heterosexual couple/marriage NOT a homosexual one.

Rick's comment: I feel sorry for you if you bought into the Exodus myths. Their deceptive logic can get confusing.

If they helped you get clean from drugs, alcohol and promiscuous sex, then that's wonderful. But millions of happy gays are not involved in drugs, alcohol and promiscuous sex. Breaking addictions is not the same as changing your sexual orientation.


If you are CREATED a man, then it pretty much stands that God has meant you to be with a woman.

Rick's comment: God is the God of diversity. He makes every finger print and every snow flake different. Is it really so difficult to imagine He would create different sexual orientations?

It doesn't directly SAY it because it's already clear guys. It's clear in the rest of the words, AND because of the beginning of the bible. (A man leaves his father and mother and clings to his WIFE) It's also clear when marriage is talked about. It can't really GET any clearer.

It's FURTHER clearer when we read Romans and understand that homosexuality is a CURSE against a nation, city, etc because the people are IMMORAL... God used it in Romans to DESTROY those people (no artificial insemination then)

Rick's comment: Romans 1 is about idolatry, not gays and lesbians. I encourage you to do additional study. My Romans page is a good place to start.

God's PLAN for our sexual orientation is that if we are made one way, then our opposite is what we were MEANT for. Homosexuality (while completely understandable in some instances) is a PERVERSION of the sexual revelation of God. He created something naturally and that's the way it's meant to be.

Believe it or not, I struggle with this sin, and after years of prayer, NO I was not "born this way" unless you consider that ALL sin is inherit, and NO it is NOT something God is pleased with. Although in some instances He understands/has mercy. I decided to obey GOD and marry a man (I'm female) My obedience is what He's after.

Rick's comment: That makes me sad. I suppose someone took scripture out of context to convince you of that. Perhaps they used the verse, To obey is better than sacrifice, and acted like that applies to being a lesbian who makes the sacrifice of marrying a man. Please do not use this website to encourage anyone else to participate in that kind of spiritual malpractice.

When you're created a MAN, your future is to have a family, offspring, wife, etc and vise versa... this other non-sense is merely that... non-sense.

Rick's comment: Reading all of this makes me sad.

Jul 21, 2012
Another thing
by: Anonymous

why the HECK is there a ROMAN FERTILITY GODDESS at the top of this page? O_o

Seriously, this is all kinds of whack. To suggest otherwise is to flirt with leading people to hell.

Rick's comment: Why is there a fertility goddess at the top of this page? To remind you that the context of the clobber passages is worship of the fertility goddess, not gays and lesbians in committed relationships.

See, you don't get to rip verses out of context and tell us they mean something out of context that they didn't mean in context. Does that make sense?

Aug 27, 2012
Justification of
by: Cid

I have read all the comments on this site.

Rick's comment: I doubt it - there are almost 2000 comments on the pages of this website.

Cid's comment: I have also read comments on other sites, eg. sites for drug addiction, sites for alcohol addiction, sites for psychological disorders such as Narcissism among others. On those sites, like this one, the "majority" reject as "normal practice" what the "minority" energetically "defend" as acceptable.

Rick's comment: 1. Comparing the normal innate sexual orientation of homosexuals to drug addicts, drunks and psychological disorders like narcissism indicates you haven't done much reading or study.

2. The American Psychiatric Association concluded in 1975, that homosexuality is normal. Do you have a Ph.D. or an M.D. and expertise in this field? Do you have any academic training or clinical experience upon which to base your contrary conclusion?

Cid's comment: Why is it that those in favour of homosexuality (minority) try so hard to "justify" their sexual preferences; if it's so "natural" when heterosexuals (majority) don't feel the need to justify their sexual preferences !!!

Rick's comment: Could it be that heterosexuals keep attacking us and putting us down and we feel compelled to defend ourselves against rancorous attacks which are founded upon nothing but opinion? Perhaps if you read more and paid attention to professional groups like the APA, we wouldn't have to defend ourselves and our community against people like you.

Cid's comment: I challenge you Rick to post my comment without any sarcastic remarks attached !!

