Does 1 Cor 6:9 mean I can't be gay AND Christian?


Rick Brentlinger Answers -


Thanks for the interesting question. Many modern Christians have embraced false teaching about 1 Corinthians 6:9. They arrive at their false teaching by assuming that the Greek words, malakoi and arsenokoitai mean homosexual.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (malakoi), nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoitai),

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

-1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Of course, there is nothing in the Bible and very little in church history to support their false teaching. In the first century AD, no one would define malakoi to mean homosexual. The Greek word malakoi was rarely, if ever, used in the first century to indicate homosexual men and was never used to indicate lesbians.

In the first century AD, no one would define arsenokoites to mean homosexual. Historical evidence - the way the arsenokoit stem was actually used in the first century AD - indicates that the arsenokoit stem referred to:
  1. Rape

  2. Sex with angels or the gods

  3. Anal sex with one's wife

  4. Masturbation

Based on the extant Greek manuscripts available to us today, the Greek word arsenokoites was rarely, if ever, used to indicate homosexual men and was never used to describe lesbians.

Therefore, when someone quotes 1 Corinthians 6:9 or 1 Timothy 1:10 to "prove" that God is against homosexuality, they are conveying nothing more than their opinion, without any basis in fact.

It is important to keep in mind that getting saved means you've experienced heartfelt repentance from your sins and you are trusting God's grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, as the satisfactory payment for your sins.

Once you're saved, nothing you do can cause you to lose your salvation because every born again Christian has eternal security in Christ as a present and irrevocable possession.

Additional Information


1. How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?

2. Does the Bible say homosexuals will go to hell?

3. Is it possible to change from homosexual to heterosexual?

4. Does becoming a Christian make you heterosexual?

5. Is there any evidence of an actual gay marriage in the Bible?

Original Question:

"I am a gay man who is also a Christian. I love the Lord Jesus and want to serve him. But, every fundamental church or evangelical group points me to I Cor 6:9-10 where it says homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I have a very hard time reconciling my sexual orientation and being a Christian. Can anyone help me with this? Someone even told me that you cannot be gay and be a Christian."

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Mar 01, 2010
Better a millstone around their neck
by: Darren Theoret

I am always very concerned when I hear that Christian people are telling anyone that they cannot be a Christian because they're gay or any other reason.

God sent Jesus Christ to die for all of us to make a way to salvation possible for all. I believe that anyone who errects a barrier to any individual and salvation is working directly against the will of God.

And I'm sorry to tell Rick that I disagree with that -once saved always saved- doctrine. Look in Romans where it warns that we are a wild branch attached to the vine and can be removed.

Again, my belief, it is the Holy Spirit working in us giving us the desire to be reconciled to God. I believe that scripture about grieving the Holy Spirit could well mean the act of telling someone that God doesn't want them. Further to that, I believe when we will stand in judgment, that Jesus will appear before us as the person that we discriminate against; whether that means gay, black, woman, muslim, jew, poor, disabled, etc.

For our part, we need to have compassion on them and pray for them and in the right time talk to them about all this while they still have time to repent. We have an exciting ministry of reconciliation - remember the beatitudes - we are blessed by God. Lets be stronger than their hate.

Dec 25, 2010
It is ungodly to be gay
by: Anonymous

God created man first and then woman. Because man was lonely God Created Man and Woman for each other changing the order of Gods creation is wrong alone

May 25, 2011
I am a saved homosexual
by: Anonymous

I don't think its possible for a straight person to ever understand how a gay Christian feels. This is why they always condemn us. Christ is so awesome that He saved me from the chains of guilt and sins relating from homosexuality.

The problem with homosexuality is that gays feel removed from the church and therefore removed from God. This is so wrong. Satan gets a strong grip on the lives of some gays in terms of porn, lust, self indulgence, etc., resulting from rejection by the church.

I understand. I have been there. I have also been saved. Not from homosexuality, but from the bondage that sometimes comes with homosexuality.

What is the result of being saved?

