Does 1 Cor 7:2 exclude gays and lesbians from marriage?

by Grant
(near L.A.)

No, 1 Corinthians 7:2 does not exclude gay and lesbians from a same sex marriage richly blessed by God. Many anti-gay christians wrongly interpret words which describe marriage in the Bible, in order to attack gays and lesbians. When God describes Adam, a male and Eve, a female, in Genesis 2, according to the anti-gay crowd, He leaves no room to affirm any other marriage relationships, like two men or two women or polygamous marriages.

When God says in 1 Corinthians 7:2, that every man should have his own wife and every woman should have her own husband, according to the anti-gay crowd, He leaves NO ROOM to affirm any relationship except one man with one woman. "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." KJV, 1 Cor 7:2

The anti-gay crowd argues that God intentionally used language in these verses which excludes any possibility that two men or two women could get married. They reason, If God had wanted us to believe it's okay for two men or two women to marry, He would have said so and since God didn't write it the way they think He should have, they will never accept gay and lesbians getting married.

How can gays answer
such goofy illogic?

1. We answer with logic and common sense. Is their illogic a thoughtful way to interpret scripture? Here is a practical example why it may not be. The Bible clearly says, charging usury (interest) when you loan your brother money, is wrong and you're not to do it, Leviticus 25:36-37, Deuteronomy 23:19. "Take thou no usury (interest) of him." Leviticus 25:36

To be consistent in dealing with verses which express gender, we MUST take God's use of words at face value, according to the anti-gay crowd. Gender is important and if God uses a word indicating gender, then we MUST read that in a strictly literal way.

Charge men interest? No!
Charge women interest? Yes!

Let's apply the "literal logic" of the anti-gay crowd and see how it works out. It is wrong and sinful to charge your BROTHER interest but it is not wrong to charge your wife, sister, daughter, aunt or grandma interest. Just as God carefully pointed out that marriage involves him and her, one male and one female, He carefully limits His prohibition on charging interest to males. Males are the only ones God says you may not charge interest to.

The "literal logic" the anti-gay crowd uses against gays and lesbians who want to marry a same sex partner, also "proves" from the Bible that in ancient Israel, it was perfectly okay to charge interest to any female Israelite as long as you didn't charge interest to male Israelites.

Obviously, that is a childish, goofy and sophomoric way to understand the Bible. God isn't that silly and we should not be that silly. God was not saying that Israelites could not charge interest to males but could charge interest to women. And God was not saying in 1 Cor 7 that only one man and one woman could marry each other. In the Old Testament polygamy was a biblical family value, blessed and honored by God.

Women are NOT sinners!
Men are sinners!

2. Our example for this "absurd but logical by anti-gay standards" teaching is Romans 5:12. "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12, KJV

Using the "literal logic" of the anti-gay crowd, this verse teaches us that WOMEN are NOT sinners. We pay careful attention to the gender language God uses in Romans 5:12, as the anti-gay crowd does in 1 Cor 7, and discover that Adam's sin ONLY passed on to all his male descendants. Obviously sin did NOT pass on to any women because God only mentions men. If God wanted us to believe that women were also sinners, He would have said so.

Of course, any student of the Bible can easily discover that the Greek word translated men in Romans 5:12, ἄνθρωπος or anthrōpos, is a generic masculine noun which describes all of mankind, men and women.

Do you see how silly their "literal logic" is when we apply it the way they apply it - with no study, no context, no grasp of the meaning of the Greek text behind the English words, no attempt to understand the spirit and not just the letter of the text? We can now draw conclusions from what the Bible actually says in context instead of what it is presumed to teach.

Thoughtful Conclusions

  1. In the Bible, God blessed marriages different than the Adam and Eve marriage. It does no injustice to scripture to believe that today, God blesses gay marriages which are within the Biblical moral framework - committed, faithful, non-cultic.