Rick's comment: First Matt Faulk and now Cid, posting unkind and factually inaccurate remarks about gays and "challenging me" to post them. If you were honest, you would present proof to support your views.

You don't do that because you will not study the Bible let alone study the literature about sexual orientation. I challenge you Cid. Obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and start studying your Bible in context.

Don't read into the Bible your 21st century opinion. Instead, figure out the biblical, cultural, historical and religious context so you can understand what the Bible meant to the people to whom it was originally given.

Doing that will help you correctly interpret scripture AND will keep you from unjustly judging your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. God bless you Cid.

Sep 29, 2012
How can you twist the bible like this?
by: Anonymous

Mr. you make me so sad. You are drowning in your sin and are bringing people down with you. Your confusing people the way you twist all of this breaks my heart that you can't see the truth when it's staring you in the face. You my dear friend are enjoying your sin and are trying to make it okay. Take a look at the bible. He made Adam. Man. He made Adam I'm sure you are familiar with this story. He made Adam remember? God made him fall asleep and took a rib and made a woman. Not another man. Not two woman. But one man and one woman. If homosexuality is okay, than how come NOBODY but NOBODY in the bible who was used by God was Gay or Lesbian? They were all straight. I am not condeming you. For Jesus loved the sinners, and I will do the same. On homosexuality in Genisis brought death. Not life. Why would God destroy something if it were not evil? Leviticus 18:22 says," Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." It is not only in the Old Testament but brought over into the new. When Jesus died for sinners, he didn't want them to stay in their sin. He wanted them to surrender to Him and his love and know that they can be changed. Stop living this way. God's heart is breaking for you and his arms are wide open. Know God's heart. Don't mistake the enemy for your best friend. Satan has decived you. He has decieved ua all at one time. I have sinned, really bad in my life. But I don't go to the Bible and twist it so I could keep enjoying the things like Porn! God has his arms wide open! Accept them while you still can. :)

Rick's comment: If you're interested in truth, you may read this website and embrace truth. If not, you may continue in your ignorance. It's your choice, my friend.

Oct 20, 2012
Gods Law
by: Anonymous

You are taking Mathew way out of context , male and female it says not adulterer or homosexual. You want to justify your sin as someone else wants to justIfy being a fornicator or an adulterer. God loves each of these sinners but God hates the sin and He will not hear the prayers of sinful man. He will convIct you of your sin and show you His loving kindness that leads to repententance. Why is it that so many fornicators, adulterers, and homosexuals are under conviction all the time? Because its against Gods law.

Rick's comment: You are so silly and so ignorant of what the Bible says in context. Heterosexual Jewish men asked Jesus if it was okay for them to divorce their heterosexual wives for ANY CAUSE.

Jesus answered these heterosexual Jewish men, NO, it is NOT all right for you heterosexual Jewish men to divorce your heterosexual Jewish wives for any cause.

Why do you anti-gay Christians insist that Jesus' answer to these heterosexual Jewish men who wanted to keep divorcing their heterosexual wives for any cause means it is sinful to be gay?

I think you need to examine your own heart and see why you have such an unreasoning dislike for your gay brothers and lesbian sisters and such disregard for what the Bible says in context.

Oct 21, 2012
Homosexuality
by: JJ

Hello, I'm a non-practicing gay man. I've been told by many and shown that it's "wrong" and I am afraid I will not be forgiven or loved by Christ. I want to get to Heaven and see my loved ones who've gone before me. Please help clarify if a homosexual can be loved and forgiven by Christ. Can I be in a monogamous relationship in the future with a Christian gay man or is this also a sin?

Thank you for your information. If you can provide specific Bible citations, this would be helpful.

Rick's comment: Hi JJ - thanks for stopping by. This entire website does what you've asked. I explain each of the clobber passages - check the NavBar for the ones you want to study - and I also have an extensive Gay Christian FAQ where I answer questions about being gay and Christian.

I hope these resources bring peace to your heart and encourage you that YES, you can be gay and Christian and still be in the center of God's perfect will for your life.