I am still gay, but without sexual chains. Lust has turned into compassion. Guilt has turned into freedom. I have discovered a Christ who loves and forgives.

Why should the church be any different?

Jun 27, 2011
response for dec 25th 2010
by: Darren Theoret

God did create Eve as a companion for Adam. But that doesn't mean that every companion for every man has to be exactly like the first relationship! It's true that if God created a same sex partner for Adam the history of the world would have been a lot shorter.

But when God noticed Adam was alone, He didn't say, "Adam's got no babies! I will make him a baby maker!" NO, He said, "The man is lonely, I will give him a companion." This worked well because apparently, Adam was straight. Good job I wasn't the first man created because Eve would be the one who would be lonely.

Expecting every relationship to be exactly like the first is ridiculous. I bet your relationship isn't even like your parents' or their parents' never mind going back 1000 generations.

Nov 21, 2011
Rubbish
by: Sean

The person who wrote this artical should read a bible. The Holy spirit is not teaching this, this is teaching taught by man.
Leviticus does mention something on the subject.
Here's the rub. In Jesus own words "go and sin no more" If you accept Jesus as saviour and continue in your sinful life style, then it's highly unlikely your a christian.
"By their fruit you will know them". The Bible makes this all very clear. Read the bible you will see through out church history christians are warnd about false christians teaching lies. People teaching you can be homesexual and christian are false teachers. The bible also teachers that in the end times many will be led astray by these liars because they dont really have a relationship with Jesus, also they want to follow these teaching to justify their lusts and perverted lifestyles. It all comes down to choice, choose to follow Jesus or choose to continue on your own way. Also christians can choose to leave God, he will never let you go, but you can leave him and he will let you go your own way.

Feb 20, 2012
Look and see
by: Angel Ramirez

Have you not read that which was stated in the bible in the book of Leviticus 18:22 which states thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 1 Kings 14:24 and there were also sodomites in the land and they did according to all the abominations of the nation's which the lord cast cast out before the children of Israel. Leviticus 20:13 states if a man lie with mankind, as he lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be apon them. These are not my words they are the words spoken by God himself to Moses as a commandment. Romans 1:24,27-32. Romans states it's an abomination also. We only have to look to Sodom and Gomorrah to know how God feels. Jesus stated Matthew 5:17-18 he came to fulfill the law not to change it. Revelation 21:8 but the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable and murders, and warmongers and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their heart in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Read your bible.

Rick's answer: Angel, I hope you will take the time to read the verses you quoted in context. None of those verses is talking about two men or two women falling in love and getting married. They're talking about temple prostitutes who worship the fertility goddess.

I hope you will read and study and learn why it is SO wrong to take verses out of context and argue that they're condemning gays and lesbians. Look on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says, for in context explanations fo those verses.

Apr 02, 2012
The Bible is the word of God
by: Anonymous

Rick's comment: You guys are either too dumb to read with comprehension or you are being intentionally dishonest because you are not saved and therefore, are incapable of loving God's truth.

Your lying misrepresentation of the Bible, i.e., ripping verses out of context and then insisting they mean something they didn't mean in context, demonstrates your dishonesty.

If you are saved, you will lose rewards at the judgment seat of Christ. If you are unsaved, you will go from the Great White throne judgment directly to the lake of fire. I hope you are not this dishonest in other areas of your life.

To answer the question with which you ended your rant: All saved followers of Christ are sinners.


Rant from an Anonymous coward: This means that the Bible is the word of the creator, who knows everything that will happen and has happened. Don't you think if he accepted homosexuality he would make it clear? Just as he does with sex after heterosexual marriage.
What do you think it means when it says in Leviticus that intercourse with another Man is a Hateful sin?

And like theft, adultery and murder this scripture is not changed by Christ in the New Testimony. You cannot truly believe you can be a gay Christian when the Bible is so clearly against homosexual activity.

If anything, I imagine 'homosexual Christians' are simply ignoring these areas of the Bible and labelling them as "out of context" or "dated" as to justify your actions despite the guilt they feel. God loves you and will always love you. However he is clear with what he considers wrong and right. How can you be living as -what God defines as- a sinner and yet still be a follower of Christ?

