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“homosexual cult prostitution appears to have been the primary form in which homosexual intercourse was practiced in Israel.”

Dr. Gagnon devotes pages 100-110 of his book to supporting his thesis that cult prostitution was the primary form in which homosexual intercourse was practiced in Israel.

In spite of his startling admission, Dr. Gagnon believes that verses which in context, refer to shrine prostitutes who worshiped the fertility goddess, also condemn committed, faithful, intimate same sex partnerships between born again Christians. Now think about that for a minute.

If Dr. Gagnon could find even one verse in the Bible which in context, condemns a committed, faithful, intimate, non-cultic lesbian or homosexual partnership, he would cite that verse to support his viewpoint.

Unfortunately for Dr. Gagnon, there are no verses (zero, zip, nada) anywhere in the Bible which in context, condemn committed, faithful, intimate, non-cultic same sex partnerships.

Despite the amazing lack of verses to support his viewpoint, Rob Gagnon still believes that all intimate gay and lesbian partnerships are sinful. He maintains his belief sola fide (only by faith), because no verse of scripture supports his belief. Therefore in my opinion, he makes this concession:

“homosexual cult prostitution appears to have been the primary form in which homosexual intercourse was practiced in Israel.” Gay Quotes.

“We are left with the feeling that the church has overdone it, no matter how you cut it, and that homosexuals have certainly suffered more wrong than they have committed, and that there must be flaws in whatever theology of nature or hierarchy of sins has made homosexuality be viewed as the nadir of depravity... This feeling increases when one becomes acquainted with responsible, Christian, homosexual people.” Gay Quotes.

- Fuller Seminary theologian Paul King Jewett

In the mid-1980s, Dr. Woudstra was asked by fellow conservative evangelicals for his insight on homosexuality and the Bible. As chair of Old Testament translation for the NIV Bible, President of the Evangelical Theological Society, longtime professor at Calvin Seminary and author of the New International Commentary on Joshua, Woudstra was a recognized evangelical scholar. Dr. Woudstra said:

“I do not think the O.T. and N.T. texts are all that clear to warrant a strongly negative stand of the Christian church.”

Woudstra believed it was necessary to raise “the more general question of love that is the fulfillment of law and of love doing no harm to the neighbor, Rom 13:10.” He concluded:

“I think, as those who love the inerrant Word of God, we want to be doubly sure that we read that Word correctly. Jesus says that His yoke is easy and His burden light. Let us make sure that as we put a burden on anyone such as complete celibacy we do so because we are 100% sure that this is Jesus’ burden. Otherwise we should leave this to the individual conscience.” gay quotes

“You go to work; you do an excellent job; you mow your lawn; you pay your property taxes and you go to bed at 10 o’clock at night. That’s the gay agenda.”

- Kurt Jacobowitz-Cain, a former ex-gay leader, now happily same sex partnered. Gay Quotes.

• Wants only what is good for his/her group.
• Angry; hot-button issues oriented.
• Christian in name but not Christlike in nature.
• Knocks others who are different.
• Only interested in winning, not in spiritual growth.

The WACKO list is right on target and applies equally to many on the religious left and right. Both antigay Christian conservative WACKOs and gay liberal WACKOs share similar, less than thoughtful tendencies.

"Surely we are all meant to enjoy our sexuality, whether we are heterosexual or homosexual. All too often homosexuality is thought of as a blight, a disease, something that needs to be hidden from all but those few who can share at a deep level. Yet it is often the case that the homosexual is a very loving and lovable person with a tremendous contribution to make." She urged reflection on a Christian homosexual’s relationship with God and potential for becoming more fully human in a loving relationship with another person of the same sex and concluded:

"If homosexual friends can, with real honesty, answer these questions to their entire satisfaction and peace of mind, then they have nothing to fear."

- Margaret Evening, InterVarsity Christian Fellowship author, 1975, Gay Quotes.

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“Paul never addresses the subject of human sexuality in a systematic manner” and yet, in “Paul’s most extended discussion of sexuality [he] lays the groundwork for a suggestive and flexible Christian sexuality.”

- Dictionary of Paul and His Letters, 1993, InterVarsity Press, gay quotes

“In the twenty first century many Christians confuse modern homosexuality with the ancient world’s sexual abuse of slaves, pederasty, rape of foreigners and pagan fertility rites. None of those ancient practices are analogs to modern homosexuality.”

- Rick Brentlinger, Gay Quotes.