And YES, you can be partnered with a man and enjoy sex with each other with God's blessing. I deal with that on the Gay Christian FAQ. God bless you JJ. Don't allow anti-gay Christians to kill your joy in the Lord.

Dec 13, 2012
Is our sex hardwired at birth?
by: Joe

NO it is not and this is a lie of the devil to keep you that way so when you die you will be taken to hell. Nobody likes to be told that what they do is wrong, so I don't expect you to jump for joy, but just google gays delivered from homosexuality and see that this in fact is done by God.

Rick's comment: Yes Joe, our sex IS hardwired at birth. You are either the victim of misinformation or you are intentionally spreading misinformation. If you are still interested in truth, you may enjoy reading about the miserable success record of Exodus International, the largest ex-gay organization on earth.

They now admit that their programs do not change anyone's sexual orientation. And there are no concrete examples of anyone anywhere whose sexual orientation God miraculously changed. Isn't it time you dealt honestly with this issue and admitted the truth?

Finally, I want to warn you to beware of the religious scam artists who run Deliverance Ministries. They will take your money, mess you up spiritually and leave you much worse off than they found you.

Jan 05, 2013
Does God Really Love The HOMOSEXUAL?
by: Anonymous

Yes God loves the homosexual, the rapist, the child abuser, and so on. He hates the sin. I was homosexual for 35 years from the age of seven Until the day from the bally of my fish I surrendered & said LORD brake me shatter me & remold me in your image. And with no pain no disruption in my nor than partner of 21 years life.

I have peace, joy & I have never been happier than I am now. 99.9% of homosexual relationships are chaotic, hurtful, betraying, cheating & unhappy.

Rick's comment: Wow, another Anonymous conversion story with obviously false statistics. You were gay from the age of 7, for 35 years. What about your partner of 21 years? No pain, no disruption with your partner? Really? NOW you are not gay but you don't give your name or any details anyone can check out. Hmmm, I wonder why?

Why because it’s not of GOD. We are born into sin than pastors from the Unitarian church try and tell homosexuals the word homosexual did not excist, well then let be real with it weather it was that word or a different word the term ment the same. thats not what he wants for his children whom he loves so much so many Unitarian pastors want to take Gods word and use for their own satisfaction. If God wanted men to be with men or women to be with women they would have been able to multiply and sorry dudes that are not going to happened neither is it for you dudets.

Rick's comment: The old if you can't reproduce argument. You want us to take that seriously dude? Yet for elderly or infertile heteros, you reject that argument. They CAN get married even if THEY cannot reproduce. So the real issue with you is not reproduction. You just don't like gays.

I pray all who want their name in the lamb’s book of life to surrender before God with a sincere hart and watch the hart be healed and the conversion will happened to you as well. I never thought in 100 years it would happen to me and by his grace and mercy it has.

Rick's comment: I'll be honest. I believe you are lying OR making it up about no longer being gay. If you were honest and serious, you would provide your full name and your town and your church home so your story can be checked out.

No person wants to hear "your going to hell your not loved, God Hates you. those word are so hurtful. he loves us and wants us to follow his rules

Rick's comment: God is NOT in the business of changing anyone's sexual orientation, as Exodus International now admits.

I repeat, there are no concrete examples of anyone anywhere whose sexual orientation God miraculously changed. Isn't it time you dealt honestly with this issue and admitted the truth?

Feb 01, 2013
God saves Gays
by: Anonymous

i encourage you to stick to god with your own opinions. you are too lost beyond repair. Only God can correct and save you

Feb 02, 2013
If You DARE
by: Anonymous

If you dare. ask GOD to reveal the truth to your hart's. Do you REALLY believe people are born homosexual? we were all born into sin and NO we were NOT born that way!!! he does not want us that way & yes he will remove it, if you want it removed. and all of you who want to start calling me ignorant think "would you talk to GOD that way?" I always ask God to remove anything in me and in my hart that was not of him. I WAS a lesbian from the age of 7 until the day I went into GODS presence. years between (MANY) I have never been the same! NEVER will I or do I have the desire to be with another women & the women i was with for 22 years loved me & i knew she did but it was not the love God intended for his children & she truly understands.