Jun 13, 2012
We have the righteousness of Christ
by: Anonymous

The very heart of man is sinful because we have a sin nature. The verse that says "go and sin no more" John 8:11, is impossible. But since Jesus knows that, I believe it means that, once we have Christ and the Holy Spirit living inside us, then positionally before the Father we are without sin.

Even though we are all STILL sinners, when the Father looks upon us He sees the righteousness of His Son. There was a transaction. Jesus took upon Himself our sins, and imputed to us His righteousness.

Rick's comment: Excellent! Someone who finally gets it! Many thanks!

Aug 04, 2012
You are defined by Jesus, not your struggle!
by: Jordan from Colorado

I am wondering, why do you call yourself a "gay" Christian? Why do you let a struggle or sin define yourself in such a way? I wouldn't define myself as a drunk Christian or a fornicating Christian. You are not defined by your struggle or sin, but defined by your Savior, Jesus Christ! I pray that this thorn in your side brings you closer to God, as my struggles have brought me closer to God. I know my words will come off as a bit harsh, but I hope you see that you do not need to be defined by sexuality, creed, or race, but by Jesus Christ! I also pray that you will have victory over this sin and find encouraging brothers and sisters in the church.

Rick's comment: I think you're missing the point. Anti-gay Christians attack gay Christians and tell us we are not Christians because we are gay, even though the Bible never says that. The same anti-gay Christians rip verses out of context and insist that the verses mean something out of context that they do not mean IN context.

This website exists to point out those facts and to give gay Christians ammunition in the form of cold hard facts and in context explanations of the Bible to help them defend themselves against anti-gay Christians. Hope this is helpful.

I'm familiar with the blather and bluster from Exodus International. Their idea that no one is born gay, that everyone is born heterosexual and therefore, gay people are just rebellious heterosexuals who made a choice to defy God, seems to be the idea you've embraced when you say, You are defined by Jesus, not by your struggle.

It will be helpful for you to know what Exodus International really believes.

Sep 04, 2012
Question and a comment.
by: JT

If that is not the correct interpretation of those two words, why are they consistently translated in that manner for those verses?

Rick's comment: Those two words were not used in the first century AD to mean homosexual. That is the point. Only in the last 60 years or so did modern translators begin to read homosexuality into the text of 1 Cor 6:9.

JTs comment: Also, your comment to another persons post is very disheartening. You claim to want people to understand your point and not judge you, but when they persecute you, you lash out in anger.

Rick's comment: I've never asked people not to judge me. I've asked them to read and interpret the Bible in context instead of ripping verses out of context to condemn.

JTs comment: If I am wrong please let me know, but I thought this was your comment - "Rick's comment: You guys are either too dumb to read with comprehension or you are being intentionally dishonest because you are not saved and therefore, are incapable of loving God's truth.

Your lying misrepresentation of the Bible, i.e., ripping verses out of context and then insisting they mean something they didn't mean in context, demonstrates your dishonesty.

If you are saved, you will lose rewards at the judgment seat of Christ. If you are unsaved, you will go from the Great White throne judgment directly to the lake of fire. I hope you are not this dishonest in other areas of your life.

To answer the question with which you ended your rant: All saved followers of Christ are sinners."

JTs comment: I just didn't expect the same attitude here that I see coming from the "fire and brimestone" Christians.

Rick's comment: First, everything I wrote in the quote you cited is true. They are either lazy or intentionally dishonest. And they will answer to God for that at the judgment seat of Christ if they are saved or at the Great White Throne judgment, Rev 20, if they are not saved.

Second, Yes, I believe precisely what Jesus believed about hell. Of the 23 times hell is mentioned in the New Testament, the mention comes from Jesus 20 of the 23 times. Think about that for a while.

Third, Jesus warned sinners against a burning fiery hell more than anyone else in the New Testament. So here's the question.