  2. We do not have the right to interpret some verses like 1 Cor 7 in an illogically literal way (one male with one female only) and then refuse to interpret other verses in the same illogically literal way, like verses about usury or verses about sin, Romans 5:12.

  3. God's grace allowed Him to bless Abraham and Sarah even though their marriage was an incestuous brother-sister marriage (Abraham himself admits this fact), Genesis 20:2, 12, 16, which was also polygamous, Genesis 16:1-3 where Hagar is called Abraham's wife, and included concubines with whom Abraham had sex and sired children, Genesis 25:1-6.

    Most modern Christians, including gays and lesbians, would never accept incestuous or polygamous marriages today nor would they accept concubines. Yet incestuous brother-sister marriages and polygamous marriages were culturally acceptable in ancient times, represented biblical family values and God affirmed and blessed those cultural situations and left us a clear record of His blessing in scripture.

    Common sense and personal experience tell us God blesses gay and lesbian marriages which are committed, faithful, non-cultic. And today (October, 2014), 19 U.S. states accept gay marriage as a legal institution and 11 more states are in line to make gay marriage legal as their cases wend their way through the courts.

    So to answer your question, No, 1 Cor 7:2 does not exclude gays and lesbians from marriages which God will richly and abundantly bless.

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Feb 08, 2012
This is really a stretch
by: Michael

Be logical here. If God specifically states each man has his own WIFE and each woman has her own HUSBAND.....he's being very specific. I truly am tired of people saying so much of the Bible is figurative rather than literal. It's not. Yes there are some figurative areas...Revelation in large part.

But most of the Bible is literal and the "interpretation" argument is destroying our morals. I have tried to do it in my own life plenty of times so I know what it's like. We MUST stop looking at the Bible through sin-stained glasses and attempt to do so through God's eyes.

Remember, few will make it to heaven.

Feb 09, 2012
Did you carefully read the post you commented on?
by: Rick Brentlinger

Rick's comment: Michael, I believe you're ignoring the common sense approach and instead, adopting an inflexible literalism that the Holy Spirit never intended.

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. " -1 Cor 7:2

The scriptural principle is that the God who created all of us with sexual needs intends our sexual needs to be met within the spiritual and emotional shelter of a committed relationship.

Because 95% of humanity is heterosexual, God couches His instructions in heterosexual language. That scripture mentions wives and husbands in no way excludes gay men and lesbians from needing and having committed relationships which are every bit as honored, blessed and sanctified by God as heterosexual marriages.

I'm not sure why you believe that few will be saved (unless you are a Calvinist, in which case, your unscriptural view makes perfect sense because it fits with the rest of Calvinism's silly views) when scripture says something far different. If you're going off Jesus' words in Matthew 7, please factor in these verses too.

Here's what Jesus says about how many people will be saved, Revelation 1:1.

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;" Revelation 5:9

"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man can number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;" Revelation 7:9

God assures us that a great multitude will be saved from all nations, so many people that no one can number them. The way God presents it, so many people get saved they are without number. Jesus taught His disciples the same wonderful truth.

"And I say unto you, Many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 8:11.

"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24:31

May 15, 2012
Deception happens too though
by: Anonymous

I for one believe Jesus used the terms wife and husband because he assumed at the time that it was how the pharisees viewed a marriage, Jesus was usually pretty clear and accurate in his comments and rarely left any room for other crap really. The bible gives statements that indicate homosexuality to be a sin and against the will of God:
Leviticus 18:22 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Leviticus 20:13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
I Cor 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"

The bible does warn us that those who arent coming to God with a soft heart , loving God and wiling to give up their life and the things of the world for the sake of the Lord will be given a great deception which will cause them to fall deeper away from salvation. I believe that to be true for those who reject the laws given by justifying their sins trhough the use or exploitation of single sentence quotes of the bible, a true student of the bible doesnt waste time with one line quotes because a true student of the bible understads that the bible is meant to be understood through full texts( usually a paragraph at a time but sometimes more)

For example Ive seen poeple who like to vent their cruelty on animals try to justify themselves through the quote where Jesus asks his disciple if they arent worth more than the birds, yet the text in question isnt about Jesus claiming superiority of humans but about having faith, the subject addressed in that text if FAITH, and Jesus used his disciple's beliefs in their superiority over the animal kingdom to support his teaching, he didnt declare it ok to kill animals for fun, not one bit. Just like genesis describes two sister getting their father drunk to have incestuous relations with him does not condone incest at all, leviticus is very clear that incest is not acceptable.