Rick always hides posts like this because he does not want the truth revealed but God is going to post this so all you that have not been given over to a retro bate mind will ask GOD to reveal the truth to you.

Rick's comment: Another Anonymous commenter who alleges she was a lesbian but now is not a lesbian. Yet you do not use your real name, your real town or your real church so we can check out your story. If Jesus saved and delivered you, why are you keeping it secret?

By the way, your story sounds like the same one I posted on January 5th.

Why are you lying and telling people I never post these stories? I hope you will get the spiritual help you need. May the Lord deal with your conscience and encourage you to memorize and obey Ephesians 4:25.

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

Feb 08, 2013
Love In His Name
by:

I myself am not gay. But that doesn't really matter. I believe that loving one another and accepting each other is what we need to do on this earth. Gay or not. If we have accepted God in our hearts and asked for forgiveness we ourselves are saved. Let's just be kind! Share his word to the unsaved and pray that God can help those with hatred towards "gays". We're all human. God loves us all equally. I hope this might have enlightened someone!

Feb 13, 2013
wow
by: Anonymous

Satan is gettn a strong hold on america. wow.

Mar 10, 2013
christian
by: amber

Its a sin to have sex before marriage but and lesbian can't marry legal so what do we do just not have sex? This all seems so twisted.

Rick's comment: Here are links with insight on the question you asked. Hope it's helpful Amber.

When is it appropriate for a same sex couple to begin a sexual relationship?

Since gay couples cannot legally marry is sex in a committed relationship sin?

How can I reconcile being lesbian and Christian?

How can immoral homosexual relationships be Christlike?

If you're a gay Christian does God still love you?

How can I get saved?

Jul 30, 2013
Spiritual man and spiritual woman
by: Anonymous

What if God is looking at our spiritual sexuality and not our fleshly spirituality? What if you are a woman in the spirit? Why would God choose to make people born a certain way and not act on it? I knew my cousin was gay since he was a toddler. That's God's work. God makes all things Good.

Nov 17, 2013
What an eunuch is
by: Tom

Everyone on here is quoting Matthew 19:12 which is talking about divorce and some people that don't have to worry about divorce. Matthew 19:12 isn't talking about homosexuals it uses the word eunuchs which does not mean homosexual. So an eunuch is a man who is castrated, some one who has ED, celibate, or asexual.

Rick's comment: Hi Tom - I'm SO glad to know God saved you from a life of drunkenness and that you are now growing as a Christian and reading the Bible.

Yet on the issue of eunuchs you are wrong. The term eunuch in ancient times DID include gays and lesbians. Not all eunuchs were gay but some were. Some eunuchs were gay.


(Matthew 19:1-12 NIV) - "...I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

My pastor has taught me never to take one verse out of the bible because you can twist the way it is really supposed to mean so you have to look at the verses around that one too. Also to repent means to go the opposite way you were going so to do a complete 180. In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 it says some of you were ONCE like that but you were cleansed from your sin. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

Thank you and I hope this helped someone. I was once lost I was a drunk and Jesus has completely changed me. No matter what your worst sin is He can help you turn from it. Love you guys and God bless!

Rick's comment: Tom, be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 and "search the scriptures daily whether those things are so." I praise God for your enthusiasm and joy in the Lord. But please do not be so quick to condemn your gay brothers and lesbian sisters in Christ when you haven't yet studied this issue. Many thanks!


May 05, 2014
So tired of church people judging others
by: MINISTER JOHNNY COTNER

I am just now beginning to understand gays, lesbians and transgendered people. I believe God wants me to help the churches understand GLBT people too. If you want to share your story, you can find me on Facebook under, Minister Johnny Cotner.

Rick's comment: Hi Johnny - It will be helpful to read our Gay Christian FAQ to grow your understanding of what gay Christians believe.