Will you believe Jesus that hell is a real place where real sinners suffer in eternal torment in eternal flames for rejecting Jesus as their Lord and Savior OR will you believe the no-hellers, those sanctimonious fools like Rob Bell and Jay Bakker who keep trying to air condition hell and re-purpose it into a non-biblical purgatory? I beieve what Jesus taught about hell.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

Feb 18, 2013
None
by: Anonymous

In 1 Chorinthians 6:9, the NIV says "Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men". The footnote also also reads, "The words men who have sex with men translate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts."

I don't understand why you keep saying "take verses in context", "understand the historical context".

Many TRUE Christians READ verses in "context". If you are saying read everything in "historical context", then don't believe you're a Christian. The people in the first century CE had to believe they were going to heaven because they were suffering right? Read the whole Bible in its historical context and you should realize that it was written to give people hope of better life later because the writers, scribes, etc were in hard times.

So if you always have to read stuff in historical context, you're saying it doesn't apply to us anymore.

Rick's comment: I believe it will help you to re-read what I wrote and this time, click on the text links and read those pages too. You are missing the point, perhaps because you are not thinking it through, perhaps because you've been unwilling to digest new information.

I do not allow commenters to post links.

Apr 19, 2014
Defining Christ
by: anonymous

The word CHRISTIAN means "like-Christ". If we are Christians it should be our goal to be and like Christ did. Did Jesus live a homosexual lifestyle? No he didn't so why should we and that goes for male and female.

Rick's comment: I'll try to match your indubitable logic. Did Jesus live a heterosexual lifestyle? He was a single man who never married but who will one day marry millions of men who are part of Christs Bride. Because Jesus didn't marry hetero-sexually, so we shouldn't either, according to your zany logic.

You can call yourself a Christian, but a true Christian knows that in order to be a light in this dark world you can't follow your wants, rules and needs. You must follow God's and in that verse it says "Do not be deceived:Neither the sexually immoral...nor men who have sex with men...will inherit the kingdom of God." Just remember that God gives us free will to choose Right or Wrong, Good or Evil, Him or the Devil.

Rick's comment: It will be helpful to you to do some reading and study on this website. It may open your eyes to many things you have missed. No Greek text anywhere on earth says "men who have sex with men" in 1 Cor 6:9.

Sep 17, 2014
To all debaters
by: Paul

If Rick was wrong , he will have to answer to God. All of us have been saved by grace through Jesus Christ only. So lets stop using the holy word of God against one another. Just breathe for a moment, and put away that sword. Now, lets all go and properly study whether what Rick says about the ORIGINAL TRANSLATION isnt perhaps right, so that we will be set free by the Truth.

Its not like God told us to fight one another, but the fruit of a true follower will be marked by their heartfelt love for one another, and having patience with one another' s weaknesses. I just love how God uses sites like this to show us our beam in our own self-righteous eye.

Thank you Jesus Christ for being so patient with all of us, and I pray that only Your truth will set all of your body free, and that there will be unity in all Your body members, whether we think we're a bit more righteous or important than another, amen. If we don't have love unconditional for one another we still have Nothing!

Mar 05, 2015
I'm sorry but
by: Lynn owens

You cannot be gay and a Christian

Mar 06, 2015
Nobody asked for your permission Lyne
by: Darren

John 3:16 WHOSOEVER! not whosoever straight people! Salvation is open to all who believe. You are working directly against the will of G-d when you say stupid things like this! If you are going to Presume to speak for G-d, you'd better be right about what you say 'cause He gets anoyed with people who put words in His mouth.

Apr 30, 2015
Gay Marriage isn't recognized by God
by: Ken

the argument against the Levitical definition of homosexuality is that it applied to temple prostitutes not a true love seen in a marriage.

Rick's comment: LOL - Hi Ken - "The Levitical definition of homosexuality" - really? That is the lie which undergirds your unbib-lical opinion. What is a shrine prostitute?

From creation on God recognized a union between a man and a woman, there was to be no other union. True you can love a person of the same sex, and marry him or her, but that does not mean that God recognized the union. In fact, he doesn't! That is evident from the beginning, to Sodom, to Jesus, to Paul, to Now.