Some poeple try to use the fact that we dont have many of the words of Jesus recorded( out of 66 books only 4 quote Jesus and they all tell the same story just in 4 different ways) to justify everything wicked, that because Jesus was not quoted saying anything about a subject then it must be ok, if Jesus wasnt quoted saying anything against pedophilia, torturing penguins, beastiality, cutting your wife's toes while she sleeps, assasinating bad presidents or shooting babies from a good old cannon, does that make it acceptable? I personally think there is a very special place in hell for those who torture penguins......

Jun 15, 2012
deceptions happen too, though
by: amy

Sorry to be trite, but I laughed at your entry. You think there is a special place in Hell for people who torture penguins?

I mean, there probably is, and strangely, I think I may understand your point. But then again, maybe not. :)

Oct 15, 2012
by: Amelia

I'm always so greatly amused when people consistently quote Leviticus as a way to prove that homosexuality is "against God". First off, the literal Hebrew word used is abomination or forbidden. Not "hated", not "against God". He gave these rules to keep the Israelites pure and separate from the polytheistic cultures surrounding them (Lev. 18:1-4) Outside of that context, God has made no mention of those rules.

If you are truly choosing to use Leviticus (and many other parts of the Old Testament) as a guide for your life, you'll be having to follow the other statements mentioned as well. Let's take a quick gander at those just to make sure you are following all of your chosen rules-

--If you disrespect your father or mother, you should be killed. "For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him." (Leviticus 20:9)

-- Feel free to have slaves! "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

-- No sex during a woman's period or you should be thrown out of your families. "If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has discovered her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from her people." (Leviticus 20:18)

-- Full beards and long flowing locks only. "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (Leviticus 19:27)

--No pork products for you, my friend! "...and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you." (Leviticus 11:7)

--No modern clothing materials! " not plant your field with two kinds of seed. Do not wear material woven of two kinds of material." (Leviticus 19:19)

--No seafood or fish! "But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you." (Leviticus 11:10)

Multiple times in the New Testament the laws were revoked as being no longer necessary:

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John [the Baptist]: since that time the kingdom of heaven is preached.

Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 6:14
Ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:4, 6
Ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ .... We are delivered from the law, that being dead.

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Oct 16, 2012
Please realize
by: Michael

Please realize that I do not wish to condemn those who are homosexuality. That is not my place. I do, however, wish to help bring about the realization that it IS a sin because I care for those who deal with it and wish for their salvation.

To those who are saying that we cannot follow Leviticus law at all, I agree on points, but remember that the things from Leviticus that no longer apply were addressed in the New Testament as not being required anymore. For everything else, refer to Matthew 5:17...

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Then, if we move on to Romans 1:26 - 27, we see references to the sins of homosexuality...

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

I know that the common excuse that the gay community comes up with is, "That's not talking about regular homosexual sex. That's talking about rape or homosexual sex with minors," or something like that. The problem is that there is no backing for that argument. In fact, I know that one of the arguments is that the Bible refers specifically to homosexual prostitution. But that seems pointless. If prostitution were the problem He wanted to address, I imagine He would refer to ANY prostitute since that is obviously wrong.

The Bible DOES say things like "lie with men as they would women," and speaks of women doing "unnatural acts" with other women, and refers to them being wrong....sinful.