"Homosexual men and women will not return to the collective closet, the centuries-old practice of culturally imposed silence. Nor should they. Homosexual activists rightly insist that they not face verbal and physical abuse... because of their sexual orientation...

We dare not send homosexual Christians back into closets of self-loathing and terror... Too often our [evangelical response] begins and ends with referring people to a chapter of an ‘ex-gay’ ministry like Exodus International and bidding them Godspeed... insisting that all homosexual Christians must change their orientation is... reckless."

- Christianity Today, September 4, 2000, Gay Quotes.

"We acknowledge that some gay Christians may choose to commit themselves to a lifelong, monogamous homosexual union, believing this is God’s best for them. They believe that this reflects an authentic sexuality that is congruent for them and their view of Scripture. Even though we hold to the model of a heterosexual, lifelong, monogamous union, our compassion brings us to support all persons as they move in the direction of God’s ideal for their lives."

- Jack and Judith Balswick, Authentic Human Sexuality: An Integrated Christian Approach. Gay Quotes.

"Every time we look at the cross Christ seems to say to us, 'I am here because of you. It is your sin I am bearing, your curse I am suffering, your debt I am paying, your death I am dying.' Nothing in history or in the universe cuts us down to size like the cross."

- John R. W. Stott, The Message of Galatians, page 179.

“Infinite and yet an infant.

Eternal and yet born of a woman.

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Charles Spurgeon

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Almighty, and yet nursing at a woman’s breast.

Supporting a universe, and yet needing to be carried in his mother’s arms.

Heir of all things, and yet the carpenter’s despised Son.”

Charles Haddon Spurgeon, 1834-1892, English Baptist Pastor. This Link will open in a new page.

- Dr. Zacharias quoting Aristotle.

Then Zacharias asks:

“Suppose you say you love someone [like a gay person] but you are unjust in your dealings with them. How would that [gay] person respond to your words, ‘But I love you’?

If heterosexual Christians fail to identify with homosexual Christians who are chained by ecclesiastical homophobia, as though chained with them, how will the enchained [gay people] respond to: 'But I love you!'”? Gay Quotes.

In The Southern Baptist Journal of Theology, Dr. Howard commends an Old Testament scholar, the late Marten Woudstra of Calvin Seminary, as “a conservative evangelical” who was “clearly committed to the authority and integrity” of Scripture. “Woudstra,” he writes, “is very sensitive to small nuances in the text missed by many commentators [and] his is one of the very best commentaries on the text of Joshua.”

Yet Woudstra believed that nothing in the Old Testament corresponds to homosexuality as we understand it today. Dr. Howard, of course, is not addressing Woudstra’s remarks on the Bible and homosexuality but his affirmation of Dr. Woudstra’s careful, conservative evangelical scholarship should caution against the wooden assumptions of a biblical negativity on homosexuality per se.

- from an article by Dr. Ralph Blair

From The Christian Century, May 2, 2006, Dr. Gaiser, a Luther Seminary Old Testament professor, applies Isaiah 56:3-8, to the modern debate about homosexuals in the church.

“the promise [to eunuchs] comes not by right but as gift... God is gathering ‘others’ to ‘the outcasts of Israel’ that God has ‘already gathered.’ The people of Israel can accept the inclusion of others because they know themselves to be outcasts and sinners, welcome in God’s house because of who God is and what God has done, not because of their own righteousness.”

In the same way, the church can accept gay Christians who are welcome in God’s house because of who God is and what God has done in saving them. Gay Quotes.

In an interesting article in The Christian Century, May 2, 2006, “Battle for the Bible” by Mark Noll, we find an excellent discussion of the Bible verses used to support slavery. Although Noll does not address homosexuality, there is a striking analogy between slavery and homosexuality.

Dr. Noll, Professor of History at Wheaton College, perhaps the leading evangelical college in America, traces the torturous trek of pro-slavery arguments, with their chapter and verse rebuttal of abolitionist arguments, which focused on the love of God for all mankind. Noll writes:

“the stronger [the abolitionists’] arguments based on general humanitarian principles became, the weaker the Bible looked in any traditional sense. By contrast, rebuttal of abolitionist arguments from biblical principle increasingly came to look like a defense of scripture itself.”

Noll explains that those who “defended the legitimacy of slavery in the Bible had the easiest task.” Their line went like this:

“First, open the scriptures and read – at say, Leviticus 25:45 or, even better, at I Corinthians 7:20-21. [Compare Lev 20:13 and I Cor 6:9]

Second, decide for yourself what these passages mean. Don’t wait for a bishop... or a meddling Yankee to tell you what the passage means, but decide for yourself.”