Rick's comment: Your lies are so earnest yet strangely unconvincing. You've presented your unbiblical opinion, not what the Bible says in context.

Why is homosexuality and homosexual marriage a sin? Because it goes against the very nature of who God is and his relationship with the Church, which is evident only in bond between a man and a woman.

Rick's comment: The more you share your unbiblical opinion, the more incoherent you sound. Are men part of the BRIDE of Christ? Yes, of course. Gay men and lesbians are already part of the body of Christ.

The problem with this web site and society in general is that they have chosen to view sin as a God given Identity, not as an action springing from man's corrupted nature. God almighty has the power to change any one. He can change a drunk, a prostitute, a liar, a porno, a drug addict, a glutton, an angry person, name a sin, God can change you. Please to those who read this, don't be like some "Christians" in that "They have a form of Godliness but deny the power of it" II Timothy 2:3.

Rick's comment: Ken, please do not be like so many anti-gay Christians who rip verses out of context and then insist that the out of context verses mean something they didn't mean in context. Lying arguments like yours are not recognized by God.

May 01, 2015
Gay Marriage isn't recognized by God
by: Ken

Sorry son, but your arguments can't convince me. I know the truth and the truth has set me free. What fascinates me is this, we both believe in the same Jesus but I am the bigot, and you have the truth. What unites a marriage? What makes two separate people to become "one flesh"?

Rick's comment: Hi Ken - You make statements like: "From creation on God recognized a union between a man and a woman, there was to be no other union."

Yet the Bible does not say the part of your statement I underlined. That's the point. You feel free to make up stuff AS IF the Bible says it and we're all supposed to accept your opinion as authoritative. That worked for you guys for a lot of years, until gay people started speaking up and saying, Wait a minute. That's not what the Bible says.

May 06, 2015
Gay Marriage isn't recognized by God
by: Ken

Rick's comment: Hi Ken - I do understand what you are saying. I reject it because it is your opinion, not God's truth. You've refused to engage any response I've made to your comments.

You keep repeating your opinion (three times in this thread) in the hope that someone somewhere will ignore what the Bible says in context and instead, embrace your opinion. I've given you three opportunities to state your views. That is enough.


Hi Rick. After reading your comments on the last two of my posts I'm afraid you don't understand what I am saying. Are you implying that I don't have a Biblical back up for my opinion? What creates a union between a man and a woman is more than just a spiritual connection recognized by God… Rick's comment: Edited because it's just more of the same.

May 19, 2015
I'm so confused and it hurts
by: Adam

I'm a gay male, in a gay relationship, and I'm lost. For 5 years I've loved the same guy, committed just to him, yet for the same amount of time, I've felt as though I could be sending myself straight to hell. now, because of the thoughts that have been instilled in me since I was a child, we are separating.

I'm lost because there is no black and white, and too many variations of the verses that I look to for help. Its very difficult to love God, yet then find someone that I love more than anything on earth, only to be told I'm going to hell. Breaking the heart of someone who has never hurt me, and has anyways been there for me, simply because of a "what if".

Those that judge gays miss the point of Jesus' teachings altogether. But, I personally can not go through life not being certain whether or not I'm sinning. So it comes down to this- do I hurt someone that I love and will always love simply because of what I THINK is wrong, or do I stay in the relationship with someone I love and HOPE that when I die, I don't go to hell neither is a great option.

Rick's comment: Hi Adam - God has good news and peace of mind for gays and lesbians and transgenders when we believe what He says in the Bible. The most important question to answer right now is:

Am I sure that I am saved? Many gays are cultural Christians instead of born again Christians. They grew up in church or they are religious or they are spiritual. They try to do the right thing but they've never personally received Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin.

Why do so many young people quit church?

The best preparation for being a disciple of Jesus is to know for sure you are saved. Everyone needs to be saved from sin and hell and the wrath of God. Here is what Jesus taught about hell and God's wrath.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

What is the wrath of God?