But the major thing I need to point out here...the vital point is that we all sin. We all have crap in our lives we have to repent for and ask forgiveness for. But there is a difference between those who are seeking repentance and those who are "living in their sin." You see, those who are living in their sin CANNOT have a relationship with God because He cannot be in the presence of sin. However, those of us who are repenting of our struggles and asking for forgiveness and turning away from them are able to draw close to God and have a relationship with Him.

I understand that (of course) those who are gay are going to fight this with every fiber of their being... I'm sure he struggles daily, but he also has committed his life to God and understands that God's wisdom is so much greater than his. I hope those of you who are gay come to the same realization. I want to see you there

Rick's comment: You need to do more Bible study. Start clicking on the NavBar. You are WAY. off. base. Many thanks.

Oct 18, 2012
More research?
by: Michael

You commented by saying that I need to do more research. You state that I need to do more Bible studying (or maybe you think "better" Bible studying). What I didn't get from you was anything refuting a single point I made.

I did see that toward the end of that I somehow accidentally deleted a portion of my comment before I posted it. In the last paragraph, I was talking about an old friend of the family who deals with his homosexuality in a way that is proper. He doesn't do it. He fights it by sticking to His vow to God.

Anyway, if you have an actual rebuttal, go ahead and comment back. The Bible holds the only truth, and when read with nonobjective eyes, it speaks that truth to you. I know how hard that is. I want to fight it constantly. I deal with my own struggles of desiring to look at inappropriate things. But I am fighting it every day, and God is making me stronger and stronger. I don't understand what you're going through completely, but I know how hard it is to fight sin. It's worth it.

Rick's comment: This entire website refutes your position. For example, you ASSUME that Romans 1 is talking about lesbians and gays yet you have never studied Romans 1:26-27 and you couldn't prove your assertion if you did study it because historical facts contradict your belief. I hope you will keep studying because the views you express are not supported historically or scripturally and at the Judgment Seat of Christ, you will give account for what you teach.

It's best to know what you're talking about and to get it right instead of teaching your opinion as if your opinion is gospel truth. Thanks for stopping by.

Nov 06, 2012
Zane WVA
by: Anonymous

I'm so tired of this debate. If God didn't want gay people around, he has the option to kill us all. Obviously there's no cure for it, so rather than hide, i'm going to come out and enjoy life. I don't care who hates me for being gay because God loves me no matter what. And yes its true, a lot of people won't get into heaven, and its mostly the religious nuts who won't.

Nov 07, 2012
by: Anonymous

God had the option to kill you all? Really? 1. Have you ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah? (I know what you believe concerning that...I don't need your lecture). 2. When did God really ever wipe any people off the face of the earth besides with the flood? Never. That's just a silly comment. And when it comes to your other comment...

Quit playing the part of the victim. I'M tired of hearing about "Oh, everybody hates me." You're not HATED. You're wrong. I could say the same thing about my struggles with lust. "Oh God made me this way, and there's obviously no cure, so I guess I'm supposed to lust uncontrollably. You're not a victim. You're just too lazy to fight the sin inside you.

Rick's comment: Wow, aren't you a blizzard of ignorance! I completely understand why you chose to remain Anonymous. It's easier to vent your spleen and still maintain an aura of spirituality when no one knows who you are.

Nov 10, 2012
Reply to anonymous Nov 7 2012
by: Zane Wv

Well yes, God has the ability to kill us or make us straight. And "praying away the gay" hasn't worked yet. God put no limits on love or salvation, its free to all who choose it. As for Sodom and Gomorrah, Ezekiel 16:49-50.

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and
abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen
the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them
away as I saw good.

So yes I know what happened there. There are no verses speaking about homosexuality, and Leviticus was written for the Israelites, Lev 18:1-3.

We are victims of people like you, who mis-read the bible and think its okay to harass, beat and murder gay people. So YES WE ARE HATED BY MANY. As for lust, you choose to lust over someone, gay people cannot choose who to love but to accept themselves as God's children. God loves us all, gay and straight, and you sir are blasphemous and a liar. God Bless!