May 13, 2014
Be perfect, said Jesus
by: JC

This is impossible for us; bu all things are possible with Jesus. Any sin requires Jesus; but Jesus requires repentance. Greed and sexual immorality are the big two. Greed says money will get you there and you can not serve two masters. Sexual immorality is outside the "fence" of a marriage covenant to God; that only God defined in the very first place.

Rick's comment: Hi JC - you call us insane and then expect us to post everything you wrote? No way dude.

Besides, via justification by faith, I'm already perfect in Christ Jesus my Savior.

Jul 13, 2014
You are a liar
by: Too cowardly to use my name

You are telling people what there itchy ears want to hear! You are a dark angel who came to teach it is okey by a Holy God to be gay and to stay doing gay sex in front of Jesus.

Rick's comment: Hi Too cowardly - so based on your intensive study of the Bible, you've decided that I am wrong, a liar AND a dark angel? LOL - thanks for letting us know.

Nov 03, 2014
God has an opinion
by: Adryian

"Yes, God wants gays to stay gay because that's the way He made them."

Rick Brentlinger, I respectfully have to disagree. Genesis 1:27 says, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Genesis 1:28 says, "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

The command from God is to be fruitful and multiply. Only a man and woman can fulfill this command. A man and another man can't. A woman and another woman can't either.

Furthermore, we can see that being gay is an abomination to God. Leviticus 20:13 says, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Rick's comment: Hi Adryian - "be fruitful and multiply" Genesis 1:28, was given to Adam and Eve when they were the only two people on earth. As of Nov 3, 2014, there are 7 billion 202 million people on earth and that number grows every second of every day. The human race has been fruitful and has multiplied exponentially.

Do you also insist that an infertile man and woman cannot reproduce therefore they cannot marry?

Do you also insist that an elderly man and woman cannot reproduce therefore they cannot marry? One could easily wonder if you simply have a prejudice against gays and lesbians.

That you believe Lev 20:13 indicts gays and makes them subject to the death penalty is unkind and mean-spirited. I encourage you to think, read, study and expand your limited knowledge base. Comments like the ones you've made here are offensive and indicate your fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible.

Shrine prostitutes in Leviticus.

Feb 14, 2015
Living both life styles
by: Terrye

I was married for 16 yrs with my husband. Raised 4 children . Then entered a lesbian relationship for 16 yrs. This has always been a touchy subject. Worrying wether another goes to heaven should be left to the individual who will face God. It is not my place to decide who goes to heaven or hell. Who can cast the first stone. My final conclusion. I am no longer in a lesbian relationship. I live for God. What wrong with this world is lack of love. No one can sit in the judgement seat on deciding who enters or not. We should be concerned with our own walk of life. Pray for others is what our calling is to do. Deciding fate of another does not lie in my hands. I have two two children that have partners. I don't see them as hell bond. I see them as my children. As our father in heaven sees them. When our own children don't walk the line we want, do you stop loving them. No, it's unconditional. So, the bottom line is love. Not judge. Thank you for your time.

Apr 03, 2015
fooling yourself
by: mike

anyone can twist the word of God to suit it according to one's preferences and it is really easy. But the fact is that the word of God never changes. And it never has. so in trying to change the word of God you are making fool of yourself and also trying to fool others.

Rick's comment: Hi Mike - Accusing me of twisting and changing the word of God is the knee-jerk reaction of a guy who doesn't want to think or study the Bible. Today is Good Friday and your assignment is to read, memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15. Do.it.today. Many thanks.

What must I do to be saved?

Apr 09, 2015
No!
by: Ladybird

Once you get saved God doesn't want you to remain in your sin. and You are sooo wrong! God didn't make people gay. God made male and female to be together. You can't walk with God and run with the devil. Why would God want you to remain in the abominable sin that being gay is?!?

Rick's comment: Hi Ladybird - Please allow me to encourage you to keep reading and studying your Bible. God has much truth for you to embrace if your heart is open to truth.

Aug 15, 2015
The Earth is now full.
by: kevin J

Two facts to keep in mind:

1: God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Not their children; not you not me. A certain percentage of their offspring were gay, sterile, etc., but God didn't seem to mind.