Third, if you can find any unorthodox bit in whatever the abolitionists say, you must conclude they’re asking you to abandon “the entire trust in the Bible that made the country into such a great Christian civilization.”

Doesn’t today’s debate over homosexuality echo that earlier debate over slavery? Anti-gay Christians pull a few verses out of context, mistakenly interpret the verses as referring to committed, faithful gay partnerships and then opine that its a horrible sin to be gay. Gay Quotes.

-from an article by Dr. Ralph Blair

Referring to Christian debates over slavery and race, Charles Finney, the great 19th century evangelist said:

"Revivals are hindered when ministers and churches take wrong ground in regard to any question involving human rights."

The same reasoning holds true in the Christian debate over homosexuality. Gay Quotes.

"If anyone believes that the experience of [Christian] conversion will take away homosexual desires and lead to a normal attraction toward the opposite sex, then he is mistaken... I have met no single case of a man being set free from them by spiritual measures."

- Dr. Ernest White, an evangelical Christian Psychiatrist. Gay Quotes.

“Christians in the first century used (1) the leading of the Holy Spirit, (2) personal experience, (3) Christian charity and (4) the written scriptures to guide their thinking.

When their traditional interpretation of the Old Testament caused them to reject saved Gentiles as part of the family of God, the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15, listened to the personal experience of Peter, Paul and others who witnessed the Holy Spirit actively blessing saved Gentiles.

This eyewitness testimony was accepted as normative proof and convinced our spiritual ancestors that God loved, saved and affirmed believing Gentiles.

The twenty first century church should exercise the same common sense approach and affirm the personal experience and the evident working of the Holy Spirit in the lives of saved gays and lesbians.

Acts 15 is our relevant Biblical analogy and guide as the church slowly reverses course to embrace and affirm gay and lesbian Christians.”

- Rick Brentlinger, founder of GayChristian101.com Gay Quotes.

“Evangelical Christianity powered every great liberal social reform in American history.”

- New York University historian Jonathan Zimmerman, in The New York Post, October 24, 2005, Gay Quotes.

In the November, 2005 Christianity Today, prolific author Philip Yancey reflects on the fear and anger toward evangelicals among his gay Christian and secular gay friends. Yancy asks:

“What have we evangelicals done to make Good News – the very meaning of the word evangelical - sound like such a threat?” [to gays and lesbians]. Gay Quotes.

"The oppression of the stranger is the basic element of Genesis 19:1-9 [and] ‘sodomy’ in Genesis is basically oppression of the weak and helpless."

- Dr. William Brownlee, Professor of Religion at the Claremont Graduate School and Professor of Old Testament at the School of Theology, Claremont, California, Gay Quotes.

"The issues about homosexuality are very complex and are not understood by most members of the Christian church."

- Bernard Ramm, The American Baptist Seminary of the West, Gay Quotes.

"There is nothing in the Old Testament that corresponds to homosexuality as we understand it today."

- Calvin Theological Seminary Old Testament scholar Marten H. Woudstra

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"There is no text on homosexual orientation in the Bible."

- Southern Methdodist University New Testament scholar Victor Paul Furnish, Gay Quotes.

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"Since Paul offered no direct teaching to his own churches on the subject of homosexual conduct," says Furnish, "his letters certainly cannot yield any specific answers to the questions being faced in the modern church. ... For Paul, neither homosexual practice nor heterosexual promiscuity nor any other specific vice is identified as such with 'sin.' In his view the fundamental sin from which all particular evils derive is idolatry, worshipping what is created rather than the Creator, be that a wooden idol an ideology, a religious system, or some particular moral code."

- Southern Methodist University New Testament scholar Victor Paul Furnish, Gay Quotes.

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"Biblical judgments against homosexuality are not relevant to today's debate. They should no longer be used... not because the Bible is not authoritative but simply because it does not address the issues involved... No single New Testament author considers [homosexuality] important enough to write his own sentence about it."

- Robin Scroggs, Union Seminary:

Dr. Helmut Thielicke

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"Homosexuality... can be discussed at all only in the framework of that freedom which is given to us by the insight that even the New Testament does not provide us with an evident, normative dictum with regard to this question. Even the kind of question which we have arrived at... must for purely historical reasons be alien to the New Testament."

“Paul's conception of homosexuality was one which was affected by the intellectual atmosphere surrounding the struggle with Greek paganism." Gay Quotes.