Jan 28, 2013
by: Anonymous

Twisting, twisting, twisting.

Rick's comment: Amazing and unbelievable. You Anonymous folks rip verses out of context. Then you insist the out of context verses mean something they never meant in context. Then when we point out the context, you ignore it and accuse us of twisting scripture. Amazing, simply amazing! We'll see you at the judgment seat of Christ where God will sort out your false teaching.

Jan 28, 2013
by: anna

If you are truly saved, don't seek mans wisdom. Ask for God to give you wisdom and He will give it to you.

Rick's comment: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." - James 1:5

Feb 11, 2013
God help us!
by: Dee

It is really interesting how people debate over what the Word of God means! Scripture clearly states that the Bible is not up for private interpretation. What is obvious is the fact that many use the Bible to fit there lifestyles instead of lining up their lifestyles to fit the Bible. If any one of us really wants to know what God is saying, spend time in prayer and fellowship with God. Yes, He loves us all but does not love sin. Let's stop beating up each other with the scriptures and love everyone into true repentance. In closing I will say this, live as you please (prayerfully as the Word instructs) and let God be your judge and then at the appointed time, you will know what He really meant!

Feb 17, 2013
Lust versus love
by: Zane

So for your comment of me being a victim, I am only a victim of being born into this horrible world. I could care less who hates me for being gay. And yes, God has the capability to heal people from being gay, or blind, or ill, but being healed from being gay hasn't happened ever.

You miss the whole point of love/lust idea. Loving someone is not and will never be a sin, lusting over someone is. If you read the creation story, Eve was a fit helper for Adam. As for Sodom and Gomorrah, it has nothing to do with gay people, its about inhospitality, gluttony, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness, as well as not caring for the poor and needy. God would never destroy a city with people who cared about each other.

Each of the 6 verses in the bible used against gays were for specific points in history and for a specific group of people. The Bible is a history book, it tells us what happened, and the consequences suffered by those people.

While I believe in God, and that God is love, forgiveness, and hope, The Catholic church has re-written, as well as added and removed parts of the Bible as they see fit. God also warned about changing his words but they did it anyway.

But anyway, gay men and women have been around long before the birth of Jesus. If there weren't gay people, the human population would be so bad that the governments would have to start killing people.

Apr 03, 2013
To all literalists
by: Anonymous

Everyone who wants to read the bible literally and quotes "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable", here is my response.

A gay man does NOT lie with a man as he does with a woman. For one, he does not have any with a woman. Even more generically, his sexual relationship is different since men do not have vaginas. Similarly with lesbians. Since neither have a penis. Actually, that sentence does not even apply to them since they are not men!

Apr 04, 2013
This is ridiculous
by: Michael

I am not angry at homosexuals. I am not homophobic. But I am ANGRY at those who use the Scripture for their own selfish purposes. I am angry at the diluting of Scripture because you can't take the reality of it. I am not even going to use a Levitical argument, but dude....can't lie with a man as with a woman?....REALLY? Are you that far gone that you can't see the ridiculousness of your comment? Why would God even have that in His Scriptures if it wasn't possible?

And Jesus didn't need to "assume" anything. He is God. He knew His words would supersede generations. This argument is silly. There are gay people on here who are, of course, going to fight for what they want to be true...whether or not it fits Biblical definitions. Whatever. I don't even care because I have come to the realization (a recent epiphany) that God tells us that the meaning behind Scripture is foolishness to the lost. I'm not trying to tell anybody here that they aren't saved because that is not my place to judge, but my job is to speak the truth, no matter who it offends.

Somebody spoke to the idea that Jesus didn't put any restrictions on love. My goodness, you couldn't be further from the truth. For instance, that means that you are telling me that if a man truly felt love for a 6 yr. old girl, and she loved him back, it's ok if they have sex...right? This is an extreme, but I hope it demonstrates my point.