2: The full commandment was to be fruitful, multiply, and fill the face of the earth. They obeyed; the command was fulfilled a while ago. Millions of people starve to death each year. Last time I checked, humans are not on the endangered species list.

My gay son assured me if there were some kind of plague or apocalypse and the population dwindled to dangerously low numbers, he would definitely step up and find a way to have hetero sex to save the human race. Likewise, my lesbian coworker promised that if it ever came to that, she would be willing to "take one for the team".

All opinions are not equally valid, brothers and sisters. If your opinion goes against the facts, it's invalid. Get a new one.

Aug 25, 2015
Gays go to Heaven
by: Charlie

I know for a fact gays do go to Heaven. Yes the NIV translation did a lousy thing in the way they interpret things. The churches of men condemn all gays to hell for all eternity. God will cause them to have shame when they see homosexuals in Heaven. They do not understand the scriptures that David and Jonathan had a gay relationship.

Remember when Saul got angry with Jonathan he said, "Do you think I do not know of your relationship with that shepherd boy much to your mother's shame?" If you read that carefully you will see how Jonathan loved David as his own soul and yes, they did have sexual relationships.

God does create some people gay and He does not deny Heaven to them either. Remember when Jesus was on earth, he told the self righteous Pharisees, "I tell you the truth, the prostitutes and sinners who you reject will enter into the Kingdom before you will. Okay the same is true for today.

God is telling the self righteous churches again, "I tell you the truth, gays and all rejects of your churches will enter the Kingdom before you." For all you who are gay and have been cursed and rejected by the churches, I am sorry they caused you pain. They are ignorant and judgmental, afraid and self righteous.

Rick's comment: Hi Charlie - I believe that LGBTs will also go to heaven IF they are saved. Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. No human works and no religious works are involved in getting saved.

What must I do to be saved?

Aug 26, 2015
Rick
by: Charlie

Hi, I posted on your site a few days ago. I noticed you sent me to a link on how to be saved. I am uncertain where you stand on things. I do not know if you are gay or straight and how you view gays being Christian. I am a gay man and believe and know Yeshua created me this way. I do not live in a life of sin nor darkness nor deception. I am just not sure where Rick stands on anything. So this is mainly just a curiosity question and I sure hope it was okay to ask.:)

Rick's comment: Hi Charlie - This website defends LGBTs against unfair and unbiblical attacks from the anti-gay crowd. I too am a gay Christian man. From time to time, I put a link in my response to a comment to explain how to be saved.

Many of the folks who read these comments are religious but not saved. Some of the folks who comment or read comments are professing gay Christians yet they have never been born again. My heart's desire and prayer to God is that they will come to know the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior.

Rick's personal testimony and coming out story.

Aug 27, 2015
Thanks Rick
by: Charlie

Rick, I appreciate the way you take a stand for all of us. I too grew up a Baptist and heard all my life how all homosexuals are going to hell for all eternity. I have been hurt deeply by Christians and even by one bisexual brother whom I loved dearly in the Lord and he too condemns me to hell. I love the Lord God with all my heart soul and mind and I write Christian poetry a lot as well. come to think of it, I have been hurt and rejected often by the gay community just for being a deaf guy who now lives with Cochlear Implants in a hearing world. Rick, I love you my precious brother in the Lord. (Singing) You are my friend--saint of God--Together we'll walk where angels trod. You are my friend, my beautiful friend--together we'll walk with the Lord. May it even be so---Amen

Sep 26, 2015
Confused
by: Bo

All through the Bible marriage appears to be the only place where "sexual relations" are allowed. If gay people can't marry they would not be allowed to have sex. None of the scripture ever talks about same sex marriage. I'm troubled by the notion that a good God would create such a large number of people who would be denied the joys of sex just because God wanted them to be that way. I'm confused!

Rick's comment: Hi Bo - The best way to get unconfused is to read the New Testament every day and start reading through this website. God IS a good God, He DOES love us and He WILL bless you and answer your prayers when you get saved.

Please keep in touch and let me know how things are going as you start reading the New Testament and this website.