Getting saved and becoming a disciple of Jesus means not trusting your good works, baptism, sacraments, confirmation, being a cultural Christian or grace allegedly flowing from a church and instead, trusting by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone to save you.

What must I do to be SAVED?

Once you know you are saved, it helps to understand What happens when you get saved?

Once you understand what happens when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal?

Saved forever = Eternal Security

Adam, if you'll read those links carefully and trust Jesus as your Savior from sin and from hell and from the wrath of God, He will save you eternally.

And the being gay thing? It is NOT an issue with God.

Please read through my website for more info about that. And please, if you have more questions, please get in touch with me through our Contact Us page.

Nov 21, 2015
question
by: tyler

Im not being hostile in any way. Why do you fight to try to find any loophole to keep your sinful desire when the bible is so clear? Can you quote me a passage from the bible that says, "if you PRACTICE homosexuality you will have eternal life".

Rick's comment: Hi Tyler - When I present in context evidence that you are unfamiliar with, that is not "finding any loophole for sin." Phrasing it the way you did indicates you have not studied this issue and these verses.

I encourage you to reread the article and also, please read the comments and take time to click on the links and read that information. Truth is available if that is what you seek.

What must I do to be saved?

Dec 04, 2015
What I know and what I believe
by: Austin McClung

I hate it when people use the quote,"go and sin no more" by Jesus (the coolest guy ever) to say you aren't a Christian. It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to not sin. He means that you have no sin in the eyes of God or something along those lines. Personally, I believe/hope that there is something for gays and lesbians.

I have a bi-sexual friend and he has been beaten down by ant-gay "Christians" (I say "Christians" because a Christian would never had said the things they said to him) and he is a cool guy and I don't want him to go to hell.

Rick's comment: Hi Austin - Jesus teaches Hell 101 explains a lot.

In short, I am looking for an answer and pray for one each day.

Rick's comment: What must I do to be saved?

Rick, thank you for what you have said and when you defend your argument, you bring evidence from other sites and providing links. To those who lashed out calling others names and such ignoring evidence, please look back at other information people have provided and if you comment again, please do it in a non-offensive manner.

If you believe that something is a sin, don't hate the sinner but the sin. Jesus never hated sinners. He doesn't hate you because you are a sinner so why should he hate gays. In short, I have mixed feelings about this subject, but I KNOW anyone can be saved regardless of what they have done and will do.

Jul 10, 2016
1 COR 6:9-11
by: DALE

IN THAT SCRIPTURES YOU NOTICE HOMOSEXUALS WERE LISTED WITH MURDERS ,THIEVES, THEN IT SAYS, THAT IS WHAT YOU ONCE WERE, MEANING THEY HAD TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO BE A CHRISTIAN, NWT.

Rick's comment: Hi Dale - I believe you will find it helpful to reread the article and then read it again, as many times as necessary, until you understand it.

Homosexuals are not listed with thieves and murderers except in unscholarly translations, of which the New World Translation is a prime example.

Aug 19, 2016
Just my ten cents
by: Kieran

I'm sure someone will point out the correct verses etc..... Sadly I don't have my bible to hand however this is my understanding.......

The Bible does indeed say a man should not lay with a man as he does a woman...... The Bible also says that Jesus had not come to change the law.
The reason was because he couldn't at that point.

My understanding is that in Hebrews it is explained that Jesus was annointed high priest from the house of melchedizek ending the line of high priests that had existed previously......basically because God saw that these priests had abused the first covenant made with Moses.

Like a will, the second covenant could only come into effect once Jesus had died and been resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Hebrews explains the ten commandments stay in force...... There is mention to sexuality immorality but with regards to the second covenant which makes the first covenant obsolete, there is no specific reference to homosexuality....only "sexual immorality".

Above all else, Jesus says the two most important commandments are to love your God with all your heart and soul...... And to love thy neighbour.....

He didn't say love thy neighbour except homos so all this chest thumping about the old... And obsolete..... Old testament is quite frankly wasted energy.

As my reverend says, you can have a discussion a gay man or woman about how you think they are sinning......