I truly don't want to argue. I want people to see where they fall short and repent. I struggle with lust and the desire to look at pornography. I fall short occasionally. That is something that God has not taken from me, and I must deal with it every single day. That doesn't mean God is ok with it simply because I have a natural inclination to do it. It means that I have to be in God's Word and pray on a regular basis to keep my mind and spirit strong for the attacks. God DOES speak to homosexuality as it being a sin. If it is not, then neither is premarital sex, and apparently I wasted years of promiscuous fun before I met my wife....but I know that isn't true.

Repentance is the key, and those living a lifestyle of sin cannot be repentant because they are continuing in that sin. The Bible tells us that there will be many who think they are going to heaven and don't find out until it's too late that they were wrong. Don't let that be you simply because you want to hold on to your sin.

On a final note, this is not a discussion that Christians should have to waste their time with. Jesus said, "Go and sin no more" to so many people. That should be our motto. We should be discussing how to bring more people to Christ. The problem is that we cannot bring people to Christ if we are still in the dark ourselves. I know for a fact that you (at least most of you) desire with all your hearts to be close to God as do I. I just know that you are shooting yourselves in the foot holding on to this belief. God bless.

Jun 04, 2013
wow on the highway to hell
by: Anonymous

Simply amazing this man's dishonesty - twisting the scriptures to fit in with his way of life. Anybody who quotes scripture automatically is taking the scripture out of context that is his pat response. And to top it off he's snooty!

Rick's comment: LOL - Another gutless wonder who does't have the C.A. Jones to put his real name with his silly comments. Can you spell: M-O-R-A-L C-O-W-A-R-D?

What must I do to be saved?

Jul 09, 2013
This Hurt Me
by: Josh

I just read through this entire thread and at the end of it, I am exhausted, beat down, and more confused than when I started reading.

A bit about myself, I am gay. I recognize some of you may disagree with that statement alone or find it sinful for me to identify with it, but all I mean by is that I am attracted to other men. I have been my entire life, and the feelings are primarily unwanted and unwarranted. But they are present.

I have grown up Christian and my faith in Jesus Christ means more to me than anything else. I seek to honor Him in all that I do and if He asks me to give up anything, my big toe, my hair color, or acting on my feelings for other men, out of obedience, I will willingly consent.

I have grown up in an environment that was nothing but hostile to gay people and I was always taught that my feelings were a temptation and that to act on them was sinful. But lately, as a result of listening to the Spirit and spending a great deal of time in solitude reading the gospels and Paul's letters, those beliefs have become a little less certain. I realize that this seems as heresy to many of you, and if you would have talked to me six months ago, I would have ENTIRELY agreed with you. I still personally feel called to remain celibate, but I can no longer say for certainty that God demands that of all gay people. Perhaps you think I'm wrong, but it's an area of great pain in my life and I wrestle enough without the harsh words of other people.

That's what hurt me most while reading this. Thankfully, I have a strong faith in Christ and nothing that was said here is going to shake that; but that's not true for everyone. Imagine someone else whose faith is not as strong as mine or yours and that struggles with homosexual feelings came upon this blog looking for answers or even just with questions about God and His view.

Jul 09, 2013
This Hurt Me Part 2
by: Josh

We as Christians in this thread have done a terrible job of representing Christ (not all of us, but many of us). Even if we believe we are speaking truth, it has not been rooted in grace or love or understanding or empathy. It has been harsh and sharp and jaded; it has hurt me and I would consider myself a firm Christian. What's worse, there is certainly not much written here that would convince me to explore Christianity further. Not based upon the way we have reflected Christ here.

We can argue about our opinions on homosexuality until we go blue in the face, but if we lack love, the very thing Christ died to give us, we accomplish nothing. Whether or not homosexuality hurts the heart of God is one thing, but when we as a body of Christ speak rashly, even when we believe we are rooted in truth, and drive people away from Him, we can be CERTAIN that hurts Him. Even if your theology is right, your actions can quickly become wrong simply because of the unrighteous anger and arrogance that motivates them.