P.S. - The BEST Bible to read is the old King James Version. It is a lot more accurate than the newer versions. But if you don't have a King James Version, then read what you have until you can get one.

Feb 01, 2016
Gay Christian
by: Richard

I am no way an expert on the Bible, but there are certain things that are VERY clear to me. And how they can be interpreted any other way is beyond me. The Bible clearly states in several places that homosexuality is a sin.

It doesn't beat around the bush, it says it pretty clearly. As clearly as it states that we shall not steal or murder. Do the same people that think homosexuality is not a sin, then think that it's ok for people to steal, or murder??

You say that people like myself are taking things out of context? What about yourselves? You are interpreting the Bible to serve your own needs or desires

There have been studies done on sexual orientation, several conclude that people are not born into homosexuality, but is a personal choice. There is NO proof that you are born that way.

Rick's comment: Hi Richard - You opened with: "I am no way an expert on the Bible..." That is evident from your comments. Around here, we deal with facts and with God's truth, not opinions.

This website contains hundreds of pages of carefully sourced truthful information. A wise Christian would not reject that information simply because he hasn't heard it before. Wise Christians keep an open heart and mind and "search the scriptures daily whether those things are so."

Are you a wise Christian?

Oct 28, 2016
God's law) never changes
by: Anna

My comment should not be construed as judgement or hate. It is the Word of God.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Lev 18:22

Leviticus 18:24, 30 reads, "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

Rick's comment: Hi Anna - the verses you cited are talking about ancient shrine prostitution, not homosexuality. Wise Christians always read the Bible in context, factoring in the biblical, cultural, doctrinal, historical, linguistic and religious context to make sure they get the interpretation right.

Quoting a verse apart from its context and then insisting the verse means something it didn't mean in context indicates lack of knowledge or lack of experience or deliberate deception.

Shrine Prostitutes


The verses above from Leviticus are in a section of the Bible that lists immoral acts and the penalties for them. Homosexual activities are listed right alongside other immoral acts such as having sex with animals, incestuous relationships, adultery, etc.

God does not say that this behavior is something that you should have "gay pride" about. God calls it a sexual sin and says that because of such practices, the nations in the land were being cast out.

Rick's comment: None of those verses is talking about two gay guys or two gay gals falling in love and spending their lives together as a couple. The context is shrine prostitutes and shrine prostitution - that is what God and Moses intend to prohibit.

Leviticus 18:24, 30 reads, "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

Leviticus 20:13. It reads, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Rick's comment: The context is shrine prostitutes using sex to worship the pagan gods and goddesses who infested the land of Canaan. God forbids His people to worship false gods. The verses have nothing to do with being gay or gay married.


NEW TESTAMENT

2 Timothy 3:1-5 reads - 'This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.'

Romans 1:24-28, reads - "Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves, who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the women, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly (shameful), and receiving in themselves the recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient." - God bless you

Rick's comment: The Romans 1 verses are talking about shrine prostitutes and shrine prostitution. Even anti-gay conservative commentators agree with gays on the context of Romans 1.

Romans 1 and shrine prostitution

Anna, please consider how great is your sin when you rip verses out of context, attach a false meaning to the verses and then use the out of context verses and your false meaning to attack your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

Doing that is ungodly and not Christ-like.

Oct 30, 2016
Yes Gay people go to Heaven without changing
by: Charlie

Yes gay people do go to Heaven Many gay people are like monks meaning they don't go around having sex a lot. Prayers for Bobby written by his mother and later becoming a TV movie explains it best. The mother learned too late, after her son committed suicide that nothing was wrong with Bobby. Too many gay people are driven to suicide by gay bashers who try to change them and when they do not change, they are blamed by saying they did not have faith to change. Hogwash!

Rick's comment: Hi Charlie - I received your three comments including the poem you wrote, which seems to be talking about suicide. I hope you will not harm yourself.

Instead, trust God to get you through this difficult time. He will not fail you.

I cannot publish your poem or your other comment but I am praying for you.

Your brother in Christ, Pastor Rick

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