But the moment you judge you have allowed evil thoughts into your head (book of James) and have sinned.

So, i would humbly suggest, everyone telling gays they will definitely burn in hell or that they're disgusting and can't be Christian etc might want to check the Bible again.

Now me, I'm a straight man and a Christian. I don't understand homosexuality but what i do know is that I'm thankful I never had to struggle with that part of my identity and even more thankful I've never had to cope with "Christians" who seem sooooo sure their understanding of the scriptures is correct and the only one that counts...... making my life a misery.

Jesus died for all of our sins, he instructs us to love one another..... Probably best to keep it simple rather than second guess the judgement of the only one who truly was perfect...... Unless you wish to usurp Jesus, in which case, good luck with that.


Aug 20, 2016
and after many cups of coffee
by: Kieran

Hi Rick, I submitted a piece yesterday but overnight i couldn't sleep. I felt that my understanding of the question posed was lacking, so i called my reverend who came round and we discussed the matter, for many hours and may God bless the good reverend for his patience, his wisdom and his tolerance in answering my questions.

It seems the question posed by yourself has brought out many of the typical to be expected emotions and responses.

My response, after much discussion,to can someone be Christian and gay according to 1 Cor 6:9, is yes you can be both.

I would like to say to anyone reading this that in questioning my reverend, i put to him many of the for and against arguements put forward on here in previous posts so my understanding is based on biblical teachings not prejudicial mumbo jumbo.

Alot of problems come from answering a new testament question with old testament eyes. We constantly hear, indeed i do it myself in my previous post, that God said do not lay down with another man as you would a woman as that is detestable.

It's interesting that Corinthians, written by Paul, is being quoted for his mention of sexual immorality.
The problem we have is actually that the definition of sexual immorality is never given. Indeed, in the ten commandments adultery is stated, homosexuality is not.

However, Paul later explained that we, the gentiles, were given and are under a new covenant and indeed this was discussed at great length by the Apostles in Acts.

When Peter got up to speak he scolded and rebuked those present who wanted the gentiles to adhere to the law of Moses by saying "Now then, why do you try to test God by putting around the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we or our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are" (vs10-11).

Indeed James backed him up by saying that the yoke of Moses was not necessary and this is clearly explained in the letter they wrote to Antioch.

So what happens to the ten commandments and the old testament I hear you cry...... And if you read my previous post I have covered this but I will add some additions.

I've read and I quoted myself that Jesus said he had not come to destroy the old law or the prophets.... Indeed they were written and existed.... As stated in Matthew 5 17-18 but this is often misunderstood and I must confess until today,by me also.

Jesus says "I have not come to destroy the law or the prophets,but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, til heaven and earth pass,not the smallest letter or stroke of pen will disappear from the law until all has been fulfilled".

I have to admit I didn't understand this because at first I thought like many that Jesus was saying no change.

What Jesus was actually saying is there is no change at the moment but through him would come a new covenant with God which upon his crucifixion, resurrection and ascension to heaven would see the fulfilment of everything written and prophesied before and therefore the old "Moses" would be gone and in its place the new covenant which is written and taught throughout the new testament.

Don't believe yet?

When Jesus went up the mountain and some of the disciples saw him speaking with Moses and Elijah, what did God say?

The answer is in Matthew 17 1-5 where God clearly says "This is my Son, whom i love, with whom I am well pleased. Listen to HIM".

Listen to HIM. Not Moses or the prophets nor anything that had gone before. Listen to Jesus for Jesus was teaching us that the old order was going to be abolished and this is explained very clearly in Hebrews.

I won't explain it again but if you refer to my previous post, you'll see that the old order and line of high priests (levites) had become so sinful and so corrupted that God established a new high priest which was to be Jesus. Jesus came from the house of melchezidek thereby establishing a new untainted priesthood and covenant but this would only take affect once he had ascended to heaven.

So where are we on the laws and in particular homosexuality?

Well we are bound by two things.

The first is that we are instructed by Jesus to adhere to the laws of the land and those appointed over us and we receive earthly punishment for breaking those laws..... There is no divine intervention with regards to that.