All I'm saying is that our correct views on homosexual actions are not going to glorify God if our words and actions are pushing others farther away from Him. We need to be above reproach and think before we speak. If we lose sight of this, we misrepresent Christ and all that He stood for and died for. As the body of Christ, this should grieve us deeply.

And if you're reading this and you're like me, if you wrestle with where God stands on this and what to do with your feelings, realize that there are other people out there who are willing to wrestle with you and do it in a nature of love. I'd like to apologize for any time you have felt cut off from the church because of things we've said and done without thinking. I long for the day when the church can have difficult conversations without getting heated and hurting others.

God does love you, whoever you are. He has a plan for your life and it's beautiful. He will ask you to give up certain things, but don't let the words of others dictate what those things are or keep you from growing closer to Him.

And church, may we grow to become peacemakers who lead others to Christ rather than pushing them away. In Him.

Oct 03, 2013
Trust Jesus as your Savior
by: Pheonix

Well then, Seems what we have here is two things. 1) everybody claiming to be God on this matter and 2) everybody seems to think they speak for him. Humanitys first problem is claiming to kno all truth. We are all in the same proverbial boat n yet none of us were created perfect. Waist not ur time nor energy trying to justify any of ur behaviors or actions the testament. U were all given free will n ur free to choose n express however u choose. But mind u. While u may have free will u are however accountable for ur actions when u return home so argue n justify away all u want ppl. God is not some destination. God is there at all times watching. Its his universe seeing how none of u created it nor speak for its order or design. Therefore i say this unto u. Be accountable upon n for urself. for that is what always stands before God. N its this u will have to answer to before him. Ur best bet is to let go of things of this world for u may be in this world but u are not of it for ur life is like a book u have written n will review when u return. in the end ull only be judging urselves.

Rick's comment: Wise folks will believe our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, John 14:6, and trust Him alone for salvation from sin and from Hell, Acts 4:12.

What must I do to be saved?

Nov 24, 2013
gay marriage is legalized perversion.
by: Denis

the government can approve of gay married all they want! But too say that the bible supports it and God blesses it? and gay people think that they are no longer fronicator because they are now married.

and now gays are calling themselves Christians! the bible does not support any of this foolishness! I have read many medical report done by Doctor who practice in San francisco and are know as the Gay doctors who comment on the Gay life style.

they have compared the straight life to the Gay life! the Gay life is full of violence,hard drug use, nasty, vile affection and infections,30 times the STD's found in straight communities,and those who are in this life style make no apologies.
it called pride!and it all a life style choice.

the bible calls pride sin and man laying with man or women laying with women the mother of all abominations!that means there is no such thing as a Gay Christian in the perverted since. the word gay stands for happy. not sexual orientation!!!

Rick's comment: Hi Denis, thanks for sharing your unbiblical rant with us. Here is a page I hope you will read.

What must I do to be saved?

Nov 30, 2013
God bless you all.
by: heterosexualChristianMale

WOW! I think that the fact this argument is happening confirms we are in the last days.

The bible says many will be deceived even the very elect - ps I am not accusing you of deceiving us Rick. You clearly know your bible and you are making me WANT to read the bible more and understand it rather than spend time accusing people.

I think we ALL need to go back to the bible, PRAY before reading and EXPECT to hear from God.

The book of James says if any of us lack wisdom, we should ask God and we should not doubt that he will give us wisdom. If we doubt then we will not receive.

If arguments like these cause us all to go back and run to the Lord in prayer and reading his word then I thank God for this website.

Rick's comment: Hi Andrew - I completely agree with you that we all need to pray and read God's word with a believing heart more than we do. Many thanks.

Feb 26, 2014
It is sin.
by: Martha

Rick, you are wise in your own eyes.

Rick's comment: Hi Martha - did it ever occur to you that: 1. I study the Bible more than you. 2. I know more about ancient history than you. 3. I am more careful than you, to interpret the Bible in biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic literary and religious context?