- Evangelical theologian Helmut Thielicke, 1908-1986, was Professor of Systematic Theology at the University of Hamburg, Gay Quotes.

"So God created man in his own image in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Genesis 1:27

Here God cites His creation of male and female without affirming Complementarity. Writing the account in a way that indicates equality of God's creation was unusual for our ancient forefathers, so unusual as to set the Biblical account apart from other creation accounts. According to Eastern Baptist Seminary professor Douglas J. Miller:

"Crude natural law ideas are... read into... the early chapters of Genesis... This view [supports] the 'physicalist' ethical model upon which heterosexism is built... This view of creation is based upon the obvious anachronism of reading 13th century definitions of nature into ancient Hebrew texts." Gay Quotes.

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Dr. F.F. Bruce

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Those who use Genesis 1:27 against homosexuals should note Paul's statement in Galatians 3:28 in which he is emphatic that there is now no theological significance to the heterosexual pair "male and female." - Evangelical New Testament scholar F.F. Bruce:

"Paul states the basic principle here; if restrictions on it are found elsewhere... they are to be understood in relation to Galatians 3:28, and not vice versa." Gay Quotes.

"Sodom is used as a symbol of evil in dozens of places [in the Bible] but not in a single instance is the sin of the Sodomites specified as homosexuality."

“Men wore veils and long hair as signs of their dedication to the god, while women used the unveiling and shorn hair to indicate their devotion. Men masqueraded as women, and in a rare vase painting from Corinth a woman is dressed in satyr pants equipped with the male organ. Thus she dances before Dionysos, a deity who had been raised as a girl and was himself called male-female and 'sham man...’ the sex exchange that characterized the cults of such great goddesses as Cybele [Aphrodite, Ishtar, Ceres, etc.] the Syrian goddess, and Artemis of Ephesus was more grisly.

Males voluntarily castrated themselves and assumed women's garments. A relief from Rome shows a high priest of Cybele. The castrated priest wears veil, necklaces, earrings and feminine dress. He is considered to have exchanged his sexual identity and to have become a she-priest."

- Heterosexual Evangelical scholar Catherine Kroeger, Adjunct Professor of Classical and Ministry Studies, Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary, writing in the Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society, Gay Quotes.

To discover for ourselves the meaning of arsenokoites, we will now examine the first fifty two usages of the arsenokoit stem in ancient literature. Determining how the word was actually used by our Greek speaking ancestors will show us the actual meaning of the word.

If you’ve bought into the false view promoted by so many anti-gay Christians today, study this interesting page on the historical meaning of malakoi.

Don’t let anyone tell you that the Greek word malakoi always means homosexual. In antiquity, malakoi was rarely, if ever, used to describe homosexuals. Gay Quotes.

Our new book, Gay Christian 101 - Spiritual Self-Defense For Gay Christians, contains more information about the historical meaning of malakoi.

There are four popular analogies which are used to validate Gay Relationships as blessed by God. Click here to examine these four popular analogies. Gay Quotes.

Here is a real-life example of a prominent gay partnership in scripture - the amazing true love story of Jonathan and David is the greatest human love story in the Bible.

Jesus identified the sin of Sodom and it was not homosexuality.

I am saying that the Holiness Code was aimed at Israel, (not at Gentile Christians in the age of grace), in a specific place, the land of Israel, in a specific time period, while Israel was in the land, living under the Law. And what some Christians wrongly interpret as a universal prohibition of all gay relationships is, in reality, a prohibition of shrine prostitution in worship of the Canaanite fertility goddess.

What was a sodomite in the Bible? Was it a homosexual, as many conservative preachers insist or was a sodomite in the Bible always a shrine prostitute who worshipped the Canaanite fertility goddess?

Those who believe that the Centurion’s pais was only a servant and not the same sex partner of the gay Centurion, cite Greek lexicons to prove their case. Since most Biblical Greek lexicons do not mention beloved or same sex lover as possible meanings of pais. most nongay Christians insist same sex lover could not possibly be the meaning of pais, yet consider this startling information.

In Gay Christian 101: Spiritual Self-Defense For Gay Christians, I list 18 possible ways to interpret the Levitical Holiness Code, where it is alleged to deal with homosexuality.

Family Values in the Bible are so different from Traditional family values as taught by Focus On The Family that modern Christians would totally reject the "family values" practiced by Abraham and Sarah, Ruth and Boaz and many of the heroes of faith in the Old Testament.

Did you know that Christians are not required to keep the Old Testament Law to get saved, stay saved or to be in right relationship with God?

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