With regards to homosexuality, old testament law cannot be used as justification for any kind of hating or discrimination because God did away with that when he said to listen to Jesus. Sorry people but he didn't say listen to Moses or Elijah, he clearly states to listen to HIM, being Jesus.

This may not be what some people want to hear but the teachings say avoid sexual immorality which has no specific definition and so as the old convenant is obsolete, we must take our lead from the law of the land and from the two most important teachings that Jesus placed more importance upon than any other.

1) love and believe in the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and;
2) love your neighbour (by that I think we can safely assume means all humans).

So my conclusions are these; Jesus laid out the rules of the new covenant in his teachings and the definition of sexual immorality was vague to say the least.

It is also important to remember that Jesus dined with tax collectors, prostitutes and all kinds of "unsavory" characters and never once did he judge them.

As Peter says, we should take heart in the knowledge that through our faith and our love for Jesus Christ, we have in him one who speaks before God on our behalf.

In the absence of clear definition of sexual immorality, apart from that defined by earthly law, as a heterosexual man i can only conclude that gay men and women who love God with all their heart and soul and love their fellow humans are absolutely Christian and it is not for us to judge otherwise.

Indeed, those who descriminate and judge homosexuals and keep quoting chapter and verse old testament scriptures would do well, i would suggest, to heed the words of Paul when he said in 2 Corinthians 3 vs14 "but their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away".

Infact, if you claim to be Christian and live your life according to the old testament which is the old covenant then perhaps you might struggle when your time comes before God because I'd suggest his first question would be when you were told not to listen to Moses or Elijah but to listen to my Son whom i love and in whom I am well pleased..... And you chose to ignore that and carry on living and judging through the eyes of Moses...... Which part of it didn't you understand?

We are instructed to love one another and seek salvation through Christ.

We are told not to judge, discuss sure, judge not as that is for God alone.

As a straight man and a Christian i will love all, love my saviour Jesus Christ and love God with all my heart and soul.

Will i get everything right? Absolutely not.

But have you ever wondered why Jesus said to remove the plank of wood from your eye which is so much larger than the mere speck of dust in another's eye? Think about it.

Drop the judgements, love each other including those of a different sexual orientation and love as Jesus loved.

You and i are not God or Jesus.

Peace and love be upon you all.

Sep 14, 2016
Whaaaat?
by: Ronnie

Whaaaaat? Homosexuality is an abomination and it clearly states it. You cannot be gay and Christians since you go against the Holy Bibles teachings. There are several passages where it clearly states about homosexuality. Sadom and Ghamorrah was destroyed bc of it. Don't try to change it to satisfy your sins.

Rick's comment: Hi Ronnie - Is it possible you didn't carefully read the article before commenting?

Are you aware that the Greek word, arsenokoitai, in 1 Cor 6:9, is NEVER used in the Bible to mean homosexual, even though some poorly translated modern versions put the word homosexual into the Bible?

Are you aware that Paul never wrote the word, homosexual, in 1 Cor 6:9 in any language?

Are you aware of your responsibility before God to read, memorize and obey 2 Timothy 2:15?


Nov 26, 2016
Forgiven
by: R.M.R

When you accepted Christ, you started a new life in Him. If in doubt about yourself and whether or not you are pleasing God, ask God to reveal to you what can hinder your relationship with Him and to cleanse you of it. God through Christ made us free from the bondage of sin. When you first invited Christ into your life, everything from your past was forgotten and therefore you are a new person with another opportunity to do things right. Only the Holy Spirit can reveal to an individual what is wrong in their life and help them through the new Journey in Christ. Ask for wisdom and knowledge before reading the word of God and to help you apply it to your daily life. If there is something hindering your relationship with God, the Holy Spirit will reveal it to you.
When something goes against our own believes we become very defensive and try to look for origins and meanings and to whom it was written. The world might have advance in technology , but human behavior has not changed.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

"And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more."
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

"He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea"
Micah 7:19 KJV

"This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16
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