You may want to consider this - just because you never heard of historical facts and biblical interpretations, that doesn't mean they are wrong.

Aug 29, 2014
Gods word is clear and precise on hetrosexual relationships
by: Mark Young

I am so sorry that you have missed interpreted Gods Holy word. I pray that your eyes would be opened to the truth.

Rick's comment: Hi Mark - please read my response to Martha in the previous comment. Many thanks.

Oct 04, 2014
just a correction
by: Margot

Hi there, I'd just like to say I am a pro-gay Christian, but I'd like to make a correction to a part of this post. If you look up Romans 5:12 in an interlinear Bible, the definition of "man" here also accounts for mankind in general, which is also evident from the other contexts in which this word is used. This makes that particular argument invalid. I encourage you to remove that bit in order to make your overall view more credible.

Rick's comment: Hi Margot - thanks for pointing that out. I revised the page because I was not clear enough on that point.

Also, according to this link, Abraham and Sarah were not brother and sister. Peace.

Rick's comment: I checked out the link and found that it misquotes Genesis 11:29, which says "daughter" based on the Hebrew text and the English text also has "daughter" in the singular.

The page you pointed me to misquotes it as "daughters" which allows them to allege that Sarah had a different father than Abraham's father yet Abraham himself says that Sarai or Sarah was his sister in Genesis 20:12 from the same father. Many thanks for your interesting comments Margot.

Mar 11, 2015
by: christine

common sense only, why would lot offer his virgin daughter if those men outside his house that wants to gang rape the angels were gays?? where is the justice here??!

Rick's comment: Hi Christine - You make a great point - gay men aren't interested in women that way and if the men of Sodom were as gay as the anti-gay crowd believes, Lot wouldn't have offered his daughters to a bunch of gay men.

Just for the record, the story of Lot and his daughters is in Genesis 19 and the Leviticus Holiness Code is Leviticus chapters 17-26.

Whom does Jesus save?

Apr 15, 2015
Are you ignoring other verses?
by: Ysabela

Did you decide to just ignore the previous chapter? You know 1 Corinthians 6? Maybe your Bible says it differently, but mine says this:

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Romans 1:24-32

2 Timothy 3:16-17 - All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for showing people what is wrong in their lives, for correcting faults, and for teaching how to live right. 17 Using the Scriptures, the person who serves God will be capable, having all that is needed to do every good work.

Rick's comment: Hi Ysabela - Those verses were not talking about gays and lesbians when Paul wrote them and they are not talking about gays and lesbians now. I agree with you that all scripture is given by inspiration of God…

BUT, that doesn't mean you get to take scripture out of its biblical cultural historical linguistic and religious context and then insist it is really talking about gays and lesbians. Doing that is not honest.

May 03, 2015
Mother of a gay son
by: Sherrie

Has anyone other than me ever wondered if the phrase "one man, one woman" should be taken as just that - one man and one woman actually staying married? Also, as much as I have tried, I cannot find this phrase anywhere in the Bible.

Living a gay lifestyle is not for me, but I really feel that many Christians will answer for their judgmental attitudes. Judge not that ye shall not be judged. The Bible also tells us that our righteousness is as filthy rags, so at our best we're not all that.

I have been in church all my life, but it is becoming increasingly more difficult for me to sit and listen to preaching about homosexuality when there are many other things that are never addressed.

What about divorce, adultery, lying, stealing and the list goes on and on. In my opinion those things are not addressed because they apply to too many people in the congregation. It must be much easier to preach on homosexuality and keep the amens coming.

Rick's comment: Amen to what you said!

What must I do to be saved?

Nov 13, 2015
robertsons word pictures of the new testament
by: mike

Because of fornications (dia ta porneia). This is not the only reason for marriage, but it is a true one. The main purpose of marriage is children. Mutual love is another. The family is the basis of all civilization. Paul does not give a low view of marriage, but is merely answering questions put to him about life in Corinth.

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